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#14321 redragon88

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 11:42 AM

So here is what i gather from the western fandom for now :

 

What Sakura's doing now for Naruto she would have done it for anyone it's her job  , The Sakura and Karin parallel scene is just to show us that Naruto and Sasuke are really dying that's the meaning of the parallels  ,  Karin was the only one as sensor who can confirm the situation of Sasuke to her team and the audience that was her role she's has no importance than that   ,   Sakura display and growth regarding  Naruto is under the context of T7 she is his comrade and teammate that was her goal to save both Naruto and Sasuke , The next who she will save is Sasuke just you wait , Sasuke and Sakura still have much things that needs to be resolved whether we like it or not , Karin will not be important regarding Sasuke at all her role will end here , Sakura wanting to protect Naruto's dream doesn't mean a thing since of course she will want to because he's her best friend or like a brother to her so it's normal , CPR it's just that CPR it has no other meaning .

 

That's all i got for now and man do i want to laugh at this but suddenly wile typing this i got sad and the urge to cry :cry: .         

 

Deep kisu. :smug:



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:36 PM

 

Deep kisu. :smug:

Deep Kisu Indeed  :smexy: , Gotta love the Japanese fandom for that :lol:


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 01:06 PM

Deep Kissu - I like that!

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 01:22 PM

So here is what i gather from the western fandom for now :

 

What Sakura's doing now for Naruto she would have done it for anyone it's her job  , The Sakura and Karin parallel scene is just to show us that Naruto and Sasuke are really dying that's the meaning of the parallels  ,  Karin was the only one as sensor who can confirm the situation of Sasuke to her team and the audience that was her role she's has no importance than that   ,   Sakura display and growth regarding  Naruto is under the context of T7 she is his comrade and teammate that was her goal to save both Naruto and Sasuke , The next who she will save is Sasuke just you wait , Sasuke and Sakura still have much things that needs to be resolved whether we like it or not , Karin will not be important regarding Sasuke at all her role will end here , Sakura wanting to protect Naruto's dream doesn't mean a thing since of course she will want to because he's her best friend or like a brother to her so it's normal , CPR it's just that CPR it has no other meaning .

 

That's all i got for now and man do i want to laugh at this but suddenly wile typing this i got sad and the urge to cry :cry: .         

Whatever..let them be :shrug:

 

Don't let them ruin the party :banana:


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 01:32 PM

The one moment I'm waiting on is Sakura's reaction to narutos recovery. But hey to some fans who oppose ns, sakura could end up crying in joy and hug naruto or at least hug him even saying she was worried she almost lost him, and they would still call it 'sibling like love'

At this point anything can come and they would still hate her even when she reacts positively to her.

Right now to some fans, it's like sakura violated hinatas property basically, even as CPR which was a nessessity here, people are just upset for one reason, simply because it's sakura. Sakura is seen as an unholy heathen who violated the sacred naruto who was reserved for the goddess hinata.

Seriously there has been some ugly crap said about this event and some people are not thrilled at all, one fan said hinata made the most sense to go, she could have used the gentle palm and vibrated his heart and gave CPR without needing to open him up. Another person said sakura looked disgusted having to do this to naruto (when her eyes were looking at his chest to see if her actions were working). Really this is the kinda stuff that leaves lost casues out there, if they didn't like 631 and all the fallout that caused, they won't like this or anything ns related in the future. The biggest rage has yet to come but events for ns coming like this, it's not going to sit well with everyone.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 02:12 PM

Deep Kisu Indeed  :smexy: , Gotta love the Japanese fandom for that :lol:

 

Deep Kissu - I like that!

 

You got that right. NH/SS are just jealous that NS has deep kisu. :chuckle:



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 02:22 PM

To tell you guys and girls the truth the Sakura "haters" will probably stop hating her if something like this happens: If Sakura sacrifices her life to save Naruto and if possible have Hinata next to her and she tells Hinata to take care of Naruto give him the love that he deserves, the love that only Hinata can give him. If something like this happens most likely the hate will stop. Then the "haters" will say "Wow Sakura finally you actually did something truly useful in your life."


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 02:45 PM

Deep Kissu - I like that!

I bet Naruto likes it more as soon as he wakes up that is   :chuckle: .

 

Whatever..let them be :shrug:

 

Don't let them ruin the party :banana:

LIKE HELL I WILL LET THEM DO THAT  :hm: , I HAVE THE GREATEST NS PARTY OF MY LIFE  :party: .


