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[TouKen4Life3g]

I think that he is really grasping and he is only going to see things his way. Even though she could not pull it off, it is during the Kage summit Arc that she decides to try to kill him so she already knows that sasuke is evil. She also gave up on her dream of team 7 being reunited and effectively gaining back sasuke because she thanks Naruto for restoring her dream showing that her main dream is not to be reunited with Sasuke and that her feelings for him are slowly beginning to change. As for when she starts reflecting, if she decided to kill him or at least try to kill him then that would take some reflection. Bottom line is though that which statement she reacts to and the whole face thing is pretty strong and if he doesn't want to listen to that then he is never going to quit no matter how many facts you toss at him. As for Sakura being a bad character, she is one of the better characters in the bunch because she is realistic.

Indeed.

I would like you in the podcast. I would like to hear more of you.

[redragon88]

For those wondering if showing Naruto and Hinata holding hands over the Naruto logo in volume 64 means it's special here's this:



Those stupid tailed beasts just had to go and ruin the exclusivity.

[TouKen4Life3g]

For those wondering if showing Naruto and Hinata holding hands over the Naruto logo in volume 64 means it's special here's this:



Those stupid tailed beasts just had to go and ruin the exclusivity.

Thanks for confirmation. It just needed to show art. Also, thanks for that again, I always like that one, making Naruto the next RS.

[Shadow1275]

For those wondering if showing Naruto and Hinata holding hands over the Naruto logo in volume 64 means it's special here's this:



Those stupid tailed beasts just had to go and ruin the exclusivity.

Nice find! I wonder if this foreshadows that he will absorb the Ten-Tails? So anyone still worried about 615?

[Don-kun]

While there are two possibilities. One that kishimoto is setting up Naru/Hina. But then why devote all these panels during these moments where Hinata is the main figure and Sakura gets a close up where she looks horrified?

2. He doesn't want to commit because it means more money and makes more interesting. This one sounds a lot more likely to me because of all the evidence that you stated. Relax buddy. Hinata was due for some sort of spotlight after being ignored for over a 100 chapters. Sakura's turn is coming up next.

To me Hinata's love seems more like Hero worship especially if you consider that when Hinata holds hands with Naruto Sakura does not look happy, When Sakura realizes that Hinata loves Naruto she does not look happy, but when Sakura hugs Naruto after the Pain arc she has a smile on her face. Also Naruto's feelings for Hinata are one-sided because after two confessions there is still no answer.

Don't worry because I'm relax I just have an habit of trying to make sense to everything and this manga for a good while stop making sense just because things lately start to feel forced by the Author, anyway those are also aspect we cannot ignore just because we don't know how to address them properly plus I'm sure most of us thought about the current Manga development.


@Baguette
The last word we got from Sakura was her thanking Naruto for restore her faith again while saying that she can finally believe that there will be a happy ending for team 7 again. The fact that Sakura got depressed was the fact that the guy told her that the guy she loves most be a great man while Sakura had that image of a dark Sasuke that says that she disagrees with him, also you need to notice that even Ino later used sarcasm to describe her her feelings towards Sasuke, in other words they both acknowledge that their feelings for Sasuke is not good.


@NaruSaku4Life3g
I notice that most of you guys are really forgetting Kishi's latest interview, where he assume people will fall like fies.
It's obvious that the Konoha 9-1 will be off panel by the time we return to that battle feel as I recall the moment the kages regrouped after Dan restore Tsunades strength most of us expected for them to come out victorious but guess what they were badly beating, now we have the fact that Lee gave Madara a super kick that split him in half, Madara and Obito no longer have control of the Juubi plus we know for fact that the alliance will not beat the bad guys.
Do you remember when Tsunade said that Medical Ninjas should not engage direct confrontation and they should in all possible meas not die or something like that, guess what this seems like an excuse Kishi will be using to wipe out the alliance while having no harm on Sakura.
I know many hates the Idea of the old Hokages and worst Sasuke combined with Naruto being the one who end this war but if the Hokages go to that war then you can mark it, the alliance will be wipe out and some K 9-1 might die, will Obito will revive everyone before he dies?

Edited by Don-kun, 29 March 2013 - 05:55 AM.

[Shadow1275]

Don't worry because I'm relax I just have an habit of trying to make sense to everything and this manga for a good while stop making sense just because things lately start to feel forced by the Author, anyway those are also aspect we cannot ignore just because we don't know how to address them properly plus I'm sure most of us thought about the current Manga development.


