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[Beastbomb]

I would love it too

Ditto

[Baguette]

It depends on how Kishi handles it but knowing his track record I don't trust him. Of course it's just my opinion if people are happy with the way things have been developed good for them, who am I to try to change their outlook.
Aboit Hinata it's again just my opinion but I don't see why she deserved more attention, she's a flat boring one dimensional character. Neji would have deserved this attention instead of killing him like a fodder just so Hinata can get her moment to shine, Lee deserves it too. Hinata doesn't deserve it more than any other characters it's just that she is a popular character and Kishi gave her fans some FS which is a shame, an author shouldn't let his fans command his writing but still that's what happened and it was bad.

I feel as if I'm about to start another fire, but why do so many people here say that Hinata is flat and one-dimensional? Is it just the NS shipper inside them talking? Is it the NH fandom pissing them off?
Honestly, in my opinion Hinata is one of the better developed supporting characters in the series.

Edited by Baguette, 31 March 2013 - 12:41 AM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Yare yare...

A lot of people seemed depressed after my absence because of the latest Naruto cover.
I understand but, if you believed that NS would be canon, isn't it a bit too late to change your opinion ?
Some people are forgetting important things, and becoming like those Hinata fans who don't want to hear anything else about the previous events in the manga.
Just ask yourself those questions before crying about NS being not canon :


- Why did Kishimoto made Yamato's speech ?
- Why all this mess about Sakura's unknown feelings that aren't been releaved yet ?
- Is there any moment where we see Naruto asking himself about his feelings for Sakura, when we know even Sai's says that he's madly in love with her ?
- How do you interpretate Hinata's speech when she said she'll stop chasing after him when the war will be over ?
- Did Naruto confess to Sakura in the manga ?

You can't be realistic right now, because there is nothing clear. I know sometimes Kishimoto can be a bad writer and can't give logical answers like Rinnegan's gift of Madara too Nagato (he was supposed to give it just before his death, wich isn't true, cause he's always alive when Obito comes to him), or like Naruto has been doing for the third time his final test to become Genin when he is in the same class as Sasuke and Sakura who has the same age as him... but, to make a NH, it is really a big deal, cause Kishimoto gave the opportunity to change Sakura's feelings.
Why would he stay fine with Sakura being in love with Sasuke when he started to create new feelings for her ? What's the point for an author ?

He's presents Sakura as a girl who doesn't like Naruto, and who is madly in love with Sasuke. Next, he tries to create new feelings, and describing them as UNKNOWN UNTIL NOW.
And than you guys think that he just says the way it was in first part ?

This make no sense, because he didn't make any developpement to support this scenario.
I know evryone has his own right to give up, but please, if you still want a NS, please, just don't worry.
Next moment, I'm sure of it, will be canon.

Don't you see why Kishimoto is waiting so long to :

- make Naruto's confession for Sakura
- finish Sakura developpement, and give us a final answer about her uknown feelings for Naruto



Because you guys saw the official cover with Naruto holding Hinata's hand and gave a romantic interpretation, it's over ?
Well, if it is... so be it. But until now, to me, it's just the beginning before NH ending story...

That really is a majure plothole but there is a possible sollution. Could it be that Naruto started before them? I mean hes an orphan with no parents or legal guardians why not send him to the academy 3 years early. It will give him something to do. But thats probably it and its still a plothole

I liked the post, gj

@Baquette

Da fq? Based on what? She has like 50 panels of total screen time. Sorry but that statement shocked me. Please elaborate.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 31 March 2013 - 12:43 AM.

[Awes9]

I feel as if I'm about to start another fire, but why do so many people here say that Hinata is flat and one-dimensional? Is it just the NS shipper inside them talking? Is it the NH fandom pissing them off?
Honestly, in my opinion Hinata is one of the better developed supporting characters in the series.

I don't care about NS since some time and even less about the NH fandom they are no worse than the NS fandom. No it's just that 99% of Hinata's dialogue consists of Naruto kun, I don't blame her tough she is wasted potential but I don't want to see this wasted potential too much in the manga when there are far more interesting characters.

[Sojobo]

Honestly, in my opinion Hinata is one of the better developed supporting characters in the series.

