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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

She cried for Neji's death, and her entire speech was based off of Neji's words though...
Furthermore, the point of Ch.616 was to symbolize how Neji's spirit lives on as everyone fights in his memory, hence the eagle formations.
Hinata is also shown defending Neji's body in this panel:
Panel --Click here to view--


Nobody, including Hinata, was disregarding Neji.

@Saku-Chan
Couldn't have said it better myself.

First off, you pointed earlier that Hinata cares about others when she said "Kiba, Shino".
Well Sakura did a lot of things on part 1, and way more to the other and still when on the end of part 1 she was willing to leave the village and leave everyone behind including Naruto.
On part 1 we can say that Sakura didnt cared about others just based on this because her priority was Sasuke above her friends and Naruto.

We can say that Hinata doesnt care about others because they are not her priority and she stated so many times on this manga that she wanted to be strong to protect Naruto and nothing else, it's sure that she would leave everything behind including her clan for Naruto.
It's an obvious statement that any NH fan or whatever will disagree even based on past things that happened on this arc then going back to 615.
I'm going to say that despite her speech being based on Neji's word most of the speech was about friends and Naruto's nindo, Neji died but Kishimoto wasted her potential because he didnt showed as an example : "Neji giving a pep talk to Hinata", somewhat that would make that her speech she give had a reason, that her speech what based on personal experiences and not just because "Naruto is struggling".
THen we look for a reason for her to did the speech, we look a bit way back and we find a panel where Naruto says that Hinata is strong.

Then i ask you are you telling me that Hinata is a good character when everything she did on the arc had a motivation just because NAruto said she was strong?.
Chapter Path to Radiance, her speech on 615, and the way she overcome Neji's death was based just because Naruto told her that she was strong?
The "development" which i refuse to call it development come from a moment related to Naruto that she give a speech to Naruto just because Naruto was struggling even Goku going super sayan had a better development.

The speech was the moment that Neji could provide that development but it turned out to be a "development" related because naruto was struggling.
But no it seemed it comes from nowhere because Kishimoto didnt provided a development that would justify someome doing a speech like that.
As an example Ino, Chouji or Shikamaru could give that speech because they have development to do so.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 March 2013 - 12:59 PM.

[narusakurama]

I think Baquette mentioned he used to be NH until a NS fan convinced him otherwise . Guess now a NH fan convinced him back .
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@Baquette How many times have you switched between fandoms so far ?

[T XD]

That what he did was to spite the NS fandom since he is really annoyed with the way many try to lower Hinata development has meaningless.
The user does not hate Hinata or NH in fact he kind of OK with it.

Anyway this is just my opinion so I will also say what zatheko said, Dat sig man, dat siggggg

So, someone was pretending to be with NS than revealed him/herself ? Actually, I'm not surprised. Anyone could get in the forums and then reveals him/herself after pretending.

Anyways, anyone can ship whatever they want.

[Branden]

anyways now that that's over Id like to ask how you all think Naruto would react if Sakura were put in mortal danger.


the last time I recall that happening was in the konoha invasion arc where Naruto was able to use multi shadow clone jutsu and summon Gama bunta on his own. not that impressive now but at the time it was a serious "WTF THATS SO AWESOME!!!" moment.

the reprucutions of this however would leave Sakura once again feeling guilty for slowing down Naruto and it would also hurt her character unless she was able to put up a decent fight before being "taken out"


ps. so much nostalgia!

part 1 was so awesome! --Click here to view--

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3 --Click here to view--

4 --Click here to view--

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

anyways now that that's over Id like to ask how you all think Naruto would react if Sakura were put in mortal danger.


the last time I recall that happening was in the konoha invasion arc where Naruto was able to use multi shadow clone jutsu and summon Gama bunta on his own. not that impressive now but at the time it was a serious "WTF THATS SO AWESOME!!!" moment.

the reprucutions of this however would leave Sakura once again feeling guilty for slowing down Naruto and it would also hurt her character unless she was able to put up a decent fight before being "taken out"

He's still like that remember the move he did when the kumo ninjas pointed out that sword on Sakura.

