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[Miss Soupy]

Yeah, his face cracked like a hollow mask would. Kinda weird that Aizen is hollow underneath, and Ichigo, as Ichithing, was human underneath.

[19maria9]

Bleach really can't end we still haven't seen the bankai of Yamamoto, Shinzui and Ukitake either and whether Kenpachi will ever release his shikai or zampkbatou for the matter.

Kenpachi doesn't know the name of his Zanpakuto, all he has is a monstrous spiritual Pressure, raw strength and hard to cut skin....IMO he's the weakest captain.

[Kyuudaime]

Kenpachi doesn't know the name of his Zanpakuto, all he has is a monstrous spiritual Pressure, raw strength and hard to cut skin....IMO he's the weakest captain.

Doesn't mean he may not eventually learn the name or it may just be given to us just so we can know.

And he's definitely not the weakest captain, how many other captains have you seen cut massive buildings with one swing of their sword? I don't think you realize the extent of his strength.

[KungFuTruffle]

Zaraki Kenpachi may not be the strongest Captain, but he's certainly not the weakest.

That title most likely belongs to Ukitake Juushirou, due to his chronic illness. Yes, he's powerful, but his physical condition is terrible.

[Dreamer]

Zaraki Kenpachi may not be the strongest Captain, but he's certainly not the weakest.

That title most likely belongs to Ukitake Juushirou, due to his chronic illness. Yes, he's powerful, but his physical condition is terrible.

How is he the weakest when we haven't seen his bankai? I think Mayuri is the weakest personally.

[Gravenimage]

I think Toshiro is the weakest captain but he has potential to become very strong with some hard training.

Edited by Gravenimage, 12 September 2010 - 01:57 AM.

[catsi563]

Id say Mayuri too for that matter. he only became Captain after Kisuke left, and he was beaten in battle by Uryu when Uryu didnt even understand or have the full extent of his powers. He beat Sayall Aporo But Aporo was arrogant and underestimated him.

Kenpachi lest we forget easilly took on and defeated two captains.

[19maria9]

Doesn't mean he may not eventually learn the name or it may just be given to us just so we can know.

And he's definitely not the weakest captain, how many other captains have you seen cut massive buildings with one swing of their sword? I don't think you realize the extent of his strength.

All captains can do something that another can't do. I do realize the extent of his strength but I doubt he could beat any other captain besides Tosen, maybe Toshiro. We haven't seen his bankai because he doesn't have one, when he gets one we can reexamine his strength but for now he's the weakest. Even if you want to go back to his Battle Data, he only has 390 while Mayuri has 430 I believe those are the lowest among all the captains. Just because he has amazing physical strength doesn't make him the strongest.

[Kyuudaime]

All captains can do something that another can't do. I do realize the extent of his strength but I doubt he could beat any other captain besides Tosen, maybe Toshiro. We haven't seen his bankai because he doesn't have one, when he gets one we can reexamine his strength but for now he's the weakest. Even if you want to go back to his Battle Data, he only has 390 while Mayuri has 430 I believe those are the lowest among all the captains. Just because he has amazing physical strength doesn't make him the strongest.

Didn't say that was the reason and if you think he's the weakest continue doing so. Personally, I think Mayuri is the weakest and the main reason for him being a captain is his intelligence. Even then, I'd also say Tosen and Hitsugaya. To say he's the weakest though because he doesn't have a bankai is a pretty weak arguement. Especially when it's him and Byakuya that are taking on Espada #0 (making a game out of it I might add) when Hitsugaya had a pretty hard time with #3.

And if Catsi is right, which I'm trying to remember the 2 captains he fought, then that just more or so proves he's not the weakest.

Edited by Shirosaki, 12 September 2010 - 01:56 AM.

[19maria9]

Didn't say that was the reason and if you think he's the weakest continue doing so. Personally, I think Mayuri is the weakest and the main reason for him being a captain is his intelligence. Even then, I'd also say Tosen and Hitsugaya. To say he's the weakest though because he doesn't have a bankai is a pretty weak arguement. Especially when it's him and Byakuya that are taking on Espada #0 (making a game out of it I might add) when Hitsugaya had a pretty hard time with #3.

Yammy was not the strong in the least. Number 0? Thats his own nonsense, do you think that Barragan couldn't have taken him out or even Grimmjow? Their evil, they lie. Its not just because he doesn't have a bankai, it just that all he has is Physical strength, all he has to do is breathe against Mayuri and he's dead. Ishida would have dead without Nemu's help. Mayuri also has Kido to help him whereas Kenpachi has none. Only his strength.
Kenpachi didn't beat Komanmura, only Tosen..Komamura brought out his bankai and they stopped.

IMO:
1. Yamamoto
2. Unohana
3. Shunsui
4. Byakuya
5. Ukitake
6. Soifon
7. Mayuri/Toshiro
9. Komamura
10. Kenpachi

[Miss Soupy]

I think either Koma or Hitsu would be the weakest. Mayuri would only be able to defeat Kenpachi if his reaitsu could overpower Kenpanchis. Because Kenpachis reaitsu is so dense, it stands to reason that he would be able to strike Mayuri before any of his poisons could reach him. And it would only take one strike to take him down most likely. Mayuri's strength is his intelligence, and if he had the ability to prepare ahead, he could possibly do much more damage by using other techniques. On a unprepared one on one though, I have to think Kenpachi would win.

Komamura's bankai to me is the weakest as it has no special abilities besides raw power and size. Hitsu has better abilities but less experience.

