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#14221 Atheck

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:12 AM

nightmares everywhere. even the tumblr nh guy said that was even more expected than they thought...
it's all a pure NH fanfiction LOL


So does this mean Pierrot is prioritising their own bias for Hinata over consumer demand for SS? They must have some awareness of the fact that withholding all of the screentime and animation for just one pairing is going to agitate the followers of the other "canon" pairing. At this rate they're going to be surrounded by walls of dissatisfied fans with the NH group being their only window of escape.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:20 AM

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:20 AM

So does this mean Pierrot is prioritising their own bias for Hinata over consumer demand for SS? They must have some awareness of the fact that withholding all of the screentime and animation for just one pairing is going to agitate the followers of the other "canon" pairing. At this rate they're going to be surrounded by walls of dissatisfied fans with the NH group being their only window of escape.

Isn't NH the smallest out of the 3 major pairings in Japan?


 


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:23 AM

Anyone care to translate? it's from a fan in Japan about the movie, found this on twitter, and it's posted on their blog over here: http://shlonger.com/...741db34a80deb38

 

 

前提として
・ナルトは両親も居らず、里からは迫害に遭い「愛に飢えた」ガキであった。

ナルサクについて
ナルトがサクラを好きになった理由がわかった時の描写として、サクラは「サスケくんに認められたいだけ」と述べている。そこでナルトは恋心を自覚する。このサクラのサスケへの思いは見返りを求めない無償の愛である。愛を知らないナルトはそのサクラのサスケへの愛を愛おしく、そして羨ましく思う。ナルトはその愛の発信源であるサクラにたいして尊さを感じるのである。その無償の愛に対しての恋しさ憧れや尊さを恋だと感じた。だからやはりサクラへの心はサクラがサスケを愛しているということが前提であると言えるのである。
つまり恋に恋してるような。

ナルヒナについて
ヒナタはナルトに対して無償の愛を注ぎ続けている。ペイン戦でもヒナタはナルトをただ愛しているから、助けようとした。愛されることを知らないナルトは、それが愛だということに気づかない(likeだと感じる)。しかしラストにナルトの相手としてヒナタを持ってくる理由は、自分にもずっと昔から自分をただ愛してくれている人間の存在にナルトが気づいたということではないだろうか。そしてそれが今回の映画。ナルトは自分に対しての本物の愛を知らないまま、たまらなく寂しかった。しかしヒナタが自分をずっと昔から愛していたということに気づき、心からヒナタを愛おしく思う、というのが今回の映画の一番伝えたいことなのでは?
ちなみにこう考えるとナルトがヒナタをコロッと好きになる理由わかる。なぜかというとナルトがずっと欲しくて恋しくてたまらなかったものは他者から自分に向けての純粋な愛情だったのだから。

ナルサクにならなかった理由について
サクラがナルトへ心変わりして愛を与えるというのはナルトの寂しさを埋めるには少し軽いのかもしれない。加えて、ナルトをずっと無償で愛していた人の存在の尊さが伝わらない。
やはり、岸本先生的にも愛というものは、心変わりで変わらない、言いようのない価値のあるものであってほしかったのではないだろうか(これはサスケに対するサクラの愛のことです)。ナルトをずっと、無償で、変わらず愛し続けたヒナタだからこそナルトの孤独や飢えを癒せた。


ナルトヒナタがくっついた結論として
ナルトは愛に飢えていたが、ヒナタはずっとナルトを愛していた。そのことに気づき、飢えていて孤独だったナルトの心が満たされ、ヒナタを心から愛おしく思ったからなのではないか(=やっと大切なものに気づいた)。


やはりこう考えると今回の映画はナルトにとってとても大事な映画で、前情報だけでナルヒナ意外見る価値のない映画、だと考えるのは勿体無いのではないでしょうか…。多分ですけど、ナルトにとって愛はとても大事なもので、この映画は彼の心の寂しさを埋める大事なストーリーだと思います。最後に、私はこう考えるとナルトの相手がヒナタで絶対間違ってないと思います。


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:24 AM

"He loved her since he was a genin" MEESSSSSSSSSSSS HAHAHAHAHHAHA Kishi PLEASE kitten off


 


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:26 AM

Isn't NH the smallest out of the 3 major pairings in Japan?


NS has a moderate lead in popularity over NH, last I heard, while SS is ahead of both by a decent margin.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:27 AM

NS has a moderate lead in popularity over NH, last I heard, while SS is ahead of both by a decent margin.

Well I guess SP's favoritism for Hinata is what made NH canon.


