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[Hopestar]

Yeah just posted on the SSvs.NS section SS is dead check it out!

[MTEk]

I just read someone's post about Americans going towards sasusaku 1st, I just want to say, that the 1st time I saw Naruto, I knew that narusaku is what should it be. Sasusaku had a bigger chance up until the bench scene with Naruto henged as Sasuke imo.

lol, well, People who watch a lot of anime (like me) especially romantic comedies, usually know that the easy, open, one-sided crushes that are first introduced in a series are almost NEVER who those characters end up with. Especially if the one who's crushing is a girl. A girl that the main character has fallen for...

I mean, SasuSaku and NaruHina before the 3-year jump would have been EASY. TOO EASY. Serious relationships are NEVER that easy in anime, unless they fall apart later.

Also, bit of logic here.

Sasuke NEVER cared about Sakura in that way. How do I infer this?

Because in part 1, Sakura was nearly IGNORED outside of a mission. He's just shy, you say? Well, how about this: To develop the mangekyou sharingan you have to kill your closest friend. Now, according to VotE, that's Naruto. NARUTO, not Sakura. Isn't that kinda strange if you have feelings for the girl?

Also, BOTH times Sakura (verbally) bashed Naruto in Sasuke's presence (while Naruto wasn't around) Sasuke stood up for NARUTO.

Now, if this is supposed to be the girl you have feelings for, how is it that your MALE friend is closer to you than she is? Doesn't add up.

For those who think Sakura hasn't given up on Sasuke, fine. I could contest that, but hell, I'll CONCEDE that as fact. So what? If Sasuke didn't come around back when they were TEAMMATES, what is there to suggest that Sasuke will like her now, since he's an ENEMY? He wants to cut all bonds to Konoha, yet he'll end up liking her? I don't think so.

A crush can be one-sided. In a relationship the feeling has to reciprocate. Just because Sakura was all Sasuke crazy fangirl doesn't mean that Sasuke ever returned the sentiment (and there's more of an indication that he DIDN'T). Hell, I need to put this in the NS vs SS board.

Very well thought out and well written. +1

[Silent Shinobi]

LOL, seems I'm making quite a few waves over on that board, lol.

The Silent Shinobi INDEED, LMAO.

Well, I'm quiet when I'm not debating anyway.

[Naruto Uzumaki]

ok im confused here.not that i doubt it but what chapter/episode did naruto and sakura date?

sry to quote myself but can someone plz answer me?

[Sono]

I think it's episode 109 or 108. Can't really remember.

[No WhereMan]

It wasn't a major event. It was just Sakura allowed Naruto to take her to get some Ramen. And ever since he's been calling anytime they go to the ramen stand together "dates." Which they are in a way.

[Hopestar]

Besides that episode 108/9/10 was really SS so there's sint much that NS argue except Sasuke choose his dark ambition over her.

[Hopestar]

Well it really depends on the situation because knowing Naruto he'll tell Sakura to not worry about him and just save Sakura. Sakura may find it hard to leave Naruto hanging despite she can trust & rely on him.

[MonkeysTotallyRock]

dude, hopestar be careful not to double post. okay, someone up there said a crush can be one sided, but in a relationship the feeling has to reciprocate.
1) when does a crush develop into a relationship?
sasuke really did begin to open up more in the later parts before he left. it was NARUTO who pushed him over the edge because of their rivalry, not sakura.
2) this might only be in the english dubbed anime, but during the chuunin exams when konohamaru interviews them, sakura comments on everone. she says, "sasuke-kun, you care about me, right?"
sasuke shrugs and says, "i suppose you're right."
3) in fact he does. sasuke doesn't hate her, or naruto. he just left cuz he only cares about killing itachi foremost. everything for him comes after that -- just like for naruto the only thing that matters is becoming hokage. sasuke and naruto are more alike that we realize, and that's what made them such great rivals. it's just that naruto fools around a lot, and sasuke is more serious. he major difference is their goals and their view of what makes a good shinobi. that was a discussion between orochimaru and jiraiya as well -- and jiraiya says it is the soul who never gives up that is the most important thing (or was it spirit that never gives up ''^^) in any case, that's the major difference.
yup, that's it for me!
oh!
4) monkeys rock. :thumbs: B)

[krimson]

3) in fact he does. sasuke doesn't hate her, or naruto. he just left cuz he only cares about killing itachi foremost. everything for him comes after that -- just like for naruto the only thing that matters is becoming hokage. sasuke and naruto are more alike that we realize, and that's what made them such great rivals.

