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[TwilightLink20xx]

^Yeah, that one's the Anime's fault. It's one of the few times that I've wanted to rip their heads off. They come up with some of the best moments for NaruSaku as filler, but they also overdid the abuse in both the original and current anime.

[RyrineaHaruno]

^Yeah, that one's the Anime's fault. It's one of the few times that I've wanted to rip their heads off. They come up with some of the best moments for NaruSaku as filler, but they also overdid the abuse in both the original and current anime.

They really did do the over abuse a little to much .

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 20 May 2009 - 08:23 PM.

[Imogen]

I don't recommend stepping in troll-breeding grounds like NarutoFan... or reading comments of other fans. Naruto pairing wars kill my dwindling faith and hope in the human being.

Every time I poke my head in places like Naruto Fan, Naruto Forums or Youtube, I beat a hasty retreat. EVERY bloody time. I can't stomach so much rudeness, pompous arrogance and blatant disrespect. It's unbelievable how rude can people be over a FICTIONAL PAIRING of a FANTASY TALE.

I have a hard time caring for the opinion of someone starts his/her post with a "Bwahahahaha! What an idiot you are!", and doesn't know what caps and punctuation marks are used for.

-----lol! I definitely have to agree with that comment.

Of course they don't care. They have never cared for Naruto's feelings.

It's very ironical when they tell that Sakura doesn't deserve him because she's very mean with poor Naruto. They talk like if they CARED for Naruto and his feelings.



Me too. I'll take Touch, Kimagure Orange Road, Oh! My Goddes, Maison Ikkoku or Video Girl Ai rather CArd Captor Sakura anytime.

Regarding a possible NaruSaku confession... Confessions are overrated and usually don't work in this manga. Canon relationships (AsuKure, MinaKushi...) in this manga have been mostly hinted. I'd rather a kiss or some scene where it's heavily hinted Naruto and Sakura will end up together. That wouldn't stop the pairing wars, but it'd be nice.

However, don't expect Kishimoto settles that matter before the end of the series, if he ever does.

That's because I'm so skeptical about Hinata's confession raising NaruHina's chances up. NaruHina hasn't been developed in over three hundred chapters. Kishimoto had few chances for developing it, given that Hinata is a secondary character, and he has wasted them systematically (on the other hand, he's wasted some chances for developing NaruSaku, but Sakura is a lead character, shows up a lot and interacts frequently with Naruto, so Kishimoto can afford it). Hinata's confessed too late for developing NaruHina properly, and at the same time, too soon to solve the "Who will Naruto hook up with?" subplot. And there's NOT been a buildup on Naruto's side.

So I don't see him accepting her. I suspect he'll reject her or she'll give up/step aside willingly, and then move on. Or perhaps we won't see so soon a scene where he rejects or reciprocates her feelings because if he rejects her, it'll be obvious who he'll end up with.

Then again, Sasuke turned Sakura down over two hundred fifty chapters ago. It should have been -more- obvious who she'd end up with, and posterior development should have cemented that belief. Still, SasuSaku fans insist on she'll end up with Sasuke.

So maybe Kishimoto shouldn't get worried about giving away the end. Even if Naruto turns Hinata down gently in the next chapter, fans will still believe whatever they want (pretty much like us, I guess).

--- I completely agree. Well said!

It's a typical shounen manga stereotype that the female character punches, berates, ect. the character she's in love with.

Gee, when I read her first appearance (girl appears, main character tells he likes her, girl shouts to him, punches him, and claims hating him, and later she's reconsidering her attitude), I thought: "canon couple". Sincerely, I thought it couldn't be more blatantly obvious.

And then I read the next chapters and I thought the author couldn't make it EVEN MORE obvious.

And then I met fandom.

Anyway, it's right like Ichigo says. It's very tipical in shonen manga and anime. Ranma, Slayers, Dragon Ball, Mazinger-Z, Yu Yu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, City Hunter, Inu-Yasha, Kimagure Orange Road, Yaiba... It'd be easier -and shorter- naming the shonen manga/anime where female lead character and the boy she punches and/or claims loathing DON'T get together.

