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[Decius23]

They weren't innocent, they attacked him and he dealt with them in self defense. 

 

Only person who cared for him? So Temari and Kankoru don't matter.

 

I agree his backstory was great, I just can't feel sorry for someone who kills like he does.

Eh, Madara lived in a time of war and was forced to fight against his BF at his childhood days, he had to ruin the friendship cause of his dad, he lost his brother (Who he loved more than Itachi loved Sasuke) to his BF's brother, his brother dying wish was to protect the Uchiha, the Uchiha disownded him, and the Leaf didn't acknowledge him even though he was a Co Founder, only Hashirama and Tobirama did.

 

Gaara's was sad too probably the second but he found happiness unlike Madara and I was talking about life which is way Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara rank above Gaara.......

Yes, Kankouro and Temari don't matter because they lived seperate from Gaara and didn't have much contact with him in the first place. The fourth Kazekage actively tried to mold Gaara into a weapon, more positive human contact than neccesary was not allowed.

Gaara was practically completely isolated from society, even more so than Naruto. The only positive human contact was Yashamaru and he even betrayed Gaara in the worst way possible, making Gaara question everything Yashamaru ever tought him (harming other is bad, etc.).

 

Regarding Madara: You ignore that Madara changed after reading the stone tablet. Before that he worked together with Hashirama but after that he began to actively do what he thought was right (he attacked the second Tsuchikage on his own), we don't even have clues if he tried to talk with Hashirama about it.

 

It's actually symptomanic for Uchihas to do everything on their own, without looking for other options or help. Indra was a genius and needed no help, thus doing everything on his own without regards for the wishes of others. Madara, after reading the stone tablet, developed the 'moon eye plan' but never talked about his problems with others. Fugaku never tried to talk to Sarutobi about the unrest in the clan after Kurama's attack, Sarutobi had to come to him. Shisui tried to coerce the clan with his Sharingan without consulting either Itachi (his best friend) or Sarutobi. Itachi killed the clan before Sarutobi even considered giving such an order and traumatised Sasuke in a way that completely leads his wish to protect Sasuke ad absurdum. Sasuke accomplished his revenge in a way that may have been clear to him but completely convoluted and stupid to others. When he planned his revolution he explicitly stated that he was going to stick to that plan without considering other viewpoints.

Edited by Decius23, 02 April 2015 - 07:33 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

This is gonna be me, but I feel like Sarada is gonna be a more likable character to the fandom unlike her mother. Does that mean I will like her character? A part from her design not really, what I really got to see is where she and Boruto go through as characters. Then I'll make my judgement on whether or not she's a great character because designs don't cut it. You can have a great looking character design, but they can have a really kitten background. I mean hey I'll admit Part 1 Hinata had a good design and interesting character arc.  In Part 2 I will say Hinata did have a great design, but she did absolutely nothing in the plot from progressing as a character aside from Pain and Neji's death. Even then The Last regressed what she went through in the war arc. That's where I stand on that note.

 

So like I said before Boruto and Sarada may not have amazing designs, but if the story pushes them in the right direction, Which I doubt at this point in time, then we'll see.   

[Nar123]

They weren't innocent, they attacked him and he dealt with them in self defense. 

 

Only person who cared for him? So Temari and Kankoru don't matter.

 

I agree his backstory was great, I just can't feel sorry for someone who kills like he does.

Eh, Madara lived in a time of war and was forced to fight against his BF at his childhood days, he had to ruin the friendship cause of his dad, he lost his brother (Who he loved more than Itachi loved Sasuke) to his BF's brother, his brother dying wish was to protect the Uchiha, the Uchiha disownded him, and the Leaf didn't acknowledge him even though he was a Co Founder, only Hashirama and Tobirama did.

 

 

 

 

 

Self defense can't be used as an excuse since they only attacked because Sasuke was the one attacking the Kage Summit, Sasuke was the one tresspassing.

 

About Gaara

 

Temari and Kankuro were afraid of Gaara

Well you can not like Gaara or whatever but you have to also understand why he was like that. He was heavily influenced by his demon (unlike Naruto)  and he was also alienated by his village but once again , unlike Naruto , he had no one he could rely on, then only person he thought he could trust tried to kill him. Afterwards when he saw the error of his ways he worked hard and became kazekage to be able to save people like how Naruto saved him  

 

About Madara

 

Why did you even had to tell me his sob story? I already told you its not the saddest one that counts to a character being excused by the fandom or loved, its how he develops through it.

