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[rocci]

It should not matter how many fans of any pairing exist, Kishi still did narusaku despite sasusaku being bigger. Again he should not let any fan base have any sway over him, he should choose what he feels is best as an artist and storyteller.

Hopefully this is just a slow time we will come out of, road to ninja is good but it's the appetizer for more interaction between naruto and sakura.

Hopefully this will all be a memory someday, in my opinion, we should not be fussing over the lack of moments when we know they will come in the future and right now in the manga, enjoy the history of hashirama and Madara, they were important for the lore but thanks to plot device no jutsu we can at least learn more about them.

There is a lot of hope for narusaku, no suprise if Kishi kept it away this long. But hey, it's a long battle with the ten tails, it's not the final, more has to come. The Kages aren't going to be lying down forever, Yamato has to be saved too. This is a big battle but the story is far from over, I have faith in narusaku and still stand by my prediction that the current battle will end when the true form of the ten tails emerges, they even called it a larval stage, larva have to go into a suspended state to mature, the ten tails should do this too. The madara just trolls everyone, he can make an army of sussano or call that big one and do it effortlessly as an edo zombie for now. Not hard to imagine this causing a retreat for the alliance so they cannot do anything to the ten tails or obito as it matures. (Actually if they kill obito now, the world is doomed, no one else can stop the ten tails if it becomes unbound, this is quite the pickle for everyone)

Yeah there is a lot for narusaku, one reason we like it, as their relationship is concerned from high and low good and bad, they endure. Our fandom does as well, narusaku will come again, nothing is said and done until later on. There are many more events to come, it's not game over yet, there is a lot of room left for the possibility of it happening.

agree 100% this is also my prediction even though the alliance has been surge by naruto/kurama chakra but they still fight overpower enemies. one is untouchable, the other one is undead superman. and then you must fight a god, literally.

and madara can do AOE jutsu. the only thing to fakku up team fight is AOE jutsu. and madara have it. and if it happen naruto will again need charge. at that time sakura, the kage, and posibly sai enter the fray.

that's why i belive sakura will shine along with four kage(i belive tsunade cann't make it). and this is when obito will be tnj if sakura indeed get hurt than obito will be finish.

and after that madara will take control, not long but dead hokage come and hashirama along with naruto tnj madara.

juubi running out gas and vomit it load. well it sound like fanfiction

[AzureWaters]

The general consensus here appears to be that NaruSaku will be given development once the focus gets back to the battlefield. And if I'm correct NaruSaku4life, you say that this is a "do or die" opportunity.

Given this, how will your opinion change on the pairing's chances if Sakura (or NS) isn't given panel time once we do get back to that? In the worst case scenario, how about if Hinata is still shown supporting or being near Naruto? Would you still believe that Kishi's still planning on giving focus or even going for this pairing at all?

[Shadow1275]

Well the focus was mainly naruto and his parents, but he chose naruto and Sakura's as secondary, this movie did prove they have the right basis for a close friendship to be able to become something more. Not to mention if this was the most emotional movie, it's hard to imagine him just shafting this, it's like he goes all crazy and pushes the self destruct button in his office blowing up all his storyboards and replaces it with naruhina fanfiction using copy and paste operations for the rest of the series.

Hahaha true. Part of Sakura's story arc is definitely her feelings for Naruto vs. her feelings for Sasuke. These were put at odds the moment Sasuke left Konoha and Sakura began to believe in Naruto which is why her second to last development is going to be us seeing these feelings mature. Or her maturing into a full-grown woman who is tired of the abuse. Don't forget what Naruto said to her when she asked him if she was more mature. "You haven't changed at all!" Their might not be much to this but in my opinion there is too much colaborating evidence pointing towards this.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The general consensus here appears to be that NaruSaku will be given development once the focus gets back to the battlefield. And if I'm correct NaruSaku4life, you say that this is a "do or die" opportunity.

Given this, how will your opinion change on the pairing's chances if Sakura (or NS) isn't given panel time once we do get back to that? In the worst case scenario, how about if Hinata is still shown supporting or being near Naruto? Would you still believe that Kishi's still planning on giving focus or even going for this pairing at all?

Not really. If NS gets a moment, there's nothing to worry about anymore and like Tobi revealing that he got the eyes the same time as Kakashi, it will be obvious who's going to win in the end. Also, Hinata can be still support Naruto...in the background like the others because Sasuke is one, if not the last battle that Naruto must enters and Sakura still have stuff in her mind, mainly the death of two quote. No one knows but her out of the friends. NH really feels at its end and the only way to make it work is if there's no NS moment at all. That's hard, especially Team 7 focus is coming.

[Don-kun]

I notice that when we speak about debate and Manga fact NS haves a lot of argument to back up his claim, Kishi interview about Sakura confession, DB, the development they have in the Manga, the parallels drawn that are similar to their relationship, Sakura feelings towards Naruto not being clear, etc, etc.