Nonetheless, I don't understand why you take it seriously. Those punches are comic relief. Naruto is fine in the next panel (you'll realize he doesn't magically heal between pannels when the injuries or the scene where he got injured are serious), and he would abe able to dodge it easily if he wanted.

However I must correct you: you told she still punched Naruto. That is untrue. The last time happened in chapter 298 (one hundred fifty chapters ago). Kishimoto uses that cliche, but he doesn't abuse it and isn't slave to it.

I find tiresome when someone tells Sakura hits Naruto the whole time. She DOESN'T do that, and it wouldn't mean she hates him, not matter what.

Very true. In most animes, films and books the best couples are the ones with tension. It's always more fun and exciting to read or watch the frustrations and denials between characters then sigh with relief once they finally hook up. That, or shout at the screen 'It's about bloody time already!'

maybe they're waiting for the right moment

They probably are. Best stories have suspense! I just hope they do a good job of it if they are and not rush scenes just to get it over with or meet public view. One thing about Manga, they think of every route and carefully plan it all. Gives you a great story but a long wait!

[Sherry]

^Yeah, that one's the Anime's fault. It's one of the few times that I've wanted to rip their heads off. They come up with some of the best moments for NaruSaku as filler, but they also overdid the abuse in both the original and current anime.

yes that's the violence i mean ^^

Nonetheless, I don't understand why you take it seriously. Those punches are comic relief. Naruto is fine in the next panel (you'll realize he doesn't magically heal between pannels when the injuries or the scene where he got injured are serious), and he would abe able to dodge it easily if he wanted.

However I must correct you: you told she still punched Naruto. That is untrue. The last time happened in chapter 298 (one hundred fifty chapters ago). Kishimoto uses that cliche, but he doesn't abuse it and isn't slave to it.

I find tiresome when someone tells Sakura hits Naruto the whole time. She DOESN'T do that, and it wouldn't mean she hates him, not matter what.

sorry, i don't mean that. i just feel a little pain of the punch and thinking 'doesn't that hurt?' and feel pity to naruto whenever sakura punches him...in anime i mean, not in manga.

[Imogen]

After reading a bunch of comments from other Forums on what people thought about the whole love triangles etc, it amused me and disappointed me at the same time. Some idiot even believed that Naruto had given up on Sakura the moment he saw her hug Sasuke in the hospital when he brought Tsunade back!!! Now I know that there are a lot of filler arcs in the anime and many scenes with suggestions of a build up in a relationship with Naruto and Sakura as well as demonstrations of character development with the other characters. Although long winded, i did like to see more action with the other characters and watch them learn new skills and grow up a bit. However, the manga is completely different in that respect and so hints are far more subtle and hard to find, in fact they can easily be interpreted as attraction or friendship depending on how you wish to see them.

Watching the anime and reading the manga it is clear that during the whole of the first part of Naruto he had a huge crush on Sakura but she never reciprocated these feelings and instead focused on Sasuke. When Sakura pleaded to Naruto to bring Sasuke back, she cried because she couldn't stop him, she loved him and poured out her heart and it just wasn't enough. (we all know how that feels!) that was the moment Naruto realised how much she cared for Sasuke and that is when WE noticed that Naruto is in love with her, it is more than just a crush. In fact, it is Naruto's influence and sacrificial tendancies that make Sakura realise just how much stronger she has to become if she wishes to protect him and Sasuke. (in the anime this is extended with an arc where the bond with Sakura and Naruto grows!) In fact, she is shocked to realise the truth about Naruto's feelings herself when he makes his promise of a lifetime and she realises just how much he understood her, better than anyone else. She also tells Kakashi that she believes in Naruto...a massive growing change from when she first met him. When Naruto returns from being beaten by Sasuke, he is apologetic and she tries to play it all down to make him feel better.

