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[sushi.]

Sakura looks beautiful there.

[Zatheko]

Well i dont think Naruto's love has the deepest meaning, he fell in love with her but paying attention to that it's just another one of  the things that happened on his life that was determined, just like rasengan, his desire to be a hokage, acknowledgement and etc...
It's not a coincidence that he loves Sakura but rather something predetermined.
Even how he feels attracted to her, why he loves her and so on.. it's just another stuff that was stated not by him but by his parents and the parallels.

About the whole Naruto "selfless" love i dont buy this, he tries to hide it but it's clearly that he gets hurt because of that, this whoel willing to sacrifice himself is just part of his character but he cant hide how hurt he would get if he doesnt end up with Sakura, he put a fake smile just to hide it from her, what he does is hiding his feelings from Sakura, and try to not bother with that but it's proven so many times on the manga that he gets hurt because of that recently, we had Sakura's confession and going a bit behind we also saw when the ninjas tells him that Sasuke joined Akatsuki.

That is exactly what makes it selfless love, the fact that he is willing to live with the pain it would bring to let her have her happiness. I am glad it is like that because of Naruto didn't feel anything form her being with Sasuke than that would mean he was never truly in love with her to begin with.

[StriderC]

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You should change Naruto's eyes, they look like a ((((. If you know what I mean XD

Should I do the one brow up expression or the "Rock brow" with him looking straight at the viewer? LMAO! 

[Zatheko]

LOL i have to keep it age appropriate. The loose straps are as far as I'm gonna go. 

I like the loose straps 

 

All in all though it looks awesome, I wish I knew how to draw lol

[StriderC]

Sakura looks beautiful there.

I draw her so much that it's pretty much easy to make her look great. I was thinking about having her on top but then she wouldn't be upside down. LOL 

 

Zatheko

 

You should post something. And I'm glad you like it! Also, Sushi, I thought I was supposed to be seeing one of your works?? 

Edited by StriderC, 30 May 2013 - 10:39 PM.

[sushi.]

Should I do the one brow up expression or the "Rock brow" with him looking straight at the viewer? LMAO! 

1. Smirky eyes

2. Just..closed eyes but less round.

 

 

 

I draw her so much that it's pretty much easy to make her look great. I was thinking about having her on top but then she wouldn't be upside down. LOL 

 

Zatheko

 

You should post something. And I'm glad you like it! Also, Sushi, I thought I was supposed to be seeing one of your works?? 

lol I have been doing stuff fine, but I am picky and a perfectionist so I'm never satisfied. XD

Edited by sushi., 30 May 2013 - 10:40 PM.

[StriderC]

1. Smirky eyes

2. Just..closed eyes but less round.

LOL I gotta look at some panels with Naruto in them before I attempt to draw it again. Hopefully it doesn't take long to find him without his headband and the grin should be no problem.

[Zatheko]

I draw her so much that it's pretty much easy to make her look great. I was thinking about having her on top but then she wouldn't be upside down. LOL 

 

Zatheko

 

You should post something. And I'm glad you like it! Also, Sushi, I thought I was supposed to be seeing one of your works?? 

LOL no no, I am terrible at it, best I can do is stick figures   

 

I will just stick with admiring your work and others as well   

[Quinny52]

Oust, a little tweak here and there on Naruto's face but other than, the pic is a win for me. 

 

Lookin' forward to the message.

 

While the oppositions attempt to shoot down or otherwise undermine the attention our pairing has been getting, can some people on here just tone down on the whole posting of opposition comments? All I'm saying is the attention we get from the mods can be very unneccesary and/or could be avoided. 

Edited by Quinny52, 30 May 2013 - 10:44 PM.

[StriderC]

1. Smirky eyes

2. Just..closed eyes but less round.

 

 

 

lol I have been doing stuff fine, but I am picky and a perfectionist so I'm never satisfied. XD

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....Last time it sounded like you were near completion with your last project. I wants to see ittttttttt.    I can understand the perfectionist comment and I'm rarely satisfied. I also can never work on one project too long. I get bored of it and end up switching. 

 

Zatheko

 

Bummer! I was gonna take a request from you if you did and complete it when I got the time.   

[StriderC]

Oust, a little tweak here and there on Naruto's face but other than, the pic is a win for me. 