PArt 1 was good because it had a dark atmosphere they looked more like ninjas, but part 2 seemed like teenagers ninjas.

[Branden]

He's still like that remember the move he did when the kumo ninjas pointed out that sword on Sakura.

PArt 1 was good because it had a dark atmosphere they looked more like ninjas, but part 2 seemed like teenagers ninjas.

I.... I have no idea what you're trying to say. Legitimately no clue at all.

[HauntedCake]

Bageutte seems to be more like a mercenary

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I.... I have no idea what you're trying to say. Legitimately no clue at all.

I'm saying is that part 1 had a more dark atmosphere and also had a good motto, people dying, invasions, chunnin's exam, Konoha invasion, third hokage dying, Sasuke's "rescue", all of them were good fights and Orochimaru seemed way more darker.

The motto was a loser could surpass a genius.

Then we go to shippuuden.
Started more bright and part 1, the akatsukis werent more darker than Orochimaru who got less darker.
Less blood and less fights, the sand village's invasion does not even compare to what happened to Konoha were characters died, the motto from Part 1 got destroyed as soon as we learned Naruto comes from a clan and is a descendent of the sage of the six paths and so on...
Also the forced brokeback mountain and it's parallels.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 March 2013 - 01:44 PM.

[Inferno180]

With the Hinata development, its either fully or almost done, maybe just a small bit of a fragment for her to grow on her own.

Hinata does have development, its just minimal compared to others, I mean side characters like Shikamaru, Tsunade, and Gaara are perfect examples of side characters with a limited but involved role. Hinata has development, the caring for others is just latent in her character, she was too timid. Just in Hinata's defense, Choji had a lot more power but was timid and afraid of his own power. Hinata has development, but the only real development was really during the chunin exams and the past 615. More or less gaining confidence and then using it in return to Naruto. Other than that though, the whole hugely developed is not the thing, the problem for some when it came to Hinata is that what development she had is like its too short and basically given Nitro, Hinata sometimes seems to have sudden shifts rather than gradual like most others, this just makes it a little hard for some to stay relevant to her. Yes the majority of her character for some can be said to be Naruto-kun then fainting but 615 did give her the development and moment she needed.

Only problem most people have with her is the fact that as many say, she remains central and dependent on Naruto for development, most others at least grew on their own or from others even gave some development back to the one who gave it to them. (Hinata did this in 615 but again only to Naruto). This does not bother me as much, only thing that bothers me about Hinata is the fanbase which somehow got those insane perceptions of her being much more that they try to make her a main character. For me Hinatas involvement is overall summed up in 3 short roles (chunin exams, pain, 615 speech). Its true its very limited compared to Sakura's and not as enduring but she still has her own development none the less. I do believe NS still outdoes NH and has the chance to happen, as many of us have said, all the pieces are there and it can work in and arrive there in hundreds of ways, NaruSaku does no harm to the story and is a good resolution in part for both Naruto and Sakura's characters, Sasuke can still be there with them with Sakura forgiving him by way of Naruto but stay as friends not love him anymore, or Sasuke can become a wanderer, maybe the new leader of akaksuti to make it an actual peacekeeping group. No matter what a NS ending will do justice and would help bring a good resolution alongside the other story elements. We know SS brings this story to a gloried fanfiction and in respect to NaruHina, it can happen but there is just too much its risking to much damage to the story (structure, pacing, consistency, logic), Naruto's character, Sakura's character, and even Hinata's role in part.

But if anything I should say lets stop the hate on Hinata's part, our focus is mainly Naruto and Sakura, yes we talk about Hinata's character but when a thread begins to go into just dissussuing the negative aspects of her character, we are losing sight on this thread's purpose, doing this we mainly become as bad as the irrational fans who find reason to hate Sakura rather than focusing on what evidence they can find for their own pairings, we know Hinata is limited in development but we don't need to focus solely on this. This is a NaruSaku central site but its still a sight for all Naruto fans, remember if we as NS fans pride ourselves as being the most logical oriented paring, then we need to act logical to everyone.