So, 3 years later...despite what others argue, Naruto's feelings are the same. At least on 2 occasions Naruto plans for him and Sakura to have a date. Once near the start of Shippuuden, after their fight with Kakashi, and the second in chapter 311, when Naruto is annoyod that Sai is there as he had planned out an excuse for a walk for them to have a 'date'. Naruto has always made clear his emotions yet Sakura hasn't really responded...however, her response warms the more dates are mentioned. She used to reject him, then went on one to talk about Sasuke, then said 'ok so long as you pay' etc etc. As this is a running theme between the two of them, often resulting in comical moments, there is bound to be at least one date which actually goes to plan for poor Naruto!!! (she almost fed him herself, getting right up close, if it wasn't for that stupid Sai!!!) As this was something she begrudingly did in the past, it shows how much she has warmed to his character.

Now people would say her feelings for Sasuke still remain the same...This could be true, or she was rejected and is holding on to false hope. She saddens with his name and was in awe when they first meet him in Shippuuden, oh and she punches Sai for bad mouthing him as well. But nothing more is mentioned about her feelings or suggested. Not even from Ino, who appears to have forgotten her attraction to Sasuke and has focused on Sai!

Anyway, the following is a list of chapters where hints are made about Sakura and Naruto: (WARNING SPOILERS!!!!!)

Chapter 289, page 8: Sakura explains to Sai that Naruto sees Sasuke as a brother. Sai notes that Sakura is very 'gentle' towards Naruto. She clearly shows a deeper understanding of him and the struggles and emotions he goes through.

Chapter 291, page 3: Sakura gets angry and says to Kabuto "you know nothing about Naruto's feelings", she defends Naruto when she could be asking about the wereabouts of Sasuke.

Chapter 296, page 2: Sakura shows anxiety and worry about Naruto after learning the truth about him for the first time. On page 7 she runs to him crying and says 'enough Naruto, I'll save Sasuke for you'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, that is a big deal, not for herself or for him but for Naruto. She doesn't want him to die trying to meet the promise he made to her. She wants him to live! She will put herself out on the line to protect him and bring him his wish, to bring Sasuke back. It may also be that she feels guilty now, knowing the truth and the realisation of how selfish her request was and how serious Naruto is about his promises.

Chapter 297: Sakura says to Yamato 'same as always, I can only do the dumbest of things for Naruto'....not for 'them', as she was previously worried about being weak and unable to protect Naruto and Sasuke, but for Naruto. This supports the scene where Naruto is in bandages when he comes back from fighting Sasuke and Sakura looks at him, battered and bruised but still smiling and willing to fight! It motivates her and upsets her that he put his life on the line and all she did was cry. It makes you wonder then if she became strong because of her love for Sasuke or because of her love for Naruto?

Then there is the important quote that everyone goes on about....Yamato says to Sakura in Chapter 297 "It is not what you DO it's how you FEEL, Sakura I can tell just by looking at you...the truth is..." Very irritating that this is not finished, but then why put it in there if not to tease the reader? There is not other way to interpret that, the continuation would have been 'care deeply for Naruto...Besides, every time Naruto has fought to protect her he has become stronger in some way and determined (the fight with Gaara proves that much) so it would have been easy to say that Narutos feelings for Sakura were important, but no, HER FEELINGS TOWARDS HIM are important...If she showed him she felt the same way, he would become a great deal stronger. Being accepted by people and recognised is all he has ever fought for from the very beginning, and to be accepted by her in such a way, to be loved, wouldn't that be a more powerful bond than the ones he has with Iruda and Sasuke (father and brother)? If they really wanted to they could have put Hinata in this scene, but they didn't!!!

Chapter 298: Sakura is disgusted by the idea of leaving Naruto behind. She isn't worried about chasing Orichimaru or finding Sasuke, she is more concerned for Narutos health. Is she beginning to learn that it may not be worth it all if he dies in the process?

