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#121 Dalton.T.R

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 03:05 PM

 

 

 

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 08:29 PM

With liberty and justice for most:

 

http://www.zerohedge...comment-7777598

 

Nice to see big guv is as impartial as usual


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Posted 06 July 2016 - 03:14 AM

What a surprise. I'm sure this has nothing to do with Hillary running for president.

 

Meanwhile Trump says something mean, and that is enough to make him public enemy number one. What a joke this election is. This is like some backward eleciton year in a crappy third world country. And I say this from personal experience, I live in one.


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Posted 06 July 2016 - 12:29 PM

With liberty and justice for most:
 
http://www.zerohedge...comment-7777598
 
Nice to see big guv is as impartial as usual

More like justice for the rich people you get off while if it where you or me we get the book thrown at us.
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Posted 06 July 2016 - 03:16 PM

More like justice for the rich people you get off while if it where you or me we get the book thrown at us.

 

James Comey basically admitted as much at the end of his speech.

 

It was bizarre. He basically laid out a solid gross negligence case, which detailed rather galling inappropriate behavior. It also conclusively provided everything that came out of her mouth on the issue was a bald faced lie. Yet, no charges because no malicious intent? First, what does he think the purpose of the server was? It's clear (particularly from Huma's depo) the entire point was to avoid accountability and public disclosure laws. That's an issue in and of itself.

 

Second, I'm sure he knows 18 USC 793 does not require any such mens rea. 793 would seem to be designed to punish behavior that while not intentionally harmful, but is so outside what a reasonable person would do that they are still held responsible for the consequences (or possible consequences) of their conduct.

 

Negligence as a stand presupposes you don't intent the result or possible results of your conduct. If you do the you get charged with an intent based crime. Given that he took no questions he has no explanation for this or why "extreme recklessness" doesn't, in his mind, rise to that.

 

I agree with others who suggest he knew the fix was in from the DOJ and was unwilling to stick his own neck out there knowing his effective superiors would do everything within their power to cut his head off. If his intent were to totally exonerate her then he wouldn't have simple laid bare her malfeasance and numerous lies to the public before walking off stage without taking questions. He was a brutal to her position as he could be short of actually recommending charges be filed.

 

I think Comey deep down thinks she should have been charged, but likes his career enough that he was unwilling to take the hit.



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Posted 06 July 2016 - 07:07 PM

 

James Comey basically admitted as much at the end of his speech.

 

It was bizarre. He basically laid out a solid gross negligence case, which detailed rather galling inappropriate behavior. It also conclusively provided everything that came out of her mouth on the issue was a bald faced lie. Yet, no charges because no malicious intent? First, what does he think the purpose of the server was? It's clear (particularly from Huma's depo) the entire point was to avoid accountability and public disclosure laws. That's an issue in and of itself.

 

Second, I'm sure he knows 18 USC 793 does not require any such mens rea. 793 would seem to be designed to punish behavior that while not intentionally harmful, but is so outside what a reasonable person would do that they are still held responsible for the consequences (or possible consequences) of their conduct.

 

Negligence as a stand presupposes you don't intent the result or possible results of your conduct. If you do the you get charged with an intent based crime. Given that he took no questions he has no explanation for this or why "extreme recklessness" doesn't, in his mind, rise to that.

 

I agree with others who suggest he knew the fix was in from the DOJ and was unwilling to stick his own neck out there knowing his effective superiors would do everything within their power to cut his head off. If his intent were to totally exonerate her then he wouldn't have simple laid bare her malfeasance and numerous lies to the public before walking off stage without taking questions. He was a brutal to her position as he could be short of actually recommending charges be filed.

 

I think Comey deep down thinks she should have been charged, but likes his career enough that he was unwilling to take the hit.

He's a Coward. Yes the corruption runs deep but someone has to cross the line in the sand before the whole castle comes crashing down. Had Comey stuck by his guns he would have been targeted but I think it is getting harder for the sound byte leftist media to ad hominem people to death. Had he been fired no one would have denied the possibility of coercion.

 

Now would anyone like some more bananas with their lovely "Socialist Democracy" republic?


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Posted 06 July 2016 - 08:56 PM

Go Trump! 🙋

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Posted 06 July 2016 - 11:45 PM

http://www.zerohedge...e-clinton-email\

 

Scumbags, all of them. But this is a reflection of the people who have gone absolutely mental in my opinion.

 

Government is corrupt: I totally agree with this

 

So let's vote for Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton clearly we need more government: More cancer to solve the cancer?

 

Leftism is a mental disorder


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Posted 07 July 2016 - 05:18 AM

Yet right wingers want government so small that it can fit into any woman's kitten and control what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms...right...government is corrupt now, but someone like Trump at the helm will only make it more corrupt, but much of the public won't care as long as right wingers keep sounding the drums of "war" of some kind to keep peoples' attention on something else.

