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#13981 Akashi

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:28 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 28 2013, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could be with Sasuke???? or Sai. I'm quite curious who she will end up with.

No, he's not her true love. Just a childish crush on the popular boy. I want her to end up with someone who will love her like, say Naruto loves Sakura.

@Codus N I believe that 615 and 617 moments plus Sakura's absence is the price we should pay in order to see some grand NaruSaku moment. I believe that after Hashirama finishes his story, Kishimoto will show us Sakura and Sai.

EDIT: I actually loved that scene when Naruto was trying to tell Sakura to heal Kakashi & others first of all.... he didn't even have to say so, she understood him without words:
"Sakura-chan, first of all...."
"..I know..."

Edited by Tauriel, 28 March 2013 - 02:31 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Mar 28 2013, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unless Naruto confesses to liking Hinata she is out of plot devices. If Hinata has already confessed twice, and Naruto does not have a one-track mind, than why has he not answered her. Plus in road to Ninja, SasuSaku NaruHina are sort of pushed to the side as Naruto in the end ends up saving Sakura in the end. Normally movies don't make a difference but Kishimoto wrote the script for the movie.


That is precisely the problem. If he really does have a one-track mind about his love and devotion to Sakura, then we should be seeing it more often. If nothing else, it reaffirms his feelings for her and that it's a very strong feeling he has.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Mar 28 2013, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, he's not her true love. Just a childish crush on the popular boy. I want her to end up with someone who will love her like, say Naruto loves Sakura.

@Codus N I believe that 615 and 617 moments plus Sakura's absence is the price we should pay in order to see some grand NaruSaku moment. I believe that after Hashirama finishes his story, Kishimoto will show us Sakura and Sai.

EDIT: I actually loved that scene when Naruto was trying to tell Sakura to heal Kakashi & others first of all.... he didn't even have to say so, she understood him without words:
"Sakura-chan, first of all...."
"..I know..."


Choji!!! he's a good guy never hurt anyone. InoChoji would be awesome biggrin.gif

EDIT - Codus N -
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That is precisely the problem. If he really does have a one-track mind about his love and devotion to Sakura, then we should be seeing it more often. If nothing else, it reaffirms his feelings for her and that it's a very strong feeling he has.


Yeah, it's funny how Naruto isn't just thinking SAKURRAAAAA-CHAN!!!!. I hope he confronts Hinata and says he can't return her feelings and does it without hurting Hinata. I'm sure he will though wink.gif

Edited by HauntedCake, 28 March 2013 - 02:43 PM.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:43 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 28 2013, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Choji!!! he's a good guy never hurt anyone. InoChoji would be awesome biggrin.gif

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Lol, I was looking for RTN pic of Team 10, but stumbled upon this

OMG, It's like 75% canon.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

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EDIT: I am really, really sorry for posting this and I feel kind of bad now because I see things have gotten a little happier since I started writing this post sad.gif. But I still stand by what I say.



1) No. Hinata did NOT do what Sakura should've done. Hinata did exactly as her character entails. Hinata's character from the beginning has been about being inspired by Naruto. It makes sense that now she gets to do the inspiring. Had Sakura been there in that moment then Kishimoto would just later on give her another moment to shine. No matter which way you cut it that was NOT meant for Sakura, it was meant for Hinata.

2) 'one of his darkest moments'...But not thee darkest eh? Naruto's going to have his doubts. It's what makes him human. And in those doubts as contrast to his horrible past before he's going to have friends come up and reassure him. Plenty of other times he has had down moments other characters stepped up to the plate and brought him out of it. But now that Hinata has done it suddenly it's 'OH NO SAKURA SHOULD'VE BEEN THERE!'

3) Healing Naruto is KURAMA'S thing. And how many times has it been stated that popping a dislocated shoulder back into place isn't something that takes years of medical training to learn?

4) Yes it's for her development.

5) The ten-tails is not the final boss, Sasuke is. THe ten tails is like a boss level before the final boss. This will not be Naruto's darkest moments because Naruto has no emotional investment in the 10-tails, Madara or Obito. however he does have emotion investment in Sasuke. it stands to reason that preparing for his fight with Sasuke(because YES there will be a preparing period/maybe arc and you can expect Sakura to show up) will have more emotional turmoil and Sakura will have to be by his side

6) One of the biggest moments in the manga...in a volume dedicated for the side characters. Notice how Kakashi and Sai also got no focus since the alliance showed up.