Honestly NaruSaku has all the ingredient to become the final pairing, but despite all of that, I don't know if I being doing to much thinking but why since chapter 540 Kishimoto has only focus on NH or Hinata's feelings? Why did he speak so sweet about her in his movie interview? Why did he say that if he had to date one of his female character it would be Hinata? Why did he made the cover of a Manga with Naruto and Hinata holding hands as the highlight of the moment? I know there is one where Naruto carries an ax that says Sakura, but that still isn't anywhere close to what Kishi has done for SS and NH.

Again NS have something non of the other two pairing haves, they have all the focus, the advantage of Naruto feelings being more important than the girls feelings, plus Sakura is the only one shown to want to comfort her unrequited love.
Not to mention the Movie made by Kishimoto, the obvious hints from the Anime, why do we have Hinata centric when her relation with Naruto was never that deep or even explored? Why Naruto and Sakura aren't that close anymore? Is Kishimoto still the Author of this Manga or Someone else take over? Did one of his child's pleaded him to change the direction of the pairing or something because the latest Manga chapters starting from 540 until the date are really confusing me.

[Shadow1275]

I notice that when we speak about debate and Manga fact NS haves a lot of argument to back up his claim, Kishi interview about Sakura confession, DB, the development they have in the Manga, the parallels drawn that are similar to their relationship, Sakura feelings towards Naruto not being clear, etc, etc.

Honestly NaruSaku has all the ingredient to become the final pairing, but despite all of that, I don't know if I being doing to much thinking but why since chapter 540 Kishimoto has only focus on NH or Hinata's feelings? Why did he speak so sweet about her in his movie interview? Why did he say that if he had to date one of his female character it would be Hinata? Why did he made the cover of a Manga with Naruto and Hinata holding hands as the highlight of the moment? I know there is one where Naruto carries an ax that says Sakura, but that still isn't anywhere close to what Kishi has done for SS and NH.

Again NS have something non of the other two pairing haves, they have all the focus, the advantage of Naruto feelings being more important than the girls feelings, plus Sakura is the only one shown to want to comfort her unrequited love.
Not to mention the Movie made by Kishimoto, the obvious hints from the Anime, why do we have Hinata centric when her relation with Naruto was never that deep or even explored? Why Naruto and Sakura aren't that close anymore? Is Kishimoto still the Author of this Manga or Someone else take over? Did one of his child's pleaded him to change the direction of the pairing or something because the latest Manga chapters starting from 540 until the date are really confusing me.

Read all of my earlier threads. There is a lot of evidence pointing to a different conclusion than NaruxHina. Especially the one's focused on 615, and ch. 540.

Edited by Shadow1275, 29 March 2013 - 04:30 AM.

[rocci]

I notice that when we speak about debate and Manga fact NS haves a lot of argument to back up his claim, Kishi interview about Sakura confession, DB, the development they have in the Manga, the parallels drawn that are similar to their relationship, Sakura feelings towards Naruto not being clear, etc, etc.

Honestly NaruSaku has all the ingredient to become the final pairing, but despite all of that, I don't know if I being doing to much thinking but why since chapter 540 Kishimoto has only focus on NH or Hinata's feelings? Why did he speak so sweet about her in his movie interview? Why did he say that if he had to date one of his female character it would be Hinata? Why did he made the cover of a Manga with Naruto and Hinata holding hands as the highlight of the moment? I know there is one where Naruto carries an ax that says Sakura, but that still isn't anywhere close to what Kishi has done for SS and NH.

Again NS have something non of the other two pairing haves, they have all the focus, the advantage of Naruto feelings being more important than the girls feelings, plus Sakura is the only one shown to want to comfort her unrequited love.
Not to mention the Movie made by Kishimoto, the obvious hints from the Anime, why do we have Hinata centric when her relation with Naruto was never that deep or even explored? Why Naruto and Sakura aren't that close anymore? Is Kishimoto still the Author of this Manga or Someone else take over? Did one of his child's pleaded him to change the direction of the pairing or something because the latest Manga chapters starting from 540 until the date are really confusing me.

one of the possibility is he change his mind for whathever reason that can come up, or

red herring just like tobi(again) theory.

[TouKen4Life3g]

one of the possibility is he change his mind for whathever reason that can come up, or

red herring just like tobi(again) theory.

All bets on the latter.

[Shadow1275]

All bets on the latter.

Got your back there Bra

[AzureWaters]

Not really. If NS gets a moment, there's nothing to worry about anymore and like Tobi revealing that he got the eyes the same time as Kakashi, it will be obvious who's going to win in the end. Also, Hinata can be still support Naruto...in the background like the others because Sasuke is one, if not the last battle that Naruto must enters and Sakura still have stuff in her mind, mainly the death of two quote. No one knows but her out of the friends. NH really feels at its end and the only way to make it work is if there's no NS moment at all. That's hard, especially Team 7 focus is coming.