I think its time to cool off and forget this site for a while, this is just due sadly to the cover and how people are again taking concern when it makes no difference and we know the purpose of 615 being friendship and the end of the Naruto-Hyuga story, most likely the end of Hinata's development (heck Darkrest put out many reasons for this) watch as we get a NaruSaku cover later on and this becomes another laugh for the history books in our fandom. We are all too concerned with nothing, Sakura will come, we just need to wait a while longer, we waited for 3 years, a couple more months won't kill us. Heck it could still be a year its not going to kill us, in a way the Mina-Kush parallels served as a reminder to us, if anything RtN proved that they are paralleled in the movie but can be in the manga too. RtN is non canon sure, but take satisfaction in the fact that it has value for 3 reasons:
1. Kishi made it, it was his choice
2. Its the only movie deriving from the canon story.
3. The movie proved that Naruto and Sakura have the makings of a close friendship which can become somthing more, same way it proved that they can attribute the MinaKush parallel, if this can be said in the movie, kishi can make it attributed in the manga. The movie proved if anything NaruSaku is possible, so take satisfaction in that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I do believe Hinata's developments are done, if not, will be done once Neji gets revived. Yeah, I'm starting to see this happening now. I don't want him to stay dead nor want him alive. Not staying dead because well I do like him and I feel like it's fitting for him to reborn with no curse mark, making Hyuuga finally change starting with Neji being "equal" completely. On the other hand, I don't want him alive because well, it's Pain 2.0, unless only small fraction of people are revived. I mean if Shikamaru and Ino's dad get revive, that's pushing it. It will be One Piece all over again. Well, this is my opinion. Feel free to agree to disagree.

[Codus N]

While it it true that it would keep with the animal trinity theme, it just seems odd to me that Kishi would have both Toad and Snake Sage Mode give the user Toad and Snake eyes respectively but not have Slug Sage Mode give the user Slug eyes, plus like I said before I'm not going to say that Hashirama's Sage Mode is Slug Sage Mode until I see him summon a Slug or Tsunade, Shizune or Sakura use it, but I doubt that Shizune and Sakura have the chakra needed for Sage Mode, because until we are told otherwise we have to assume that the same requirements that apply to Toad Sage also apply to Snake and Slug Sage Mode it there is a Slug Sage Mode, and Kishi has already had the chance to say if the requirements are different, he could've had Sasuke or Suigetsu ask Orochimaru about it after he was revived, it wouldn't have taken long and it would've made great foreshadowing for Sakura gaining Slug Sage Mode just by establishing if large chakra reserves is only required for Toad Sage Mode.

Oh and about Katsuyu's ability, I wouldn't call that immortality because it is still possible to kill her, you'd need a s*** load of salt, but you could still kill her.

Yeah, I kinda understand your point too, but I'd like to take the assumption that the points around Hashi's eyes are supposed to resemble the Slug's 4 antennas. And there is a sort of change in Hashi's pupils when he enters SM.

Hashi's normal eyes:
http://mangastream.c...uto/34771730/18

SM eyes:
http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/621/12

One thing's for sure, there is a noticeable physical transformation with Hashi's SM with the eyes. Though, how it relates to the Slugs will further be explained (unless somebody beats Kishi to it.)

Bolded: I didn't know that. But good point though, LOL

So i really have to say it again -.-
It seems like some of you guys have sakura as your favohrite character but in the end its seems like youve got a totally wrong picture of her.
You are whinning around that shes not fighting, got no new powerups and doesnt get screentime lately and now just because of this you say shes not heroine like. I have a complete different view of her.