 

Lookin' forward to the message.

 

While the oppositions attempt to shoot down or otherwise undermine the attention our pairing has been getting, can some people on here just tone down on the whole posting of opposition comments? All I'm saying is the attention we get from the mods can be very unneccesary and/or could be avoided. 

Yeah yeah! I'm gonna tweak it on the next take for sure.  

 

I'm on the fence of what the message should be. I was thinking about posting something like. "U MAD HATERS?" 

 

And have you worked on the drawing a bit more? 

[SkiesEagle]

Nice drawing, StriderC! I can't wait you draw more of those different. Lol

[YukiNozomi212]

Pain was dead already. Madara is not young. Obito is the only one to make this false. Then again, it is hard to say because right now, it's one way to make one of them red herring. You guys seem to be too relax that Sasuke is good all the way, which is ok, but I don't know. I would have been fine if the possible hint didn't happen in this chapter. Plus, I feel like Naruto remembering what toad said could come back when the time is needed. It didn't happen to Obito but again, I could be wrong.

 

 

Not me. I knew the second Sasuke oh-so claims to "protect the village", I didn't fall for it for a split second. I knew something was up, which explained my unfazed, unswayed and impassive demeanor/reaction to the whole scenario. In addition to that, I predicted he would want to be Hokage--which makes perfect sense to what he thinks of Itachi, to the Hokages stating he [itachi] was a perfect fit for the position and all he's sacrificed for the village--AND it would set up for a perfect plot twist to the manga's conclusion that I came up with back in that same chapter:

 

It's obvious from all the previous Hokages that they've failed at some point, right? but did it ever occur to you why?

it's because just how it was reinforced by the zombie kages, all of them had to rule on their own, ALONE. there's a reason why most kingdoms have a king AND queen ruling simultaneously. The burden of the responsibility for an entire nation would be greatly eased if it's divided onto two pairs of shoulders, provides a much more effective way of ruling by consulting one another's perspectives respectively, offers a wider range of points of views and how and which course to take (like opposite but reasonable views), gains more understanding of situations, compromises to beneficial resolves, etc. You get the point.

This flaw of having one ruler--aka having one point of view--to handle an entire nation has been shown with Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, and Danzou--Minato died too young to significantly affect anything from Hiruzen's era, unfortunately.   (the Daimyos don't really count, since they don't exactly contribute anything efficient, productive or to beneficially change the nations for the better other than pampering themselves to death )

 

-Hashirama was too trusting, too lenient and naïve where he needed someone tougher to straighten him up and keep his head practical, cautious and firm--and that would be none other than Madara himself. Just imagine them ruling side by side exactly as Hashirama originally intended. none of this chaos would've happened, and they would've ruled in peace and perfect balance.

(again, I really blame Tobirama for most of today's problems: Edo Tensei, Uchiha racism, kicking Madara to the curb, etc. I swear, he is the biggest kitten in this entire series.  ...aside from Drama-queen-Sasuke, of course.)

 

But Tobirama had the same problem as his brother and the succeeding Hokages: he was too military based, up to the point where he lost most of his compassion. he needed someone to balance that for him.

 

Hirzen and Danzou had exactly the same situation as Tobirama. Hiruzen was too compassionate, while Danzou was the military one--if it weren't for the latter secretly dealing with Hiruzen's political dirty work for him in the shadows, the former wouldn't have lasted as long in his reign as he did.

 

From here I found my answer to Jiraiya's, Nagato's, Hashirama's and Naruto's quest for peace. the answer is simple: Balance and compromise.

 

Kishimoto said it himself that Sasuke and Naruto were based on Yin and Yang, right? Sasuke is obviously Yin and Naruto Yang. Multiple times has the Chinese philosophy reinforced that true peace could be attained with BALANCE. A share of both dark and light, any of the two getting more than it should would tilt the scales to chaos. it also provides new lengths of perspective--and therefore, more understanding and empathy (which are also key elements to peace).

