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[luffyq1]

Burrito the plumber. 

fixing part 2 one chapter at a time.

[rocci]

@nar123
Chasing sasuke stop at kage summit arc.
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[Gaara's hair]

fixing part 2 one chapter at a time.

Burrito sets out on a journey with his trusty wrench to fix past mistakes. One chapter at a time.

[luffyq1]

You're free to join the NB and NF forums if you wish. I expect their reception to Kishi's blatant cash grab will be favourable compared to the sentiments here on H&E.

and here i thought you were interested in part 3 just as i am.

 

i kinda feel betrayed.

[Nar123]

@nar123
Chasing sasuke stop at kage summit arc.
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Not actually, there are three arcs in part 2 were they actively chase Sasuke, the Itachi one (because Kishi had to found something for Naruto to do that would relate to Sasuke since he was the MC for this arc) and the Sai/Sasuke one ( an arc that was actually good), and then  Kage Summit, which was the worst because it degraded all Team 7 

 

The chasing Sasuke plot point isn't exactly bad, its just kishi or his editors who didn't know how to work with it past Sai-Sasuke arc. Giving so much focus to the Sasuke-Naruto duality and neglecting good side characters estabilished in part 1 ( with the exception fo Shikamaru) felt bad in hindsight. 

 

However my point still stands, part 2 just really got bad during the disaster known as "war arc" which is coincidentally an arc that doesn't focus on chasing Sasuke.

 

Part 3 will be bad because its not a fresh start, its a continuation of an already bad series, unless they retcon everything it won't be a fresh start

Edited by Nar123, 03 April 2015 - 02:00 AM.

[Nostradamus]

it's going to be better than part 2 that's for sure, since the plot won't be about chasing sasuke.

Not exactly. It's going to be a love story between burrito and the salad while they chase after the sauce together.

And in the end it's going to end with a threesome that will give birth to a new recipe. La sauce de burrito et salade.

Edited by Nostradamus, 03 April 2015 - 02:05 AM.

[WhyDoIWatch]

Literally every Jinchuriki that ever existed, minus maybe Kushina. Hashirama had the same exact past as Madara, yet he had to kill his best friend and take that to the grave, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Kakashi, Obito, are all people you could argue for. Part of Madara's past was made sad by him, the only real thing that is sad about his past is outliving his brothers. Everything else from that point on, he chose to put in himself.

I agree the Jinchuriki had sad lives. Hashirama's life would be sadder than Madara if his brother also died. Jiraya didn't have a sad life and while Tsunade's sucks all the sad stories have someone losing a loved one so its not really special. Obito ugh, that guy didn't have a sad backstory at all. Kakashi's life really sucked probably second or thrid in terms of backstory, he also stayed an awesome person which I greatly respect.

 

Bolded- Agreed but at least he wanted peace, he just felt it couldn't be achieved in Reality......

[WhyDoIWatch]

 

Not actually, there are three arcs in part 2 were they actively chase Sasuke, the Itachi one (because Kishi had to found something for Naruto to do that would relate to Sasuke since he was the MC for this arc) and the Sai/Sasuke one ( an arc that was actually good), and then  Kage Summit, which was the worst because it degraded all Team 7 

 

The chasing Sasuke plot point isn't exactly bad, its just kishi or his editors who didn't know how to work with it past Sai-Sasuke arc. Giving so much focus to the Sasuke-Naruto duality and neglecting good side characters estabilished in part 1 ( with the exception fo Shikamaru) felt bad in hindsight. 

 

However my point still stands, part 2 just really got bad during the disaster known as "war arc" which is coincidentally an arc that doesn't focus on chasing Sasuke.

 

Part 3 will be bad because its not a fresh start, its a continuation of an already bad series, unless they retcon everything it won't be a fresh start

I think the Kage Summit arc only degraded Sakura's character not anyone else, why do you say this? 

[RyohkiFan]

Luffy...you made me lose my laugh

[Nar123]

I think the Kage Summit arc only degraded Sakura's character not anyone else, why do you say this? 

 

Let's see

 

-Naruto was portrayed as a wimp

-Sasuke was portrayed as a deranged psycho 

 

Now see, there really is no problem in Naruto being portrayed like that but kishi exaggerated on the drama, it made his MC look pathetic. He could have passed the same feelings with toned down scenes, I know me and a couple of my friends felt irritated with how he was portrayed there, it was such a downgrade from the evolution of his character during the Pein arc, some of my friends even dropped Naruto permanently

 

There is also no problem in Sasuke being a deranged psycho, it's just that it had 0 follow up afterwards, at one moment he is crazy and kitten and at the other he coincidentally sees his brother, receives a pep talk and goes back to how he was before KS arc? It was anti-climatic and made little sense. It seems like Kishi didn't know where to take Sasuke character  and this is probably true.