Besides you omitted some things, like how Madara was trying to disrupt the peace they had at that moment to try to innitiate the moon eye plan

 

 

 

 

I think only pure Uzumakis like Karin and Kushina could use them. It baffles me that we know more about Sasuke's clan than the MAIN character's clan.

 

Yeah I always felt the Uzumaki got no decent exposure, the same thing with the Senju, I mean how such a big clan ended up with only Tsunade as a known member?

 

 

 

 

Hmm, i don't think it would work that way in a rather violent world. The strongest is most likely going to end up as the leader (just like the Hokage practically needs to be the strongest Ninja in the village) because he/she is the 'first protector' of the clan/village as seen with the clans in Konoha (Aburame, Inuzuka etc.).
It wouldn't make sense for the strongest person not to be the leader of the whole.

 

 

 

About what you said about the strongest person...well Kakashi after the war arc is pretty weak and still got to be hokage LOL

 

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if she did. But who would teach her how to use chains since Naruto never used them before?

 

They would edo tensei Kushina to do it

 

 

 

 

I sincerely hope not. The little spawn is even less Uzumaki than Naruto was. It's more likely to acquire the Byakugan thanks to its damnable incubator/stalker of a mother. If I were in its shoes, I would hope to receive neither and try to improve based on my own merit instead of leeching off biological inheritances for my success.  

 

   

Edited by Nar123, 03 April 2015 - 12:55 AM.

[luffyq1]

This is gonna be me, but I feel like Sarada is gonna be a more likable character to the fandom unlike her mother. Does that mean I will like her character? A part from her design not really, what I really got to see is where she and Boruto go through as characters. Then I'll make my judgement on whether or not she's a great character because designs don't cut it. You can have a great looking character design, but they can have a really sh*tty background. I mean hey I'll admit Part 1 Hinata had a good design and interesting character arc.  In Part 2 I will say Hinata did have a great design, but she did absolutely nothing in the plot from progressing as a character aside from Pain and Neji's death. Even then The Last regressed what she went through in the war arc. That's where I stand on that note.

 

So like I said before Boruto and Sarada may not have amazing designs, but if the story pushes them in the right direction, Which I doubt at this point in time, then we'll see.   

hinata's character was already more liked than sakura over here. in fact, it seems like every female character is more like than sakura.

[Nar123]

This is gonna be me, but I feel like Sarada is gonna be a more likable character to the fandom unlike her mother. Does that mean I will like her character? A part from her design not really, what I really got to see is where she and Boruto go through as characters. Then I'll make my judgement on whether or not she's a great character because designs don't cut it. You can have a great looking character design, but they can have a really sh*tty background. I mean hey I'll admit Part 1 Hinata had a good design and interesting character arc.  In Part 2 I will say Hinata did have a great design, but she did absolutely nothing in the plot from progressing as a character aside from Pain and Neji's death. Even then The Last regressed what she went through in the war arc. That's where I stand on that note.

 

So like I said before Boruto and Sarada may not have amazing designs, but if the story pushes them in the right direction, Which I doubt at this point in time, then we'll see.   

 

C'mon be realist here

 

1) Salad is a woman

2) This is a story done by Kishi

 

the outcome is obvious, she will ultimately end up being some kind of damsel for Burrito to save

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
C'mon be realist here
 
1) Salad is a woman
2) This is a story done by Kishi
 
the outcome is obvious, she will ultimately end up being some kind of damsel for Burrito to save

Agreed. I already called her on that. I wouldn't be surprised at all. The man is stuck in 90s.

Speaking of Gaara, do you think the new added flashback in War Arc for Gaara was a mistake? Plot hole or what?

[Nar123]

Agreed. I already called her on that. I wouldn't be surprised at all. The man is stuck in 90s.

Speaking of Gaara, do you think the new added flashback in War Arc for Gaara was a mistake? Plot hole or what?

 

I actually quite liked that one, it revealed more on his mom 

but also brough the plot hole of why his powerful father was such easily killed by Orochimaru 

 

So I felt conflicted about it

[Decius23]

 
Leadership is about more than just power or combat aptitude. To be an effective Hokage, you need to have proper managerial know-how, the ability to compromise with your council, consideration for the opinions of the public and constituency (which is supposedly the Jonin), and the patience to sit behind a desk and fill out paperwork. Having the intelligence to make innovative improvements to the infrastructure of the village like Hashirama and Tobirama did is also a plus.

Besides, it's not like every leader in Konoha was the absolute strongest. Hiruzen and Tsunade's power statuses were challenged by various people such as Kakashi, Naruto, Danzo, and Guy. They weren't necessarily the most powerful at the time of their Hokageship

 

But the world of Naruto operates on a 'might makes right' basis (one of the point Naruto wanted to change) so it would be dangerous for the leader not to be the strongest. It's not much of a problem to find people smart enough to help you run a village but it's hard to surround yourself with people stronger than you where you have no chance to survive if one betrays you or you are caught alone in a fight.