Not to sound mean here or anything but don't you think you are making a mistake here by assuming the manga will be over in a like 5 chapters or something?

And I really don't understand you that much. I've seen you make many(like MANY) statements saying 'such and such manga did this better' and 'I don't really care about Naruto anymore' and yet here you are. I think you care more than you are willing to admit honestly. And it seems liek your new role here is to constantly(CONSTANTLY) compare Naruto to (finished) manga written by more experienced authors. Do you want him to plagiarize or something? Write the same thing we've already seen over(and over) and possibly get flak for it? And for someone who jumps on others for being close-minded you don't listen to others very well yourself...



Her medic skills are not a bad thing for her characters.

Face it Sakura was SO good at being a healer, they called for her off of the freaking battlefield despite having medics from ALL of the countries who, as you said, have no battle skills.

Think about it.

Medics solely trained to do medic work could not handle the injured people from the war.

THey HAD to call in Sakura who has multiple skills to come help them. THAT'S how great she is. THAT'S how important and crucial she is.

To make things better she's a teenager working with adults. Medics and everyone needs her just like how everyone needs Naruto to fight in the war.

She also figured out how to defeat the Zetsu. Kishimoto could've EASILY had SHikamaru figure it out or one of the generals or Shizune even. But no it was the 16-17 year old GENIUS who figured out how to stop the invasion. THAT'S amazing!

Said super strength is the result of perfect chakra control which is good for many things including medics. Becoming a medic does fit her personality if you think about her character development. Sakura wants to be helpful. And she is. Have you ever heard about someone dying under her care? Have you EVER heard about her failures as a medic?

She may be a hot tempered person but she did not train under Tsunade just to learn how to fight. She wanted to learn how to be helpful, how to use her chakra control to the best of it's ability. And you know what? She did! She is also smart enough to know when to use which skills when. I hope you don't honestly think she'll abandon someone in need just to fight because that's what it sounds like(it's a WAR meaning plenty of people are getting hurt which means her medic skills are needed.) As for the unused genjutsu potential well now she has something else she can work on for the rest of her life. Do you ever hear bad things about her combat skills either?

This is gonna be my first and only time debating this. I know that normally no one normally pays attention to me here but seriously all complaining(and complaining and complaining) and hypocrisy(dear GOD the HYPOCRISY!) and of course, attacking others for the crime of having a different opinion(yes I've been attacked before for this reason on here) has turned me off from this site. I used to be excited coming here but now...nope. I still love Naruto and NaruSaku with all my heart so yeah this place isn't fun(sorry to say).

I agree, nice to see you here again (even though I dont remember you) but I agree with you ll the way.

People keep complaining that sakura played a little role in this war and hinata is stealing all thr glory, thats just silly, hinata's character is being wrapped up, plus shes hardly even doing anything, ok lets compare the two:

Sakura:

1.She helped heal Gai before the war started.

2.She appeared in the zabuza fight and healed so many ninja in her squad.

3.She found out who the secret imposter that was going around and killing everyone was and defeated him and on top of that made zetsu acknowledged her abilities and how smart she is plus she beat the cra* outta that zetsu fu.png

4.She cracked the secret behind the zetsus, with shizuneh (although shizuneh was shown to have done nothing on panel)

5.And she healed kakashi and is now healing other countless shinobi with the rest of her squad.

Now lets move on to hinata:

1.she took over watching out for enemies (for god knows what reason) while neji was recovering.

almost got her a** pulverised

2.she pep talked naruto.

......thats it....THATS IT!!! AND YOU SAY HINATA GOT MORE TIME THAN SAKURA? My apologies but your just messed up.

Hinatas character has been wrapped up, and sakura is permanently in the game, since she's the heroine.

'Nuff said.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Mar 28 2013, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Lol, I was looking for RTN pic of Team 10, but stumbled upon this

OMG, It's like 75% canon.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:21 PM

The one track mind, well I'd rather Naruto not have a one track mind when it came to Sakura, otherwise he would be just as bad as fangirl Sakura and Hinata towards him.

