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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:49 AM

So i see the Chio Jutsu & Sakura dying thing are brought up again in here , so i will re-post this from my yesterday post in the 663 thread . 

 

Now i see many are predicting that Sakura will use Chio's jutsu and sacrifice her life for Naruto (which is a big NO NO for me), but i was wondering if anyone of you guys & girls thinks that what Sakura's doing now is like more or less the same thing as the Chio's jutsu , she's basically the only thing that keeps Naruto alive , she's like his artificial heart so to speak , so i think in this way she's surpassing what Chio did back then i mean think about it : both of them were exhausted , both of them received chakra so they can keep them alive back then Chio from Naruto & Sakura from Garra now , and both of them were/are using  extreme measures to keep the boys alive its just in the case of Chio it was a KinJutsu , so i think in this way that Sakura is gonna surpass Chio she's gonna save Naruto without her dying and with this we get the full reference and the closure to that scene and again the New Generation surpasses the Old one .  

 

Also has anybody count the numbers of parallels and callback scenes that we had over this last two chapters ? Man it would have been sweet if we had a list of them   :wow:   :lol: .

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 07:01 AM

How funny. I don't know, but I just dreamt that SJ USA Twitter guy would ask, "Do you believe Hinata would rescue Naruto faster than anyone?"

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:19 AM

I was just thinking, even when I get nervous and think "Could NaruHina really happen?" I just remember back to chapter 631 and... That pretty much seals it for me. That foreshadowing wouldn't be in there without a reason.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:21 AM

I was just thinking, even when I get nervous and think "Could NaruHina really happen?" I just remember back to chapter 631 and... That pretty much seals it for me. That foreshadowing wouldn't be in there without a reason.

Indeed.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:35 AM

^ Indubitably.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 10:33 AM

I seriously can't believe that Haters still whine abt Narusaku!!!!!! I mean NH fans blew their tops when the handholding occured, but 663 is JUST CPR. Are they for real?????


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:09 AM

I seriously can't believe that Haters still whine abt Narusaku!!!!!! I mean NH fans blew their tops when the handholding occured, but 663 is JUST CPR. Are they for real?????

Well, they don't have any other argument. I saw a lot of NH fans giving up, even if they weren't happy about the kitten Kishimoto did on Hinata.

I saw some of them even say that Hinata is a poor character without Naruto, and that's she doesn't have any importance into the main plot.

 

Some of them are being realistic, and some of them are just blind and full of useless hope.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:22 AM

Now that it has been mentioned. I want Minato to teleport Naruto and Sakura to a dimension where Sakura can learn Sage Mode and Naruto gets his next power up.
They return. Sakura goes HAM on Mads in sage mode. Cue Salty tears from haters. 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:34 AM

^I'm not even gonna lie, even though Sasuke and Hinata haven't talked AT ALL in the manga, I still feel like, in the right hands, the pairing has MASSIVE potential. 

To be honest, one of the reasons I crackship SH is because duuude, their past relies on heavily common ground. Both the brother in the shadow of the other, both looked-down upon at first, both had quarrels with Itachi/Neji till some point in the manga then they reconcile with them only to lose them after.

So yeah, if Kishi had made them interact, they'd had a lot of potential.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:40 PM