Chapter 299: she lies to him to protect him and not worry him about her injuries...I guess this is something most people would do with someone they care about. But when Yamato tells Naruto the truth he is shocked and worried about the fact he hurt Sakura. And it was her of all people. He could have hurt Yamato or another friend at some point, but it had to be Sakura because she is the one he has the strongest emotions for, the one he has sworn to protect, only proving he still feels for her and has not given up yet!!!!

As for the violence parts, it is in there for comic effect only. They over emphasise the hits to get more of a reaction from the audience, and to demonstrate how much stronger Sakura has become. Sakura has lost her inner self and now speaks her mind. She has better control over her emotions, although Naruto has had to jump in to try and protect Sai on a couple of occasions, receiving damage himself. If not for Naruto and her understanding of him she would not have held back from Sai. Telling Sai herself that in order to find Sasuke she would not hurt him again...Some could see this as her still feeling for Sasuke (well he was her first love so that makes sense, he saved her live a few times so she owes him to, but this was brought about by Naruto saying he would work with even Sai if it meant bringing Sasuke back....again she did it for him not Sasuke).

I think i have made my arguement clear!

Hope you all agree...if there are any more scenes you can think of let me know.

But to conclude with this, i believe Sakura will confess at some point, hopefully before it is too late. Hinatas confession may have triggered something in her, but i get the feeling that they may put in another comic scene and make Sakura lash out, with a hint of jealousy or embarrassment...or she may go quiet and be completely different as she wouldn't want to stand in between Naruto and Hinata, delaying her feelings and going into denial, focusing back on healing people or finding Sasuke, which may hurt Naruto but hopefully someone will point out the truth, like Shikamaru, as he seems to understand people better than they do.

[RyrineaHaruno]

After reading a bunch of comments from other Forums on what people thought about the whole love triangles etc, it amused me and disappointed me at the same time. Some idiot even believed that Naruto had given up on Sakura the moment he saw her hug Sasuke in the hospital when he brought Tsunade back!!! Now I know that there are a lot of filler arcs in the anime and many scenes with suggestions of a build up in a relationship with Naruto and Sakura as well as demonstrations of character development with the other characters. Although long winded, i did like to see more action with the other characters and watch them learn new skills and grow up a bit. However, the manga is completely different in that respect and so hints are far more subtle and hard to find, in fact they can easily be interpreted as attraction or friendship depending on how you wish to see them.

The filler build on the Naruto x Hinata end of the relationship in Part one and two. I mean their were time I thought Naruto x Hinata were going to be canon. I also think the fillers put alot of different parings in as possible.

[Vicious]

The filler build on the Naruto x Hinata end of the relationship in Part one and two. I mean their were time I thought Naruto x Hinata were going to be canon. I also think the fillers put alot of different parings in as possible.

Well of course the filler puts in different pairings, they might lose customers and fans due to a lack of interest otherwise. And... some people agree that Naruto's job doesn't always put him around the same girl all the time. Even though I personally don't care for the fillers.

Edited by Saint Michael, 24 May 2009 - 07:29 AM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Well of course the filler puts in different pairings, they might lose customers and fans due to a lack of interest otherwise. And... some people agree that Naruto's job doesn't always put him around the same girl all the time. Even though I personally don't care for the fillers.

True but I also don't agree with the fillers also I hate them.

[Vicious]

True but I also don't agree with the fillers also I hate them.

I think they do more damage than good.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I think they do more damage than good.

Me too

[Vicious]

Me too

I prefer reruns over filler.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I prefer reruns over filler.

Really I do to.

[Vicious]

Really I do to.

I mean in the old filler (before timeskip) they made Naruto look more of a dumbass then the T.V. already did, seriously they really need to get a new voice actor for him.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I mean in the old filler (before timeskip) they made Naruto look more of a dumbass then the T.V. already did, seriously they really need to get a new voice actor for him.

I know they do the girl voice makes me laugh.