@Baguette
The last word we got from Sakura was her thanking Naruto for restore her faith again while saying that she can finally believe that there will be a happy ending for team 7 again. The fact that Sakura got depressed was the fact that the guy told her that the guy she loves most be a great man while Sakura had that image of a dark Sasuke while what says that she disagrees with him, also you need to add that even Ino later used sarcasm to describe her her feelings towards Sasuke, in other words they both acknowledge that their feelings for Sasuke is not good.


@NaruSaku4Life3g
I notice that most of you guys are really forgetting Kishi's latest interview, where he assume people will fall like fies.
It's obvious that the Konoha 9-1 will be off panel by the time we return to that battle feel as I recall the moment the kages regrouped after Dan restore Tsunades strength most of us expected for them to come out victorious but guess what they were badly beating, now we have the fact that Lee gave Madara a super kick that split him in half, Madara and Obito no longer have control of the Juubi plus we know for fact that the alliance will not beat the bad guys.
Do you remember when Tsunade said that Medical Ninjas should not engage direct confrontation and they should in all possible meas not die or something like that, guess what this seems like an excuse Kishi will be using to wipe out the alliance while having no harm on Sakura.
I know many hates the Idea of the old Hokages and worst Sasuke combined with Naruto being the one who end this war but if the Hokages go to that war then you can mark it, the alliance will be wipe out and some K 9-1 might die, will Obito will revive everyone before he dies?

Another good point. Perhaps the next time Hinata sacrifices herself there won't be anyone to protect her.

[rocci]

Don't worry because I'm relax I just have an habit of trying to make sense to everything and this manga for a good while stop making sense just because things lately start to feel forced by the Author, anyway those are also aspect we cannot ignore just because we don't know how to address them properly plus I'm sure most of us thought about the current Manga development.


@Baguette
The last word we got from Sakura was her thanking Naruto for restore her faith again while saying that she can finally believe that there will be a happy ending for team 7 again. The fact that Sakura got depressed was the fact that the guy told her that the guy she loves most be a great man while Sakura had that image of a dark Sasuke that says that she disagrees with him, also you need to notice that even Ino later used sarcasm to describe her her feelings towards Sasuke, in other words they both acknowledge that their feelings for Sasuke is not good.


@NaruSaku4Life3g
I notice that most of you guys are really forgetting Kishi's latest interview, where he assume people will fall like fies.
It's obvious that the Konoha 9-1 will be off panel by the time we return to that battle feel as I recall the moment the kages regrouped after Dan restore Tsunades strength most of us expected for them to come out victorious but guess what they were badly beating, now we have the fact that Lee gave Madara a super kick that split him in half, Madara and Obito no longer have control of the Juubi plus we know for fact that the alliance will not beat the bad guys.
Do you remember when Tsunade said that Medical Ninjas should not engage direct confrontation and they should in all possible meas not die or something like that, guess what this seems like an excuse Kishi will be using to wipe out the alliance while having no harm on Sakura.
I know many hates the Idea of the old Hokages and worst Sasuke combined with Naruto being the one who end this war but if the Hokages go to that war then you can mark it, the alliance will be wipe out and some K 9-1 might die, will Obito will revive everyone before he dies?

Omg this is the prediction I want to happen, because if the alliance attack than kurama need to recharge his chakra again, and make naruto vulnerable. I agree with you

[Baguette]

@Baguette
The last word we got from Sakura was her thanking Naruto for restore her faith again while saying that she can finally believe that there will be a happy ending for team 7 again. The fact that Sakura got depressed was the fact that the guy told her that the guy she loves most be a great man while Sakura had that image of a dark Sasuke that says that she disagrees with him, also you need to notice that even Ino later used sarcasm to describe her her feelings towards Sasuke, in other words they both acknowledge that their feelings for Sasuke is not good.

I've repeatedly used the "Naruto restored her lost faith in Team 7," the direct connotation of Ch.540, and the Ino's "'positive love' development" throughout my debate with this guy.
Each time he either accuses me of going off on a tangent or just ignores the arguments completely.