Really at this point, its just still hard to believe how people still just say Sakura loves Sasuke and assume naruto will just love hinata, its still just funny how despite all arguements, people expect Sakura's growth to naruto to just end, I mean its seriously a good question many NH fans should be asking themselves right now, why in the biggest time of the manga, when the hero is approaching deaths door, if NH were to come true, why not include Hinata in the situation? Why include Sakura and then after all these events until he recovers, if Sakura reveals more towards him, then how can people still just expect NH to come? Its really just taking that red herring arguement which not only died, its like its corpse is getting stabbed, its just again, if NS was not to go anywhere beyond friendhship then just why bother, why bother with it all if NH was only planned to instantly/ hardly happen by practically no development? Is it because Hinata always liked him? Is that really the only reason now? Really a good difference and justifcation for NS at this point is just because we had that growth from sakura to naruto, she changed around him, its just more dynamic. Its like would you rather have seen naruto become hokage in the way sasuke is trying too (the old way by seeking power) or in the way he eventually found out (trust and support in friends and willing to protect them). I wouldnt want to see sasuke get hokage since his version is the same as narutos old one, but much darker. It just honeslty makes no sense at this point, we are to basically just dismiss everything sakura has at this point even the current situation and just expect NH to come from what little development it does have and SS to come because of basically the same reasons even though they are much more negative? Really at this point, SS is just rendered impossible to occur and NH is quickly approaching that. I would rather NS because of that growth and change in dynamics, its like seriously people know sasuke will change for the better in the end but why would they expect sakura to never change her view to naruto depsite everything that has occured? I may be a guy that doesn't always like convinence for a story, but geez its unfortinante but true about Hinata, shes more of a plot device now than an actual character, if its really only her love for naruto keeping her in the story, thats not good at all. Really people even claiming if hinata and sakuras intial crushes arn't going to go, then what about naruto, well simple answer is, naruto is the hero, his goals override all, story is about him, first character first serve. And its not like naruto actually didnt go anywhere with his crush on sakura, he did learn many things about her and why he came to love her, chapter 3 was the start but the other events like the promise, 457 as what sai revealed to sakura, he had more reason for it, mainly sacrificing his own happiness for hers but this impacted not only him but also sakura. In effect, his crush on her is part of the promise, one of the bigger story elements, its part of his character, its part of his development, hence its more central to the story than hinatas for him. Sakuras changing view on naruto has obviously been part of her development, but its also her own crush on sauske that gave her development, a form of antagonism on her part, its been a hard truth for her to accept and see how her actions impacted naruto despite her feelings for sasuke. She saw the dark side of sasuke and almost died by his hand 3 times, yet she still had feelings, but they were feelings which didn't sit well with her, 635 made it clear, if she doesn't trust sasuke then thats really not good for SS cause lets all face it, whats a good relationship built on? Anyone, its a t-word, oh yeah, TRUST!

 

Even the arguement of 469 killing NS, again, I am amazed so many fans just take direct words as the words they want to hear, not the dialouge following or other reasons for it. NS was never killed, it was just left unanswered. Really the whole prospect for this because it occurs just 12 chapters after 457, it seriously makes no sense, we have naruto in this scene being dissapointed because he cannot fulfill something he sees as very important to sakura and himself and then when she does confess (in an effort to protect him) they basically expect like naruto suddenly snapped and said "know what screw this I don't like her anymore" seriously the whole context of us the audience learning about why naruto doesnt tell his feelings to sakura, only for sakura to react at how saddening it is for naruto to deal with the promise, in an effort to protect him by confessing, to him even questioning why she did it after which sai reveals why and said it was partically his fault, people still think he is over her? They seriously think kishi just made sakura have that trip to end NS and thats it? Looking back at then and now, the whole arguement of 469, its just downright rediculous at this point, it was never resolved back then with a clear answer to how he felt towards her, we got 631, the whole concept is just bonkers in its own right, I mean we get these big events to just suddenly end 12 chapters later? That makes no sense at all. It makes no sense for sakura to travel out only for NS to suddenly end, then we get the kushina foreshadow which was later applied to sakura and now this moment, and all the stuff people expect for Hinata, its been sakura getting all the time. I really dont understand the excuses at this point, anything sakura does, its not going to lead anywhere or its all a joke or misleading us while some of them are perfectly acceptable or even allowing of hinata yet kishi leaves hinata in the dirt (literally as of last time we saw her). This arguement is just as bad as people who seriously use the sakura was going to abandon the leaf to join sasuke in the land of iron, for the last time she was lying to get close to him in an attempt to kill him. I seriously am at a loss for words when people just follow words blindly.

 

Right now, the current situation is definately a pro NS time, but even then people are still making excuses that everything we think is development of her moving closer to him, its just not going to matter because NH and SS are so assured to come because they are obvious, they don't need development, screentime, character investment, growth, dynamics, etc. Its just going to happen because screw logic, its what the fans demand. :wallbash: 

 