Sakura was never ment to be the kind of heroine whos having fights, why else does kishi make her a medic? Shes ment to get her development from naruto, grow from hating to love him and be there for him. A lot of you guys have seenthe sasori fight and now you seem to think that this is ehat she needs to do to be a heroine but thats not true. Sakura got tons of development from naruto theoughout the series and did everything what a good heroine needs to do.
You say that its sexism to prefer a heroine whos not fighting and just beeing there for naruto growing from hating to loving him and naruto beeing the one who tries everything to win her heart, and thats just ....

I said it 100 times before. Theres a reason for kishi to not show her during the war arc, since her characte is on a stage where she is in conflict with her feelings and giving her interactions with naruto now would mean her feelings beeing resolved, but thats somethibg kishi wants to stall till the end. The war arc was ment to show how huge the whole naruto world is and to resolve a lot of character, like hinata as example.

Sure 615 would be a heroine like moment, but its not fitting for sakura since she has nothing to do with neji instead of hinata. Hinata is much more fitting for 615, she gets her shining moment and her character also gets resolved. Its not aking away sakuras moment, her time to shine is still waiting but as said it doesnt need to have anything to do with her fighting to support naruto.

Again, just because i see sakuras character as 90% based on love and also has the most of her development based on her feelings, has nothing to do with sexism, thats just you bringin reallife logic into a manga. This is nothing more then simple storytelling. Thats just a way how to write a character if you point towards an ending with the main character and the protoganist beeing a couple in the end.

I dont even know what keeps you reading this manga if you completly hate how its going so far but nevermind.

No, like Strider said, (at least I think he said it). It's not about her fighting, it's about her role as a whole to the series and hero. You seem to be assuming things. I've repeatedly said that (at the very least, I was implying) Sakura lacks moments that make her a heroine. It doesn't have to be fighting all the time. It can simply be something like her being there to act as a bedrock for him. All this time, she was there to see his dark moments (such as Jiraiya's death).

She's seen the many sides of him, and yet!! why was she shafted in 615!!!?? that would've been the peak of her journey seeing all the things Naruto's been through. The one time she could've done something to help Naruto in the biggest way possible so far was taken away by Hinata. At this point, I have to question Kishi: does he really intend to move her character forward or not??

It doesn't matter whether she had a connection with Neji or not. And may I quote (paraphrasing):

Sakura: Naruto, you've always been the one to save us all. You always put so much burdens on your shoulders. But this time, we'll fight together!!

Sakura was all about sharing the burdens with Naruto. Neji's death was supposed to make him realize that everyone is sharing the same burdens and that he doesn't have to fight alone. Her role was to help Naruto learn that he can share his burdens with others. But did we see that?? NO. Again, a moment where she could finally show him like the close friend she is that she's always there for him was taken away.

This way of thinking of yours is exactly what the chauvinists of pre-suffrage era used to think. If you actually agree with the notion that all the female characters are good for is just pairing fodder, then that is an absolutely disgusting opinion. That's no different than saying all women are useless except doing housework and just think about romantic fantasies. If you actually believe that this is what Kishi intends, then all that says to me, is that Kishi is sexist. And we definitely know that's not true. Look at Ino, Tsunade or even Mei and Kushina.

All of them aren't pairing fodders. Ino's beginning to grow out of her fangirl phase and that is most likely thanks to her two boys who care about her more than Sasuke ever would. Shikamaru is also a good influence on her as well. Tsunade, Mei and Kushina aren't just your average Kunoichi, they also have strong characterization.

Another thing, if I really were to apply real life logic to this manga, then the Tsundere trope wouldn't kittenin' make sense at all. And how Nagato's Deus Ex Machina's wouldn't have made sense either. And oh, several of the villains' freudian excuses wouldn't have even existed at all. Lastly, Sharingan and Senju DNA transplantation would also not make sense and exist because it is medically impossible. Regeneration?? yeah, not medically possible.

So really, your argument of applying RL logic to this manga is rendered moot.

[Don-kun]

So, someone was pretending to be with NS than revealed him/herself ? Actually, I'm not surprised. Anyone could get in the forums and then reveals him/herself after pretending.

Anyways, anyone can ship whatever they want.