Of the female characters, probably, but of the whole supporting wharacters ? Hell, no way. O_O
Shikamaru has better developpement. An important role at the Chuunin exam, an important role in the "getting Sasukes back" arc in part 1, a whole arc for him alone against Akatsuki in part 2, and a lot of screentime in the war arc.

This is way better than

- Have a fight against Neji without any impact on the story
- One chapter for her sacrifice against Pain
- And a lot of screen time in War arc


She has good developpement for a side character, I agree, but not the best one.

Edited by Sojobo, 31 March 2013 - 12:52 AM.

[Beastbomb]

I feel as if I'm about to start another fire, but why do so many people here say that Hinata is flat and one-dimensional? Is it just the NS shipper inside them talking? Is it the NH fandom pissing them off?
Honestly, in my opinion Hinata is one of the better developed supporting characters in the series.

when she gains confidence for herself , then i'll say she has surpassed the one-dimensional status

Edited by Beastbomb, 31 March 2013 - 12:52 AM.

[HauntedCake]

I deleted that when SOPA was a big deal. I didn't want to get hit with any copyright infringements.

I was considering making a post on here, actually, that's similar to the Build Up video - with all of the panels of NaruSaku from Part One onward. Would everyone like that?

Yes please Slex. Lol create a NS bible

@Bageutte - Sorry bro can't agree that shes a developed character outside of "Naruto-kun". I'm sounding harsh but Naruto has carried her development single handedly

Edited by HauntedCake, 31 March 2013 - 12:51 AM.

[Branden]

I deleted that when SOPA was a big deal. I didn't want to get hit with any copyright infringements.

I was considering making a post on here, actually, that's similar to the Build Up video - with all of the panels of NaruSaku from Part One onward. Would everyone like that?

I believe everyone here is in full support of that. Go for it

[Baguette]

@Baquette

Da fq? Based on what? She has like 50 panels of total screen time. Sorry but that statement shocked me. Please elaborate.

Well, it's up to the accuser to prove a character guilty of being flat and one-dimensional.
Mind listing few specific reasons as to why you guys feel that way about her?

Of the female characters, probably, but of the whole supporting wharacters ? Hell, no way. O_O
Shikamaru has better developpement. An important role at the Chuunin exam, an important role in the "getting Sasukes back" arc in part 1, a whole arc for him alone against Akatsuki in part 2, and a lot of screentime in the war arc.

This is way better than

- Have a fight against Neji without any impact on the story
- One chapter for her sacrifice against Pain
- And a lot of screen time in War arc


She has good developpement for a side character, I agree, but not the best one.

Which is why I said "better" and not "best."
And going back to the statement that, "Hinata only gets development because she's a popular character " Could the same not be said for the development of Shikamaru himself, given that he has also been a popular character among fans from the start?

Edited by Baguette, 31 March 2013 - 01:11 AM.

[Beastbomb]

Well, it's up to the accuser to prove a character guilty of being flat and one-dimensional.
Mind listing few specific reasons as to why you guys feel that way about her?

I see/saw two major flaws about Hinata excluding the Naruto fangirl. One was her lack of confidence in herself. The second was her shyness. For a character to grow out of a one-dimensional character, they must be able to overcome these flaws. Sakura has, which has made her a well-rounded character. As i see it, hinata has only gotten over her shyness do to chp 615. So she is close to becoming a more rounded character. But, kishi has yet to show her have courage or self confidence without the assistance of Naruto wether it be encouragemnet or just his mere presence. when Hinata is able to gain confidence without the assitance of Naruto, I will say she is a well-rounded and developed character because she overcame her two fatal flaws.

Edited by Beastbomb, 31 March 2013 - 01:10 AM.

[Awes9]

Well, it's up to the accuser to prove a character guilty of being flat and one-dimensional.
Mind listing few specific reasons as to why you guys feel that way about her?

Look I don't want to make a debate about Hinata so that will be short.
Flat and boring : personal perception
One dimensional : Naruto kun, Naruto kun, Naruto kun and some more Naruto kun in case you missed it. This consists of Hinata's majority of dialogue.

[Inferno180]

Hinata is decent, just that same way Kishi could have given Sakura more fights, he always stashed Hinata away for like 50+ chapters save the chunin exams which is the only arc so far she played a more involved role.

On a side note, yeah that video slex could make would be great. Then again, I'm pretty sure all of us know the paring inside and out, but that would still be neat.