Naruto and Sakura are at least good enough to not have some thoughts in the middle of battle, plus Naruto cannot focus only on Sakura, this is on the fate of the world, everyone. Sasuke is the center of importance for Naruto because his goals for everything (including hokage AND sakura) exist here.

Plus remember, minor development first, if Hinata is done, kishi can just stash her around the battlefield and then Sakura comes in. Again as people keep saying Remember 617 with the healing moment? I say this:

Sakura will have big important interaction with Naruto when it comes to Sasuke, thinking anything otherwise would be insane

Sometimes I wonder, is it really hard for people to imagine Sakura confronting Naruto during some future downtime before the fight with Sasuke? As for what Kishi is putting forward, that's not to give us an image, if it was then he would only need to disregard Sakura for Naruto to not even be focused on her.

The author gives us some view on things to come but then it again changes, so while it seems like NaruHina to some, its not, now if anyone has center spotlight with naruto its lee, lee actually did something in helping to kick madara's ass, it won't last long but its the way things just were. OMG a hand holding moment and now a cover, seriously its going to take much more than that. Until Naruto and Sakura actually have interaction its not like it would make sense for Naruto to just forget about Sakura and go to Hinata, the reader's view the author gives, thats just interpretation, the way any viewer recivies it or a message is going to differ, where many saw 615-617 as NH moments, I saw its still friendship and does not stand as enough proof until we see more chapters and development. Its like if Naruto really was going to move on from Sakura, he would need closure with her and reason to look into Hinata. Not simply loving her back because she loved him, otherwise it would have made more sense for Sakura to fall for Naruto after what Sai told her due to their interaction, but kishi did not do this. No character development should be "simple" Sasuke is easily understood in this case, he had reason to go to revenge crazy mode after what Obito told him and again reason to go back after his doubt left him wanting to ask itachi what really happened and his purpose after Itachi told him, Sasuke has had a gradual shift with good meaning, it would need to be the same for what I said before when it came to Naruto and who he loves, but then again Sakura cannot revert back to just loving Sasuke like she did now can she? Its hard to imagine the series ending with Sakura STILL loving Sasuke after all he did, especially with the murder attempts and the complete limited development they had together (Sasuke literally took nothing from Sakura, though he did impact her).

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:28 PM

well codus i think i should disagree with you about this

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What she meant was that there will always be different mangas that follow different rules and put some twists into the preexisting paradigm and tropes of shonen mangas. That's the point she was trying to make. It doesn't mean the existing paradigms have to be radically changed thoroughly.

You guys keep bringing up 615, but what about 617?? is that not a big moment for her as well?? she even stole what was usually supposed to be Sakura's role. I could understand about Naruto's one track-mind being a "guarantee" for NS. But that doesn't cut it for me if it's not reinforced enough time and again.

I'll give you several examples: Natsu going "I'll save Lucy!!" rawr.gif or "I won't let anyone take away Lucy's future!! *berserker tears* " or Ed's "DON"T YOU DARE LAY A FINGER ON HER!!!"

All the above examples show the heroes' devotion to their girl. Now, if Naruto were so one track-minded about Sakura and devoted to her, wouldn't we be seeing moments like that to reaffirm his feelings?? The Kage Summit is one example, but if Kishi wants the idea of NS stuck in our minds, then he should be showing it more through Naruto's actions.

Something simple like "Everyone, Sakura-chan... wait for me!! I'm coming!!" would've done the trick. Shipping moments are supposed to give a certain push to one pairing. If Kishi wants us to accept the idea of NS, then he should be pushing it more.


yes this is another shonen manga, kishi can do wathever he pleas and yes i can be wrong too just like many guest theory in this manga. and i understand your frustasion with sakura heroine role and moment take by hinata.

but to say naruto didn't love sakura anymore without proclaim or show any sign? sorry i disagree.

the reason why he didn't shout like natsu or ed or luffy or ichigo or conan or many shonen hero to heroine is because the heroine right now is not in harm situation!!

sakura always safe and sound so why should naruto worried to her. tell me when the last time we see sakura hurt, injured, or almost death? it's done 200-300 chapter ago. the last time she fataly injured in sai arc after naruto turn into 4 tail and hurt her and you know what naruto do when he know about that? he vow not to use that power anymore.

after that well sakura always safe and sound? pain invasion? still capable to command the village when chain commando failed. after that only mental hurt with karui quetioning what sasuke mean to her, and look at naruto, he save her again, this time to make her not worry.

and in team seven reunion it will be different scene if kakashi didn't save sakura from sasuke chidori and naruto grand epic save.

in the end sakura is safe but when naruto use kage bushin to get rid zetsu and he meet sakura do you know what he said....
"it seem you are not hurt sakura"......

than we get a obirin parallel and everything make sense(at least to me) that
SAKURA WILL BE HURT. and hell will unleash by the chosen one.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Mar 28 2013, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(Sasuke literally took nothing from Sakura, though he did impact her).