Edited by Nar123, 03 April 2015 - 02:11 AM.

[Decius23]

 

 

And funnily enough part 2 worst moments were during the war when the plot wasn't about chasing Sasuke

 

 

 

Not actually, there are three arcs in part 2 were they actively chase Sasuke, the Itachi one (because Kishi had to found something for Naruto to do that would relate to Sasuke since he was the MC for this arc) and the Sai/Sasuke one ( an arc that was actually good), and then  Kage Summit, which was the worst because it degraded all Team 7 

 

The chasing Sasuke plot point isn't exactly bad, its just kishi or his editors who didn't know how to work with it past Sai-Sasuke arc. Giving so much focus to the Sasuke-Naruto duality and neglecting good side characters estabilished in part 1 ( with the exception fo Shikamaru) felt bad in hindsight. 

 

However my point still stands, part 2 just really got bad during the disaster known as "war arc" which is coincidentally an arc that doesn't focus on chasing Sasuke.

 Well, just as the worst moments, the best Part 2 moments were those not involving Sasuke, too. Namely the pain arc.

 

In fact i'll stand by my point that the worst decision Kishimoto (or whoever decided the direction of the manga) could do, was the promise of a lifetime and the issue of 'bringing Sasuke back'. The other bad part was the introduction of the prophecy and the theme of creating peace.

Naruto, as a manga, should've stayed with the premise of the beginning. A boy who wants to be Hokage, first out of the desire to be acknowledged only to grow up and change his outlook on the whole matter. A healthy dose of realism (politics, psychology of war and humans, genetics in regards to bloodlines, etc.) and we've had an excellent manga.

[Gaara's hair]

Luffy...you made me lose my laugh

*GASP* Here

[Pix]

Not exactly. It's going to be a love story between burrito and the salad while they chase after the sauce together.

And in the end it's going to end with a threesome that will give birth to a new recipe. La sauce de burrito et salade.

You've been exiled from H&E goodbye.

[Nar123]

 

 Well, just as the worst moments, the best Part 2 moments were those not involving Sasuke, too. Namely the pain arc.

 

In fact i'll stand by my point that the worst decision Kishimoto (or whoever decided the direction of the manga) could do, was the promise of a lifetime and the issue of 'bringing Sasuke back'. The other bad part was the introduction of the prophecy and the theme of creating peace.

Naruto, as a manga, should've stayed with the premise of the beginning. A boy who wants to be Hokage, first out of the desire to be acknowledged only to grow up and change his outlook on the whole matter. A healthy dose of realism (politics, psychology of war and humans, genetics in regards to bloodlines, etc.) and we've had an excellent manga.

As must as Iiked Pein arc it had a horrible ending with the mas ressurection thing 

 

 

I believe the "bringing Sasuke back" storyline could have been saved if we had a competent writer handling this series. As I said it just turned bad after Sai-Sasuke arc. Things focused too much on Sasuke-Naruto and amazing side characters (besides Shikamaru) were left out, storylines felt contrived and distorted though things were still enjoyable in some manner, I think things just really went to kitten after KS arc

 

 

But I agree with you, considering Kishimoto's weak creativity and writing it would be better if he stuck with a simple plot such as what you said. 

Edited by Nar123, 03 April 2015 - 02:17 AM.

[luffyq1]

Luffy...you made me lose my laugh

[WhyDoIWatch]

 

Let's see

 

-Naruto was portrayed as a wimp

-Sasuke was portrayed as a deranged psycho 

 

Now see, there really is no problem in Naruto being portrayed like that but kishi exaggerated on the drama, it made his MC look pathetic. He could have passed the same feelings with toned down scenes, I know me and a couple of my friends felt irritated with how he was portrayed there, it was such a downgrade from the evolution of his character during the Pein arc, some of my friends even dropped Naruto permanently

 

There is also no problem in Sasuke being a deranged psycho, it's just that it had 0 follow up afterwards, at one moment he is crazy and kitten and at the other he coincidentally sees his brother, receives a pep talk and goes back to how he was before KS arc? It was anti-climatic and made little sense. It seems like Kishi didn't know where to take Sasuke character  and this is probably true.

LOL, The fainting scene with Naruto was the funniest in the series XD.