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:37 PM

To tell you guys and girls the truth the Sakura "haters" will probably stop hating her if something like this happens: If Sakura sacrifices her life to save Naruto and if possible have Hinata next to her and she tells Hinata to take care of Naruto give him the love that he deserves, the love that only Hinata can give him. If something like this happens most likely the hate will stop. Then the "haters" will say "Wow Sakura finally you actually did something truly useful in your life."

 

One person was hoping Sakura died on Narutos birthday for him like Kushina and said it would be the best gift for naruto for her to die in his place, this really makes me sick. Part of me wants the next chapter or so just to get beyond this insane crap. I mean I could easily go on about how sakura dying makes many issues to the story and if there even needed to be a sacrifice, that it could be obito for reasons like he is already dying but dying is still alive, he was planning on going out anyways with a form of redemption, and basically considered his actions against madara to help everyone else as the hard choice, he considered just living to atone for his sins as the easy way out. Now fans just want Sakura to die and Obito to rot and just fall down and let him lose everything and madara gain it all. Obito is going to act against madara, let alone black zetsu, but I'm just saying this:

 

If Kishi decided to sacrifice someone as necessary for minato to transfer yin kurama to naruto, why should it be sakura? She has purpose with team 7, purpose in development this whole time? Why would he kill her off if she suddenly just about came to love him for a complete opposite effect of what we had seen in the start? Doesn't sacrificing obito make much more sense? To all these fans saying sakura may or those who just want her to die, did they not learn about this path of too much convenience before? Sakura dying for naruto right here just leaving things directly open for NH, its just too convenient, just too simple, just too easy. This case is even worse than when the open road theory existed of NS being dead in 469 and NH winning by 615 when there were so many things left unresolved, did people then not question back then after the land of iron Kushinas foreshadow came in? How nothing was built on NH when it was the perfect opportunity too? How nothing ever showed naruto changing his feelings away from Sakura? None of these ever crossed the minds of many fans, I kept these thoughts in with a few others and the deal was fans like me were right, not everything was said and done and look what happened only a few months later past 615, we got 631 which made fans cry for naruto and minatos head on a platter and its just gotten even more intense of all cases where we are now simply because hinata was unable to join naruto and sakura. The deal is some NH and SS fans thought they won, no questions asked, no problems, no other possibilities, or speculations, they just assumed everything was settled there and then. Kishi has proven it hasnt been settled. Now in the current frame of things, many people suspect or want sakura to die simply so again these convinent openings can be left for NH, but its even worse if it happens this way, it was better in the 469 events to go like this because the story still had a good amount of time left, kishi said back in august the manga was in its final phase, beyond the return of madara arc, theres really only a chance of some minor downtime and then the big fight between naruto and sasuke to end all the conflicts for them. If sakura died then many people just seeminly forgot about the issues already posed for NH, time is the main issue, time is not on its side, kishi has been so infrequent with hinata, theres not much he can bring forward at this point to make naruto even loving her something as believeable as he has with naruto and sakura towards each other, sakura doesnt love (yet anyways) naruto but as far as things go right now, she cares A DAMNED LOT. Other issues like if kishi put the kushina foreshadow in and how naruto was to find a girl he could love, one who is like kushina, then why would he put this in, build on it by placing it on sakura, and then just killing her? Some fans speculated that because minato is one armed right now, he would need a partner to activate the reaper seal, in turn whoever does it with him may be killed, so many fans are thinking, if Kushina died with minato on that night of his birth and she made the foreshadow of some love for naruto in the end, kishi put said foreshadow on sakura, only for her to die for Naruto like Kushina on narutos birthday? :headscratch:  No this really doesnt add up, I mean remember this series is for middle schoolers to understand, so why would kishi make something confusing like this? Doesn't Sakura dying with the foreshadow labeled on her kinda defeat the purpose of the foreshadow itself? Even then Sakura is important for other reasons, being part of team 7, being part of narutos goals which obviously involves living and fulfilling that promise. Really as I said many times, naruto losing in protecting sakura in anyway would be just a giant middle finger to him from fate saying "oh naruto you think you are going to do anything different? Nope! Phsyce I'll just take your love interest away like I did to Obito, I don't care about the other stuff, go have fun being hokage or with sasuke if you want, I'm going to make sure you dont succeed in all your goals!" See how dumb that sounds? Fans again support and want to see naruto succeed in everything but not with sakura, sakuras everyone on team 7 gets a happy ending is non-existant without her, really what can be her happy ending if she dies? Its not team 7 if not everyone is alive and present, why would kishi ax her out of nowhere when again, better options exist namely obito. Obito isnt a convinent "sacrifice" for naruto if things came to that, he has meaning and purpose, remember obito was the opposite to naruto, Obito was everything naruto could have become if he gave into his hate, its very likely naruto could have turned like him if something unfortunate had befallen Sakura like Rin or Nagato and Konan with Yahiko, same with Tsunade losing Dan and Nawaki, all had people dear and turned to despair (tsunade didnt go evil by any means but her situation made her completely depressed, uncaring, and believed no hope existed in the world at one point, that dreams were for fools and just childs play). Back on Obito, he was opposed to naruto, naruto managed to pull him out of his despair, while obito even saw everything he could have done if he just left madara to rot in his cave, he was planning to rebel against madara and undo the damage, to die anyways bringing back all who died in the 4th war including neji, but then madara had black zetsu highjack him and use the rinne tensei, and hurt him even more with the gedo mazu extraction, now only BZ is keeping him alive though Obito is finished either way, the last thing he wants to do is keep the left rinnegan from falling into madaras possession. I see it highly likely that Madara being the arrogent prideful uchiha he is, would just take the eye and not bother finishing obito off, that he would simply just leave and not consider Obito worthy of his attention and that Obitos last action to stop madara would be to use himself as a sacrifice if one was actually needed in the future chapters. Its obitos redepmtion moment many have thought of for a long time, if he dies for naruto, he redeems himself, Obito is finished either way, he even basically stated he would rather die? So why do people expect Sakura to go when theres to much importance on her and when theres much more meaning in Obito going instead? Should we have sakura die and then obito just go for no reason? Only getting the left rinnegan removed and then left to rot? We know Madara is going to get that left eye, its assured, he will be at max power, it will only be his pride or sense of wanting to be perfect that he will go after naruto again to get the remaining half of the 9 tails after naruto and sasuke are standing again to face him. Naruto is getting his powers back, sasuke still has the last ditch jutsu from Hashirama to unleash, but in the long run of things, sakura sacrircing herself, one reason NH fans should really reconsider this, this would just make Hinata so much of a token character, so underdeveloped, so convinent, in the long run, you would not even need to be concerned with her development at all when she is just there to fulfill a simple role, loving naruto. You would not even need to bother with her development, all you would need to say is she gets with naruto simply because she loves him and someone else died despite having similar feelings for him but they were technically just unavailable so hinata was simply used instead despite having little to no development herself. Seriously if Hinata was reduced to this, NH fans shoud be ashamed of this portrayl more than anything, they should be ashamed of how much kishi simply reduced her too. She already deserves better treatment, I give them that, this just killing Sakura and Neji, 2 well developed and important characters for the sake of a convinence she hoped for? :huh: Thats not good development, thats just Hinata being a simple plot element for the sake of convenience and thats not development, that just makes her a simply literary tool for the story, not even a character at this point.

