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[PhenixElite]

I agree. The moment of Naruto's greatest need is not yet upon him, and we don't know for sure what form that need will take.

Even if Sasuke is ultimately redeemed in the technical sense, I believe it's possible Naruto will still face some kind of serious crisis of acceptance where Sasuke is concerned. But however Kishimoto decides to shape the final events, my expectation is that Sakura will not be standing between the two guys so much as she will be standing with Naruto.



I agree with this, too. The confession was frustrating because it poured fuel on the NS fire, and managed to raise as many questions as it answered. But in my opinion that's what made it great. If everything had been resolved back then, neat and tidy, there would have been less tension throughout the rest of the manga -- especially in the final Team 7 showdown.

As kirabook has pointed out countless times, very little manga time has passed since Sakura's confession -- since we saw Naruto's elated and hopeful expression when he first heard Sakura say she loved him. I've said this before and I'll say it again: Sakura's confession proved Naruto's feelings for her. He loves her, and he wants her to love him. The look on his face was unmistakeable. As plain as day. And when Sakura said, "If you don't like me then just say so!!" he didn't deny it. He loves her, and in manga time that happened only a short time ago.

The fact that Naruto argued that Sakura still loves Sasuke has no bearing on his own love for Sakura. In fact it is a reflection of his love for her. He still believes she loves Sasuke, and he didn't want her lying to herself about it. Not to mention it was easier for Naruto to believe she was lying to herself than it was for him to accept that even she could or would be willing to give up on Sasuke. Naruto is more sensitive to people giving up on Sasuke than he is to the feelings of his own heart.

The fact that Naruto accepts Sakura's love for Sasuke, and in a sad display of selflessness ends up championing it himself during the confession, doesn't mean he has given up on his feelings for Sakura. Naruto has always known of and accepted Sakura's love for Sasuke. The confession didn't make that better or worse. It is what it is. Naruto is not that easily changed.

And that's why the fact that Naruto accepts Sakura's love for Sasuke does not make his heart free for Hinata. His heart has belonged to Sakura in the past, and at this point he still loves her. As I said, that's the one clear takeaway from Sakura's confession, and we have not seen a single moment -- in thought, word, or deed -- to indicate Naruto considers Hinata as anything more than a friend and peer.



Exactly. I wrote an entire post about this (found here) before, so I don't want to go over it again.

I honestly don't get why so many NS fans are (a) so impatient, and (b) so upset about Hinata. If you slow down and calmly look at all the details in context -- and within the scope of the entire manga -- you can see that:

+ Sasuke is still off in his own world, without consideration for the feelings of Naruto or Sakura.
+ Sakura is even more confused by her conflicting feelings for Sasuke and Naruto, although she has chosen Naruto as her top priority.
+ Hinata still loves Naruto despite not really knowing him or having spent much time with him, and in the absence of any reciprocation on his part.
+ Naruto still loves Sakura despite his belief that she still loves Sasuke.

I realize I can't convince anyone who now doubts Kishimoto, the story's direction, or Sakura's characterization, but I honestly don't see it myself. I totally believe Kishimoto has NS and Sakura's development on hold because the story is focused elsewhere at the moment. It's not permanent. He's going to come back to it.

After all, Team 7 and its complex issues was one of the very first things he set up in the story. The complexity is based not just on the skill / acknowledgement / need to prove themselves rivalry that existed for each of them -- and very keenly between Naruto and Sasuke -- but the fact that Sakura is a component of the dynamic between Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto's feelings for Sakura puts her right smack in the middle, and his feelings for her won't be resolved until his rivalry with Sasuke is resolved. I think it's super unrealistic to fear that Naruto will lose that rivalry -- and the girl he loves with it.

Just because the focus is currently on Hokage flashbacks doesn't mean that the war arc and everything that's happened in it has ceased to exist, right? The war is still there, waiting to regain focus. It's the same with Sakura's role in the story, and the resolution for NS. We just have to wait for it.

And THIS is exactly what im thinking. Good job!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

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Confession - Caused a huge character regression for Sakura.

Well i disagree the confession did things that Sakura would realize only if she did not love Sasuke anymore, NS had a big step and also improved her character a bit.