Hm, but I'm specifically talking about refocus on the battlefield, when Naruto is still fighting Obito and Madara with the rest of the alliance. Sasuke may arrive, but that battle between he and Naruto won't be for awhile, likely after the big bads are taken care of.

Also Team 7 can be brought up without having romantic NaruSaku. I wonder if your thinking of a scene where Sakura shows that she cares for Naruto when it comes to that. If so there is a way to do it without the romantic implications, especially if Sasuke is involved somehow.

I mean a definite NaruSaku moment, where the scene is obviously shippy and not just teammate friendly. <--- that needs to happen if the pairing's going to work, and I'm asking your opinion on if it doesn't by the time we get back to Naruto, what will your perspective be.

[Baguette]

Read all of my earlier threads. There is a lot of evidence pointing to a different conclusion than NaruxHina. Especially the one's focused on 615, and ch. 540.

Speaking of Ch. 540, I still need help proving that Sakura's depression was caused by the fact that she knows Sasuke is not a great guy and is therefore ashamed of her feelings, and NOT by the fact that she can't have Sasuke.
That debate is driving me crazy

Edited by Baguette, 29 March 2013 - 04:44 AM.

[Shadow1275]

Speaking of Ch. 540, I still need help proving that Sakura's depression was caused by the fact that she knows Sasuke is not a great guy and is therefore ashamed of her feelings, and NOT by the fact that she can't have Sasuke.
That debate is driving me crazy

What does the guy say after she tells him she loves someone else? He must be a GOOD man. That is when she makes that sad look. Couple that with the fact that she tried to kill him and you should be all set.

[Baguette]

What does the guy say after she tells him she loves someone else? He must be a GOOD man. That is when she makes that sad look. Couple that with the fact that she tried to kill him and you should be all set.

Nope. The other guy could easily come back and counter with the fact that she COULDN'T bring herself to kill him in the end. From this, he can once again conclude that Sakura still thinks he's a "great guy" through her love for him (which itself is also one of his main arguments).

Edited by Baguette, 29 March 2013 - 04:54 AM.

[Don-kun]

Read all of my earlier threads. There is a lot of evidence pointing to a different conclusion than NaruxHina. Especially the one's focused on 615, and ch. 540.

That was precisely what I said NS has all the evidence that supports the idea of that pairing being the only one standing in the end so what is all this madness Kishimoto or who ever is in charge of the Manga is doing? This focus on Hinata and her feelings especially the highlight moment of chapter 615 on a Vol. cover does not make any sense. Why an Author will create scenarios for a side character to shine more than his Manga heroine and why would he go out of his way to avoid his Hero and Heroine talking, being concern about each other, fighting together, supporting each other etc.
Honestly when it comes to the romance department this Manga currently fell like one of those really bad NH fanfic where the Author completely wipes out Sakura of his story because he doesn't like her.
Hinata might not be the heroine but she is definitely acting more heroine like than Sakura since the alliance arrived.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hm, but I'm specifically talking about refocus on the battlefield, when Naruto is still fighting Obito and Madara with the rest of the alliance. Sasuke may arrive, but that battle between he and Naruto won't be for awhile, likely after the big bads are taken care of.

Also Team 7 can be brought up without having romantic NaruSaku. I wonder if your thinking of a scene where Sakura shows that she cares for Naruto when it comes to that. If so there is a way to do it without the romantic implications, especially if Sasuke is involved somehow.

I mean a definite NaruSaku moment, where the scene is obviously shippy and not just teammate friendly. <--- that needs to happen if the pairing's going to work, and I'm asking your opinion on if it doesn't by the time we get back to Naruto, what will your perspective be.

Not saying it has to happen in that moment, but it is given. The next battle can be anything and you and I can't make a concrete answer that there will be no NS moment, or even Sakura moment. Honestly, the last talk before the final battle can be the most decisive moment because it feels like a strong speech from Naruto will occur and honestly, it's really hard to get away from it. I got this experience from the past anime/manga, recent and back then. You shouldn't be down for anything. Even the parallel confirmation will kill NH. Point is we got to wait and see. And honestly, 615 is a battle between romance intention or friendship intention. If Naruto still loves Sakura, then all past developments will be confirmed as friendship. No way around it. Don't be paranoid for every small bit. Just wait until the moment comes.

[Shadow1275]

Nope. The other guy could easily come back and counter with the fact that she COULDN'T bring herself to kill him in the end. From this, he can once again conclude that Sakura still thinks he's a "great guy" through her love for him (which itself is also one of his main arguments).