 


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:31 AM

Well I guess SP's favoritism for Hinata is what made NH canon.


They may have been the ones to originally suggest a romantic based Naruto movie. I have heard that they have a disreptuable tendency to take the authority over a manga's direction away from the author. Mind you, I'm not aware of any other dealings by Pierrot so I can't give a direct example.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:33 AM

 

 

THEY? How you dare Kishimoto? It's not "What they've done to my series?", it's "What I've done to my series?"!!! If you had self-respect, you wouldn't let any editor or studio ruin your work like that, you did it yourself. Jerk. 


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:37 AM

 
THEY? How you dare Kishimoto? It's not "What they've done to my series?", it's "What I've done to my series?"!!! If you had self-respect, you wouldn't let any editor or studio ruin your work like that, you did it yourself. Jerk. 

I'm definitely not defending Kishimoto but there is always the idea that when he was an up-and-coming mangaka he signed a contract that stated that corporate had the final say on manga decisions. I'm sure that contract existed but it doesn't mean that Kishi didn't ruin the series himself.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:39 AM

What about this? http://fortunatelymy...oom.tumblr.com/

 

Seems like a lot of effort to be a fake. :confused:

 

And too much effort to not be fake. Looks like someone just ripped a fanfic from a site and Ctrl + V on the spoiler section, lol...


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:45 AM

I'm definitely not defending Kishimoto but there is always the idea that when he was an up-and-coming mangaka he signed a contract that stated that corporate had the final say on manga decisions. I'm sure that contract existed but it doesn't mean that Kishi didn't ruin the series himself.

 

An author must be strong minded. The editors and all can have a word on his work, but such things as the final pairings must be the author's decision, or the series itself will lack logic, and that's how Naruto ended. If his series has such a poor ending and he let that happen, then it's no one's fault but his. If I were the author and they tried to oblige me to make NH canon, I would say "You have two choices: 1. I make the pairing decisions. 2. You go find another writer for these final chapters, I've already got too much money from that kitten. It's my creation anyway, so you'll have to pay a lot for my rights too. So, what's gonna be?" and I'm not kidding. 


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:55 AM

As a premise 
- Naruto was the brat who parents were not, either (not alive is what he means, is my guess), but encountered persecution and "was hungry for love" from the village. 
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Sakura has stated [ "only liking to be accepted to Sasuke", and ] as depiction when the reason in which Naruto took to Sakura is found. 
Then, Naruto is aware of its love. 
The thought to Sasuke of this Sakura is gratis love which does not ask for collateral. (guess sakura's love is free or something along those lines)
Naruto which does not know love -- the love to Sasuke of Sakura --Love you -- I spread and think that it is enviable. (this isn't so clear here sorry >.<)
Naruto feels value for Sakura which is a source of dispatch of the love so much. 
It was thought that dearness yearning and the value to the gratis love were love. (So Naruto was mistaken?)
Therefore, the heart to Sakura can be too said to be that it is a premise that sakura loves Sasuke. 
as [ be / that is, / in love with love ] 
 
About Naruhina 
Hinta is continuing pouring out gratis love to Naruto. 
Since Hinata merely loved Naruto, it also tended to help the pane game. 
Naruto which does not know being loved does not notice that it is love (it is thought that it is like). 
However, isn't the reason for bringing Hinata to the last as a partner of Naruto that Naruto noticed existence the human being who merely loves himself from ancient times all the time also for himself? 
And the movie of this time [ it ]. 
 
Naruto was intolerably lonely, not knowing love of the genuine article to itself. 
however -- noticing that Hinata loved itself from ancient times all the time -- from the bottom of its heart --Hinata -- Love you -- if considering is [ to spread ] something [ a thing ] of this movie to tell most? 
Reason or that in which Naruto will take to hinata with plumb if it incidentally thinks like this. 
Because that which he wanted Naruto much and was very dear was the pure love turned to itself from the others when it was said [ why ] whether it was. 
It may be somewhat light for burying the lonesomeness of Naruto for Sakura to change its mind to Naruto about the reason which did not become narusaku, and to give love. 
In addition, the value of the existence of the person who loved Naruto free all the time is not transmitted. 
Probably, I wanted love also in Mr. Kishimoto to have after all the indescribable value which does not change by change of mind (this is the love of Sakura to Sasuke). 
The loneliness and the hunger of hinata, therefore Naruto which do not change free all the time but continued loving Naruto were able to be satisfied. 
As the conclusion to which naruhina adhered 
Although naruto was hungry for love, hinata loved naruto all the time. 
noticed that, it is hungry for it and the heart of solitary naruto is fulfilled -- hinata -- from the bottom of its heart -- love you -- it is [ to spread ] because it considered -- it is not (= he noticed the important thing at last). 
Isn't there undue importance, as for considering [ any ] a movie without the value which this movie is a movie very important for Naruto when it thinks like this after all, and naruhina mind outside sees only for last information, and it.
I think that love is very important for naruto and this movie is an important story which buries the lonesomeness of his heart although many. 
Finally, I think that the partner of naruto will not be wrong by any means by hinata if it thinks like this. 
 