[Cloud]

I know they do the girl voice makes me laugh.

No, no they don't.

Some of the best voice actresses do anime work.

Rurouni Kenshin? Kenshin was voiced by a woman.

Fullmetal Alchemist 2nd Series? Edward is voiced by a woman.

DBZ? Goku voiced by a woman.

Get my point? I don't see why people are some annoyed by Naruto's voice. It's kind of sexist if you always want men to do voiceovers. Plus, her voice catches Naruto's playful tone and if needed, she can lower it and do the serious side.

Because sometimes the tone required is easily achieved by a female and there are more females in the business.

It's for the consistency adult women voices have already finished developing, getting young males to voice their young male counterparts is risky, because there voices will change and they won't be able to pull off the same voice.

Argument closed.

[Sora no Kitsune]

No, no they don't.

Some of the best voice actresses do anime work.

Rurouni Kenshin? Kenshin was voiced by a woman.

Fullmetal Alchemist 2nd Series? Edward is voiced by a woman.

DBZ? Goku voiced by a woman.

Get my point? I don't see why people are some annoyed by Naruto's voice. It's kind of sexist if you always want men to do voiceovers. Plus, her voice catches Naruto's playful tone and if needed, she can lower it and do the serious side.

Well said Cloud.

And as for fillers, they do more harm then good, but you have to understand that no matter what happens in the fillers, it won't make an actual change in the story line without completely altering the original plot and by the time that actually happens, the series will probably be off the air due to lack of viewers, money, ect. Fillers are good in moderation and as long as the plot and writing is decent, i can live with it. alot of the single episode fillers in Part 1 were awesome, such as "Mix it, Stretch it, Boil it Up! Burn Copper Pot, Burn!" "Laughing Shino" "Please, Mr. Postman!" and "A Legend from the Hidden Leaf: The Onbaa!". These were hilarious fillers that i loved watching. If they would maqke more fillers in Shippuden like these rather than long, annoying arcs such as the one we are currently in.

[RyrineaHaruno]

No, no they don't.

Some of the best voice actresses do anime work.

Rurouni Kenshin? Kenshin was voiced by a woman.

Fullmetal Alchemist 2nd Series? Edward is voiced by a woman.

DBZ? Goku voiced by a woman.

Get my point? I don't see why people are some annoyed by Naruto's voice. It's kind of sexist if you always want men to do voiceovers. Plus, her voice catches Naruto's playful tone and if needed, she can lower it and do the serious side.





Argument closed.

I am a girl I just said it made me laugh. I don't care that the actor is a woman. I just think Naruto need a better voices to fit his character. Imo I didn't mean to offend anyone with that statement. I am the lest sexist person out their I think woman deserve rights just like man do

Oh and Ed Is voice by a man named Vic Mignona. Envy is the one voiced by a woman. I am not sure about Goku.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 24 May 2009 - 09:52 PM.

[True]

You know this is The Great NARUSAKU Debate thread, not The Great NARUTO FILLERS Debate thread. Keep on topic please.

[Cloud]

I am a girl I just said it made me laugh. I don't care that the actor is a woman. I just think Naruto need a better voices to fit his character. Imo I didn't mean to offend anyone with that statement. I am the lest sexist person out their I think woman deserve rights just like man do

Oh and Ed Is voice by a man named Vic Mignona. Envy is the one voiced by a woman. I am not sure about Goku.

I hate to burst your bubble, but like I said... Naruto's voice is perfect.

Vic voices Edward in the DUB. I watch the regular Japanese version, so he's voiced by a woman.

Argument ended.

Back on topic.

Edited by Cloud, 24 May 2009 - 09:55 PM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I hate to burst your bubble, but like I said... Naruto's voice is perfect.

Vic voices Edward in the DUB. I watch the regular Japanese version, so he's voiced by a woman.

Oh sorry had a tobi moment didn't know what you meant sorry.
Oh and sorry True for getting off topic

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 24 May 2009 - 09:58 PM.