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[KnS]

Am I the only one that feels like this year is romantic based? I don't know but maybe that new Harry Potter news really got me thinking.

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the Potter news is in no way a good thing for NS.

 

What JK Rowling has done with this announcement is equivalent to what would happen if Kishimoto were to end his story with Naruto and Sakura getting together, and then seven years later he does an interview wherein he says he was a slave to his original plot for personal reasons, and he now regrets that he put NS together and should have put Naruto with Hinata instead.  

 

It would be a complete WTF moment, and that's what is happening in what's left of the Potter fandom right now.  After purposely writing toward Ron/Hermione throughout the entire series, leaving what Rowling herself called "anvil-sized hints" that Ron/Hermione was endgame, and laughing when Emerson Spartz said that H/Hr fans were "delusional", and defending R/Hr against all the H/Hr fans by saying that Harry and Hermione's relationship was more like brother and sister, she's now saying it was a mistake to have stuck with writing the plot she originally envisioned...?

 

We had better hope that Kishimoto doesn't do the same, only while he has time rather than after the fact.  We had better hope he doesn't say, "Well, I know I set up NS from the beginning, and I've written toward that as the final pairing, but I don't want to stick with it just because that's what I wanted and decided in the beginning.  So I'm going to trash everything I've set up and go with Naruto/Hinata." 

 

In the end it really doesn't matter what Rowling says after the fact.  Of course the diehard H/Hr fans are going to feel vindicated, but Rowling still wrote what she wrote, and she wrote Ron/Hermione throughout the entire story.  It was never H/Hr and she said so herself.  That she looks back now and thinks maybe Harry and Hermione might have made a better match doesn't change what's printed on the pages of her books.

 

In all honesty, this news has given me a greater sense of fear that the NH camp has hope than I've ever felt before.  Authors can completely reverse their opinions, and desire to change the outcome of what they carefully built.  The argument that "no author worth their salt would trash everything they've worked for" has just been smashed by Rowling.  Kishimoto could do it too.

Edited by KnS, 02 February 2014 - 08:52 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the Potter news is in no way a good thing for NS.
 
What JK Rowling has done with this announcement is equivalent to what would happen if Kishimoto were to end his story with Naruto and Sakura getting together, and then seven years later he does an interview wherein he says he was a slave to his original plot for personal reasons, and he now regrets that he put NS together and should have put Naruto with Hinata instead.  
 
It would be a complete WTF moment, and that's what is happening in what's left of the Potter fandom right now.  After purposely writing toward Ron/Hermione throughout the entire series, leaving what Rowling herself called "anvil-sized hints" that Ron/Hermione was endgame, and laughing when Emerson Spartz said that H/Hr fans were "delusional", and defending R/Hr against all the H/Hr fans by saying that Harry and Hermione's relationship was more like brother and sister, she's now saying it was a mistake to have stuck with writing the plot she originally envisioned...?
 
We had better hope that Kishimoto doesn't do the same, only while he has time rather than after the fact.  We had better hope he doesn't say, "Well, I know I set up NS from the beginning, and I've written toward that as the final pairing, but I don't want to stick with it just because that's what I wanted and decided in the beginning.  So I'm going to trash everything I've set up and go with Naruto/Hinata." 
 
In the end it really doesn't matter what Rowling says after the fact.  Of course the diehard H/Hr fans are going to feel vindicated, but Rowling still wrote what she wrote, and she wrote Ron/Hermione throughout the entire story.  It was never H/Hr and she said so herself.  That she looks back now and thinks maybe Harry and Hermione might have made a better match doesn't change what's printed on the pages of her books.
 
In all honesty, this news has given me a greater sense of fear that the NH camp has hope than I've ever felt before.  Authors can completely reverse their opinions, and desire to change the outcome of what they carefully built.  The argument that "no author worth their salt would trash everything they've worked for" has just been smashed by Rowling.  Kishimoto could do it too.

I never said anything about comparison to NS let alone Naruto. My point is only about romance talk being the topic of this year. That's all. Nothing more than that. That said I wouldn't even think that. Kishi could have gone his way if he wanted to in the movie since it's not even canon yet still plays his way, which still screams NS. Hell, it almost felt for DBZ OVA, Akira kind of regret of Yamucha and Bulma by having him saving her for a small scene. It's nitpick but sometimes, you can sense it. Anyway, my point is romance is like the new topic, much like for lack of better words and I do apologize if I offend, last year was women movement (games offering female characters, protagonist, much more criticism on portrayal of women in media, etc.). That's all I'm saying.