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Mar 28 2013, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The one track mind, well I'd rather Naruto not have a one track mind when it came to Sakura, otherwise he would be just as bad as fangirl Sakura and Hinata towards him.

Naruto and Sakura are at least good enough to not have some thoughts in the middle of battle, plus Naruto cannot focus only on Sakura, this is on the fate of the world, everyone. Sasuke is the center of importance for Naruto because his goals for everything (including hokage AND sakura) exist here.

Plus remember, minor development first, if Hinata is done, kishi can just stash her around the battlefield and then Sakura comes in. Again as people keep saying Remember 617 with the healing moment? I say this:

Sakura will have big important interaction with Naruto when it comes to Sasuke, thinking anything otherwise would be insane

Sometimes I wonder, is it really hard for people to imagine Sakura confronting Naruto during some future downtime before the fight with Sasuke? As for what Kishi is putting forward, that's not to give us an image, if it was then he would only need to disregard Sakura for Naruto to not even be focused on her.

The author gives us some view on things to come but then it again changes, so while it seems like NaruHina to some, its not, now if anyone has center spotlight with naruto its lee, lee actually did something in helping to kick madara's ass, it won't last long but its the way things just were. OMG a hand holding moment and now a cover, seriously its going to take much more than that. Until Naruto and Sakura actually have interaction its not like it would make sense for Naruto to just forget about Sakura and go to Hinata, the reader's view the author gives, thats just interpretation, the way any viewer recivies it or a message is going to differ, where many saw 615-617 as NH moments, I saw its still friendship and does not stand as enough proof until we see more chapters and development. Its like if Naruto really was going to move on from Sakura, he would need closure with her and reason to look into Hinata. Not simply loving her back because she loved him, otherwise it would have made more sense for Sakura to fall for Naruto after what Sai told her due to their interaction, but kishi did not do this. No character development should be "simple" Sasuke is easily understood in this case, he had reason to go to revenge crazy mode after what Obito told him and again reason to go back after his doubt left him wanting to ask itachi what really happened and his purpose after Itachi told him, Sasuke has had a gradual shift with good meaning, it would need to be the same for what I said before when it came to Naruto and who he loves, but then again Sakura cannot revert back to just loving Sasuke like she did now can she? Its hard to imagine the series ending with Sakura STILL loving Sasuke after all he did, especially with the murder attempts and the complete limited development they had together (Sasuke literally took nothing from Sakura, though he did impact her).


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:44 PM

No Sasuke!!! Don't give up on Naruto-kun!! YOU CAN WIN HIS HEART!!!! pictureem0.gif pictureem0.gif pictureem0.gif th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (rocci @ Mar 28 2013, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Errmm I am sorry if I ask you a rude question because it really make me curios...how old are you?


Keep it on topic please, if its because I'm active on this site, I am on spring break, guess whatever you want, I'm not answering something unimportant, this is a narusaku thread, please keep it on that.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Mar 28 2013, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Keep it on topic please, if its because I'm active on this site, I am on spring break, guess whatever you want, I'm not answering something unimportant, this is a narusaku thread, please keep it on that.