Oh do you know that this person wasn't a full NS fan who has sympathy towards NH in a lesser degree than NS, you don't spend time in NB one of NH fans home arguing in favor of NS if you are a NH fan.

I think is more of the fact that NS has become a very different fandom from what it was before for example when you type NaruSaku latest on DA it's nothing but Anti NH and Anti NS, is no wonder why many users are starting to stay away from the pro NS sites, the Manga has keep us in the shadow for almost 4 years, but some of us not all are tired of this NH that they try to spend time downplaying and sometimes bashing NH and Hinata.

Like for example:
This
http://browse.devian...uhina-362594770
And this
http://browse.devian...er=5&q=narusaku

Don't worry there are a lot more like these on DA while our post seems like they are heading on the same direction, when I say our post is because I'm also including myself.




@Inferno180
I want to read your post but I really need to go make some money, maybe later God first.

Edited by Don-kun, 31 March 2013 - 02:15 PM.

[HauntedCake]

we havent had anything decent to talk about for years due to no NS interaction. So all we do is debate with NH fanbase about whats happened so far recycling old points and arguments.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sakura was all about sharing the burdens with Naruto. Neji's death was supposed to make him realize that everyone is sharing the same burdens and that he doesn't have to fight alone. Her role was to help Naruto learn that he can share his burdens with others. But did we see that?? NO. Again, a moment where she could finally show him like the close friend she is that she's always there for him was taken away.

This way of thinking of yours is exactly what the chauvinists of pre-suffrage era used to think. If you actually agree with the notion that all the female characters are good for is just pairing fodder, then that is an absolutely disgusting opinion. That's no different than saying all women are useless except doing housework and just think about romantic fantasies. If you actually believe that this is what Kishi intends, then all that says to me, is that Kishi is sexist. And we definitely know that's not true. Look at Ino, Tsunade or even Mei and Kushina.

All of them aren't pairing fodders. Ino's beginning to grow out of her fangirl phase and that is most likely thanks to her two boys who care about her more than Sasuke ever would. Shikamaru is also a good influence on her as well. Tsunade, Mei and Kushina aren't just your average Kunoichi, they also have strong characterization.

Another thing, if I really were to apply real life logic to this manga, then the Tsundere trope wouldn't kittenin' make sense at all. And how Nagato's Deus Ex Machina's wouldn't have made sense either. And oh, several of the villains' freudian excuses wouldn't have even existed at all. Lastly, Sharingan and Senju DNA transplantation would also not make sense and exist because it is medically impossible. Regeneration?? yeah, not medically possible.

So really, your argument of applying RL logic to this manga is rendered moot.

The whole moment didnt make sense, first of all Naruto already had realized that on Pain's arc, Itachi's speech and again on the fight against Obito, i didnt get why he had to go on that mode.
Then we go to the moment, Ino,Chouji and Shikamaru were the ones that could give the pep talk, Naruto doubting abou himself was already bad writing, Sakura could give the speech?
unless if we think that when Naruto asked to bring an medic Sakura was going to Naruto's place to see Neji, but could not get in that to heal Neji and only see the Naruto and Hinata but srsly, Hinata stepped in, it was asspull and bad writing becasue Kishimoto didnt showed how she got that resolution, it's like a character that suddenly goes DEUS EX MACHINA like you pointed out the whole scene seemed like it.

Looked like Kishimoto went on bad writing mode and made a plot twist.
He could had played the scene way better with just at least saving some panels to put a flashback of Neji giving a pep talk to Hinata this was enough.
But no he went on the asspull route it's a shame, Hinata is a character with wasted potential.

[kirabook]

Well then, instead of constantly putting other fandoms down or degrading characters to make everyone feel better, we should stick to real possibilities and the manga and people shouldn't be so afraid to discuss it.