 

We can see that with Shikamaru. Smart as hell but in a fight he either needs powerfull backup or elaborate plans that stronger people could destroy through simple brute force (if they are strong enough of course)

 

If, hypothetically, the Uzumaki women were stronger, then they would take the reins of the village while giving people talented enough (be they men or women) administrative posts to handle the 'grunt work'.

Of course it's not that easy, there are a multitude of other possibilities and ways to run a village/clan and different opinions on how a village should be run have to be taken into consideration (i mean story-wise).

 

Which, 'thankfully', is way beyond Kishimoto's rather abyssmal worldbuilding talent. We could have ended up with a realistic manga where politics, genetics and psychology/human nature actually matter.

Good grief, who would want something like that.

Edited by Decius23, 02 April 2015 - 07:55 PM.

[FireFox]

lol, he's going on a journey to "atone for his sins" not discover himself. 

 

Considering Gaara is a monster who killed innocent people, Raikage is a piece of kitten hypocrite, and Onooki hired Akatsuki its safe to say its taken lightly. And Killer Bee could be captured by any other Akatsuki, he wasn't that strong he almost lost by Taka (But Sasuke saved Karin).

 

I would agree with you on the victim part but only the Samurai were killed and they pretty much were killed in self defense. Furthermore the victim part only works for Gaara/Nagato/Obito who were all forgiven they are better examples. 

 

When Sasuke threatened to take over the world he only caused Naruto's hand to be lost (He got it back) so yes Team 7 can shut up about it, its not like he killed people when that happened. 

LOL he got his redemption even before he started his journey  what redemption is he talking about !? Its ridiculous in the first place . And besides read the chapter again he said he also need to go in order to discover himself in a way  and see the world with his own clear eyes .

 

Gaara was controlled by his monster and was used as a weapon  its not the same and it was allowed to kill in the Chunin Exams it was a part of it , if that's what you're talking about . I never argued that Raikage and Onoiki were kittens but they were leaders of their countries they acted "under conducts of war"  that;s why they had wars , and I still don't excuse them for their kitten never did but the politics is different in here they act for their countries and their people it doesn't fall under terrorist act . Akatsuki was an Terrorist organization trying to enslave and rule "The World" this was established and they were treated as an Terrorist Organization its members were labeled as Terrorist  .  With all that said that  still doesn't mean that terrorist acts should be absolved  like Kikitten did  that's bad disgusting and poor writing  that sends bed message , the men has no clue WTH is he doing 90% of his time sign .   

 

LOL  self defense really now !? its not like Samurai's are not people ,  Its not self defense when you're attacking their home and invading a Top Secret World Leader's Summit and  going for the kill of their leaders  its equivalent of Terrorists attacking an NATO Summit  its ridiculous to label that as "Self Defense" LOL makes zero sens .  

 

The victim argument I used doesn't exactly count for them as they are all dead  and they weren't redeemed  they died before they can pay for their actions  Death in this case was their punishment . So even though its a cop out bc Kikitten can't write proper redemption or give  proper punishment  bc he sucks in everything he does  at least in this way  there is some form of justice for the victims and their families and no one can rebel against it , its the easiest way in the book  . For Sasuke its worse bc he received no punishment at all it was brushed off like nothing ever happened no accountability  its utter kitten that gives a sh*tty bad message . Which is why I said that Sasuke had 3 options  it was either  : 1 . Jail for life  2.Death as Villain and 3.Death in a form of Sacrifice for his crimes  no other redeemable option was left  then this .

 

LOL That doesn't matter that's still an Terrorist act , again T7 shouldn't shut up as it doesn't erase his past crimes  and acting in the name of Akatsuki which caused  this world war  and helped Obito  by providing him a piece of the Bijuus for the Juubi which was used to destroy an whole army and some villages with civilians as we saw whole Kumo I believe was destroyed . So again his actions have consequences and aren't little . And I'll say it again  Naruto and T7 doesn't get to decide who should be forgiven  and who not  and hide the facts bc of their friend or someone they love  the whole law system fails in here then and its sends a bad message . That if you have people on high places  every crime you commit should be forgiven but for the other criminals its different . Again this is corruption its immoral and its disgusting  and such thing should have never been written  and its why this ending sucks hard and Kikitten is an illiterate idiot sign  . 

        

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 02 April 2015 - 08:01 PM.