Sakura acknowledged Naruto as the man that makes her feel safe, encouraged her, was at her side and makes her happy, the rest she lied but on this part she was honest she basically said all those things were enough for her, she was already content and happy to be with a man that did all those things to her despite having feelings for someome else, also showed that she wasnt selfish, she wasnt doing that only for Naruto her motivation was the team 7, she had to do something for both Naruto and Sasuke but most importantly for Naruto, now think if she killed Sasuke she would basically save the whole world and Kishi put Sasuke on an huge pedestal that even if Naruto defeats Obito/Madara his victory would be meaningless just because of Sasuke.

Naruto saving Sakura - Assuming you mean when they met Sasuke, I did like this one.
Sakura smiling at unsconcious Naruto - Far too miner to be a "moment" in my eyes.

That moment was crucial the thing that drive her to do that was the fact that she thought she was only a burden to Naruto and make him suffer she thought she was an horrible person and after seeing Naruto's happy she felt that she wasnt a burden and most importantly she wasnt horrible.
This also drove her to be way more gentle to Naruto, combined with the confession.

I don't understand what you mean by "She was always at Naruto's side the entire manga when she's not on 615... It's the same thinking when 615 came and the NH "ROFL KISHIMOTO IS A NARUHINA FAN"." Care to clarify?

I said is that because of 615 NH fans claim that Kishimoto is a NaruHina supporter.

That's not good development, and certainly not one befitting of a character who is supposed to be strong and independent. No matter what it always comes down to Sasuke-kun and I can't stand that.

She was strong and independent until she faced the reality that she could not help Naruto with the power she had, this happened on the bridge arc, she see Naruto struggling and could do nothing and then Naruto/Sai/Yamato being raped by Sasuke and she could do nothing again then Naruto was struggling because he felt weak and could not defeat Sasuke, and Sakura mostly cried because she could do nothing during the whole mission.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 March 2013 - 12:09 AM.

[rikakim94]

Tell me about it. It`s almost as bad as when the 64 volume came out. On that day you guys actaully managed to depress with the lack of positive attitute.
Now that I got that out of my system. I will attempt to start a topic about how great Sakura is and how sweet the way Naruto is protecting her is. Im sure the topic will get over run by negative walls of text but I tried.

Here it goes:

Isn`t Sakura great. And I think the way Naruto is always protecting her is really sweet.



I urge people to contribute to this discussion so we can bring some happiness to this topic.

Sadly i agree with both of ever since the cover volume 64 came out almost everyone has been depressing themselves to death.

If people really hate the direction with manga lately then drop the manga for good i knew a naruto fan dropped the manga but it didn't depressed him to death. He went on with his life.

also the debate thread needs to have a balance of negative and positive having one taking over the other isn't to good.

for me going on a hiatus on this website will be good break.

Edited by rikakim94, 31 March 2013 - 12:06 AM.

[Beastbomb]

By telling everyone to cheer up, you're assuming everyone is down in the first place. That is the problem here.

Just because I'm being critical does not mean I'm sad, mad, anxious, worried, or anything else 'negative' you can imagine. I quite like this pairing obviously, but I can still take a step back and look at it from all angles without some emotion being attached to it. The most I feel now a days is disappointment and that will never go away. But being disappointed does not mean I'm not hopeful or that I give up.

There are 100's of other threads dedicated to all that is Holy about NS. They aren't very hard to find and users don't have to come to the DEBATE thread to find reassurance in a pairing they like. In a debate, you are going up against other peoples' ideals and discussing your own. There are normally many sides in a debate and it's unfair to try and restrict other sides of a debate because they're 'negative'.
I'm not sure where people got the idea that the debate thread should be the 'happiest' thread on the forum.

So it's bad for me to cheer up those who are feeling down do to someone analyzing the manga to critically. So now I'm in thew wrong for trying to help improve the mood.

Bolded: When did I do this. I sure didn't do anything like this.

[StriderC]

I haven't seen any attacking. Nobody's been attacked, but when someone begins going against your position, you feel like being attacked. I could tell just by the post where you mentioned PhenixElite's viewpoint that contradicts yours.

Link me to my post where I supposedly felt I was being attacked.