What topics are you talking about you ask? Well, some have already been brought up before being shot down, but here are a few

- Sakura's death vs Sakura's not death
- If Kishi decided to go with NH, how would that really fit into the grand scheme of things and how much would he have to downplay NS
- What would Kishi have to do to make SS make sense (in my opinion, nothing could, but we should still discuss it)
- What would need to happen for NS not to happen

Of course, people might see these topics as 'negative', but I still find it differently. I lurked this website for a really long time and at some point in time, I eventually joined, but I didn't participate. But I swear a long time ago, a member stated it's best to discuss and debate everything because once all the routes are laid out in front of you in detail, it only makes you trust your initial decision that much more.

People that deny all other possibilities right away aren't confident, they are in denial, even if their pairing happens to be on top at that point in time. If you are confident, why would you be afraid to discuss some other topics that aren't in NS's favor and call it 'bad' and 'negative'? I feel like members used to discuss much more broader topics back then and no one was screaming 'non-believer', 'doubter', or 'ship jumper'.

If people don't discuss how some events effect them and they say, "Oh, well NS is still going to happen anyway", they look for other ways to regain confidence. One of those ways is bashing and putting other fandoms down. Why do you think many NH fans bashed NS so much? Some NS fans are now the new NH fans. Never considering other points of views, never wanting to talk to, accept, or debate against other points of views, and even if the other side might have a point, they will deny it anyway.

I've already stated my solution, let people analyze the manga as it is. Don't get upset if it seems like it isn't in NS's favor. If you don't analyze critically and you just let it sit there, it will fester and bother you until the end of time.

[Beastbomb]

What...What happened to you Baguette . No wonder you came in here trying to convince us that that Hinata is becoming a better developed character

[Codus N]

Well then, instead of constantly putting other fandoms down or degrading characters to make everyone feel better, we should stick to real possibilities and the manga and people shouldn't be so afraid to discuss it.

What topics are you talking about you ask? Well, some have already been brought up before being shot down, but here are a few

- Sakura's death vs Sakura's not death
- If Kishi decided to go with NH, how would that really fit into the grand scheme of things and how much would he have to downplay NS
- What would Kishi have to do to make SS make sense (in my opinion, nothing could, but we should still discuss it)
- What would need to happen for NS not to happen

Of course, people might see these topics as 'negative', but I still find it differently. I lurked this website for a really long time and at some point in time, I eventually joined, but I didn't participate. But I swear a long time ago, a member stated it's best to discuss and debate everything because once all the routes are laid out in front of you in detail, it only makes you trust your initial decision that much more.

People that deny all other possibilities right away aren't confident, they are in denial, even if their pairing happens to be on top at that point in time. If you are confident, why would you be afraid to discuss some other topics that aren't in NS's favor and call it 'bad' and 'negative'? I feel like members used to discuss much more broader topics back then and no one was screaming 'non-believer', 'doubter', or 'ship jumper'.

If people don't discuss how some events effect them and they say, "Oh, well NS is still going to happen anyway", they look for other ways to regain confidence. One of those ways is bashing and putting other fandoms down. Why do you think many NH fans bashed NS so much? Some NS fans are now the new NH fans. Never considering other points of views, never wanting to talk to, accept, or debate against other points of views, and even if the other side might have a point, they will deny it anyway.

I've already stated my solution, let people analyze the manga as it is. Don't get upset if it seems like it isn't in NS's favor. If you don't analyze critically and you just let it sit there, it will fester and bother you until the end of time.

QFT.

It's sad to see how much the forum/community has degraded into. But of course, if you and I keep going all "back in my day..." that would make us get older faster. So, best not to think about that anymore for our healths.

[PhenixElite]

Yeah, I kinda understand your point too, but I'd like to take the assumption that the points around Hashi's eyes are supposed to resemble the Slug's 4 antennas. And there is a sort of change in Hashi's pupils when he enters SM.

Hashi's normal eyes:
http://mangastream.c...uto/34771730/18

SM eyes:
http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/621/12

One thing's for sure, there is a noticeable physical transformation with Hashi's SM with the eyes. Though, how it relates to the Slugs will further be explained (unless somebody beats Kishi to it.)