[Awes9]

Well, it's up to the accuser to prove a character guilty of being flat and one-dimensional.
Mind listing few specific reasons as to why you guys feel that way about her?


Which is why I said "better" and not "best."
And going back to the statement that, "Hinata only gets development because she's a popular character " Could the same not be said for the development of Shikamaru himself, given that he has also been a popular character among fans from the start?

So because Shika got development because he was popular that jistifies Hinata getting development because she is popular too ? Wouldn't it be better if the one to decide who gets development is the author only ? Although in Shika's case Kishi has always admitted he was fond of his character so your comparison doesn't work.

Edited by Awes9, 31 March 2013 - 01:24 AM.

[Beastbomb]

Let me take a gues Baguette. Are you taking suggestions on why Hinata is a one-dimensional character because your debating someone right now? You do debate a lot on Narutobase.

Edited by Beastbomb, 31 March 2013 - 01:28 AM.

[Baguette]

I see/saw two major flaws about Hinata excluding the Naruto fangirl. One was her lack of confidence in herself. The second was her shyness. For a character to grow out of a one-dimensional character, they must be able to overcome these flaws. Sakura has, which has made her a well-rounded character. As i see it, hinata has only gotten over her shyness do to chp 615. So she is close to becoming a more rounded character. But, kishi has yet to show her have courage or self confidence without the assistance of Naruto wether it be encouragemnet or just his mere presence. when Hinata is able to gain confidence without the assitance of Naruto, I will say she is a well-rounded and developed character because she overcame her two fatal flaws.

Lack of confidence, sure, that's something that she should grow past as part of her development, but why is a shy personality considered a flaw? Do we also consider Sakura's aggressive personality and violent tendencies a flaw, when it's just another part of her inherent character design- as with Hinata?
As to her development relying on Naruto, does that not hold true for many characters in the series?

Neji- it was because of Naruto that he got over his deep-rooted hatred for the main clan and came to believe that one could control their own destiny. Neji repeatedly reinforces the fact that Naruto changed him, first during the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, and then again upon his death. Naruto is the reason he became the person he is today.

Sakura- it was because of Naruto that she gained the motivation to work harder and be able to help her allies. Even now, much of her upcoming development revolves around her wanting to something to help Naruto in a meaningful way. Naruto is the reason that she overcame uselessness and became the kunoichi she is today.

With Hinata it's the same thing- it was because of Naruto that she was able to start overcoming her confidence issues and find the courage to stand up for herself. Naruto has been her moral support throughout the series, and Ch.615 turns things around by making her the one to morally support Naruto and help bring him out of his slump. How is this bad development in any way?

Look I don't want to make a debate about Hinata so that will be short.
Flat and boring : personal perception
One dimensional : Naruto kun, Naruto kun, Naruto kun and some more Naruto kun in case you missed it. This consists of Hinata's majority of dialogue.

That's being a bit biased and selective. It would be like saying:
Sakura is one dimensional because: Sasuke kun, Sasuke kun, Sasuke kun, and more Sasuke kun in case you missed it.
We're not bashing Sakura just because she is still infatuated with Sasuke, are we?

So because Shika got development because he was popular that jistifies Hinata getting development because she is popular too ? Wouldn't it be better if the one to decide who gets development is the author only ? Although in Shika's case Kishi has always admitted he was fond of his character so your comparison doesn't work.

And are you saying that just because he is not fond of Hinata (which you can't prove), that he should not give her development?

Let me take a gues Baguette. Are you taking suggestions on why Hinata is a one-dimensional character because your debating someone right now? You do debate a lot on Narutobase.

No, I genuinely want to defend Hinata. The way she's treated around here is almost like an equivalent of how Sakura is treated on sites such as NF and NB.

Edited by Baguette, 31 March 2013 - 01:47 AM.

[HauntedCake]

That's being a bit biased and selective. It would be like saying:
Sakura is one dimensional because: Sasuke kun, Sasuke kun, Sasuke kun, and more Sasuke kun in case you missed it.
We're not bashing Sakura just because she is still infatuated with Sasuke, are we?

Bolded: i Dont think this is true anymore, and it hasn't been the case for a long time.

Part 1 it was as true as can be and up to when they first reunite with Sasuke this was also true. But after that first meeting with Sasuke, she no longer obessed over him.

