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[Awes9]

I think the funny part is that Kishi certainly thinks it's good writing but after all the Obito crap nothing can surprise me again, compared to that Sakura still being in love with Sasuke seems like decent writing and makes perfect sense.

[Fenris]

Kishi's gonna have to do something REALLY amazing for me to get over this.

 

I just can't imagine Narusaku happening anymore and making sense.....

 

If Sakura still loves Sasuke now...when will she get over him???

Asdfghjkl.

 

Sakura's holding onto the little bit of hope she has of Sasuke returning and becoming the Sasuke she once knew from Team 7. The one who even said thank you to her.
I've lost people that went down roads I cannot recover them from, so I sympathize with how she feels. She wants just something to hang onto that gives her closure there may be a small chance that he returns to the good guy he was -- but that is impossible, and she knows this. Still, she tries. She originally tried for Naruto's sake.

 

 Whether or not the translation was accurate and 'love' is present tense, Sakura is holding onto a piece of Sasuke that no longer exists or maybe never existed to begin with. Whether this was brought on by the bench scene from Naruto (which, if it was, we're sure to get an explanation and realization from Sakura if she doesn't figure it out in her unconscious state) or something else, Sasuke already confirmed he has no interest in her and it's obvious his only interest now lies with his revolution.

 

If the translation is really past tense, then that's wonderful. She's bringing up old feelings, yes, but she's trying, holding onto whatever she can because Sasuke is important to her.  They were all a team. She also says similar to this in both translations. "We all can be together." Not "We can be together."   (/notimportantbutwhateverbringingitup)

 

Kakashi confirmed that what Sakura feels for Sasuke now is a different kind of love then what she felt before a bit ago. 

 

I think Sakura is just trying to salvage what she can of Sasuke, and sure as hell after that genjutsu she's going to wake up feeling like kitten because the dude she used to love stabbed her through the chest. That, I believe, will change her feelings once and for all and make her realize Sasuke is not the person she loves, and that in fact, the Sasuke she fell in love with at the bench, was really Naruto.

 

Hence, NaruSaku.

Edited by Fenris, 26 September 2014 - 02:15 AM.

[Shadow1275]

 

I see no pro SS in this chapter at all. This is anti NS, anti SS, anti Sakura, anti Sasuke, anti Naruto and anti Kishimoto.

 

But Obito was manipulated, he wasn't the main reason, plus he was a child, easy to manipulate. Though the manipulating thing also got overused. 

Not my point. This was an anti-pairing chapter in all respects except for possibly SS depending on Sakura's meaning.

 

However, this is a MAJOR step back for Sakura's character. Not only is she still not over Sasuke, but she resorted to groveling in order to try and sway him. This is after he rejected her, told her she was useless, and tried to kill her. For the love of god have some spine. Kushina and Tsunade would Beat anyone who made fun of them. Sakura just collapses whenever Sasuke is concerned. That's why I'm mad. It makes no sense why she isn't cussing Sasuke out right now.

 

As for Obito he still wanted to live in a false world bc of Rin's death??? It's like Sakura confessing to Sasuke when she's 12. It doesn't make sense.

[Tatsumi]

the one thing i hate through all this is the "love(d)" excuse. ofcourse loved is past tense but why have to re-itterate... it's plain stupid.

[Lilac]

Reading more into the use of past and present in MP, and that weird comment about 'a love not like the one he had for his mother', I think MP is indeed incorrect. Sasuke uses present tense to talk about Sakura's feelings for him. He should have said, "I don't see what she liked about me" instead of, "I don't see what she likes about me" Which doesn't go with Sakura's past tense use.

 

It's probably best to wait for the raws, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Easier to take if it turns out MS is indeed correct.

[Gojira]

the one thing i hate through all this is the "love(d)" excuse. ofcourse loved is past tense but why have to re-itterate... it's plain stupid.

what?

[Awes9]

Until further notice and with the confirmation of one of our translator here the accurate translation is MS, I don't see why would he lie about it ?

[Gojira]

I'm still wondering what the point of bringing up Sasuke's mom is

 

was it connected to Sakura or Naruto.

[Lilac]

I'm still wondering what the point of bringing up Sasuke's mom is

 

was it connected to Sakura or Naruto.