 
 
It seems to be repeating what we've been told through the spoilers. Of course there's nothing about a kiss or anything, but it states something along the lines of Naruto discovering what true love is. 

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:01 AM

 

OMG, HE WAS AT THE EVENT!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I disagree with your subtitles, though. It is what HE has done to his own series. He gave in to SP's bribing probably. He didn't HAVE to do this.

What I think is weird is the fact that he looks separate from the rest and he is off to the side. That face though... :lmao:


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:17 AM

Just enjoy the ride guys. Laugh at how a great manga turned into a joke.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:20 AM

Let's look at all the things wrong with this movie:

 

1). Generic villain related to the Sage that came out of nowhere with no foreshadowing.

2). The fact this movie, a shonen series, is focused entirely on love to the point it surpasses any bad shoujo.

3). Naruto never had any feelings for Hinata throughout the entire manga nor strong enough moments to make it's basis believable.

4). Naruto and Hinata didn't even have off-panel development during the two-year timeskip. It was still the same, but a love story somehow fit in a 110 minute movie.

5). Naruto and Hinata are dragged together by some sort of tragedy (Hinata getting nearly killed by Neji, Hinata trying to commit suicide in Pain arc, Neji dying to protect them, Hinata getting kidnapped, Hanabi getting kidnapped) instead of having natural, casual interaction.

6). Naruto's love for Sakura is excused as an only being a product of his rivalry with Sasuke and his first real, true love is Hinata, even though scenes like the PoaL, SS hospital hug, databooks, and confession arc clearly outright said otherwise. He also didn't go for any other fangirls of Sasuke.

7). Sakura actually supports this idea, despite the fact she instantly believed Sai when he told her Naruto loved her and even cried tears of guilt over it.

8). Hanabi is finally relevant, but only as a plot device for NH.

9). Sakura's love for Sasuke still has no reason and despite seeming shallow with fangirl moments, is still taken more seriously than Naruto's feelings for her.

10). Scarves, scarves and more scarves. Related to a NH flashback as a prop for the couple when it was never even in the manga

11). "Young girls never give up on their love"-- Sakura believes this, despite the vast build-up of negativity in the manga for SS that later served no point. Also relays with the misogynistic, wish-fulfillment message that women must always love their first love and never have a change of heart otherwise they would be bad or fickle.

13). Naruto's feelings persisted throughout the entire manga for Sakura and now Hinata's suddenly his true love despite the fact Kishimoto never focused on their relationship the way he did with NS.

14). Hinata seems to have more relevance then the entirety of Team 7 combined.

15). Still no sign or closure of Team Taka. They might as well have had no point in the series.

16). SS is the end pair, but gets no focus or even a semi-justifiable explanation for it's canon.

17). Possibility Karin might die for SS and a rival character dying for a ship is always a cop out and insulting to both the character and the shippers.

18). Unnecessary parallels to MK/OB/JR, all implying Naruto would never fall for another girl and break the cycle of romantic tragedy, but the route ended up being the easy, "giving up" route straight into Hinata's lap.

19). Pairings like NH/SS, which were canonically one-sided in the manga and had scarce to bare minimum interaction, are somehow more realistic in becoming two-sided than the Naruto/Sakura relationship, which had steady development and plenty of reasons.

20). The reason Naruto ignored Hinata for so long because he thought she liked him the way he liked ramen despite the fact she nearly died and gave a love confession, over-exaggerating Naruto's denseness and making him look too stupid.

21). Possibility Sasuke loved Sakura since Part 1. Even though she never got singled out, was always lumped together in T7, and displayed even a flicker of emotion doing horrible things to her (which he did with Naruto)

22). A side character's wishes are overriding and deconstructing every character she touches, twisting them into OCC versions of themselves all tailored to that one side character's needs, all in only 110 minutes.

 

 

..... It's official. You don't even need to be a neutral fan to see how bad this movie looks. Kishimoto must've been high on a whole bunch of drugs to come up with this kitten.