I don't think we can really compare Naruto's desire to become Hokage with Sasuke's need for "revenge". First of all, we know Sasuke would do ANYTHING to gain power, while Naruto doesn't. Sasuke would gladly give up his body for his ambitions. He said it himself. Naruto, on the other hand, is determined to use his own power. We see him reject Kyuubi's help against Sasuke after he hurt Sakura earlier.

Besides, remember that the only reason that Naruto wants to be Hokage is because he wants to be recognized and protect his precious people. Obviously, the village and his friends matter more to him than a title.

[No WhereMan]

Besides, remember that the only reason that Naruto wants to be Hokage is because he wants to be recognized and protect his precious people. Obviously, the village and his friends matter more to him than a title.

Yeah, what I find funny, in a sense Nartuo heart isn't totally on the title alone. What Naruto really desires is the admiration and acceptance that the title brings. The fact he'll be the head of the villiage is just a side-effect. ^^

[TheVileOne]

I don't think Sasuke really means those things he says. It's just his thirst and want for revenge that's confusing him. When push came to shove, he couldn't bring himself to kill Naruto because he doesn't want to. It's not who he really is.

[No WhereMan]

I don't think Sasuke really means those things he says. It's just his thirst and want for revenge that's confusing him.

I really hope you're being sarcastic when you're saying that. Because if anything Sasuke isn't the least bit confused. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's doing what he's always done. Whatever he wants to attain his goals, much in common with Orochimaru. Anyway he didn't kill Naruto, because he didn't want to give into his brother's wishes. He's planning on making his own path to power/strength whatever.

[MTEk]

I don't think Sasuke really means those things he says. It's just his thirst and want for revenge that's confusing him.

I really hope you're being sarcastic when you're saying that. Because if anything Sasuke isn't the least bit confused. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's doing what he's always done. Whatever he wants to attain his goals, much in common with Orochimaru. Anyway he didn't kill Naruto, because he didn't want to give into his brother's wishes. He's planning on making his own path to power/strength whatever.

You hit it on the spot, I understand that some people has hope that he will come back sooner or later, but it's just foolish saying that kind of bull---- like, "Sasuke doesn't mean it!" If you read the chapter after the fight, you can see Sasuke walking away from the forest, and talking about his brother and gaining power in his own way, in contrary to when Itachi said Sasuke didn't have enough hate.

[TheVileOne]

That Sasuke didn't kill Naruto when he had the chance tells me doesnt' mean it.

[Silent Shinobi]

dude, hopestar be careful not to double post. okay, someone up there said a crush can be one sided, but in a relationship the feeling has to reciprocate.
1) when does a crush develop into a relationship?
sasuke really did begin to open up more in the later parts before he left. it was NARUTO who pushed him over the edge because of their rivalry, not sakura.
2) this might only be in the english dubbed anime, but during the chuunin exams when konohamaru interviews them, sakura comments on everone. she says, "sasuke-kun, you care about me, right?"
sasuke shrugs and says, "i suppose you're right."
3) in fact he does. sasuke doesn't hate her, or naruto. he just left cuz he only cares about killing itachi foremost. everything for him comes after that -- just like for naruto the only thing that matters is becoming hokage. sasuke and naruto are more alike that we realize, and that's what made them such great rivals. it's just that naruto fools around a lot, and sasuke is more serious. he major difference is their goals and their view of what makes a good shinobi. that was a discussion between orochimaru and jiraiya as well -- and jiraiya says it is the soul who never gives up that is the most important thing (or was it spirit that never gives up ''^^) in any case, that's the major difference.
yup, that's it for me!
oh!
4) monkeys rock. :thumbs: B)

1) In anime, crushes develop into relationships when we see MUTUAL romantic interest. Caring about someone is different than being interested in them in a romantic sense. Sasuke opened up to Sakura, yes, but he opened up to all his team, and Naruto is the one who got closest to him, and likely the one who understood him the most. So what sets Sakura apart? Because she's a girl? because we have a couple sappy scenes where what makes it sappy is Sakura pouring her heart out? I still don't see Sasuke reciprocating her 'love', in that way, so where's the prospective relationship? Another thing is, nearly all crushes in anime start off as being "love". It's usually only in retrospect that we find the character didn't love who he/she thought she did, and usually this happens after the fact that the crush isn't going to work out is firmly established.