 

lol I'm pretty sure the Kaguya translation is correct. It just makes more sense that the sage was talking about his mother than Sasuke having a love that isn't a love for a mother.

[BlazingDynamo]

Asdfghjkl.

 

Sakura's holding onto the little bit of hope she has of Sasuke returning and becoming the Sasuke she once knew from Team 7. The one who even said thank you to her.
I've lost people that went down roads I cannot recover them from, so I sympathize with how she feels. She wants just something to hang onto that gives her closure there may be a small chance that he returns to the good guy he was -- but that is impossible, and she knows this. Still, she tries. She originally tried for Naruto's sake.

 

 Whether or not the translation was accurate and 'love' is present tense, Sakura is holding onto a piece of Sasuke that no longer exists or maybe never existed to begin with. Whether this was brought on by the bench scene from Naruto (which, if it was, we're sure to get an explanation and realization from Sakura if she doesn't figure it out in her unconscious state) or something else, Sasuke already confirmed he has no interest in her and it's obvious his only interest now lies with his revolution.

 

If the translation is really past tense, then that's wonderful. She's bringing up old feelings, yes, but she's trying, holding onto whatever she can because Sasuke is important to her.  They were all a team. She also says similar to this in both translations. "We all can be together." Not "We can be together."   (/notimportantbutwhateverbringingitup)

 

Kakashi confirmed that what Sakura feels for Sasuke now is a different kind of love then what she felt before a bit ago. 

 

I think Sakura is just trying to salvage what she can of Sasuke, and sure as hell after that genjutsu she's going to wake up feeling like kitten because the dude she used to love stabbed her through the chest. That, I believe, will change her feelings once and for all and make her realize Sasuke is not the person she loves, and that in fact, the Sasuke she fell in love with at the bench, was really Naruto.

 

Hence, NaruSaku.

That's what I'm trying to say maybe this genjustu Sasuke inflicted on her is a good thing cause I'm pretty sure all of this is probably leading to that bench scene in chapt 3 so there's probably still hope.

 

Not my point. This was an anti-pairing chapter in all respects except for possibly SS depending on Sakura's meaning.

 

However, this is a MAJOR step back for Sakura's character. Not only is she still not over Sasuke, but she resorted to groveling in order to try and sway him. This is after he rejected her, told her she was useless, and tried to kill her. For the love of god have some spine. Kushina and Tsunade would Beat anyone who made fun of them. Sakura just collapses whenever Sasuke is concerned. That's why I'm mad. It makes no sense why she isn't cussing Sasuke out right now.

 

As for Obito he still wanted to live in a false world bc of Rin's death??? It's like Sakura confessing to Sasuke when she's 12. It doesn't make sense.

Your right about that Rin loved Kakashi but Kakashi never loved her back Obito loved her so much he was too shy to tell her how he really feels about her but now since he's with he gets to spend some quality time with her.

[Gojira]

 

lol I'm pretty sure the Kaguya translation is correct. It just makes more sense that the sage was talking about his mother than Sasuke having a love that isn't a love for a mother.

It also makes more sense for Sakura's confession to be honest back in LOI instead of Kishi's kitten roundabout way of doing this

 

-Sakura loves Naruto instead of Sasuke

-Naruto says she's lying

-Sakura says she isn't lying

-Sai reveals the truth behind her lie

-Kishi says she was honest

-Sakura refers to Sasuke as someone she loves

-Sakura refers to Sasuke as someone she used to love (anime)

-Kakashi refers to Sasuke as someone Sakura used to love

-Sakura and Kakashi say that she's in love with Sasuke to a painful degree

 

Kishi's going to give us a conclusion I guarantee not only will it not answer any questions but it will raise so many others because he insisted on confusing his readers rather than you know....entertaining them...

[ThroughWithLove]

Good morning.

I don't think you bring bad luck. It's just that the fake predictions will look really silly from now on because we're making fun of others while we ourselves don't have much ground to stand on.

NS is obviously still the endgame, but what's the point of shipping them when you can't admire, sympathize, and enjoy the couple? I don't ship them because I want to win the pairing war. I shipped them because I thought their relationship was solely growing in a consistent manner and I found that to be wonderful. Well, anyways, I stopped shipping them a while ago because I don't trust Kishi's writing.

This chapter what disappointed me was not the pairings, but how he wrote the individual characters.