Edited by Baguette, 29 March 2013 - 06:01 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@NaruSaku4Life3g
I notice that most of you guys are really forgetting Kishi's latest interview, where he assume people will fall like fies.
It's obvious that the Konoha 9-1 will be off panel by the time we return to that battle feel as I recall the moment the kages regrouped after Dan restore Tsunades strength most of us expected for them to come out victorious but guess what they were badly beating, now we have the fact that Lee gave Madara a super kick that split him in half, Madara and Obito no longer have control of the Juubi plus we know for fact that the alliance will not beat the bad guys.
Do you remember when Tsunade said that Medical Ninjas should not engage direct confrontation and they should in all possible meas not die or something like that, guess what this seems like an excuse Kishi will be using to wipe out the alliance while having no harm on Sakura.
I know many hates the Idea of the old Hokages and worst Sasuke combined with Naruto being the one who end this war but if the Hokages go to that war then you can mark it, the alliance will be wipe out and some K 9-1 might die, will Obito will revive everyone before he dies?

We don't know for sure. I do believe that we will get to see the whole battle, or at least where we are left, but I do believe the next time we go back, we will see a boss fight because of the way of how it is set up. We can't really say for sure because there are many things that can be unexpected. I think the reason to skip Madara vs. Kages is to prevent his feat being shown completely as well as saving his hype for the next and most likely his final battle. Look at Pain vs. Jiraiya. He got demolished off-panel because we have to believe Pain is too much for anyone to handle. When he came to Konoha, he shown more stuff that makes us understand how Jiraiya got taken out. Madara vs. Kages were showing off some good feat, but in the end, it was "censored" for the next moment, but we got the idea that he's really too strong. Obito still haven't gone all out and in Shounen tradition, the bad guy will show his final trump card before death. This is given.

All I can say is wait. I can't say anymore than this, but let's not forget, unless Minato can teleport them there, they will take a while to get there.

[Shadow1275]

I've repeatedly used the "Naruto restored her lost faith in Team 7," the direct connotation of Ch.540, and the Ino's "'positive love' development" throughout my debate with this guy.
Each time he either accuses me of going off on a tangent or just ignores the arguments completely.

Nothing you can do bra. Just point out that he hasn't made a decent argument to your points, leave the thread, and let him keep dreaming. Thats what they do when they can't retaliate with facts.

Edited by Shadow1275, 29 March 2013 - 06:14 AM.

[Don-kun]

I've repeatedly used the "Naruto restored her lost faith in Team 7," the direct connotation of Ch.540, and the Ino's "'positive love' development" throughout my debate with this guy.
Each time he either accuses me of going off on a tangent or just ignores the arguments completely.

Well it's obvious that the person only wants to believe what they want since Kishi made it clear that Ino despite everything still likes Sasuke, Karin was stabbed and Sakura was saved twice but still hold feelings for the guy.

Kishi is kind of telling his readers that no feeling will evaporate off panel but while they still like the guy they all acknowledge that he isn't a great choice.

People who refuse to accept this is because they refuse to accept the idea that the one thing keeping the pairing alive might disappear and the others want it to be that way because they want Sakura out of NH's way.

Disappear and out of NH's way is to key factors here and if people are willing to acknowledge this they also accepting that there ship might die and that's not easy to accept.



@NaruSaku4Life3g
I't's impossible to believe that Madara and Obito will receive direct attack from the alliance, we might spend 4 to 10 hours with Sasuke and the Hokage and when we return to the battlefield Kishi will just hit he reset bottom.

Trust me a large part of the alliance are going to get wipe our including some of the Rookies Kishi was trowing a lot of hint and two things I will not forget, they will fall like flies and when beep and beep made them appearance.

Edited by Don-kun, 29 March 2013 - 06:25 AM.

[redragon88]

Nice find! I wonder if this foreshadows that he will absorb the Ten-Tails? So anyone still worried about 615?

The more I think about it the more I lean towards the idea that the cover of volume 64 is meant to show the resolution of the Naruto/Hinata/Neji subplot that started way back in the chunin exams. I think someone made reference of that previously.

Back then we had Neji willing to fatally hurt Hinata, always speaking about an unchangeable destiny, and feeling like a bird trapped in a cage. All the while Hinata could only shy away from speaking to Naruto and never being able to reach him as an equal. Now thanks to Naruto's influence we have Neji being able to sacrifice his own life for Hinata who he had previously attempted to harm, understand concept of free will, and finally be a bird breaking away from it's cage. At the same time we have Hinata able to confront Naruto to remind him of his resolve and thus finally reach him to stand by his side as an equal. I think the artwork for this new volume is meant to reflect on that.

