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[AHK]

This scene still remains one of the more embarrassing parts of the series, especially on Sakura's part, given that she understood Naruto so much. To try and emotionally manipulate him as she did, while well intentioned, was absolutely awful of her and it's shameful that she didn't apologize was disgraceful as well.

The stark difference to the above is ultimately Sakura isn't the love-interest. (Thus why I always caution about making comparisons to other mediums, as characters, contexts, and circumstances very rarely align).

Except that she was, no matter how much you try to shoehorn it otherwise.

[winter-serenade]

 
And no, she wasn't, certainly not in part two. Not shoe-horning it in even, just stating the truth.

Hmm... I don’t agree with that. If we’re talking about Naruto’s love interest, then she most definitely was. Up until The Last, his love interest has always been Sakura.

[AHK]

I think saying Sakura -did- understand Naruto is critically missing the elements that suggest that she didn't fully understand Naruto yet, in fact, quite a few people don't fully understand Naruto. 
 
And no, she wasn't, certainly not in part two. Not shoe-horning it in even, just stating the truth.

Actually, she understood him more than anyone else at that point (not counting Sasuke, although that miserable piece of kittens "understanding" of him is contrived as hell).

And yes, she was. The very point of the confession itself, and what led up to it, confirms it. It isn't up for debate, to be honest. Naruto loved Sakura, that is a fact. Naruto only had interest in Sakura to that point and later. That's also confirmed. Hinata got shoe-horned in later, during the war, because Kishimoto is incompetent.

[LuckyChi7]

Hearing that Sakura wasn't the love interest:

 

 

Me: 

 

 

[Kagomaru]

Hearing that Sakura wasn't the love interest:

 

 

Me: 

 

 

 

This is mine:

 

 

Followed by this:

 

Edited by Kagomaru, 11 October 2017 - 10:39 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

This is mine:

 

 

Followed by this:

 

I know as I feel the same how does it go Doug that Sakura was not Naruto love Intrest?

 

[sushi.]

Hearing that Sakura wasn't the love interest:
 
 
Me: 
 
 

This is my face too. I don't understand the flamewars here, but kudos to folks for being passionate. ;p

[rikakim94]

 

The funny thing is he became so obsessed with the Sauce in Part 2. In part 1 they were 2 teammates who couldn't get along well. How did that translate to being brothers and in love with each other? WTF.

 

What happened to the driving goal of being respected by the village and becoming Hokage?  And why did he tie saving Sasuke with that dream? Remember back in the Chunin Exams arc, when Gaara is undergoing that Shukaku transformation and he pins Sakura to the tree. Naruto's only concern is to do what he can to stop him and save her. While Sasuke just sits in the background.

 

If I could count how many times he said, "Sasuke this, Sasuke that" I'd have an entire manga. Oh wait...

 

Thats another problem the manga has we hardly saw any actual friendship between naruto and sasuke not just that but the friendship between team 7. Sasuke feels like a kid that dosen't want to join a group project but, was forced to do so To complete the assignment thats how the relationship between him and team 7 feels like. 

Edited by rikakim94, 11 October 2017 - 11:34 PM.

[Nostradamus]

What are you even talking about? Of course Sakura wasn't Naruto's love interest. Duh it's so obvious. What story were you following anyway? Oh yeah I forgot the Naruto fandom doesn't read the proper translation version.

This is Naruto's love interest. Always has been. Always will be. The End.

 

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

Thats another problem the manga has we hardly saw any actual friendship between naruto and sasuke not just that but the friendship between team 7. Sasuke feels like a kid that dosen't want to join a group project but, was forced to do so To complete the assignment thats how the relationship between him and team 7 feels like. 

Oh true I hate when people try to say they were brothers I mean like you said Sasuke didn't care about his team as he thought he was better than them and we are to take it all in that Sasuke had a great bound with them all, that Naruto saw Sasuke as a brother sorry but no just no Sasuke was a kitten who only looked out for one person, himself.

[Kagomaru]

Oh true I hate when people try to say they were brothers I mean like you said Sasuke didn't care about his team as he thought he was better than them and we are to take it all in that Sasuke had a great bound with them all, that Naruto saw Sasuke as a brother sorry but no just no Sasuke was a kitten who only looked out for one person, himself.

 Naruto and Sasuke's relationship was a fierce rivalry with an undertone of a begrudging respect. While the potential for friendship was there, but it never blossomed into one. And if Kishimoto hadn't manipulated his narrative to convince us that they considered one another brothers (when on-panel evidence depicts them barely even being friends), it's fair to say that the fans wouldn't have defined them as "brothers"/"best friends" based on their previous interactions.

[rikakim94]

Kishi couldn't even write "rivals who hate each other but grow to love each other later on" trope well. Isn't that a common trope in shounen? and he couldn't even write that well. Then he calls himself a manga author?   
 

Edited by rikakim94, 12 October 2017 - 01:00 AM.

[ThroughWithLove]

Naruto and Sasuke's relationship was a fierce rivalry with an undertone of a begrudging respect. While the potential for friendship was there, but it never blossomed into one. And if Kishimoto hadn't manipulated his narrative to convince us that they considered one another brothers (when on-panel evidence depicts them barely even being friends), it's fair to say that the fans wouldn't have defined them as "brothers"/"best friends" based on their previous interactions.

Honestly, I've been complaining about this since the first VoTe fight. The whole "brothers" crap came out of nowhere and was totally unnecessary.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Honestly, I've been complaining about this since the first VoTe fight. The whole "brothers" crap came out of nowhere and was totally unnecessary.