[Hiraishin]

Meh. Anything is possible, but Kishimoto is not Rowling.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Funny because now it seems like closet H/HR is coming out, but maybe that's just me. Funny thing is I thought so long ago, only because I watched movies first then books. Well it's no wonder I didn't care romance in Harry. What a mess.

[luffyq1]

Arthor succumbs to the pressure of fans? Pathetic.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Arthor succumbs to the pressure of fans? Pathetic.

Sucks that you (not you you, the creator/author) lose your own respect by following fans.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 02 February 2014 - 09:33 PM.

[Moon_Girl]

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the Potter news is in no way a good thing for NS.

 

What JK Rowling has done with this announcement is equivalent to what would happen if Kishimoto were to end his story with Naruto and Sakura getting together, and then seven years later he does an interview wherein he says he was a slave to his original plot for personal reasons, and he now regrets that he put NS together and should have put Naruto with Hinata instead.  

 

It would be a complete WTF moment, and that's what is happening in what's left of the Potter fandom right now.  After purposely writing toward Ron/Hermione throughout the entire series, leaving what Rowling herself called "anvil-sized hints" that Ron/Hermione was endgame, and laughing when Emerson Spartz said that H/Hr fans were "delusional", and defending R/Hr against all the H/Hr fans by saying that Harry and Hermione's relationship was more like brother and sister, she's now saying it was a mistake to have stuck with writing the plot she originally envisioned...?

 

We had better hope that Kishimoto doesn't do the same, only while he has time rather than after the fact.  We had better hope he doesn't say, "Well, I know I set up NS from the beginning, and I've written toward that as the final pairing, but I don't want to stick with it just because that's what I wanted and decided in the beginning.  So I'm going to trash everything I've set up and go with Naruto/Hinata." 

 

In the end it really doesn't matter what Rowling says after the fact.  Of course the diehard H/Hr fans are going to feel vindicated, but Rowling still wrote what she wrote, and she wrote Ron/Hermione throughout the entire story.  It was never H/Hr and she said so herself.  That she looks back now and thinks maybe Harry and Hermione might have made a better match doesn't change what's printed on the pages of her books.

 

In all honesty, this news has given me a greater sense of fear that the NH camp has hope than I've ever felt before.  Authors can completely reverse their opinions, and desire to change the outcome of what they carefully built.  The argument that "no author worth their salt would trash everything they've worked for" has just been smashed by Rowling.  Kishimoto could do it too.

 

I never read the books or watched the movies, so I probably don't have a legit say on this. But from what I've seen and heard, Rowling cares much more about romance than Kishimoto.

Apples and Oranges.

I highly doubt Kishi would, sometime after the series is finished, go on about how he made a mistake with pairings. Besides, I personally think that Kishi couldn't pull off the other pairings without changing somewhat important factors in the series. (Assuming NaruSaku is truely going to end up canon. I believe it is, but ya know. Not over til' it's over.)

[TouKen4Life3g]

I like to see it as Kishi being simple minded with romance with very depth insight (selfless, sacrifices, etc.) while Rowling being complicated minded with romance with over the place insight (Harry/Ginny being heavily regarded as crap, etc.) To each of their own, I guess.

[redragon88]

Just do what FMA did: use pictures to let you know what happened to others as the main get the conclusion as well as a pic of Naruto and his family. That's all it needs to be done in a quick fashion.

 

Just as long as there's a picture of Sasuke with a "Hitler stache".

 

By the way, I got curious so I typed "Harry Potter news" on google to see what you were talking about....... it was the most hilarious thing ever.

 

I can already see part of the Naruto fandom using that for their own benefit one way or another.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Just as long as there's a picture of Sasuke with a "Hitler stache".
 
By the way, I got curious so I typed "Harry Potter news" on google to see what you were talking about....... it was the most hilarious thing ever.
 
I can already see part of the Naruto fandom using that for their own benefit one way or another.

Ah, sorry I didn't provide a source. It's spreading already. Lol stache. I know what you mean.

