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[Quinny52]

^ Was that towards everyone Grave, or towards me 'cause of the message I sent you last night concerning YT?

You are right, though. No one can force their opinion on anyone, the only one who can decide what pairing a person wants to ship is said person themselves. They could be persuaded by another, but ultimately the decision is theirs. And if the pairing is a different one and/or a rival of NS then that's fine, I know not everyone will be keen on NS so yeah, good on them. I just wish that debates (especially ones pairing-related) didn't end up devolving into slanging matches and verbal attacks, although this seems to come mostly from a minority of the fandom, from all sides.

[ciardha]

Other fandoms think we're just cocky and confident in our pairing, well who wouldn't because they are that confident too?

They get so mad at our confidence because they know deep down that narusaku is the pairing Kishimoto is doing and that makes them angry. I've seen this same behavior in other fandoms. To me it's silly to push so hard for a pairing when you know in your gut it isn't going to happen.

I remember when I was reading Yuu Watase's Alice 19th and I thought Alice/Frey would have been a better pairing than Alice/Kyo because Kyo begins having only a very vague interest in Alice and Alice is a total fangirl for him but is too inhibited to confess her feelings. Alice/Kyo is a rather dull relationship. (it would be like Sasuke and Hinata getting together, as they are the Naruto characters with the personalities most like Alice and Kyo)

Alice showed a more spirited side around Frey (Frey is probably the most like a young Jiraiya- although minus the crude mentality and nowhere near as perverted- not a hot springs peeper but he flirts very overtly with Alice- kissing her, embracing her, saying suggestive things, etc... making Alice blush and sputter in surprise but also bringing out her will to be a better fighter, and Frey comes off at his best when he's around Alice too. But I could from the start Watase was doing Alice/Kyo so I all I ever said was exactly what I just said here.

I was glad when Watase brought in Pai Mei-Lin and developed a budding relationship between her and Frey. Pai was much more like a young Tsunade type character, so I was like ehh with Alice and Kyo and focused my interest on Frey/Pai which was a fun and lively couple, and the manga ends with a strong hint that the two will become a couple.

Edited by ciardha, 19 September 2010 - 04:20 PM.

[Dreamer]

Yeah they should be married by the next 500 chapter without a doubt. Sorry I just needed to say this, I coundn't resist

The marriage will be in "one piece".

[Gravenimage]

The marriage will be in "one piece".

I'm guessing you can't wait for the OP manga to be updated again after 4 weeks of being on hiatus.

[Dreamer]

Well I'm not expecting a kiss Kishi won't do that it's not his style.

No one knows what Kishi will do. You think you know a particular mangaka's style but usually throw something unexpected at ya.

I'm guessing you can't wait for the OP manga to be updated again after 4 weeks of being on hiatus.

The teams training is gonna make them badass especially Luffy and Zoro.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 19 September 2010 - 09:23 PM.

[ciardha]

No one knows what Kishi will do. You think you know a particular mangaka's style but usually throw something unexpected at ya.

Not the romantic plotline in shonen manga. That part of the story's plotline is obvious once you've read more than a few shonen manga. (Especially with the tsundere type girl and boy she has a less than high opinion of who secretly likes her.) It's as set as the couples getting together in the mass market romances published in the US. It's the journey the couple takes to get together that differs from writer to writer. Kishimoto has been quite straightforward in Naruto and Sakura's falling in love with each other. Rumiko Takahashi had a lot more uncertainty in Ranma 1/2 than Kishimoto has had in Naruto and even there I knew from the start it would end up Ranma and Akane, it was obvious to me. Ditto for her Inuyasha with Inuyasha and Kagome and Miroku and Sango.

[catsi563]

Exactly.

Even FMAs Winry and Edward was all but a given right off the bat. They consistently show a similar style of meeting and inital impression of each other ((IE: tsundere girl, doesnt like or looks down on main guy)) and slowly but steadilly the two grow closer before finally confessing.

As Ciardha says the journey and development are always whats important and what may change between stories. though the baseline formula does tend to remain consistent.

The pair will slowly and steadilly grow change and recognize each other, they will have disagreements and moments of drama and doubt. But the Trust between them will grow and stay strong.

[Dreamer]

Doesn't rule out the fact of a mangaka wanting to troll to break away from the obvious at times.

[Miss Soupy]

Doesn't rule out the fact of a mangaka wanting to troll to break away from the obvious at times.

That and some like to add rival pairings of varying degrees of importance. I don't recall Ed/Win having much of a rival pairing. Kagome's rival was Kikyou, but since the story basically starts after Kikyou and Inuyasha's love paradise ends in a bitter way, there isn't much chance for that pairings return. Don't know anything about Ranma so I couldn't say how that pairing went. While Kishi does focus more on NaruSaku than the other pairings, he makes it a roller coaster of a pairing most of the time as compared to the pairings in other manga where their biggest obstacle seems to be awaiting the right time to confess tru lub. Naruto is quite different in that confessing in the traditional way seems to be a big no no.