It was fitting to reference Neji's death in this volume cover and given that Hinata and Naruto are significantly connected to him it does make sense to have them also in the cover while holding hands, symbolizing them overcoming his death. Both Hinata and Neji reach character resolution in that cover, with Neji finally becoming free like bird breaking from it's cage and Hinata holding Naruto's hand while standing by his side to finally be an equal to her hero.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The more I think about it the more I lean towards the idea that the cover of volume 64 is meant to show the resolution of the Naruto/Hinata/Neji subplot that started way back in the chunin exams. I think someone made reference of that previously.

Back then we had Neji willing to fatally hurt Hinata, always speaking about an unchangeable destiny, and feeling like a bird trapped in a cage. All the while Hinata could only shy away from speaking to Naruto and never being able to reach him as an equal. Now thanks to Naruto's influence we have Neji being able to sacrifice his own life for Hinata who he had previously attempted to harm, understand concept of free will, and finally be a bird breaking away from it's cage. At the same time we have Hinata able to confront Naruto to remind him of his resolve and thus finally reach him to stand by his side as an equal. I think the artwork for this new volume is meant to reflect on that.

It was fitting to reference Neji's death in this volume cover and given that Hinata and Naruto are significantly connected to him it does make sense to have them also in the cover while holding hands, symbolizing them overcoming his death. Both Hinata and Neji reach character resolution in that cover, with Neji finally becoming free like bird breaking from it's cage and Hinata holding Naruto's hand while standing by his side to finally be an equal to her hero.

Well, at least shipping goggle is off in this post. That's like what I said, only yours has a different interpretation, like more towards them rather than others. That said the thing about waiting for the next volume is to see the clear message by Kishi. Like, if NS moment happen and ends NH, then what you said is now true or at least not meant romance. Otherwise, well, time to question ourselves.

[Codus N]

Sakura will have big important interaction with Naruto when it comes to Sasuke, thinking anything otherwise would be insane

Except the problem here is, you're not Kishi. You can't just say it's 100% sure that there will be a NS moment soon. Now unless you're psychic, nothing that we say is a 100% certain to happen. If you were so sure (and to the rest of the members) that a NS moment is about to happen, show me Kishi's drafts and I'll believe you.

well codus i think i should disagree with you about this



yes this is another shonen manga, kishi can do wathever he pleas and yes i can be wrong too just like many guest theory in this manga. and i understand your frustasion with sakura heroine role and moment take by hinata.

but to say naruto didn't love sakura anymore without proclaim or show any sign? sorry i disagree.

the reason why he didn't shout like natsu or ed or luffy or ichigo or conan or many shonen hero to heroine is because the heroine right now is not in harm situation!!

sakura always safe and sound so why should naruto worried to her. tell me when the last time we see sakura hurt, injured, or almost death? it's done 200-300 chapter ago. the last time she fataly injured in sai arc after naruto turn into 4 tail and hurt her and you know what naruto do when he know about that? he vow not to use that power anymore.

after that well sakura always safe and sound? pain invasion? still capable to command the village when chain commando failed. after that only mental hurt with karui quetioning what sasuke mean to her, and look at naruto, he save her again, this time to make her not worry.

and in team seven reunion it will be different scene if kakashi didn't save sakura from sasuke chidori and naruto grand epic save.

in the end sakura is safe but when naruto use kage bushin to get rid zetsu and he meet sakura do you know what he said....
"it seem you are not hurt sakura"......

than we get a obirin parallel and everything make sense(at least to me) that
SAKURA WILL BE HURT. and hell will unleash by the chosen one.

P.S. sorry for my bad english

GPP kok..

Now then, yes that is a good point about the heroine in dangerous situations, but like I said, it can be something as simple as "everyone, Sakura-chan, wait for me!! I'm coming!!" when he went out. If Kishi had done something like that, it would show him he's putting Sakura on a special pedestal. It's subtle, but it's a clear showing of how special she is to him.

The one thing Ed and Natsu have in common is that we are often shown their thoughts about their girls. Naruto is a one-track mind guy, right?? if that's true, then why aren't we shown more on his thoughts about Sakura?? if he is so one track-minded about his love, then why don't we see more of it??