[Inferno180]

I guess incest is quite a common thing in Narutoverse; at least in clans like Hyuuga and Uchiha.. I guess they like to keep their blood pure. I'd also like to know if there are marriages between members of different clans (aside from Hashi {senju} and Mito {uzumaki}). It seems like it's mostly either incest/marriages with people who don't belong to any clan (Minato and Kushina).
I wonder how ShikaIno, KibaHina, SasuKarin etc. kids would look like (dogs with byakugan, no? ) and what powers would they have.

Claim down the naruto universe isn't like that, when you think like that, it's implying that all or most marriages are within the clans, it's not. When you say it like that, it's implying everyone in the universe should run around with genetic issues. If anything naruto has obeyed real world genetic law and there's a reason for things being normal as they are.

Aside from hashirama-mito, minato-Kushina, and asuma-kernei, we don't have any other clans that actually limit their bloodlines like the Hugya. For all we know it's possible the moms of Sasuke, shikamaru, choji, and ino aren't direct blood members of their clans. We even know others in relations like minato, both Sakura's parents, and kurenai are not members of any clan (well kurenai mentioned a clan once like Kakashi but it's never been proven). The deal is in the naruto universe, clans are large families but most don't bar marriage outside but it's also kinda like clans are similar to heritage, like if a thousand members of the sarotobi clan existed, then they could marry have children without genetic issues. Generally it's like itachi and sushei were related by genetic ancestry but not direct biological family. Not like neji and hinata who are cousins being close but it's like how naruto could if he wanted, marry Karin, both are from the same uzumaki by genetic ancestry but there's no relation up close so no genetic issues if a child came. Basically it's like each ninja in a clan has direct family members but are distantly related to others of the same powers. Basically every ninja who is a member of some clan that has a family (or had) has those who they are closely related too (immediate family) and the clan (or larger family) who they share only a relation by shared ancestry, basically let's take itachi, he is related to Sasuke by blood directly, but has no direct blood relation to Sushei save by uchiha blood or with the sharigan, same with ino to another like yakamana like fu (one of danzos guards) and Santa yakamana.

Edited by Inferno180, 02 February 2014 - 11:29 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I guess incest is quite a common thing in Narutoverse; at least in clans like Hyuuga and Uchiha.. I guess they like to keep their blood pure. I'd also like to know if there are marriages between members of different clans (aside from Hashi {senju} and Mito {uzumaki}). It seems like it's mostly either incest/marriages with people who don't belong to any clan (Minato and Kushina).

I wonder how ShikaIno, KibaHina, SasuKarin etc. kids would look like (dogs with byakugan, no? ) and what powers would they have.

If it's legal on Japan it's legal on Narutoverse.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 February 2014 - 11:41 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ok, Im going to write one special post soon about this, but in the meantime, let me ask you all this and be honest. No matter what, Naruto wont die or stay dead forever. Anyway, with all that being said

How many of you want Naruto to die for drama impact?

[sushi.]

Ok, Im going to write one special post soon about this, but in the meantime, let me ask you all this and be honest. No matter what, Naruto wont die or stay dead forever. Anyway, with all that being said

How many of you want Naruto to die for drama impact?

This should be secondary. I want him to die for many things, or almost die. This situation will trigger many emotions and realizations, power-ups, character development, reunions and closure(meeting loved ones in the afterlife). But I realized now there's a lot of drama in what I mentioned..

Last but not least because it's realistic. It's a war and plot armor is not my favourite word. This will make Naruto, and everyone else struggle. Can't tell you more spesific than that, I'm not really sure. Hope I didn't miss anything.

 

Sasuke's death is suspiscious though. It was just too easy.. So easy it seems he died for the plot, like Kishi thought "If I kill Sasuke, this can finally happen". The whole set-up also tells me it's no coincidence he's dying the same time as Naruto..

Edited by sushi., 03 February 2014 - 12:35 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This should be secondary. I want him to die for many things, or almost die. This situation will trigger many emotions and realizations, power-ups, character development, reunions and closure(meeting loved ones in the afterlife). But I realized now there's a lot of drama in what I mentioned..
Last but not least because it's realistic. It's a war and plot armor is not my favourite word. This will make Naruto, and everyone else struggle. Can't tell you more spesific than that, I'm not really sure. Hope I didn't miss anything.
 