Naruto, messiah doesn't mean "emotionless" or "indifferent". Naruto is a messiah only through the effect of his actions but not by the way he is. In other words, anyone stronger and against Sasuke can become a messiah by default in Kishi's world. How Naruto disappoints me....he is just there standing there saying nothing to all the kitten Sasuke is putting him and his comrades through. Just because Naruto is forgivable, it doesn't mean that he should be unfeeling or indifferent to the terrible things Sasuke is doing. A messiah should feel angry to all the horrible things being done to the people and then after the fight or the apologies, there will be forgiveness. But nooooooo, as long as it's Sasuke, Naruto doesn't get angry. He just says,"Hey, that's a bit too much!" as if Sasuke just stole soup from Naruto's ramen bowl. The reason I hate this NaruSasu bromance so much is because it degrades Naruto's character so much. He's capable of being angry towards Pein or Deidara, but when it's Sasuke.....sigh......he just becomes a love sick puppy.

And yes, the way Naruto acted towards Sasuke after Sasuke stabbed Sakura was not surprising. Sakura is basically like a silver medal to Naruto. She comes AFTER Sasuke. Never before. If the girl you're in love with, no matter whether she's in love with someone else, was stabbed painfully albeit it not being real you become angry. End of story. But no, Naruto probably lacks the ability to love or become protective when the offender is Sasuke. In the end, Naruto should stick with Sasuke and they should live happily ever after without involving other people in their drama.

And Sakura...I'm not disappointed about her being in love with Sasuke because I don't like her for NaruSaku. But I'm really disappointed that Kishi regressed her character. She's the member of team seven and she doesn't go against Sasuke through ideologies or battle power. She just screams about love in the middle of the battle. Where the hell did her development go? Didn't she learn in part one that she was basically powerless to protect her teammates? It was because of that, that she seeked tutelage from Tsunade. And now near the end of the manga.....she did the exact same thing AGAIN when she swore time and again that this time she'll stand side to side with Naruto and Sasuke. She is like the boy who cries wolf. After being promising development for the umpteenth time with no result, you just give up.

And the comment Kishi made Sasuke say makes it more worse because it's true and it makes me wonder why Kishi is unnecessarily putting Sakura down miserably at the end of the manga where there is no more chance for her to stand up and prove him wrong. Sakura was trolled even more harshly than Hinata when she tripped on a Rock.

There is so much more I want to say. But this manga and the characters are so bad that words aren't enough to explain it. I quit. And if anyone wants to PM me, feel free to do so. I'll reply.

And btw, 六道仙人 is right. It's present tense according to the link Hiraishin posted.

 

You make a great point about Naruto not standing up for the woman he loves. When Gaara squeezed Sakura, Naruto gave him a death glare and was ready pound the stuffing out of him. But when Sasuke talks down to her like she's trash and then "kills her" with genjutsu, he doesn't say a damn thing. If that were me and I was Naruto, I would've sucker punched Sasuke the face right there. And based on what we've seen from Minato, he would've done the same were it Kushina. Instead, Naruto is all "homies over hoes." Not that I should be surprised considering Naruto had the same impotent reaction when he rescued Sakura from nearly being killed by Sasuke. He was all  "Sasuke, please don't kill Sakura, bro! My homie, she was on team 7! That's not cool!"

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 26 September 2014 - 02:30 AM.

[merryGOflava]

It also makes more sense for Sakura's confession to be honest back in LOI instead of Kishi's sh*tty roundabout way of doing this

 

-Sakura loves Naruto instead of Sasuke

-Naruto says she's lying

-Sakura says she isn't lying

-Sai reveals the truth behind her lie

-Kishi says she was honest

-Sakura refers to Sasuke as someone she loves

-Sakura refers to Sasuke as someone she used to love (anime)

-Kakashi refers to Sasuke as someone Sakura used to love

-Sakura and Kakashi say that she's in love with Sasuke to a painful degree

 

Kishi's going to give us a conclusion I guarantee not only will it not answer any questions but it will raise so many others because he insisted on confusing his readers rather than you know....entertaining them...

[Shadow1275]

 

You make a great point about Naruto not standing up for the woman he loves. When Gaara squeezed Sakura, Naruto came him a death glare and was ready pound the stuffing out of him. But when Sasuke talks down to her like she's trash and then "kills her" with genjutsu, he doesn't say a damn thing. If that were me and I was Naruto, I would've sucker punched Sasuke the face right there. And based on what we've seen from Minato, he would've done the same were it Kushina. Instead, Naruto is all "homies over hoes."