Also, why are you constantly talking about cheering people up? That's NOT what she's talking about at all. You're not getting the point of her post obviously...

Also, I feel like one of the problems here is MISCOMMUNICATION since obviously some people don't even understand the point of certain posts, or what a person is trying to say...

Edited by StriderC, 31 March 2013 - 12:08 AM.

[Beastbomb]

LOL When I say, "I don't want her to leave his side", I mean I don't want her to go elsewhere. Not to Tsunade and basically getting yanked from her word, or anything of that sort. She isn't clingy anyway. She hasn't been clingy since she's gotten there. She's doing what she needs to do, and hopefully that gets pushed up quite high. I mainly want her to shine on her own in general. I'm a Sakura fan before I'm a NS fan.

Kirabook

Sounds about right. I remember him saying something like this before when I was talking to him. He's content with her just being there for Naruto and being his prize. Don't deny it Phenix!! . ; I'm definitely not though. LOL Me and him have a different views on the heroine of the series.

You know what, nevermind. I was wrong. . Glanced over the post. I apoligize.

I understand Kira's point. I was trying to bring this forum to a differnent topic because of a post I brought after it to get others viewpoints. But she decided to focus on the one where i tried to lighten things up abit.

Ughh. I need to cool down a little bit. I was a little fired up after her post about reading a manga critically.

Edited by Beastbomb, 31 March 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[StriderC]

You know what, neverminnd. I was wrong. . Glanced over the post. I apoligize.

LOL It's cool. I was saying there that basically, he may enjoy and be content with what's going on, but not everyone should or has to. I'm not content with how Sakura has been handled throughout the story but if people do, that's totally fine. ^^

[Fenris]

Last year the same thing happened when RtN was announced, everyone thought it was Pro-NH.
The movie came out, and it's totally in our favor.

We just gotta wait things out.

To me, this is just the stage of Hinata's development. The fans like her, so Kishi's throwing them a bone.

I highly doubt Naruto, who has loved Sakura since the beginning of the manga, after loads of development, and Sakura falling for Naruto; he'd suddenly just switch to Hinata because she's getting a bit of development.

He did say that each character would be getting their own development. And especially since Hinata's well liked, it doesn't surprise me she's getting some attention.

Naruto and Sakura have been the endgame couple since chapter 3. There's evidence of that. Any of the Pro NS posts + videos full of of proof prove that.

[StriderC]

Last year the same thing happened when RtN was announced, everyone thought it was Pro-NH.
The movie came out, and it's totally in our favor.

We just gotta wait things out.

To me, this is just the stage of Hinata's development. The fans like her, so Kishi's throwing them a bone.

I highly doubt Naruto, who has loved Sakura since the beginning of the manga, after loads of development, and Sakura falling for Naruto; he'd suddenly just switch to Hinata because she's getting a bit of development.

He did say that each character would be getting their own development. And especially since Hinata's well liked, it doesn't surprise me she's getting some attention.

Naruto and Sakura have been the endgame couple since chapter 3. There's evidence of that. Any of the Pro NS posts + videos full of of proof prove that.

I'm definitely not losing faith in NS, but I care less about couples at this point due to the lack of NS development or even Sakura development. The wait has been unbearableeeee. LOL I can't wait much longer to be honest. T_T haha

[Inferno180]

We all have to just get over the 64 volume cover, we know what that moment means, its short, soon as Hinata burst into fire I guess we can say, he moves onto the others for the plan.

I'm betting months (maybe a year or so) from now after more chapters have come by, we will get some cover for team 7, not impossible for one to be NaruSaku now is it?