[Kyuudaime]

Yammy was not the strong in the least. Number 0? Thats his own nonsense, do you think that Barragan couldn't have taken him out or even Grimmjow? Their evil, they lie. Its not just because he doesn't have a bankai, it just that all he has is Physical strength, all he has to do is breathe against Mayuri and he's dead. Ishida would have dead without Nemu's help. Mayuri also has Kido to help him whereas Kenpachi has none. Only his strength.
Kenpachi didn't beat Komanmura, only Tosen..Komamura brought out his bankai and they stopped.

IMO:
1. Yamamoto
2. Unohana
3. Shunsui
4. Byakuya
5. Ukitake
6. Soifon
7. Mayuri/Toshiro
9. Komamura
10. Kenpachi

How is it his own nonsense? It was explained simply that when his power was released that he went from being the weakest to the strongest. Meaning that in regular form he's the weakest (compared to the others in regular form) and in his unleashed form he's the strongest.

My point is simple: Just because all he has is physical strength doesn't make him the weakest.
Hell, he even toyed around with the 5th espada by himself, until he decided to get serious and took him out with one attack.

[Dreamer]

Yeah if i'm not mistaken, Yammy will continue to grow and get stronger as long as he has rage. Which is the perfect opponent for pushing Kenpachi to the limit and learning his zan's name when he runs out of reaitsu. Something like Keni's zan:"perhaps now will you listen to me Kenpachi with your strength gone?"

Edited by Uzumakikage, 12 September 2010 - 03:01 AM.

[19maria9]

How is it his own nonsense? It was explained simply that when his power was released that he went from being the weakest to the strongest. Meaning that in regular form he's the weakest (compared to the others in regular form) and in his unleashed form he's the strongest.

My point is simple: Just because all he has is physical strength doesn't make him the weakest.
Hell, he even toyed around with the 5th espada by himself, until he decided to get serious and took him out with one attack.

It's his own nonsense because any one of the top 5 espada could defeat him, probably without releashing their second forms. Do you honestly believe he's the strongest? Just like the 7th Espada said he was the fastest or the 5th Espada said he had the hardest to cut skin. There is no proof. People lie all the time.
None of the Espada except for Yammy have numbers in their second forms. For all you know Stark could be -10. You yourself said Byakuya and Kenpachi were making a game out of it. Do you think they would be doing that if they were facing Barragan or Stark or Ulquiorra, or even Haillbel?

And if Yammy's so strong, why isn't he banned from going into his second form in las noches like the Top 4 espada?

[KungFuTruffle]

I'm of the opinion that Aizen and the other Espada just told Yammy he was number 0 as a prank, as nobody really likes him.

[Kyuudaime]

And if Yammy's so strong, why isn't he banned from going into his second form in las noches like the Top 4 espada?

Because he's a reckless moron? That's like asking why did Grimmjow used the grand rey cero when he wasn't supposed to.

@Kung Fu: While I have thought about it before, I don't think they'd have actually done that. xD

Tell me though, is Ichigo weak? He mostly just relies on pure swords fighting as well, he hardly uses the Getsuga as it is. So I guess going by your logic, he's comparable to the weakest of the captains.

Oh and yes, I do think they would have made a game out of it with most of the other Espada. They're competitive, not that hard to see.

But since you want to play mind games about how "for all I know Stark could be 10" I'll play it with you. For all you know, Yamamoto might be the 4th strongest captain and Unohana might be the absolute weakest. Oh and Komamaru is the strongest.

Edited by Shirosaki, 12 September 2010 - 04:46 AM.

[19maria9]

Because he's a reckless moron? That's like asking why did Grimmjow used the grand rey cero when he wasn't supposed to.

@Kung Fu: While I have thought about it before, I don't think they'd have actually done that. xD

Tell me though is Ichigo weak? He mostly just relies on pure swords fighting as well, he hardly uses the Getsuga as it is. So I guess going by your logic, he's comparable to the weakest of the captains.

Yes, Ichigo is weak. Anyone who has to go Bankai on anyone and everything is weak, just like Toshiro & Renji are weak.
If Yammy is strongest after he releases, but weakest before he releases, wouldn't that still make Stark the strongest? It makes sense that when he releases, he will be the strongest.

Ulquiorra stated when he revealed himself as the 4th Espada, that there were 3 other Espada "stronger than him".
If Yammy's so strong, why then did Aizen leave Hueco Mundo to Ulquoirra?

From what i've seen in Bleach the bigger the character is the weaker. Yammy is most likely pure strength and no speed.

[19maria9]

But since you want to play mind games about how "for all I know Stark could be 10" I'll play it with you. For all you know, Yamamoto might be the 4th strongest captain and Unohana might be the absolute weakest. Oh and Komamaru is the strongest.

That's the definition of a crack theory. Logic tells us Yamamoto is the strongest.

[Kyuudaime]

Obviously logic does tell us that, but I didn't realize you were on a roll of "crack theories".
That explains all of your posts.

[Dreamer]

Yes, Ichigo is weak. Anyone who has to go Bankai on anyone and everything is weak, just like Toshiro & Renji are weak.
If Yammy is strongest after he releases, but weakest before he releases, wouldn't that still make Stark the strongest? It makes sense that when he releases, he will be the strongest.

Ulquiorra stated when he revealed himself as the 4th Espada, that there were 3 other Espada "stronger than him".
If Yammy's so strong, why then did Aizen leave Hueco Mundo to Ulquoirra?

From what i've seen in Bleach the bigger the character is the weaker. Yammy is most likely pure strength and no speed.

I don't know Ichigo broke a level 90 kidou with a mere punch and cutted a mountain in half with only his brute strength.

Yammy feeds off of your anger.

Obviously logic does tell us that, but I didn't realize you were on a roll of "crack theories".
That explains all of your posts.

Must be.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 12 September 2010 - 07:58 AM.