Sasuke's death is suspiscious though. It was just too easy.. So easy it seems he died for the plot, like Kishi thought "If I kill Sasuke, this can finally happen". The whole set-up also tells me it's no coincidence he's dying the same time as Naruto..

Good answer. You know, Naruto would have died earlier but Sakura is stalling it. Sadly, she's running dry.

[Dalton.T.R]

Arthor succumbs to the pressure of fans? Pathetic.

A writer who gives into his or her fanbase is not a writer at all. It's YOUR story. YOU make the calls. YOU'RE the GOD in your created little universe, YOU'RE the one in charge. If the fans don't like it, well, though kitten for them.

[TouKen4Life3g]

A writer who gives into his or her fanbase is not a writer at all. It's YOUR story. YOU make the calls. YOU'RE the GOD in your created little universe, YOU'RE the one in charge. If the fans don't like it, well, though kitten for them.

Amen.

For those who watching the game.....Just think the winner is NS team if you're not rooting for them before. Good God...

[Dalton.T.R]

 

I never read the books or watched the movies, so I probably don't have a legit say on this. But from what I've seen and heard, Rowling cares much more about romance than Kishimoto.

Apples and Oranges.

I highly doubt Kishi would, sometime after the series is finished, go on about how he made a mistake with pairings. Besides, I personally think that Kishi couldn't pull off the other pairings without changing somewhat important factors in the series. (Assuming NaruSaku is truely going to end up canon. I believe it is, but ya know. Not over til' it's over.)

Didn't he say he based Naruto off himself, and the author of One Piece said his wife looked a lot like Sakura at his wedding. Is it possible he got the idea of Sakura when he just met his wife? (As in they weren't husband and wife yet, they had just met, and Kishi liked the look of her and developed Sakura to look like her.)

 

I think it'd be a little weird to regret not putting a character you based off yourself with a character similar to your own wife.  

[Superman333]

I'm quite interested in who Ino will end up with. If I recall, dying Asuma said she shouldn't lose to Sakura in love.. so there's a chance we'll see her future boyfriend/husband. I really hope it's not gonna be Sai (for obvious reasons ). And she still needs to get over Sasuke. C'mon gurl!!!

I always shipped ShikaIno rather than TemariShika . I like Sai and Ino too .

[Inferno180]

As much as the waiting is killing us, least its not intensifying. I mean JK Rowling just did the worst thing possible, she said regrets the Ron and Herminoe pairing stuff.

 

Source: http://www.ign.com/a...-to-emma-watson

 

We all knew how the potter pairing wars were among the most insane and bloodthursty, makes our own pairing war seem like a saint. But now people are arguing over the fact she did it in the past with the intent, it doesnt matter now and with others screaming hah she doesnt like it, well now the potter pairing wars have become rekindled with a terrible fact, what the author said years after the ending occured.

 

This just makes me go, oh my god. I mean, can you seriously think how the naruto pairing fandom would react years from now if NS went canon before hand and then kishi said he regretted it? Could you even imagine how terrible it would be? Now I know rowling and kishi are vastly different, rowling used a lot of writing in her books for some more of a balance between the two herminoe pairings that people argued over, but in Naruto, yeah NS is the one with the lions share by far.

 

Now I'm just going to say its unlikely this would ever happen, I doubt kishi would do that but just the fact Rowling, of all authors did this? Now makes me wonder how insane other fanbases would react if say the avatar creators said they regretted Aang and Katara meaning now korra is all messed up. Its unlikely anyone would do this given many authors tend to be content with how they bring an end to their stories, I mean it seems kishi is satisfied with doing as best he can in the hopeless situation he has drawn up for the heroes but dam, rowling of all people? The author of a series where the most intense pairing wars ever occured has just rekindled a flame of war among fans. Unlike other fandoms where they spend time saying why a pairing should have happened, now the potter fans are going to be arguing over past and present views of rowling herself saying "It doesnt matter what she says now, she wrote Ron X Herminoe in the past with the intent to do it, if she really regrets it its too late and makes no difference now." While others will counter with "See how bad it was? Now Rowling hates it, she offically said she hates Ron X Herminoe, Harry X Herminoe was supposed to happen and she regrets her choice for not doing it."

 

God, I'm glad I never took part in that pairing war.

Edited by Inferno180, 03 February 2014 - 03:52 AM.