Seriously, just looking back at all NaruSaku and all NaruHina, that's enough to reassure my confidence in NaruSaku. We only need more stuff to come, we are just getting inpatient due to so much forced Hinata, and a lack of Naruto and Sakura interaction, its not going to be like this forever. In some cases, its even more appropriate for them to not be interacting right now. Until then, we should not even make a fuss, yes NH can start as of now or just be rushed in the end, but thats still an 'IF' so is ours, as I said many times, there are many reasons for the story in Naruto loving Sakura for just plain logic, structure, and character consistency, same for Sakura, she cannot just stay stuck on Sasuke, she will change in some way for the end. We can make these arguments and still stand by them along with whenever we see Sakura again. Its insane to think Sakura will just be stashed away. I believe Sakura will get development on her own and with Naruto again, she has too, definitely when Sasuke enters the picture again. Sasuke can ironically be thought of as the savior of NaruSaku long as he can keep turning Sakura away

Hinata cannot be force fed to us forever, that would be just as bad for many other reasons, just like the story arguments(related to structure, pace, consistency, etc) which enforce Naruto still loving Sakura and Sakura turning away from Sasuke, there are also arguments which explain why it would be damaging and harmful to the story if things like NH went on to develop further, being continually force fed Hinata, how it would damage Naruto's character, cause a lot of harm to Sakura, even risk Hinata's role if you could not believe it, overall it would be very risky and damaging to the story. These exist, they still do, I can explain them, and this is not baised either, its based on just plain logic from what many can see in the series but either easily miss, choose to ignore, or never even consider.

[Branden]

Last year the same thing happened when RtN was announced, everyone thought it was Pro-NH.
The movie came out, and it's totally in our favor.

We just gotta wait things out.

To me, this is just the stage of Hinata's development. The fans like her, so Kishi's throwing them a bone.

I highly doubt Naruto, who has loved Sakura since the beginning of the manga, after loads of development, and Sakura falling for Naruto; he'd suddenly just switch to Hinata because she's getting a bit of development.

He did say that each character would be getting their own development. And especially since Hinata's well liked, it doesn't surprise me she's getting some attention.

Naruto and Sakura have been the endgame couple since chapter 3. There's evidence of that. Any of the Pro NS posts + videos full of of proof prove that.

I believe Slextrem had a great video of that called "the build up" which for some reason mysteriously vanished one day.... I never did find out why...

Edited by Branden, 31 March 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[Slextrem]

I believe Slextrem had a great video of that called "the build up" which for some reason mysteriously vanished one day.... I never did find out why...

I deleted that when SOPA was a big deal. I didn't want to get hit with any copyright infringements.

I was considering making a post on here, actually, that's similar to the Build Up video - with all of the panels of NaruSaku from Part One onward. Would everyone like that?

Edited by Slextrem, 31 March 2013 - 12:23 AM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Last year the same thing happened when RtN was announced, everyone thought it was Pro-NH.
The movie came out, and it's totally in our favor.

We just gotta wait things out.

To me, this is just the stage of Hinata's development. The fans like her, so Kishi's throwing them a bone.

I highly doubt Naruto, who has loved Sakura since the beginning of the manga, after loads of development, and Sakura falling for Naruto; he'd suddenly just switch to Hinata because she's getting a bit of development.

He did say that each character would be getting their own development. And especially since Hinata's well liked, it doesn't surprise me she's getting some attention.

Naruto and Sakura have been the endgame couple since chapter 3. There's evidence of that. Any of the Pro NS posts + videos full of of proof prove that.

^^This.

Yes NH might happen, but why would it. Naruto loves a beautiful girl who is extremly kind can keep him in line, has been trough thick and thin with and most importantly is starting to fall for him.
All it takes at this point for NS to be cannon is a kiss or even handholding. They are that close. To an outside observer they could be dating an uninformed person wouldn`t know its not the case.
So why would Naruto in his right mind decide to trow that avay to date a girl that he had minimal interaction with. Yes she almost died for him 2 times but it still doesn`t change the fact they barely know eachother.

If there was a risk of NS not happening it would be SS but Sakura is not going down that road. She would not do that to Naruto and to herself. So I honestly cant see why people think NH may actually happen when its against reason. Naruto and Sakura are destined to be together.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 31 March 2013 - 12:24 AM.

[swagosaurus]

I deleted that when SOPA was a big deal. I didn't want to get hit with any copyright infringements.

I was considering making a post on here, actually, that's similar to the Build Up video - with all of the panels of NaruSaku from Part One onward. Would everyone like that?

I would LOVE that.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I would LOVE that.

I would love it too

[Fenris]

Would everyone like that?

Slextrem, that would be awesome.
I shall give you a virtual NS filled hug.

[rikakim94]

I deleted that when SOPA was a big deal. I didn't want to get hit with any copyright infringements.