 

I could only imagine the rage this would get on a pairing tag on tumblr... it would not be pretty.

 

There is actually one other thing people keep saying, people are commonly referring to some interview where kishi said 1 of the main characters or 2 major characters would die, but I have never seen this, could anyone please tell me if any of these interviews exist or if its just fan speculation because if its just another deal of fan death wishing, I'd simply say enough is enough and quit wishing death on sakura because its most likely not going to happen.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:35 PM

You know what would be awesome? If Kishi spent an ENTIRE chapter dedicated to Naruto and Sakura not only confessing and getting together but dismantling NaruHina arguments of the past.

 

Like Naruto saying he wasn't joking when he told his dad she was his girlfriend, how he doesn't want to upset Hinata so he chooses not to actively reject her, saying the handhold was just so he could transfer chakra etc.

 

lawd. It'd be IRREFUTABLE evidence that they had been DEAD WRONG this ENTIRE time. 

 

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:38 PM

I wonder if Lordofice72 is going to do a review of 663...



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 06:38 PM

I don't have a problem with Hinata but I JUST cannot with her Tunnel Vision and at the end of that Tunnel is Naruto.

Sakura is totally different and which is why I like her. During the course of the story sometimes Sakura may develop but sometimes take two steps back but that is all part of the developing process. She is ONE OF the most developed characters in Naruto and we all are watching her develop right before our eyes. Amazing to see how far she has come.