Well yeah. The one that's still skeptical is just waiting for Sakura to show up and/or NS moment to happen. The whole 615 can be a pro-NS or anti-NS, believe or not. The problem is that the follow-up didn't really show the impact of both side of pov, so I can't buy the whole thing. Not to mention the volume happened to be focusing on friendships, which begs the question: did Hinata officially got friendzoned? We don't know 100% but to me, it's starting to look that way. Nevertheless, the volume focused on Juubi, but it's not the final part of the battle. The next one will be important, because Obito and Madara will be in combat. As for Sasuke, that has to wait for now, though if he does join, I always assume after Obito's death.

One thing for sure is that after that battle, there will be a break because there's too much to cover and a rest, especially for Naruto, will be coming. If Sasuke wants to defeat Naruto to make him happy, he most likely wants Naruto to be at his best to prove him, which is not even far fetched. Anyway, my point is that the next set is do or die, and everything will change us forever. Unless there's more flashback!

Bolded: That is precisely the problem. I'm really tired of Kishi toying with the fandom like we're a bunch of yo-yos. I don't know why, but isn't that downright degrading?? it doesn't seem like he appreciates the fans.

Heres what I recommend: Don't worry about anything till the flashback with Hashirama ends and the focus shifts away from Sasuke and company, until we get back to the ten tails fight or go elsewhere to like the kages or Sakura and Sai's current location, we have nothing and no way to predict anything otherwise, there has not been anything new to add yet so its static on both fronts for now, nothing more to attribute

How can you say both fronts have nothing new?? you seem to try to desperately downplay 615-617.

So tons and tons of middle school boys love the potential yaoi relationship between Kakashi and Iruka?

To me it seems that only a select few of the entire Naruto readership were able to vote in that poll, and even still it's not official anyway as far as I know.

Actually no. In fan pollings, it's usually the female fanbase who are more active. Keep in mind a good majority of fujoshi in Japan are yaoi fans.

Hm, but I'm specifically talking about refocus on the battlefield, when Naruto is still fighting Obito and Madara with the rest of the alliance. Sasuke may arrive, but that battle between he and Naruto won't be for awhile, likely after the big bads are taken care of.

Also Team 7 can be brought up without having romantic NaruSaku. I wonder if your thinking of a scene where Sakura shows that she cares for Naruto when it comes to that. If so there is a way to do it without the romantic implications, especially if Sasuke is involved somehow.

I mean a definite NaruSaku moment, where the scene is obviously shippy and not just teammate friendly. <--- that needs to happen if the pairing's going to work, and I'm asking your opinion on if it doesn't by the time we get back to Naruto, what will your perspective be.

If there is a NS moment, it would be when Sakura stands up for Naruto's dream. I predict that Rin had also done the same thing in the past with Obito, and now it's repeated again, word-for-word with Sakura leading to that Obirin-NaruSaku parallel.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Bolded: That is precisely the problem. I'm really tired of Kishi toying with the fandom like we're a bunch of yo-yos. I don't know why, but isn't that downright degrading?? it doesn't seem like he appreciates the fans.

If there is a NS moment, it would be when Sakura stands up for Naruto's dream. I predict that Rin had also done the same thing in the past with Obito, and now it's repeated again, word-for-word with Sakura leading to that Obirin-NaruSaku parallel.

I know, same here at the moment, but if this is truly the last for all characters, not main characters, then fine, I will endure one final time. Sure, we got SS left but if you end NH, I think the predictability will sky rocket. I will review the arc to explain this whole arc in a nutshell.

Well, Rin has shown to support Obito for being the next Hokage, so it makes sense for Sakura to Naruto. This whole arc has been revisiting Chunnin Exam arc and this will be fitting for her to do so. Obito will most likely continue to bash Naruto and telling him even if he does keep reality alive, what chances he will become Hokage and so on. I can see it happening. It's nice that to hear you speaking in a non-panic way. No offense.

[rocci]

GPP kok..

Now then, yes that is a good point about the heroine in dangerous situations, but like I said, it can be something as simple as "everyone, Sakura-chan, wait for me!! I'm coming!!" when he went out. If Kishi had done something like that, it would show him he's putting Sakura on a special pedestal. It's subtle, but it's a clear showing of how special she is to him.