I was considering making a post on here, actually, that's similar to the Build Up video - with all of the panels of NaruSaku from Part One onward. Would everyone like that?

yes please!

[Awes9]

Yes I think you can put something on hold just to come back and focus on that at the right time. We are still shown only an unfinished chapter. I mean look at the story now and how "nice" people are thinking of Tobirama. I find it very unproductive to pass judgement on an unfinished product but still hope it will somehow change.
It's an unfinished manga, this week you will be depressed because your favorite characters weren't even mentioned but you don't know what next week issue will be like.

It sucks that Sakura usually stays on the defensive/support role but isn't it her job? Didn't Kishi kinda made her the last line in the team? In part 1 while the others in the team rushed to face the enemy she stayed back. Of course that caused her to feel weaker than her team mates but she chose to learn healing which meant support others. I haven't seen her surpass Tsunade and this is what I want to see from her. But who knows maybe emotionally she will be a much bigger help for Naruto then before.

As for Hinata she deserved some attention, and chapter 615 along with the Path of Radiance one show that she achieved her goal that to hold Naruto's hand. And Neji didn't die just so Hinata can have her moment. We knew Neji was supposed to sacrifice himself for the main branch but he also succeeded in sacrificing for something he believed in.

It depends on how Kishi handles it but knowing his track record I don't trust him. Of course it's just my opinion if people are happy with the way things have been developed good for them, who am I to try to change their outlook.
Aboit Hinata it's again just my opinion but I don't see why she deserved more attention, she's a flat boring one dimensional character. Neji would have deserved this attention instead of killing him like a fodder just so Hinata can get her moment to shine, Lee deserves it too. Hinata doesn't deserve it more than any other characters it's just that she is a popular character and Kishi gave her fans some FS which is a shame, an author shouldn't let his fans command his writing but still that's what happened and it was bad.

[Slextrem]

Alrighty! I'll work on that tonight or tomorrow, maybe.

[Sojobo]

Yare yare...

A lot of people seems depressed after my absence because of the latest Naruto cover.
I understand but, if you believed that NS would be canon, isn't it a bit too late to change your opinion ?
Some people are forgetting important things, and becoming like those Hinata fans who don't want to hear anything else about the previous events in the manga.
Just ask yourself those questions before crying about NS being not canon :


- Why did Kishimoto made Yamato's speech ?
- Why all this mess about Sakura's unknown feelings that aren't been releaved yet ?
- Is there any moment where we see Naruto asking himself about his feelings for Sakura, when we know even Sai's says that he's madly in love with her ?
- How do you interpretate Hinata's speech when she said she'll stop chasing after him when the war will be over ?
- Did Naruto confess to Sakura in the manga ?

You can't be realistic right now, because there is nothing clear. I know sometimes Kishimoto can be a bad writer and can't give logical answers like Rinnegan's gift of Madara too Nagato (he was supposed to give it just before his death, wich isn't true, cause he's always alive when Obito comes to him), or like Naruto has been doing for the third time his final test to become Genin when he is in the same class as Sasuke and Sakura who has the same age as him... but, to make a NH, it is really a big deal, cause Kishimoto gave the opportunity to change Sakura's feelings.
Why would he stay fine with Sakura being in love with Sasuke when he started to create new feelings for her ? What's the point for an author ?

He's presents Sakura as a girl who doesn't like Naruto, and who is madly in love with Sasuke. Next, he tries to create new feelings, and describing them as UNKNOWN UNTIL NOW.
And than you guys think that he just wants the way it was in first part ?

This make no sense, because he didn't make any developpement to support this scenario.
I know evryone has his own right to give up, but please, if you still want a NS, please, just don't worry.
Next moment, I'm sure of it, will be canon.

Don't you see why Kishimoto is waiting so long to :

- make Naruto's confession for Sakura
- finish Sakura developpement, and give us a final answer about her uknown feelings for Naruto



Because you guys saw the official cover with Naruto holding Hinata's hand and gave a romantic interpretation, it's over ?
Well, if it is... so be it. But until now, to me, it's just the beginning before NH ending story...

Edited by Sojobo, 31 March 2013 - 12:40 AM.