 

There's a good reason on why Kishimoto built Madara and Hashirama's characters around Sasuke and Naruto, to the point where they're inevitable parallels. It's his way of showing on the latter's "what if" or "could have been" if they ever reached those points in their lives. Hashirama represents Naruto in a way if he ever does become Hokage--since their personalities and ideals are extremely similar--and how he would fail in the same foot steps as his predecessor. Same goes for Sasuke and Madara. (this theory can also be applied to ObiRin, and show how Naruto could be as a villain if Sakura were to die)

 

Naruto would fail just as Hashirama did, and Sasuke would be--or already is--where Madara is currently standing. The solution to this would bring us joining the two halves of Yin and Yang to form a full circle. Hence, Sasuke balancing out what Naruto will lack, and Naruto vice versa by kicking out some of his darkness but keeping the more practical, wary side.

 

The obvious plot twist Kishimoto can pull out of this would be instead of having the traditional number of ONE ruler, BOTH Sasuke and Naruto would win the Hokage seat--having TWO rulers simultaneously balancing each other out for the first time in Shinobi history.

With this method, new bonds of understanding, compassion and fairness would form and thus forming a peace the likes of shinobi has never witnessed before--AND IT WOULD ALL MAKE PERFECT SENSE! it'll serve as an amazing plot element as a twist to the story as well as make the flow of the story logical and untainted.

 

That's why I'm not even slightly surprised by Sasuke's sudden "Hokage" claim. In fact, I expected it.

 

Now I know what you're all thinking--this is WAY too out there and is likely not gonna happen. But *shrugs* you'll never know. Kishi DOES love shocking us with all these plot twists.  Plus, I HATE the fact sasuke might be redeemed to the point of being Hokage without any severe consequences, but there you have it. This is where the story is heading, in my eyes.     Not a fan, but... meh... it is what it is.     

I much preferred it if he would stay as a wanderer.

[KnS]

The thing is that naruto himself told sakura that he believes shes lying about her feelings for him and still believs that she loves sasuke, but now suddenly he is dead serious about her beeing his girlfriend. That simply doesnt fit.

The only possibility i see about the scene is like KnS posted, that he just isnt really sure whats going on between him and her right now, so he says "yeah thats more or less it".

 

When I go back and reread Sakura's confession, Naruto's reaction and the progression he goes through is worth reviewing now that we can see it light of the latest chapters.

It's my personal opinion that before the confession, Naruto didn't believe he had any real shot at Sakura.  I do think he held out hope, because it's his nature to prove himself and not give up, but because he loved Sakura so much he was resigned to bringing Sasuke to her feet and accepting that in doing so he might very well never win her heart himself.  

Whatever chance he thought he had, it's pretty obvious he didn't feel he deserved it UNLESS he fulfilled his promise and brought Sasuke back for her.  So he was running a big risk because, after all, he thinks the sun rises and sets by Sakura so why would he ever dream that Sasuke would reject her if Sasuke was in his right mind?

That was Naruto's mindset when she confessed:  Sakura loved Sasuke only and held no similar feelings for him, and she would never change or give up on that love because Naruto doesn't think that way.

But thanks to Sakura's determination and Sai's clarification, I think Naruto walked away from her confession with the belief that even if Sakura wasn't 100% in love with him and/or 100% out of love with Sasuke, he was at least in the game -- and with a better chance of success than he'd imagined.

So yes, I do think Naruto is "dead serious" about Sakura being his girlfriend, but he is aware that it's not a done deal.  When Minato asked him, Naruto finally made the choice to publicly admit his desires and intentions regarding Sakura -- something he had been unwilling to do before.  

That was the point of the scene, I think.  That Sakura's confession made Naruto realize he had a chance, and that plus what I said before -- that Sakura said she loved him, asked him to refuse her if he didn't feel the same way and he didn't deny it -- left them at an uncertain boyfriend/girlfriend status.

Naruto being Naruto, now that the door is open and he believes he could win her heart?  I think we're going to see him be a lot more obvious, determined, and unwilling to be sidelined from here on.

 

Just my opinion.
 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Hmm.  I see it a little differently.  Consider:

+ Sakura tromps out to the snowy Land of Iron and tells Naruto she loves him in front of Kakashi-sensei, Yamato-taicho, and several of their friends.

+ The look on Naruto's face clearly proves that those are the words he's been waiting to hear from her.

+ Nevertheless, Naruto begins to distrust and question Sakura.  He tells her that joking about something like her feelings for him isn't funny.