Bolded: I didn't know that. But good point though, LOL



No, like Strider said, (at least I think he said it). It's not about her fighting, it's about her role as a whole to the series and hero. You seem to be assuming things. I've repeatedly said that (at the very least, I was implying) Sakura lacks moments that make her a heroine. It doesn't have to be fighting all the time. It can simply be something like her being there to act as a bedrock for him. All this time, she was there to see his dark moments (such as Jiraiya's death).

She's seen the many sides of him, and yet!! why was she shafted in 615!!!?? that would've been the peak of her journey seeing all the things Naruto's been through. The one time she could've done something to help Naruto in the biggest way possible so far was taken away by Hinata. At this point, I have to question Kishi: does he really intend to move her character forward or not??

It doesn't matter whether she had a connection with Neji or not. And may I quote (paraphrasing):



Sakura was all about sharing the burdens with Naruto. Neji's death was supposed to make him realize that everyone is sharing the same burdens and that he doesn't have to fight alone. Her role was to help Naruto learn that he can share his burdens with others. But did we see that?? NO. Again, a moment where she could finally show him like the close friend she is that she's always there for him was taken away.

This way of thinking of yours is exactly what the chauvinists of pre-suffrage era used to think. If you actually agree with the notion that all the female characters are good for is just pairing fodder, then that is an absolutely disgusting opinion. That's no different than saying all women are useless except doing housework and just think about romantic fantasies. If you actually believe that this is what Kishi intends, then all that says to me, is that Kishi is sexist. And we definitely know that's not true. Look at Ino, Tsunade or even Mei and Kushina.

All of them aren't pairing fodders. Ino's beginning to grow out of her fangirl phase and that is most likely thanks to her two boys who care about her more than Sasuke ever would. Shikamaru is also a good influence on her as well. Tsunade, Mei and Kushina aren't just your average Kunoichi, they also have strong characterization.

Another thing, if I really were to apply real life logic to this manga, then the Tsundere trope wouldn't kittenin' make sense at all. And how Nagato's Deus Ex Machina's wouldn't have made sense either. And oh, several of the villains' freudian excuses wouldn't have even existed at all. Lastly, Sharingan and Senju DNA transplantation would also not make sense and exist because it is medically impossible. Regeneration?? yeah, not medically possible.

So really, your argument of applying RL logic to this manga is rendered moot.

Nearly everything you said about 615 was already covered by my previous post.
Pls also tell me whats the purpose of sakura in the manga if its something without love.
In part 1 all she did was fangirling over sasuke. In part 2 she starts to get over her feelings for sasuke and discovers new feelings for naruto.
The rest of the time all she thinks of is how her and naruto will be able to bring back sasuke and beeing depressed because of sasuke.

Her character is ment to bring romance drama into this story. She can have some fight inbetween, but her main purpose is romance. Her goal in this manga is to get over her old depressing feelings for sasuke and find real love with naruto in the end, nothing more.

I know you now will scream sexist again and say thats not ture, but you shouldnt make more out of her character then she is. Also this kind of storytelling, with the heroine beeing there for romance has nothing to do with sexism, its used in other mangas and a lot of movies too, so its not sexism, its a way to write a story with great romance in it.

[Akashi]

The future of SS and NH depends on Sakura's actions, actually. If she will chooses Sasuke, then Naruto will stand aside and probably (but not necessary end up with Hinata). Then again that would be sloppy writing, and Kishi will screw up years of hard work he put into developing his characters.

Edited by Tauriel, 31 March 2013 - 02:49 PM.

[swagosaurus]

I have a hard time thinking of SS as even a possibility. Not only does it utterly repulse me, but they literally have no development in Part 2. It would be the ass-pull to end all ass-pulls if it ends up being canon.

Sakura doesn't even think of Sasuke as a friend anymore. Yes, she loves him, but he's not a friend. The whole bridge/Team 7 reunion and chapter 540 proved that.

Edited by swagosaurus, 31 March 2013 - 02:51 PM.