Forget the whole killing thing. The bottom line is she does not think about Sasuke until AFTER he says the line about being a great man. And if he thinks that her face when she thinks of sasuke means that she still believes he is a great man, than he's not worth debating with. See if you can post the page too to hammer in the part about her face. She doesn't look happy period. She looks guilty because she just told this guy that she is in love with a great guy who has killed in cold blood.

[Shadow1275]

That was precisely what I said NS has all the evidence that supports the idea of that pairing being the only one standing in the end so what is all this madness Kishimoto or who ever is in charge of the Manga is doing? This focus on Hinata and her feelings especially the highlight moment of chapter 615 on a Vol. cover does not make any sense. Why an Author will create scenarios for a side character to shine more than his Manga heroine and why would he go out of his way to avoid his Hero and Heroine talking, being concern about each other, fighting together, supporting each other etc.
Honestly when it comes to the romance department this Manga currently fell like one of those really bad NH fanfic where the Author completely wipes out Sakura of his story because he doesn't like her.
Hinata might not be the heroine but she is definitely acting more heroine like than Sakura since the alliance arrived.

While there are two possibilities. One that kishimoto is setting up Naru/Hina. But then why devote all these panels during these moments where Hinata is the main figure and Sakura gets a close up where she looks horrified?

2. He doesn't want to commit because it means more money and makes more interesting. This one sounds a lot more likely to me because of all the evidence that you stated. Relax buddy. Hinata was due for some sort of spotlight after being ignored for over a 100 chapters. Sakura's turn is coming up next.

To me Hinata's love seems more like Hero worship especially if you consider that when Hinata holds hands with Naruto Sakura does not look happy, When Sakura realizes that Hinata loves Naruto she does not look happy, but when Sakura hugs Naruto after the Pain arc she has a smile on her face. Also Naruto's feelings for Hinata are one-sided because after two confessions there is still no answer.

Edited by Shadow1275, 29 March 2013 - 05:15 AM.

[Baguette]

Forget the whole killing thing. The bottom line is she does not think about Sasuke until AFTER he says the line about being a great man. And if he thinks that her face when she thinks of sasuke means that she still believes he is a great man, than he's not worth debating with. See if you can post the page too to hammer in the part about her face. She doesn't look happy period. She looks guilty because she just told this guy that she is in love with a great guy who has killed in cold blood.

The problem is that he's twisting the chronology of her feelings towards Sasuke while ignoring her development.
I mentioned that the Team 7 reunion during the Kage summit arc was the first time that she witnessed firsthand how far Sasuke was willing to go for the sake of revenge. Thus, Ch. 540 acts as the first instance in which she reflects upon her love for Sasuke, having realized that her love for Sasuke was not a positive feeling.

He counters with saying that the mere fact that she still unjustifiably loves him after witnessing his descent to evil makes her a bad character, and again concludes that she's only depressed because of the fact that he's far gone and she can't have him.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Forget the whole killing thing. The bottom line is she does not think about Sasuke until AFTER he says the line about being a great man. And if he thinks that her face when she thinks of sasuke means that she still believes he is a great man, than he's not worth debating with. See if you can post the page too to hammer in the part about her face. She doesn't look happy period. She looks guilty because she just told this guy that she is in love with a great guy who has killed in cold blood.

Sakura has entered the phase of what's best for her. It seems Ino went through that and due to being side character and have a shortcut (father), it seems her resolve has either came close or going through extreme fast process of completion. If that's so, what/who is Sakura's answer?

[Shadow1275]

The problem is that he's twisting the chronology of her feelings towards Sasuke while ignoring her development.
I mentioned that the Team 7 reunion during the Kage summit arc was the first time that she witnessed firsthand how far Sasuke was willing to go for the sake of revenge. Thus, Ch. 540 acts as the first instance in which she reflects upon her love for Sasuke, having realized that her love for Sasuke was not a positive feeling.

He counters with saying that the mere fact that she still unjustifiably loves him after witnessing his descent to evil makes her a bad character, and again concludes that she's only depressed because of the fact that he's far gone and she can't have him.

I think that he is really grasping and he is only going to see things his way. Even though she could not pull it off, it is during the Kage summit Arc that she decides to try to kill him so she already knows that sasuke is evil. She also gave up on her dream of team 7 being reunited and effectively gaining back sasuke because she thanks Naruto for restoring her dream showing that her main dream is not to be reunited with Sasuke but to see team 7 happy again, and that her feelings for him are slowly beginning to change. As for when she starts reflecting, if she decided to kill him or at least try to kill him then that would take some reflection. Bottom line is though that which statement she reacts to and the whole face thing is pretty strong and if he doesn't want to listen to that then he is never going to quit no matter how many facts you toss at him. As for Sakura being a bad character, she is one of the better characters in the bunch because she is realistic.

Edited by Shadow1275, 29 March 2013 - 05:33 AM.