+ Naruto tells Sakura very seriously that he hates people who lie to themselves.

+ Sakura responds by getting angry.  She is indignant that Naruto dares to say she doesn't know her own mind or how she feels.  She tells him to quit trying to twist things around, and that if he doesn't like her / love her / want her / feel the same way then he should just say so.

+ Naruto does not deny his feelings for her.  He simply questions again why she would bring it all up at that moment.

+ Sakura leaves, and Sai goes on to give a better explanation of her actions.  He also confirms that Sakura's actions were for Naruto's sake.

The bottom line is, Sakura said she loved Naruto and when she essentially asked him to refuse her if he didn't feel the same way, he didn't.  

So even though both Naruto and Sakura (and the witnesses, for that matter) know it's not that simple, and that the issue of her feelings for Sasuke have not been 100% resolved, and Naruto was not satisfied that she chose him willingly and for the right reasons, that's how it was left -- that they were "more or less" boyfriend and girlfriend because neither denied it.

 

That's why Naruto answered his father the way he did.  He stumbled with the answer because it's basically true -- because of Sakura's confession and Naruto's desire + his lack of refusal -- but it's not clearly resolved.  Kishimoto used Minato to ask the question as a way of letting readers know where Naruto stands. 

Wonderfully said.

 

I have no doubts the the Great Toad Sage was refering to Sasuke in his reading to Naruto, and no one else. My opinin, though, is that the old toad was going to say what it was this 'young man' and Naruto would be battling for before the latter interupted him. I'm sure now the sage was going to say the battle would decide who would become Hokage, and thus determine the fate of Konoha (and by extension the Naruverse as a whole).

 

I'm not sold on Sasuke's 'redemption' at all, his comments in these last two chapters are evidence enough. Add Juugo's cryptic thoughts to the mix, and I think we can expect tensions to boil over once the dust settles and the common foe is removed from this equation. I've said it before, Sasuke's past crimes (and not just in Konoha, he's wanted DoA everywhere now) and his attitude to his peer's objections to his proclamation  all but gurantee he'll never become Hokage by mean of democratic vote.  Therefore, there's really only one option open to him... hostile takeover.

Well, according to Rikudo, he said boy, so that must mean Sasuke. You know, Kishi clearly did this on purpose to hide the other information such as saying like this, "You'll meet an octopus. Then you'll fight many undead, whom you have never fought before. Then, the masked man will stand before you and fight against you. Then a returning evil battles you. Etc." Otherwise, he would spoil the whole fun. That all said now we have Sasuke in the battlefield and the prediction from the elder is questionable because exactly where will it happen or rather, under what circumstance.

 

Sasuke wants to be Hokage, ok fine, but his past actions are really hard to erase. What's worse is that he doesn't care what they think, so long he becomes one and that's what his desire to do to fix the wrong, even if it has to do it by force. Ironically he's acting like Danzou, whom he hated because of Itachi's sacrifice. Shikamaru, being the smart one (go figure), said it best for many of us, you might as well have him around to back you up in this very tough situation, but don't acknowledge him because of this. When the people got hyped, Juugo wonders what is Sasuke thinking at this point, because it feels like he's either in this or not, which oddly enough, he's with Team 7 to go to the core of the body.

 

Again, this feels too easy as well, not to mention Sakura is now really strong, so this is somewhat piece of cake to go to Juubi. It reminded me that anime where the old enemy finally became good, only to backstab in the final episode. The question is, is Kishi really going to do this? I got no clue. Orochimaru is not there, which is odd, but the 50/50 comes in with trying to help Kage or find Yamato. You know what's also interesting about the predication from the elder. Great power from his eyes. Yeah, but exactly, what eyes? It seems like Kishi don't mind the update of a character that can be permanent. Granted I don't know if the seal Sakura has is permanent on her head, but Sasuke could get Rinnengan. Not sure how, but you never know. Naruto is close to being unstoppable so whatever case may be, it needs to be equal.

 

That all said well I'm mixed if I want Sasuke to go to that route or not. On one hand, it makes the struggle within stronger and to me, I like when the protagonist and others go through one final struggle before ultimately win it. I mean look at MGS4, that vent scene was a strong scene because everyone was about to die and Snake kept going through hell before ultimately wins it. I know people may think I'm cruel, but wouldn't you want a last hurdle before the epic finale. I sure do. On the other hand, man, that would be a kittenish thing for Sasuke to do, after being with Team 7 and all. So we'll see. I don't know what's in store but I do hope for something good.