[jason voorhees]

That and some like to add rival pairings of varying degrees of importance. I don't recall Ed/Win having much of a rival pairing. Kagome's rival was Kikyou, but since the story basically starts after Kikyou and Inuyasha's love paradise ends in a bitter way, there isn't much chance for that pairings return. Don't know anything about Ranma so I couldn't say how that pairing went. While Kishi does focus more on NaruSaku than the other pairings, he makes it a roller coaster of a pairing most of the time as compared to the pairings in other manga where their biggest obstacle seems to be awaiting the right time to confess tru lub. Naruto is quite different in that confessing in the traditional way seems to be a big no no.

But sasuke never loved or loves sakura to begin with thats the problem with rival pairings. or one sided were NS is not

Doesn't rule out the fact of a mangaka wanting to troll to break away from the obvious at times.

kish has ben obvious or clse the hole manga as to my guss romance is not his strong sute as he stated which ginaric plotlines he seems to be following.

but since the story basically starts after Kikyou and Inuyasha's love paradise ends in a bitter way

same could be said for SS

Edited by hypno toad, 20 September 2010 - 10:04 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

But sasuke never loved or loves sakura to begin with thats the problem with rival pairings.

That doesn't mean its not a rival pairing... If Sasuke loved Sakura back it would be a canon pairing. If you want to compare it to Inuyasha, Kikyou was a rival to Kagome because Inuyasha loved Kikyou. Sasuke is a rival to Naruto because Sakura loves Sasuke. However it was much more obvious that Inuyasha wasn't going to get with Kikyou (again) since he had already been with her and their relationship was destroyed before the start of the actual storyline.

[jason voorhees]

That doesn't mean its not a rival pairing... If Sasuke loved Sakura back it would be a canon pairing. If you want to compare it to Inuyasha, Kikyou was a rival to Kagome because Inuyasha loved Kikyou. Sasuke is a rival to Naruto because Sakura loves Sasuke. However it was much more obvious that Inuyasha wasn't going to get with Kikyou (again) since he had already been with her and their relationship was destroyed before the start of the actual storyline.

one sided rival pairing as well but sakura loves naruto too well thats were our views changes if kish wanted ss he would have thrue in some some hints not one sided i find sasuke there growing factor as well sasuke himself is pushing them together makeing them stronger.
Look at the end of part one sasuke he broke sakuras hart no regretes jest a thank you nothing more thats about as close as you get. As well you notice sakura starts to move on an grow to love naruto which there is plenty of evidence to prove this. As well as bonds are the main theam of the manga

Doesn't rule out the fact of a mangaka wanting to troll to break away from the obvious at times.

I wanted to also say i find this a slight possibility but not likly. but by some chance it happens ill say good job an hope for better luck next time as well to study alittle better.

Edited by hypno toad, 20 September 2010 - 10:27 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

I didn't say Kishi wanted SS. I said it was a rival pairing... All the pairings are either one-sided or too complicated to get their acts together as of right now. Not sure what you are trying to argue.

[jason voorhees]

I didn't say Kishi wanted SS. I said it was a rival pairing... All the pairings are either one-sided or too complicated to get their acts together as of right now. Not sure what you are trying to argue.

im not really trying to argue anything im jest bord jest got off work waiting for a TV show to come on (american pickers) thow it seems to show that way.

i guss the onlything is to read an find out. but like i said i personily think sakura is over sasuke my pov from reading as well as talking here im gong to stay confident in that (shrugges) as i said as well bonds are a main theam thats what i think sakura has to sasuke.


ehh is there any other topicks to talk about???

LETS SING A SONG!

Edited by hypno toad, 20 September 2010 - 10:44 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

I see.

Well two topics I have noticed recently and have disagreed with are:

1) The Kushina and Minato love story both parallels NaruSaku and NaruHina. I saw a youtube video discussing this issue and couldn't help but notice even though the person was trying to be fair to both pairings, they severely downgraded how Naruto changed Sakura for the better. The idea behind the video was that the Kushina/Minato love story caused two things to happen to Kushina. First, her impression of Minato was changed for the better. Second, her view of herself was changed for the better. The person tried to argue that the first part could be paralleled to NaruSaku (Naruto changed Sakura's view of him), while the second part paralleled NaruHina (Naruto helped Hinata with her confidence). They then said that this made the two pairings even in possibility. I felt like they completely glossed over how much Naruto has changed Sakura. Ch. 105 came to mind when Sakura thought about Naruto fighting and how when she watched him it made her want to try harder, which was an incredible feeling.