The one thing Ed and Natsu have in common is that we are often shown their thoughts about their girls. Naruto is a one-track mind guy, right?? if that's true, then why aren't we shown more on his thoughts about Sakura?? if he is so one track-minded about his love, then why don't we see more of it??

oke bro ^^b

bolded: what else ? it will only make ns auto-canon. when a main character who blatanly love his love interest and for long time he didn't said it especially after his love interest confess to him, only lead to proclamation of love or reject but why must drag it? more over make no dialog between them? is it hard to say i love hinata or think about her in romantic fashion if kishi want to make nh canon? the answer is kishi do halting process. okay i will ask you did shinichi kudo x ran mori is canon now?(lama gak baca habis kaya ippo )
remember when i said naruto love sakura is big deal. because if he said the thing like that it only negate naruhina glory moment, or should i said hinata>>naruto. ed and natsu can do that because they don't impact the story, only give pairing teasing while if naruto the one who said that only make the "misleading" not good.

615 is indeed nh moment, but at the expense of neji dead, naruto become dumb, and sakura role.

and this is inferno point. if nh happen it only damage the story.

but at the end i could be wrong, but it's nothing wrong to speculate right^^, this is one good point of naruto.

[Codus N]

oke bro ^^b

bolded: what else ? it will only make ns auto-canon. when a main character who blatanly love his love interest and for long time he didn't said it especially after his love interest confess to him, only lead to proclamation of love or reject but why must drag it? more over make no dialog between them? is it hard to say i love hinata or think about her in romantic fashion if kishi want to make nh canon? the answer is kishi do halting process. okay i will ask you did shinichi kudo x ran mori is canon now?(lama gak baca habis kaya ippo )
remember when i said naruto love sakura is big deal. because if he said the thing like that it only negate naruhina glory moment, or should i said hinata>>naruto. ed and natsu can do that because they don't impact the story, only give pairing teasing while if naruto the one who said that only make the "misleading" not good.

615 is indeed nh moment, but at the expense of neji dead, naruto become dumb, and sakura role.

and this is inferno point. if nh happen it only damage the story.

but at the end i could be wrong, but it's nothing wrong to speculate right^^, this is one good point of naruto.

I think I understand what you mean.... (bhs inggris yg gak karuanmu ini jd agak susah ngerti poinmu ) but the thing is, what's in it for Kishi to drag out the pairing wars?? to be honest IMO, the romance in the story doesn't really have that much meaning to the overall plot, aside from Obito's. I've never viewed Naruto as a manga heavily driven by the romance between two characters. Naruto is a manga about a boy trying to achieve his dreams, not a manga about him trying to get the girl. There's more to it. At times, I feel like the romance aspect has been nothing but an unnecessary and annoying distraction.

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Jd, maksudmu apa?? apa maksudnya gini, hasilnya nembaknya Sakura itu cuman sedang ditunda gitu?? ya ok, gak masalah... yg jd masalah ini merupakan problem serius bagi hubungan mereka. Klo Kishi sebetulnya emg mo bikin mereka canon, ato ingin menunjukkan eratnya hubungan mereka pasca-nembak, seharusnya dia lebih jelas menunjukkannya. Sampai sekarang belum ada penyelesaiannya, padahal justru ada yg lebih penting dr itu sekarang, yaitu perang ini.

Klo Kishi sungguh2 pingin memberikan klimaks yg jelas, menurutku mestinya permasalahan nembaknya itu diselesaikan dulu. Ingat, cerita ini adalah cerita seorang bocah berusaha menggapai impiannya. Dia emg suka Sakura, ttp apakah impiannya termasuk merebut hatinya?? rasanya bukan.

Lalu ngulur-ngulur pairing war ini sebetulnya justru lebih membawa banyak mudarat daripada manfaat pd cerita ini. Klo suatu macam subplot terus2an diulur gitu, kan gak baik?? lama2 org pun bosan toh?? sama halnya di sini soal romancenya.

[rocci]

I think I understand what you mean.... (bhs inggris yg gak karuanmu ini jd agak susah ngerti poinmu ) but the thing is, what's in it for Kishi to drag out the pairing wars?? to be honest IMO, the romance in the story doesn't really have that much meaning to the overall plot, aside from Obito's. I've never viewed Naruto as a manga heavily driven by the romance between two characters. Naruto is a manga about a boy trying to achieve his dreams, not a manga about him trying to get the girl. There's more to it. At times, I feel like the romance aspect has been nothing but an unnecessary and annoying distraction.