 

Its clear Kishi had no idea what to do with Sasuke, he gave him a unrealistic goal so Naruto could look good and have a reason to chase him. Later instead of going with it, he wanted Sasuke to live so he made Sasuke "good" again because it would be pretty hard to redeem him if he killed people, which is why he only killed Zetsus....

 

 

 Well, just as the worst moments, the best Part 2 moments were those not involving Sasuke, too. Namely the pain arc.

 

In fact i'll stand by my point that the worst decision Kishimoto (or whoever decided the direction of the manga) could do, was the promise of a lifetime and the issue of 'bringing Sasuke back'. The other bad part was the introduction of the prophecy and the theme of creating peace.

Naruto, as a manga, should've stayed with the premise of the beginning. A boy who wants to be Hokage, first out of the desire to be acknowledged only to grow up and change his outlook on the whole matter. A healthy dose of realism (politics, psychology of war and humans, genetics in regards to bloodlines, etc.) and we've had an excellent manga.

Ewwww, Pain Arc.

 

The worst decision Kishi made was Obito followed by the Mass Resurrection at the en of the Pain Arc (Which made the Arc medicore). 

I think people exaggerate the Sasuke thing by Naruto, we just had two arcs about him and a "few" moments of Naruto being sad about it.

 

Bolded- Agreed, its like Kishi forgot the World he built had more than one clan and one village, though it bore me about Naruto's hokage goal cause it was predictable he was going to become Hokage IDK.....

Edited by WhyDoIWatch, 03 April 2015 - 02:28 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I see no translations on Sakura Hidden of yet.

 

About the doujin, I don't know if they've heard of it...but if someone translate it and put in on pixiv Iguess they could see it just like ladygt doujins !

 

That would be great. I would ove to see fans on 2chan tear Kishi's spin off with April 3rd. ts going to be hilarious.

[Shadow1275]

Literally every Jinchuriki that ever existed, minus maybe Kushina. Hashirama had the same exact past as Madara, yet he had to kill his best friend and take that to the grave, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Kakashi, Obito, are all people you could argue for. Part of Madara's past was made sad by him, the only real thing that is sad about his past is outliving his brothers. Everything else from that point on, he chose to put in himself.

 

 

 

Let's see

 

-Naruto was portrayed as a wimp

-Sasuke was portrayed as a deranged psycho 

 

Now see, there really is no problem in Naruto being portrayed like that but kishi exaggerated on the drama, it made his MC look pathetic. He could have passed the same feelings with toned down scenes, I know me and a couple of my friends felt irritated with how he was portrayed there, it was such a downgrade from the evolution of his character during the Pein arc, some of my friends even dropped Naruto permanently

 

There is also no problem in Sasuke being a deranged psycho, it's just that it had 0 follow up afterwards, at one moment he is crazy and kitten and at the other he coincidentally sees his brother, receives a pep talk and goes back to how he was before KS arc? It was anti-climatic and made little sense. It seems like Kishi didn't know where to take Sasuke character  and this is probably true.

Can we give the guy a breather for a sec? It seems like every time I visit this thread its like 5 guys on one.

[Nar123]

LOL, The fainting scene with Naruto was the funniest in the series XD.

 

Its clear Kishi had no idea what to do with Sasuke, he gave him a unrealistic goal so Naruto could look good and have a reason to chase him. Later instead of going with it, he wanted Sasuke to live so he made Sasuke "good" again because it would be pretty hard to redeem him if he killed people, which is why he only killed Zetsus....

 

Ewwww, Pain Arc.

 

The worst decision Kishi made was Obito followed by the Mass Resurrection at the en of the Pain Arc (Which made the Arc medicore). 

I think people exaggerate the Sasuke thing by Naruto, we just had two arcs about him and a "few" moments of Naruto being sad about it.

 

Bolded- Agreed, its like Kishi forgot the World he built had more than one clan and one village, though it bore me about Naruto's hokage goal cause it was predictable he was going to become Hokage IDK.....

 

Yeah the fainting scene was funny...in a bad way tho

 

I agree with you, Sasuke's lack of direction was clear. Kishi's made him a deranged psycho but got afraid of making him go full villain, however if he was a good writer he could pull Sasuke redemption off even if he went full villain and make it feel authentic

 

I pretty much agree with the rest of your post too

 

 

 

 

I see no translations on Sakura Hidden of yet.

 

 

 

Reddit has some chapters translated

[Nar123]

 

 

Can we give the guy a breather for a sec? It seems like every time I visit this thread its like 5 guys on one.

 

Oh but its just a friendly discussion, no harm done 

 

I actually agree with a few of his points