2) SasuNaru in general. Now I'm talking about reasons outside of the IT'S SHOUNEN SO IT CAN'T HAPPEN arguments. Because really, I see a lot more problems with this 'pairing' besides just that. For instance Sasuke is far more moved by Itachi than he has been by Naruto. And that Naruto's 'obsession' with Sasuke stems from his own personal dream of becoming hokage and the rules he sets up for himself in order to reach said dream. I don't know, I am noticing a lot of smugness when it comes to SN, saying the whole manga revolves around it and that it is better than all of the other pairings, yet I never see people actually talk about the reasons why. Deep down, it isn't exactly about Sasuke, it's about becoming Hokage. Not to mention that any pairing with Sasuke, to me, is a pretty horrible pairing. At least that's how I see it.

[jason voorhees]

1. i really jest try to ignore youtubs like that no matter how even they try to make the pairings the pairing they like the most will always shine thrue i have taken notice of that. JS,MK NS all the same each geting alittle farther than the last. Hinata is jest a plot device as well as drama an a nice story line kinda

2. naruto an sasuke its the team mate bond this is why i stress it so much like kaka,iruka to a point even culture diffrince.(also to my reason

as i said as well bonds are a main theam thats what i think sakura has to sasuke.

is there really much diffrince?. Honistly i find it funny but it dose show why yaoi couples are the most populer. But yeah sasuke is one of narutos closest bonds an its mistaken. but hey its all fun

Edited by hypno toad, 20 September 2010 - 11:38 PM.

[Cloud]

2. naruto an sasuke its the team mate bond this is why i stress it so much like kaka,iruka to a point even culture diffrince.(also to my reason is there really much diffrince?. Honistly i find it funny but it dose show why yaoi couples are the most populer. But yeah sasuke is one of narutos closest bonds an its mistaken. but hey its all fun

Kakashi and Iruka have had like.. zero interaction. I don't see how they have team mate bonding. Would you kindly also spellcheck or do something?

My head is killing me trying to figure out if you're trying to write in Spanish or English.

[Serenity Namikaze]

Not to mention that any pairing with Sasuke, to me, is a pretty horrible pairing. At least that's how I see it.

Agreed!

I can't imagine that either because this would not fit with this actual Sasuke. It's not just the fact that he tried and almost kill Sakura-Karin-Naruto ( even if it's, to me, a pretty good hint that 'Sasuke' and 'pairing' doesn't go well in the same sentence) but what he said as well. Maybe I'm a little bias and I'm sorry if I am but Sasuke never give any impression that he would want to be in a relationship after completing his revenge. The argument when the 12 years old Sasuke saying that he wish to revive his clan by making lots of Uchiha babies have been destroy when Sasuke said himself that the true revival will happen as soon as the bond between the Uchiha and Konoha will be severed. Admitting that he will kill everyone in Konoha is a pretty good argument to me that he doesn't give any importance in procreating or just being with somebody, at least.

If some fandoms like a pairing that involve Sasuke, they have as much right to do it as us for NaruSaku but, to me, to believe that Sasuke will be with someone at the end is to completely deny the reality of the character in general.

[Miss Soupy]

The argument when the 12 years old Sasuke saying that he wish to revive his clan by making lots of Uchiha babies have been destroy when Sasuke said himself that the true revival will happen as soon as the bond between the Uchiha and Konoha will be severed. Admitting that he will kill everyone in Konoha is a pretty good argument to me that he doesn't give any importance in procreating or just being with somebody, at least.

Very true. The main point with Sasuke is that on this path he will never revive the Uchiha clan. All he will spend his entire life doing is killing, because he will continue passing the blame from one to another. The cycle of hatred completely consumes him and he will never stop to revive his clan like he once proclaimed.

[Derock]

Kakashi and Iruka have had like.. zero interaction. I don't see how they have team mate bonding. Would you kindly also spellcheck or do something?

My head is killing me trying to figure out if you're trying to write in Spanish or English.

Well, it isn't the teammate bond. The whole reason why Kakashi/Iruka is so damn popular because many yaoi fans see them follow the "Kohai/Sentai" (or whatever the spelling is) relationship. Everytime those two are in a scene together, just to have a conversation like the recent filler for Iruka in the anime, you can bet your money that their fandom went squeeling all over the place.

Now, the other issue: I still can't believe why people accepting/insisting that NaruHina is parallel to Minato/Kushina. First off, for a one-sided pairing like that, nothing is similar... sure Naruto helped Hinata gain her confidence but he does that to not only her, but others like Sakura, Konohamaru and others. And then there's this issue: the so-called similarities of appearances and the events they are in (long hair and being kidnapped by the Cloud, which reminds me, did the kidnapping of Hinata for the Byakugan was at a point out of reach miles away from the Hyuga and Konoha, like the Cloud did to Kushina...) which was totally out of place. (Plus Kushina is totally a different character, sounds like a certain pink-haired girl we all know and love...) Seriously, I don't want to diss their "love" for the pairing, but the desperation needs to be tone down. This is like talking to the developer for a certain video game to demand that this or that should be in (trust me, Street Fighter fans are acting crazy in recent news). And that video you are talking about Soupy-chan, it sounds like the poster just want both pairings canon ala threesome, is that being fair or just being pervy?