I don't think it's infactuation at all anymore and it hasn't been for a long time.

Edited by HauntedCake, 31 March 2013 - 01:49 AM.

[Baguette]

Bolded: i Dont think this is true anymore, and it hasn't been the case for a long time.

Part 1 it was atrue as can be and up to when they first reunite with Sasuke this was also true. But after that first meeting with Sasuke, she no longer obessed over him.

I don't think it's infactuation at all anymore and it hasn't been for a long time.

That's kind of my point. Both statements are untrue and are written through skewed views of Sakura and Hinata.
Neither of them are constantly obsessed with the people they love.

[Beastbomb]

Lack of confidence, sure, that's something that she should grow past as part of her development, but why is a shy personality considered a flaw? Do we also consider Sakura's aggressive personality and violent tendencies a flaw, when it's just another part of her inherent character design- as with Hinata?
As to her development relying on Naruto, does that not hold true for many characters in the series?

Neji- it was because of Naruto that he got over his deep-rooted hatred for the main clan and came to believe that one could control their own destiny. Neji repeatedly reinforces the fact that Naruto changed him, first during the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, and then again upon his death. Naruto is the reason he became the person he is today.

Sakura- it was because of Naruto that she gained the motivation to work harder and be able to help her allies. Even now, much of her upcoming development revolves around her wanting to something to help Naruto in a meaningful way. Naruto is the reason that she overcame uselessness and became the kunoichi she is today.

With Hinata it's the same thing- it was because of Naruto that she was able to overcome her confidence issues and find the courage to stand up for herself. Naruto has been her moral support throughout the series, and Ch.615 turns things around by making her the one to morally support Naruto and help bring him out of his slump. How is this bad development in any way?

I never said it was bad development...

Its not that fact that she is shy. Shes to shy. Her inability to interact with Naruto is more like fear than being shy. Maybe I should have been more specific and stated her shyness around Naruto and how it affects her actions. So basically I should just say her other flaw is Naruto not so much shyness.

Major contradiction right there.

Edited by Beastbomb, 31 March 2013 - 01:53 AM.

[Baguette]

I never said it was bad development...

Its not that fact that she is shy. Shes to shy. Her inability to interact with Naruto is more like fear than being shy. Maybe I should have been more specific and stated her shyness around Naruto and how it affects her actions. So basically I should just say her other flaw is Naruto not so much shyness.

Bolded: Sorry, that's directed more towards people here in general who dislike her development in 615.

By the same standards, Sakura is also afflicted with inability to act around Sasuke. And by this I'm not referring to her fangirling around him, but rather such events as the Kage Summit reunion. Sakura's feelings for Sasuke affected her actions negatively in that she was unable to carry out her resolution to kill him. She let her emotions put her into damsel in distress role (for the second time in one fight, mind you), and would have gotten herself killed if Naruto had not saved her.
Why do we not dislike Sakura for her deadly flaw involving Sasuke, which is arguably many times worse than Hinata's flaw of being shy around Naruto?

Edited by Baguette, 31 March 2013 - 02:04 AM.

[Beastbomb]

Bolded: Sorry, that's directed more towards people here in general who dislike her development in 615.

By the same standards. Sakura is also afflicted with inability to act around Sasuke. And by this I'm not referring to her fangirling around him, but rather such events as the Kage Summit reunion. Sakura's feelings for Sasuke affected her actions negatively in that she was unable to carry out her resolution to kill him. She let her emotions put her into damsel in distress role (for the second time in one fight, mind you), and would have gotten herself killed if Naruto had not saved her.
Why do we not dislike Sakura for her deadly flaw involving Sasuke?

I can agree. But that's the only major flaw I see about her any more. She has resolved so many over part one and part two. Examples: wanting to get stronger to help Naruto, Changing her views about Naruto himself, finding greater confidence in her abilities as a ninja (Chunin Exams), and more. Once Sakura gets over Sasuke, she will probably have complete character development (although I believe loving Naruto would be complete development if done right). Hinata hasn't been given many flaws to overcome do to her being a side chracter. That's why I belive that for her character to become a well-rounded character, she must overcome all of her character flaws instead most of them like Sakura has.

Edited by Beastbomb, 31 March 2013 - 02:09 AM.