2) Few things wrong with quoting this. 1) It's anime. Not the manga. Some things change in the anime version, which is why it shouldn't be considered canon (Esp. fillers). 2) It's the DUB. English and Japanese work very differently in terms of context and meaning of phrases and terms. Also, the translation may or may not be accurate. Besides that, care does not = love. Keitaro cared about all the girls at Hinatasou. He loved Naru. There's a BIG difference.

3) This is why it's so hard to get points across to ppl supporting SasuSaku. Don't confuse caring for someone as a teammate, friend, comrade or family member with being in love with someone. In a romantic connotation, Sasuke hasn't shown any interest in Sakura (or any other girl) at ALL. In comparison it's quite clear what Naruto would like to be as far as Sakura is concerned. It's definitely NOT just a friend. So while, yes, Sasuke and Naruto are PAINFULLY similar, as far as romance and Sakura are concerned, it's night and day. Naruto's chasing Sakura. Sakura's chasing Sasuke. Sasuke's avoiding her (in a romantic sense, of course). If Sakura gives up on Sasuke, then there's nothing to stop Naruto. And I don't see Sakura chasing Sasuke in an exercise of futility for the entire series.

4) Go monkeys.

[No WhereMan]

That Sasuke didn't kill Naruto when he had the chance tells me doesnt' mean it.

Ok, i'll give you that. But your original statement was "Sasuke's confused. He doesn't realize what he's doing..." or something. Sasuke knows what he's doing, I honestly don't think he's totally on Orochimaru's side. But I don't think he's on Konoha's side either. Like I've tried to stress. I think Sasuke has his own agenda also. One that doesn't involve Orochimaru and one that doesn't involve Konoha and Naruto & comp. I think he's just out to kill Itachi plan and simple. Now, he's decided to go the i'll blow you over if you get in my way approach, meaning every time Naruto will come after Sasuke, Sasuke will blow him off till he's finished with whatever he has to do with Orochimaru. Then after that, he'll probably kill Orochimaru just because he's got the power to do it now, or just leave and find someone else to syphon power/techniques from. Untill he's got the power he believes to defeat his brother.

Whether or not, he will be recieved at Konoha, afterwards, isn't a concern with him right now. He just wants to kill, Itachi, he's set his goal on that. The suck part about this is, this is a totally selfish plan and I honestly hate Sasuke for it.

Because of it, he's cut his ties to everyone that's ever really cared about him. And he's disregarded their feelings in pursuit of this goal.

[Silent Shinobi]

As another Orochimaru, he's noones minion. He has his own prerogative and will remain allied with whoever serves to forward his own agenda - just like Orochimaru. It's pretty obvious of the foreshadowing of how Team 7 is this generation's version of the Sannin. Sasuke's obviously the snake. Now, being the snake that he is, he'll cooperate with Oro so long as Oro's interests coincide with his own. That's how they both work. Oro will be able to keep Sasuke at his side as long as he can convince Sasuke that doing so will help him in his goal, just like Oro will only keep Sasuke as long as doing so furthers HIS own agenda.

[No WhereMan]

Oro will be able to keep Sasuke at his side as long as he can convince Sasuke that doing so will help him in his goal, just like Oro will only keep Sasuke as long as doing so furthers HIS own agenda.

I'm gonna make a slight amendment to this. "Oro will be able to keep Sasuke as long as he can convince Sasuke that doing so will help him in his goal, as well as convince Sasuke his power/skill is still greater. Cause honestly, I see Sasuke trying to take Oro out the moment he realizes he can. Just because of that reason. Its just to show how far he's become already.

The moment Oro reveals he's not stronger than Sasuke anymore and can't offer him any more guidence, is the moment Oro has to watch his back.

[TheVileOne]

It's the whole Darth Vader thing. He's been seduced by the dark side, the dark side being his thirst and ambition for revenge, it's clouding Sasuke's judgement and who he really is.

And if deep down, in his heart of hearts he truly believed in what he is doing, if he truly would do anything to get revenge, absolutely anything and stop anyone who gets in his way, he would've killed Naruto at the valley of the end. He would've killed him and obtained Mangenkyou Sharingan. Or he would've done it again just recently.

Both times Sasuke wouldn't kill Naruto. I think deep down, in a way, Sasuke wants Naruto to stop him.