Well, they needed Sasuke to be relevant, how you can be unrelevant if MC if chasing your ass? At best, It would be "Sasuke joined Akatsuki" - "Okay, we'll eventually meet one day", not "I gonna humiliate myself for a person that tried to kill me more times than call me friend" thing. Logic of part of Naruto goes like this:

I'm gonna bring Sasuke back (Why? Promise of lifetime) -> We gonna bring Sasuke back (We agreed to try one more time together with Sakura, Yamato (you guys remember him right?) and Sai) -> I'm gonna bring Sasuke back (Why? Not because of PoV, just for my reasons, never stated).

[NarutoUzumaki01]

aayyy, another kitten repeating.

[winter-serenade]

Canonically? No, Naruto didn't love Sakura, -at least- in the sense of romantic love, I.E., pre-Last, he never felt love before. He only understood the concept.
 
I do also highly disagree that Hinata was just "shoe-horned", as you are either ignoring it was developed earlier on, or just missing those details.

I dont agree with these statements. Not one bit. Heres why.

There has been evidence in the databooks and manga itself that Naruto has loved Sakura. The parallels, the way he acts around her, Hakus words When you have something special that you want to protect, only then can you become truly strong, the fight with Gaara.

When he made the Promise of a Lifetime to Sakura, the emotions he had made it clear as day that he was in love. When he said I know how much pain youre in because of Sasuke. I can understand. The way Naruto's face was hidden indicated hidden feelings. He could understand because he too had an unrequited love: for Sakura. And thats only in Part 1.

In Part 2, the moment that sticks out to me is Sais flashback, when he asked Naruto his feelings towards Sakura. The only reason Naruto didnt confess to Sakura was because he didnt keep his promise of bringing Sasuke back the day of the Valley of the End fight.

As for Hinata being shoehorned in, she was. I did some digging and it turns out she has only been in less than 80 panels in the whole 700 chapters of the series. It was hardly developed early on. Plus, the fact she was suddenly made into such an important character is more than enough to confirm she was shoehorned. For the sake of fan service, of course.

Edited by winter-serenade, 12 October 2017 - 02:52 AM.

[AHK]

Canonically? No, Naruto didn't love Sakura, -at least- in the sense of romantic love, I.E., pre-Last, he never felt love before. He only understood the concept.
 
I disagree with "understanding" Naruto more than anyone else, though certainly more than others, sure.
 
I -do- though, agree about the Naruto/Sasuke stuff feeling contrived. Again, all Team 7 relationships, as I usually say, suffer from their initial executions. 
 
I do also highly disagree that Hinata was just "shoe-horned", as you are either ignoring it was developed earlier on, or just missing those details.

Except that he did, and that was proven many times over. He absolutely loved her, that is a simple statement of fact. She did understand Naruto more than anyone else, the only other people that were close/right there with her were Tsunade, Jiraiya, and maybe Kakashi. Shikamaru as well. Which makes what she did worse.

The fact that you disagree doesn't make it any less true. Hinata was absolutely shoehorned in, as she literally meant nothing to the story and Naruto didn't know her from a doorpost until she was forced in his face. There were no details to be ignored, nor were there any developement early on. She was only relevant when she was willing to step over the corpses of others like Neji. She was literally forced in the story, and even the fact that the Last had to retcon the events of Naruto's early days to force Hinata's relevance proves it.

No matter how you try and twist that, Hinata was shoehorned in. That's a fact.

Edited by AHK, 12 October 2017 - 05:15 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Except that he did, and that was proven many times over. He absolutely loved her, that is a simple statement of fact. She did understand Naruto more than anyone else, the only other people that were close/right there with her were Tsunade, Jiraiya, and maybe Kakashi. Shikamaru as well. Which makes what she did worse.

The fact that you disagree doesn't make it any less true. Hinata was absolutely shoehorned in, as she literally meant nothing to the story and Naruto didn't know her from a doorpost until she was forced in his face. There were no details to be ignored, nor were there any developement early on. She was only relevant when she was willing to step over the corpses of others like Neji. She was literally forced in the story, and even the fact that the Last had to retcon the events of Naruto's early days to force Hinata's relevance proves it.

No matter how you try and twist that, Hinata was shoehorned in. That's a fact.

Seems Analyzers likes to subscribe to the world of "alternative facts".

[My Living Curse]

Seems Analyzers likes to subscribe to the world of "alternative facts".

 

Everytime I see any of her posts, this comes to mind! 

 

 

And just in time for the holidays! Yay!

[TheFirstEvil100]

 Naruto and Sasuke's relationship was a fierce rivalry with an undertone of a begrudging respect. While the potential for friendship was there, but it never blossomed into one. And if Kishimoto hadn't manipulated his narrative to convince us that they considered one another brothers (when on-panel evidence depicts them barely even being friends), it's fair to say that the fans wouldn't have defined them as "brothers"/"best friends" based on their previous interactions.

Oh I agree man true friends are like Bucky and Steve Rogers.

 

Well, they needed Sasuke to be relevant, how you can be unrelevant if MC if chasing your ass? At best, It would be "Sasuke joined Akatsuki" - "Okay, we'll eventually meet one day", not "I gonna humiliate myself for a person that tried to kill me more times than call me friend" thing. Logic of part of Naruto goes like this:

I'm gonna bring Sasuke back (Why? Promise of lifetime) -> We gonna bring Sasuke back (We agreed to try one more time together with Sakura, Yamato (you guys remember him right?) and Sai) -> I'm gonna bring Sasuke back (Why? Not because of PoV, just for my reasons, never stated).

That is true Sasuke was just forced in there cause as we all know Sasuke is Kishi fave and Kishi loves Sasuke so much, I mean I can buy that at the end of part 1 Sasuke would get away, but the rest and him bending over backwords for Sasuke. No that is something I will never buy.