 


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 07:44 PM

.......That awkward moment when your Youtube channel gets swarmed with rabid NH fans over posting one single comment on a Naruto review of 663. Man! They're out in force now!



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 08:04 PM

I'm afraid to release mine. I hold on because I was hoping for two things: clear translation and fans dying down.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 08:30 PM

.......That awkward moment when your Youtube channel gets swarmed with rabid NH fans over posting one single comment on a Naruto review of 663. Man! They're out in force now!

That sounds about right... kinda shocked my deviantART comment hasn't flooded my message with people telling me I have no idea what I'm talking about. Wish I could post on youtube, but comments don't seem to be loading for me :|


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 08:44 PM

That sounds about right... kinda shocked my deviantART comment has flooded my message with people telling me I have no idea what I'm talking about. Wish I could post on youtube, but comments don't seem to be loading for me :|

It's because we're the minority, they'll knock us down with their numbers. It also seems some NS fans are afraid of being honest because they know that will happen, this is sad guys.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:10 PM

It's because we're the minority, they'll knock us down with their numbers. It also seems some NS fans are afraid of being honest because they know that will happen, this is sad guys.

I meant hasn't been lately :sweatdrop: (dang typo that I missed), it was definitely filled in the past before... But yeah, I've always known NaruSaku has been the minority. 


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:53 PM

I'm afraid to release mine. I hold on because I was hoping for two things: clear translation and fans dying down.

Looking at some of the anger I'm getting in these messages...I dun't think that's going to happen for a while...



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:24 PM

It's because we're the minority, they'll knock us down with their numbers. It also seems some NS fans are afraid of being honest because they know that will happen, this is sad guys.

 

Sushi, history itself hasnt been kind to those who used logic in times of history when a monitory of those who were right were spoke out against the majority who still believed in something else as acceptable or true. I mean religious organizations were brutal to Galieo despite his discoveries in space, people didn't like the concepts that non-whites and women were actually capable of the same stuff 100 years ago. Whenever theres someone who stands up to something ridiculous and they say enough is enough, they get outsed from the crowd as someone who should be ashamed, treated as a second class citizen, or die.

 

Really I gave up on the majority of the other pairing fandoms long ago when many of them dont even bring forth evidence to support their pairing, rather they turn to bringing down evidence for the others. And because we as NS have the statisfaction of the most manga evidence, this is why some NH fans like that exist to do just that, focus on bringing down said evidence rather than look for answers in theirs. This is the reason why we can say 631 is hinting NS while they say its not important because it didnt fall on hinata, this is why in the current situation we can say Sakura may be gaining closer feelings for naruto while they only say CPR doesnt count as a kiss or that Hinata should be there. This is why they chanted 469 we lose and 615 as their victory when we simply just said wait and lets see how this goes and we were right. Its just been a cycle of insanity at some points and really this is why I said a while back, we dont need to be concerned with them, I mean I do like to see others views no matter how insane they could be but just when a good protion of people think that way something is really getting offtrack in the hopes of some fans. They can believe what they want but putting this and 631 off as nothing special, its only going to do the same thing, hit them where it hurts most, Sakura doing what they said she would never do by opening up to naruto and not sasuke, naruto remains hopeful in sakura, and hinata remains unaddressed as always. Many hope for a return of 615 when if anything, nejis own event there is the priority over the hand holding, its just not going to end pretty for them.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:37 PM

Outside the occasional gang up and posts that make you say "wtf"... I really don't have any problem with the NaruHina fanbase. A lot of them feel like hopeless causes, but I can't help that, if that's how they feel, can't change'em. So basically, this battle between ships is pointless, because neither side is gonna surrender, unless the person in question is a neutral party who sits on top of the fence.  

 

 

Sushi, history itself hasnt been kind to those who used logic in times of history when a monitory of those who were right were spoke out against the majority who still believed in something else as acceptable or true. I mean religious organizations were brutal to Galieo despite his discoveries in space, people didn't like the concepts that non-whites and women were actually capable of the same stuff 100 years ago. Whenever theres someone who stands up to something ridiculous and they say enough is enough, they get outsed from the crowd as someone who should be ashamed, treated as a second class citizen, or die.

Did you really need to go this far Inferno? Comparing a fictional story's ship to important historical events? We shouldn't get that upset over this, because the NaruHina fans have a right to their opinions, even if they make you question their intelligence....


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