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[Tsuki Hoshino]

I already have. And it says I'm right.

[James S Cassidy]

Now, you are probably wondering why I highlighted Kushina? Well....



So Analyzer....you're wrong.....and here is the proof. Ummm....I don't know what more I can give to you to stop the stupidity that you are, but if you continue to say that Sakura is not a Tsundere then I will have to ask my fellow posters to continue to send you this.

Unless you want to say that Minato is a liar and that Kishimoto made a mistake here.....

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Anal also needs to go check the TV tropes page where they have Hinata listed as Moe.

Maybe she can go argue with the mods there about how wrong it is.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

And that, James, is what I call showing You-Know-Who a thing or two about presenting evidence to the "debate" when they won't listen.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Yea and apparently MOST people think Hinata is moe.

Probably because she is. Maybe the problem Isn't them, but you. Maybe YOU are wrong.

Why don't you wander on over to TV tropes and fix it, Kay? See how long it stays that way.

No one has to stretch Sakura into it. It is what she is.

Just concede it.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The problem here seems to be your inability to admit you're wrong.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

So, if you have "better" evidence provide it. Not just YOUR interpretive opinion posed as a damn fact as you so often do. 

Just because its editable doesn't make it wrong. If it did, then you going and editing Hinata's moe status means that everyone should also asssume the opposite and that she is indeed a moe. ( which she is.) 

You're wrong BTW. Sakura is a Tsundere, Hinata is Moe. 

[winter-serenade]

All right. Sooo, according to Ken Akamatsu (creator of Negima) moe is "

1. It does NOT include sexual action:
   “Moe” is being calmed/soothed by watching from afar. It is not an object of sexual action. There are other classifications such as “2D-con” for those who include sexual conduct. Looking at a bishoujo and thinking “I want to do her” is a normal sexual desire for a man; looking at a biyoujo [美幼女, a girl younger than a bishoujo, synonymous with "loli". Maachi in Gokujou Seitokai, or Miku in Zettai Shounen, for example] and thinking “I want to be calmed/soothed” is “moe”.
2. The person feeling it must be stronger:
   The object of “moe” is weak and dependant (like a child) on the person, or is in a situation where she cannot oppose (like a maid). Also, the person is raising her (like a pet).
   Accordingly, being fond of the girl as if loving a pet cat, the person is willing to put themselves in harm’s way if danger approaches. (*Tsundere only: There will be times where the stronger and weaker role is reversed)
3. Affirms the present situation:
   Moe is the action of enjoying “the present situation” and does not wish for changes afterward; one wishes to enjoy it forever.

 

https://web.archive....ensei-talks-moe

 

The criteria Hinata fits is underlined and bolded. Hinata stated she would stop chasing Naruto during the war, which fits the third criteria. Hinata has depended solely on Naruto on some occasions (in the last when he kept saving her, especially when she fell and he caught her after Scarf-kun tore) which fits the second criteria. Hinata made little to no moves on Naruto, always watching from afar. Temporarily, she stopped, but then continued again. This fits the first criteria.

 

Of course, you can deny the words of an actual manga-ka who has not committed any contradictions for the sake of your own definition :)

 

 

According to Wikipedia, tsundere is "Another accepted definition of tsundere is a girl or a guy who has a combative attitude toward others but is also kind on the inside. They usually play out as having an attitude toward the main character, either a male or a female, and often criticizing them in one way or another, until they eventually warm up to them or fall in love with them as the series progresses, though they usually find it very hard to admit it or outright deny it in some cases

 

Also, another source is from "Japanesewithanime.com" 

 

A tsundere is a girl that pretends not to be interested in a guy, but keeps doing things for that guy, and keeps saying she is not actually interested in that guy. So, basically, she just isn't honest with herself and her feelings or is too embarrassed to admit her love.

 

Plus plenty of calling the guy baka 馬鹿.

 

 

http://www.japanesew...sundere-meaning

 

everything basically fits Sakura in all honesty.

 

 

 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

But like Watch Analy come back with "No ur wrong because i say so." 

[James S Cassidy]

Anal also needs to go check the TV tropes page where they have Hinata listed as Moe.

Maybe she can go argue with the mods there about how wrong it is.

Actually....I....can't find Hinata under the Moe trope. Isn't that interesting.....

And yet, Orihime is there....hmmm...
 

 

 

So, if you have "better" evidence provide it. Not just YOUR interpretive opinion posed as a damn fact as you so often do. 

Just because its editable doesn't make it wrong. If it did, then you going and editing Hinata's moe status means that everyone should also asssume the opposite and that she is indeed a moe. ( which she is.) 

You're wrong BTW. Sakura is a Tsundere, Hinata is Moe. 

Even looking more into it....if it was wrong why didn't someone edit it out earlier? The fact that Sakura's name and character remains under the "Tsundere" tag and not changed by another person is proof enough that most of the fandom believes Sakura is a Type B tsundere.

So Analyzer....you're wrong by majority vote, by definition, and by common sense.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 December 2017 - 05:39 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I have her under the moe tag screen shotted from a few days ago. Will post it in a bit. 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 08 December 2017 - 05:37 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Called it.

Once again everyone else is wrong, and only Analyzer can be right. 

Submitting that ignore now. So done with this kitten.

Watch Hinata go back to being Moe.

[Gravenimage]

Did I missed something?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Nope, Analy is just doing their typical round of BS. 

[James S Cassidy]

You know what I find interesting? Rukia from bleach is concisdered both Tsundere and Moe by fans

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Thats because people WANT Rukia to be Moe. most likely as competition to Orihime. TBH sometimes that pairing war was more vicious then the NS/SS/NH one. 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The really sad thing is that even though this person is blocked I still have to see their stupid avatar on the front page. 

[winter-serenade]

Evidence, evidence, evidence. Evidence is being presented, yet brushed aside. No matter how obvious you make it. Anyway, to the topic. I like Hinata. However, the way she stole the spotlight of Sakura angers me. If Kishimoto wanted to make Hinata relevant, switch her and Sakura's roles. Then I would tolerate NaruHina. 

 

I like Sakura because I've seen her grow. She's arguable the most developed character in Naruto. I like seeing characters and ships grow. That's why I favor her over HInata.

[Gravenimage]

Evidence, evidence, evidence. Evidence is being presented, yet brushed aside. No matter how obvious you make it. Anyway, to the topic. I like Hinata. However, the way she stole the spotlight of Sakura angers me. If Kishimoto wanted to make Hinata relevant, switch her and Sakura's roles. Then I would tolerate NaruHina. 

 

I like Sakura because I've seen her grow. She's arguable the most developed character in Naruto. I like seeing characters and ships grow. That's why I favor her over HInata.

 

I find it funny that they're giving Analyzer so much evidence and she shrugs it aside like it doesn't exist. Then she goes back to run her mouth. 

[James S Cassidy]

The really sad thing is that even though this person is blocked I still have to see their stupid avatar on the front page. 

Look at this way, everytime you see Analyzer's posts....you know someone has made a good point about something. She wouldn't be replying unless someone made an interesting post.
 

 

 

 

I find it funny that they're giving Analyzer so much evidence and she shrugs it aside like it doesn't exist. Then she goes back to run her mouth. 

Well, that's what happens when you are a pro-ender. The only facts you accept are your own. She is no different than most of the people I deal with on a daily basis.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 December 2017 - 06:06 PM.