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Jd, maksudmu apa?? apa maksudnya gini, hasilnya nembaknya Sakura itu cuman sedang ditunda gitu?? ya ok, gak masalah... yg jd masalah ini merupakan problem serius bagi hubungan mereka. Klo Kishi sebetulnya emg mo bikin mereka canon, ato ingin menunjukkan eratnya hubungan mereka pasca-nembak, seharusnya dia lebih jelas menunjukkannya. Sampai sekarang belum ada penyelesaiannya, padahal justru ada yg lebih penting dr itu sekarang, yaitu perang ini.

Klo Kishi sungguh2 pingin memberikan klimaks yg jelas, menurutku mestinya permasalahan nembaknya itu diselesaikan dulu. Ingat, cerita ini adalah cerita seorang bocah berusaha menggapai impiannya. Dia emg suka Sakura, ttp apakah impiannya termasuk merebut hatinya?? rasanya bukan.

Lalu ngulur-ngulur pairing war ini sebetulnya justru lebih membawa banyak mudarat daripada manfaat pd cerita ini. Klo suatu macam subplot terus2an diulur gitu, kan gak baik?? lama2 org pun bosan toh?? sama halnya di sini soal romancenya.

hehe sorry my engrish is bad

that's the problem, the moment kishi decide to make obito villain and his motive of evil is rin death, than that moment i think romantic love become serious thing to the point it moving plot(hinata confesion and sakura confension).

now why kishi halt narusaku? to make sure no proper interaction between them and yes it hurt us.

look there is a reason to make obito flasback heavily put on his relationship with rin, and i think the simialrities with narusaku is so hard to not notice.

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betul sekali yang ditunda itu hubungan(atau interaksi) mereka karena mirip dengan obirin(kurasa narusaku4g telah menerangkan hal itu) dan itu merusak dinamika ns ditambah dengan mengurangi fokus sakura dan menambah fokus hinata.
ini mengorbankan banyak hal lho. namun jika tebakanku benar dia melakukan hal ini untuk men-tnj obito. jika terjadi sesuatu terhadap sakura maka naruto bisa men-tnj obito karena ada kesamaan diantara mereka yaitu cinta bertepuk sebelah tangan. jadi narusaku secara otomatis menjadi sebuah *apa namanya* kunci untuk sebuah plot.

ini sama seperti identitas pain dan identitas obito. apa bakal dramatis kalau kita tahu identitas mereka sebelum kishi menggambarkan di manga.

tapi yah aku bisa saja salah, namun jika kita menghitung variabel variabel yang ada maka semua akan masuk akal.

and my communication skill is so poor and this is the reason for my depression.

Edited by rocci, 29 March 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[Dkey]

I'm thinking of what Codus is saying regarding any small hints that Naruto thinks of Sakura. And he is right things are fuzzy. When he expressed that monologue after he met his mother he didn't say anything about Sakura ( or someone else) he only talked about friends. When Sai deduces that Naruto loves Sakura he flipped clearly not comfortable with talking about it. Others like Jiraya Tsunade and Kakashi also deduces that from his behavior around her.

But it's not he doesn't care about her. When she was threatened by Karui's sword he reached for Sai's sword when Sai and Sakura were just realizing the threat. The team 7 reunion is even more evident.

The only thing that seems to stop from talking about it is that he doesn't feel worthy because of that promise. Are there other reasons?

[Akashi]

I'm thinking of what Codus is saying regarding any small hints that Naruto thinks of Sakura. And he is right things are fuzzy. When he expressed that monologue after he met his mother he didn't say anything about Sakura ( or someone else) he only talked about friends. When Sai deduces that Naruto loves Sakura he flipped clearly not comfortable with talking about it. Others like Jiraya Tsunade and Kakashi also deduces that from his behavior around her.

But it's not he doesn't care about her. When she was threatened by Karui's sword he reached for Sai's sword when Sai and Sakura were just realizing the threat. The team 7 reunion is even more evident.

The only thing that seems to stop from talking about it is that he doesn't feel worthy because of that promise. Are there other reasons?

Yep. Unless he saves Sasuke = keeps his promise, he refuses to think about Becoming Hokage/confessing to Sakura, exactly becase he feels unworthy. Remeber his "How can I become Hokage when I can't save one friend." Or his answer to Sai regarding confessing his feelings to Sakura "How can I? I can't even keep my promise."

So we have to wait until Sasuke vs Naruto... if he succeeds in saving him/Sasuke gets redeemed, Naruto will be able to open his heart to Sakura.

Edited by Tauriel, 29 March 2013 - 09:57 AM.