[StriderC]

 

When I go back and reread Sakura's confession, Naruto's reaction and the progression he goes through is worth reviewing now that we can see it light of the latest chapters.

It's my personal opinion that before the confession, Naruto didn't believe he had any real shot at Sakura.  I do think he held out hope, because it's his nature to prove himself and not give up, but because he loved Sakura so much he was resigned to bringing Sasuke to her feet and accepting that in doing so he might very well never win her heart himself.  

Whatever chance he thought he had, it's pretty obvious he didn't feel he deserved it UNLESS he fulfilled his promise and brought Sasuke back for her.  So he was running a big risk because, after all, he thinks the sun rises and sets by Sakura so why would he ever dream that Sasuke would reject her if Sasuke was in his right mind?

That was Naruto's mindset when she confessed:  Sakura loved Sasuke only and held no similar feelings for him, and she would never change or give up on that love because Naruto doesn't think that way.

But thanks to Sakura's determination and Sai's clarification, I think Naruto walked away from her confession with the belief that even if Sakura wasn't 100% in love with him and/or 100% out of love with Sasuke, he was at least in the game -- and with a better chance of success than he'd imagined.

So yes, I do think Naruto is "dead serious" about Sakura being his girlfriend, but he is aware that it's not a done deal.  When Minato asked him, Naruto finally made the choice to publicly admit his desires and intentions regarding Sakura -- something he had been unwilling to do before.  

That was the point of the scene, I think.  That Sakura's confession made Naruto realize he had a chance, and that plus what I said before -- that Sakura said she loved him, asked him to refuse her if he didn't feel the same way and he didn't deny it -- left them at an uncertain boyfriend/girlfriend status.

Naruto being Naruto, now that the door is open and he believes he could win her heart?  I think we're going to see him be a lot more obvious, determined, and unwilling to be sidelined from here on.

 

Just my opinion.
 

Weren't you the one who made that awesome post about why Naruto didn't accept her feelings sometime ago? I think it was you. Too bad it's lost somewhere on the site because I sure as hell ain't going to look for it. LOL 

 

Oh, and I started "IT" earlier today.  Was gonna spoil but after that comment you made, I shall pass.       LOL

 

Ashes!

 

Thanks! Glad you like it, and look forward to more! I'm gonna start doing more NS pics when I get the chance.  

[KnS]

Weren't you the one who made that awesome post about why Naruto didn't accept her feelings sometime ago? I think it was you. Too bad it's lost somewhere on the site because I sure as hell ain't going to look for it. LOL 

 

Oh, and I started "IT" earlier today.  Was gonna spoil but after that comment you made, I shall pass.       LOL

 

Well, I made a post about it, but I don't know if it was "that awesome post" or not.  But yes, that's what I'm referring to here as well.  It's the same thing, just from a different angle.  Why, did you think I contradicted myself?

 

I was going to comment on your art.  It's lovely, truly, but... it doesn't look like Gaara... 

[StriderC]

 

Well, I made a post about it, but I don't know if it was "that awesome post" or not.  But yes, that's what I'm referring to here as well.  It's the same thing, just from a different angle.  Why, did you think I contradicted myself?

 

I was going to comment on your art.  It's lovely, truly, but... it doesn't look like Gaara... 

If you're relating it to that potential post then I think you likely did. You said something a little different then. Wish I remember what it said. 

 

LOL Of course it doesn't.    I did the mirror shot first. So far so good though, and I KNOW you're gonna love it.  I'm that confident. 

[Nath0man]

Wow. I went onto a NH forum and replied to someone. Granted it was a pro-NaruSaku post. I then got infracted for "trolling" and the mods changed my name to "Naruto's butt"... It doesn't even say anywhere on the rules that you can't support NaruSaku. One of the rules is actually; Accept each other's viewpoints.

 

Ehh, Guess I had it coming.

Edited by nath0man, 30 May 2013 - 11:33 PM.

[StriderC]

LOL You should just avoid the NH fansites/forums.