Part 1 and the pre Land of Iron arc Part 2 blow the last stretch out of the water. It's really dissapointing

[Lilac]

Don't bite my head off, but...wasn't Kishi's comment that he wrote Sakura as an honest girl, not that she was being truthful? That reads more to me that she wasn't trying to decieve Naruto (because that's what the va was saying? I think?) but that she was doing it to protect him? Kishi has made a lot of terrible choices narrative wise, and I think NS is suffering a lot from it, but I do think the fans tend to take his words in different ways. For example I don't think he's going to have a son at the end of the manga. But that's just me!

Edited by Lilac, 26 September 2014 - 02:31 AM.

[Tokura Misaki]

72 pages already?

[Gojira]

Don't bite my head off, but...wasn't Kishi's comment that he wrote Sakura as an honest girl, not that she was being truthful? That reads more to me that she wasn't trying to decieve Naruto (because that's what the va was saying? I think?) but that she was doing it to protect him? Kishi has made a lot of terrible choices narrative wise, and I think NS is suffering a lot from it, but I do think the fans tend to take his words in different ways. For example I don't think he's going to have a son at the end of the manga. But that's just me!

honest and truthful are the same thing.

[rocci]

 
You make a great point about Naruto not standing up for the woman he loves. When Gaara squeezed Sakura, Naruto gave him a death glare and was ready pound the stuffing out of him. But when Sasuke talks down to her like she's trash and then "kills her" with genjutsu, he doesn't say a damn thing. If that were me and I was Naruto, I would've sucker punched Sasuke the face right there. And based on what we've seen from Minato, he would've done the same were it Kushina. Instead, Naruto is all "homies over hoes." Not that I should be surprised conidering Naruto had the same impotent reaction when he rescued Sakura from nearly being killed by Sasuke. He was all  "Sasuke, please down kill Sakura, bro! My homie, she was on team 7! That's not cool!"

Naruto doesn't see the stab. And sakura is not in the dangerous situation.
She always save lol.

@liu bei
I stand on my word until proven otherwise.
I just want to say, save the best for the last.

[Gojira]

72 pages already?

This is worse than 615 what do you expect?

 

This is a forum that actually respects Sakura and Kishi basically took her character from being as good as an Avatar character to being as bad as Jar Jar Binks

[unhskikrforever]

I'M PISSED. I AM SO FREAKING PISSED.

I went to mangafox and I can't believe they used present tense. I went over to mangapanda instead.

And I can't with all the absurdity in this thread. Don't you guys know how to read? It's all in past tense. You don't just ignore this and say the context is different. There is a difference between past tense and present tense.

Honestly, I see Sakura's tears as tears of disappointment and desperation. She's fed up with Sasuke. Just when she thought everything would be okay and peaceful again, Sasuke just had to burst that bubble of hers. I would cry if I were her. She's desperate. Sasuke was someone she had feelings for and for him to turn out this way, she's just disappointed. She's disappointed in him AND herself. She must have blamed herself because she couldn't helped him in the past, when she had liked him so much. I'm sure that's why Kakashi said that she still cries whenever she thinks of him.

She wants to save him, Naruto wants to save him, Kakashi wants to save him, Team 7 wants everything to be back like how it was. Even though she knows that he didn't like her in the past, and also now, she was a friend and a comrade. She could have done something as a friend of his.

And the fact that she said she loveD him is to remind him that he had someone who liked him at that time, that time when when he could still turn back and drop everything he was going to do. She knows he's changed now because in the past, he even said thanks. She knows he can't be helped anymore. As a comrade, it's mere desperation on her side now.

And why are you guys neglecting Kakashi's statement? There's nothing more to it, she just wanted to save him. Everyone does. When Sasuke asked if she was still fantasizing about her love for him, Kakashi replied and said she only wanted him by her side and that she only wanted to save him. He's talking in terms of Sakura because Sasuke talked about her. I'm thinking that Kakashi said that out of defence for Sakura as well.

I don't understand why some of you are reading so much into it. Why can't you just take the words as it is?

Edited by unhskikrforever, 26 September 2014 - 04:01 PM.