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:26 AM

Let's look at all the things wrong with this movie:

 

1). Generic villain related to the Sage that came out of nowhere with no foreshadowing.

2). The fact this movie, a shonen series, is focused entirely on love to the point it surpasses any bad shoujo.

3). Naruto never had any feelings for Hinata throughout the entire manga nor strong enough moments to make it's basis believable.

4). Naruto and Hinata didn't even have off-panel development during the two-year timeskip. It was still the same, but a love story somehow fit in a 110 minute movie.

5). Naruto and Hinata are dragged together by some sort of tragedy (Hinata getting nearly killed by Neji, Hinata trying to commit suicide in Pain arc, Neji dying to protect them, Hinata getting kidnapped) instead of having natural, casual interaction.

6). Naruto's love for Sakura is excused as an only being a product of his rivalry with Sasuke and his first real, true love is Hinata, even though scenes like the PoaL, SS hospital hug, databooks, and confession arc clearly outright said otherwise. He also didn't go for any other fangirls of Sasuke.

7). Sakura actually supports this idea, despite the fact she instantly believed Sai when he told her Naruto loved her and even cried tears of guilt over it.

8). Hanabi is finally relevant, but only as a plot device for NH.

9). Sakura's love for Sasuke still has no reason and despite seeming shallow with fangirl moments, is still taken more seriously than Naruto's feelings for her.

10). Scarves, scarves and more scarves. Related to a NH flashback as a prop for the couple when it was never even in the manga

11). "Young girls never give up on their love"-- Sakura believes this, despite the vast build-up of negativity in the manga for SS that later served no point. Also relays with the misogynistic, wish-fulfillment message that women must always love their first love and never have a change of heart otherwise they would be bad or fickle.

13). Naruto's feelings persisted throughout the entire manga for Sakura and now Hinata's suddenly his true love despite the fact Kishimoto never focused on their relationship the way he did with NS.

14). Hinata seems to have more relevance then the entirety of Team 7 combined.

15). Still no sign or closure of Team Taka. They might as well have had no point in the series.

16). SS is the end pair, but gets no focus or even a semi-justifiable explanation for it's canon.

17). Possibility Karin might die for SS and a rival character dying for a ship is always a cop out and insulting to both the character and the shippers.

18). Unnecessary parallels to MK/OB/JR, all implying Naruto would never fall for another girl and break the cycle of romantic tragedy, but the route ended up being the easy, "giving up" route straight into Hinata's lap.

19). Pairings like NH/SS, which were canonically one-sided in the manga and had scarce to bare minimum interaction, are somehow more realistic in becoming two-sided than the Naruto/Sakura relationship, which had steady development and plenty of reasons.

20). A side character's wishes are overriding and deconstructing every character she touches, twisting them into OCC versions of themselves all tailored to that one side character's needs, all in only 110 minutes.

 

 

..... It's official. You don't even need to be a neutral fan to see how bad this movie looks. Kishimoto must've been high on a whole bunch of drugs to come up with this kitten.

 

21) The fact that you even need a movie to explain the ending to a 700 chapter manga.


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:29 AM

The ending is a train wreck. Enjoy it. Hope that it haunts Kishimoto for years to come until he outright admits what we already know, that the only reason NS didn't happen was because of third party influences.

There is no way Kishimoto won't at least try to read his own manga for nostalgia sake. He'll be confronted with his own betrayals and retcons at nearly every turn. The interactions between NS, NH, SK and SS will simply be too obvious. He says his characters are like his children. Well, ya assassinated them yourself, Kishi. Enjoy the additional money you'll make off of NH, though it's not like real fans wouldn't have come out in droves if you had finished what you started in the manga and given us a proper Team 7 send off.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:31 AM

The ending is a train wreck. Enjoy it. Hope that it haunts Kishimoto for years to come until he outright admits what we already know, that the only reason NS didn't happen was because of third party influences.

There is no way Kishimoto won't at least try to read his own manga for nostalgia sake. He'll be confronted with his own betrayals and retcons at nearly every turn. The interactions between NS, NH, SK and SS will simply be too obvious. He says his characters are like his children. Well, ya assassinated them yourself, Kishi. Enjoy the additionally money you'll make of NH, though it's not like real fans wouldn't have come out in droves if you had finished what you started in the manga and given us a proper Team 7 send off.

That's the problem. It's not DBZ, where things are simple. The story is what carried them, and now, it's corrupted.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:32 AM

 

21) The fact that you even need a movie to explain the ending to a 700 chapter manga.

22). The fact you have so many points when the full movie hasn't even come out yet.


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