It just makes no sense at this point. No sense at all that NS couldn't happen, these coming weeks may very well be the end of the war, Im not declaring victory but seriously sakura meeting minato again and the reaction to the recovery are 2 events NH fans and SS fans should be worried about. I'm not saying anything big will happen, but the record speaks for itself, NH and SS are not just going to happen, NS isnt either but it has a road of development enabling it too. NH and SS hardly have any road, you cannot go anywhere in a story if theres no path leading to it, sudden reveals that conflict with other story elements and character mentalities is just another thing that cannot occur either, it seems NH and SS rely on instantaneous randomized events, thats not something you should rely on, it just leaves it undependable and unpredictable, story elements that lead somewhere give you predictable events that may come. NS has given us TONS and I mean TONS of these, this is why we see the current situation of sakura healing naruto, not hinata because what could she have done in the situation? healed him by her pure compassion for him? Sorry love is an emotion, not an ability, it can only get you so far, its not the answer to everything. Sakura healing naruto AND being concerned/possibly revealing more, is a combination of action AND development on her part. NH hasnt given us much to work with, its depressing but true. As I said before, if we cannot predict much of what Hinata can lead us too, then what can we honestly expect from her?

 

Each chapter that passes, each time hinata does something that doesnt get more built on it, each time kishi throws something else at NS, then what can we honestly expect from either NH or SS at this point? Each chapter we get showing more NS and not the others, it equals to both NH and SS becoming impossible.



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:57 PM

You know the whole problem with the Sakura loves Sasuke thing is it's much worst then any other pairing... not because of Sasuke's neutral expression and attitude or the fact that he's shown glimpses of being evil, hell just throw out he tried to kill her 3 times too. No the absolute #1 biggest answer is that he just doesn't care. Sasuke has never shown much interest outside of the occasional "Your my comrade" stuff, and even after Naruto converts him or whatever (man that sounds wrong)... that still won't account for his personality, not unless you have one of the most poorly contrived writing scheme's on the planet. Sasuke pulling a 360 is far less likely then Sakura falling for Naruto or (*sigh*) Naruto falling for Hinata, I mean at least those two are capable of loving others instead of themselves. And you know what really got to me that Sakura has feelings for Naruto, (pause), that hint of jealously I felt when she was healing Hinata in the Pain Arc. Why even mention that with a sad expression if it didn't mean something? You could say it's just Sakura wants Naruto to be happy, but even now I don't really believe that.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:00 PM

I was just thinking, even when I get nervous and think "Could NaruHina really happen?" I just remember back to chapter 631 and... That pretty much seals it for me. That foreshadowing wouldn't be in there without a reason.

I'm pretty sure 631 is for Kishi's sake, not ours. He wanted to have Minato approve their relationship (and also imply that Kushina would have approved as well) because Kishi himself has a family and would want his children to seek approval before entering a serious relationship. In all honesty it didn't develop Naruto and Sakura's relationship. It was more of a hint than anything else.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:14 PM

Guys how many parallels involve the the guy and girl not getting a happy ending?

 

Tsunade Jiraiya

Minato Kushina

Obito Rin

 

anymore? 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:18 PM

I like the NaruSaku pairing, it is my favorite because they belong together & work really well together. But what I want to know is why can't I log on to the Heaven & Earth Fanfiction site? Every time I try, I get this message: IPS Driver Error. What is wrong with the site?



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:21 PM

Guys how many parallels involve the the guy and girl not getting a happy ending?

 

Tsunade Jiraiya

Minato Kushina

Obito Rin

 

anymore? 

uh yahiko-konan? 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:27 PM

Well, they don't have any other argument. I saw a lot of NH fans giving up, even if they weren't happy about the kitten Kishimoto did on Hinata.

I saw some of them even say that Hinata is a poor character without Naruto, and that's she doesn't have any importance into the main plot.

 

Some of them are being realistic, and some of them are just blind and full of useless hope.

They must have gotten sick or something...



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:30 PM

Guys how many parallels involve the the guy and girl not getting a happy ending?

 

Tsunade Jiraiya

Minato Kushina

Obito Rin

 

anymore? 

Yahiko and Konan - Hashirama and Mito.


Edited by T XD, 10 February 2014 - 05:34 PM.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:34 PM

I come here just to ruin the mood and say not all of those mentioned parallel NS. ^


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:54 PM

I wonder if the streak continues with the next chapter or we can finally breathe?



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:58 PM

I'm pretty sure 631 is for Kishi's sake, not ours. He wanted to have Minato approve their relationship (and also imply that Kushina would have approved as well) because Kishi himself has a family and would want his children to seek approval before entering a serious relationship. In all honesty it didn't develop Naruto and Sakura's relationship. It was more of a hint than anything else.


I wasn't exactly saying that I contained any development. I was just saying that the foreshadowing in the scene really seals the deal for me when it comes to NaruSaku.

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