[redrose3443]

I wonder if the reason why Burrito is being such a brat is because SP/Kishi heard of all the backlash and know that Japan is calling Naruto a scumbag, so they make Burrito hate Naruto, just like the fans.

 

Also, lol at those SS fans talking about Sasuke standing under a cherry blossom tree. The second I saw the screen shots I knew they would go crazy.( after all, they're used to the scraps on the floor.) And they also ignore, the fact the Naruto, was shown in front of cherry blossoms, Madara and Gai were fighting with cherry blossoms surrounding them, and Minato, Kakashi, Rin, and Obito were shown with cherry blossoms around them.( just because they're flower petals, does not mean they automatically connect to shipping.)

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I actually quite liked that one, it revealed more on his mom 
but also brough the plot hole of why his powerful father was such easily killed by Orochimaru 
 
So I felt conflicted about it

I'm conflicted with another reason. While I did like that added piece on his mother, the "darkness" factor was lowered, almost feel nerfed. I didn't like how they change the sister from true hate to had to be done. It's like making TG, AoT, Berserk, and so on less kittened up world by making all peace and swell. Bad kitten does happen to any generation and some won't be under circumstance. I remember people feeling cheap that the dark nature has been toned down greatly, almost feel retcon.

So I'm torn.

[ichigo500]

I wonder if the reason why Burrito is being such a brat is because SP/Kishi heard of all the backlash and know that Japan is calling Naruto a scumbag, so they make Burrito hate Naruto, just like the fans.

 

Also, lol at those SS fans talking about Sasuke standing under a cherry blossom tree. The second I saw the screen shots I knew they would go crazy.( after all, they're used to the scraps on the floor.) And they also ignore, the fact the Naruto, was shown in front of cherry blossoms, Madara and Gai were fighting with cherry blossoms surrounding them, and Minato, Kakashi, Rin, and Obito were shown with cherry blossoms around them.( just because they're flower petals, does not mean they automatically connect to shipping.)

I don't think they decided this when they heard that everybody was insulting Naruto, because we could already see Bolt acting like this in chapter 700...their plan just went wrong ! 

 

I first thought it was a reference to SS ...then I remembered that since it is spring time, they surely used the cherry blossoms for this (but it was still strange to show Sasuke under a cherry blossom...when before this we see Sakura surrounded by water and Kakashi by his raikiri  ) 

[redrose3443]

I don't think they decided this when they heard that everybody was insulting Naruto, because we could already see Bolt acting like this in chapter 700...their plan just went wrong ! 

 

I first thought it was a reference to SS ...then I remembered that since it is spring time, they surely used the cherry blossoms for this (but it was still strange to show Sasuke under a cherry blossom...when before this we see Sakura surrounded by water and Kakashi by his raikiri  ) 

I know they were already leaning towards it, but since popularity does seem to effect this series. They might push the Naruto hate more than they were planning to in the beginning.

 

And yeah, I forgot, sicne it's spring the odds of cherry blossoms being used were high.( I also felt they were very out of place with his character and actions.)

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think what made it worse is that Naruto came back from a speech to his own son, yet here we are, Bolt at it again. So...did we just retcon it?

[Gaara's hair]

I think what made it worse is that Naruto came back from a speech to his own son, yet here we are, Bolt at it again. So...did we just retcon it?

I thought he just said go *beep* yourself

What a rebellious boy. How dare he not listen to dear old dad

[ichigo500]

I know they were already leaning towards it, but since popularity does seem to effect this series. They might push the Naruto hate more than they were planning to in the beginning.

 

And yeah, I forgot, sicne it's spring the odds of cherry blossoms being used were high.( I also felt they were very out of place with his character and actions.)

Aaaah okay ! Then I agree with you !

Anyway, they can do whatever they want, that will never be enough to bring back the Naruto fans ! 

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

April 3 has come to Japan.be ready for Sakura to break the Genis world record of her constantly "Sasuke-kooning" 100 times in the novel.

[TouKen4Life3g]

April 3 has come to Japan.be ready for Sakura to break the Genis world record of her constantly "Sasuke-kooning" 100 times in the novel.

Lol. It's pretty amazing that they couldn't do it justice with the novel. This whole part 3 is just used for what is it to be like as a son of the protagonist or whatever.

[HuskyLover]

Hinata is a Great Mother too.

 

Letting her precious burrito cause mischief in the village while she's at home knitting scarfs 

[Gaara's hair]

Hinata is a Great Mother too.

 

Letting her precious burrito cause mischief in the village while she's at home knitting scarfs 

Of course, she's already proven that knitting scarves is more important than family.