Hehe sorry I just admire your writing skill(i hope i can do half of it), okay I will get back to the topic^^

Edited by rocci, 28 March 2013 - 04:59 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:35 PM

Since today's Sakura's birthday, and we haven't seen her since chapter 615 I thought I'd post her data form the 3rd databook.
The data is kinda old considering it was published in September 2008.... Anyway, it's a fun and interesting read. tongue.gif
Haruno Sakura. Third NARUTO databook (Sep 2008) --Click here to view--









Edited by Tauriel, 28 March 2013 - 08:36 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:57 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Mar 28 2013, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since today's Sakura's birthday, and we haven't seen her since chapter 615 I thought I'd post her data form the 3rd databook.
The data is kinda old considering it was published in September 2008.... Anyway, it's a fun and interesting read. tongue.gif
Haruno Sakura. Third NARUTO databook (Sep 2008) --Click here to view--










You know what's funny? In the data book it clearly mentions" departing with the one she LOVED" as in past tense obviously its talking about Sasuke. L-O-V-E-D so the data book confirms she "used" to love Sasuke and yet NH and SS fans are still arguing she loves Sasuke and even NS fans. It's clear Kishi has been trolling during that Jump Festa interview when he said" Naruto is close but as expected she (loves) Sasuke". If Kishi wrote the databooks and he himself is saying in the book she used to love Sasuke I wonder if he's really talking about the love of bonding friendship. Also if I remember correctly in the same data book it mentions in Sakura's biography that she" used" to have a crush on Sasuke. fu.png

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Mar 28 2013, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since today's Sakura's birthday, and we haven't seen her since chapter 615 I thought I'd post her data form the 3rd databook.
The data is kinda old considering it was published in September 2008.... Anyway, it's a fun and interesting read. tongue.gif
Haruno Sakura. Third NARUTO databook (Sep 2008) --Click here to view--









Haha for a second I thought this was Kushina in the Databook

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Mar 28 2013, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since today's Sakura's birthday, and we haven't seen her since chapter 615 I thought I'd post her data form the 3rd databook.
The data is kinda old considering it was published in September 2008.... Anyway, it's a fun and interesting read. tongue.gif
Haruno Sakura. Third NARUTO databook (Sep 2008) --Click here to view--










This is why we love Sakura in a nutshell.

Happy birthday.

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Runner-ups:AstridxHiccup (How to train your dragon),SusanxReed, WallyxKuki (Kids next door);  AshxMisty; ThorxSif

 


#13998 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Mar 28 2013, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha for a second I thought this was Kushina in the Databook

Lol nice one.

Happy Birthday to my favorite female ninja!

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:42 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Mar 28 2013, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Still, there isn't any "10 commandments to Shounen" that the mangaka has to follow. Kishi can go with main x main or he can have Naruto end up with another besides the Heroine. Its his choice, and it all depends on personal taste of the author, not all the other manga that came before his.


Agree!

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 28 2013, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty much. In every generation of mangakas, there's always a difference between the current and previous.

For example, Toriyama's generation had mangas that were more simplistic in storytelling. The generation after that, (Watsuki and onwards) had shifted the paradigm of shonen storytelling into a more serious one. So, if Kishi wants to leave behind a mark, in this case, changing the hero x tsundere paradigm, then it's his decision.



I never acknowledged that thing about HeroxHeroina or HeroxTsundere always end up together as one of the reasons of why NaruSaku should be canon, it would never be an obstacle if Kishi wanted to make NH canon and he wouldn't revolutionize the history of the mangas and neither be recognized by being the one to break a paradigm if he made his protagonist end up with a side character ... it's not like this has never happened in others mangas. This isn't a big deal.

The problem here is the fact that NH was never truly developed, this is a fiction, things have to be built up to make sense, it can't just be thrown in the way. Kishi has always keeps Hinata's love for Naruto very superficial. He could have shown her thinking about Naruto's desires, about his love for Sakura or at least about Sasuke but he never did it, they rarely interacted throughout the series even though Kishi has had several chances to do this, Kishi never showed Naruto doubting his feelings for Sakura or feeling something more than friendship for Hinata.

Instead of make those things I mentioned above, he decided to develop Naruto and Sakura relationship. He decided to show Sakura worrying about Naruto's problems and desires. showed her doubting about her feelings and even showing her uncomfortable with the idea of another person loving Naruto, but then in the end he'll just put Naruto e Hinata together?! after all this NS development along the manga, make NH canon would be bad writing because it would be like Kishi was throwing out everything he wrote in the past for his two protagonists just to make another couple canon.

Edited by Tsubaki, 29 March 2013 - 12:24 AM.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 01:36 AM

Well, guess the closing of that NaruHina topic was my fault. I think i drew some anger out of him. At least I helped prove a point sleep.gif




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