"Keep your hands off my medicare" supporters say and yet completely ignore that getting rid of medicare (and any sort of assistance) is exactly what right wingers want. They complain that government "isn't working" by obstructing as much as possible so nothing can get done so they can say "I told you so!" all so the ignorant public votes them into office to "fix things". They then gut as much as they possibly can to fill their wallets all while claiming it's exactly what needs to be done to "fix things", leading to further collapse of infrastructure, loss of jobs, failing of the economy, etc., then when people get angry at getting screwed over somehow as a result of those policies, those right wingers just repeat the formula - complain that it's the fault of left wingers and that the only way to "fix it" is to keep them in power.

We already went through this crap with the Bush Administration and now right wingers want it to happen again on a much worse scale.


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Posted 07 July 2016 - 04:11 PM

 
James Comey basically admitted as much at the end of his speech.
 
It was bizarre. He basically laid out a solid gross negligence case, which detailed rather galling inappropriate behavior. It also conclusively provided everything that came out of her mouth on the issue was a bald faced lie. Yet, no charges because no malicious intent? First, what does he think the purpose of the server was? It's clear (particularly from Huma's depo) the entire point was to avoid accountability and public disclosure laws. That's an issue in and of itself.
 
Second, I'm sure he knows 18 USC 793 does not require any such mens rea. 793 would seem to be designed to punish behavior that while not intentionally harmful, but is so outside what a reasonable person would do that they are still held responsible for the consequences (or possible consequences) of their conduct.
 
Negligence as a stand presupposes you don't intent the result or possible results of your conduct. If you do the you get charged with an intent based crime. Given that he took no questions he has no explanation for this or why "extreme recklessness" doesn't, in his mind, rise to that.
 
I agree with others who suggest he knew the fix was in from the DOJ and was unwilling to stick his own neck out there knowing his effective superiors would do everything within their power to cut his head off. If his intent were to totally exonerate her then he wouldn't have simple laid bare her malfeasance and numerous lies to the public before walking off stage without taking questions. He was a brutal to her position as he could be short of actually recommending charges be filed.
 
I think Comey deep down thinks she should have been charged, but likes his career enough that he was unwilling to take the hit.

It really was pretty funny he admitted that in his statement. I think she was careles and grossly negligent but since no prosecutors would take the job we decided to not draw up charges. 😂 And basically stated to the effect since its Clinton we can not get her as she's a special protected class of elite democrat that needs no jail time.

Edited by Ryriena, 07 July 2016 - 04:14 PM.

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 04:18 PM

He's a Coward. Yes the corruption runs deep but someone has to cross the line in the sand before the whole castle comes crashing down. Had Comey stuck by his guns he would have been targeted but I think it is getting harder for the sound byte leftist media to ad hominem people to death. Had he been fired no one would have denied the possibility of coercion.
 
Now would anyone like some more bananas with their lovely "Socialist Democracy" republic?

I never bought the idea that the media was literaly biased against conservatives. I would say the media is more about profits than actual information biased because they choose to not inform the public by making it a us vs them narrative. When it shouldve been based on who's the right candidate for the job.

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 08:22 PM

I never bought the idea that the media was liberally biased against conservatives. I would say the media is more about profits than actual information biased because they choose to not inform the public by making it us vs them narrative. When it should based on who's the right candidate.

It's been about drama, sensationalism, stirring up the crowd, etc. for the last few decades rather than facts, truth, and journalism for most news outlets, all for ratings and profits like entertainment networks, hence "corporate media" (in the US, it's all owned by merely six corporations, IIRC). It's why the idea of a "liberal media" is so ridiculous. Not to mention stuff like the Fairness Doctrine being struck down allows ones like Fox News to essentially be nothing but the mouthpiece of the Republican Party and hardly ever having on anyone of an opposing viewpoint, and what few times they do, they just shout down that voice as much as possible and/or cut their mic so they can hardly speak.

It's why polls had shown that more people get actual news from comedy shows like The Daily Show, the late The Colbert Report, and other similar shows, or from the Internet, than actual supposed news stations.


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Posted 07 July 2016 - 08:59 PM

I'm not sure how serious you are here..
 
No one ever believes a rape victim, but here the attacker is muslim - does that make it easier for you? And, the more serious punishment you seek, the more evidence it needs for a successful trial. So forget execution, unless you're for assasination lol.
 
Mind you, Donald Trump has been accused of rape by at least 2 people(being his ex-wife, and a 13-yo girl who had formidable evidence). You can look it up yourself, but you probably will not admit even the possibility? Is that because you want to protect him or because you believe he's good? What he said about rape in the military makes more sense if you put it together too. "26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?" Do you also think it is human nature and not a monstrous thing to do?
 
You want that person to be president. Thus I don't believe you are care about rape at all, but saw an opportunity to justify your hatred towards refugees/muslims.

I usually don't even bother in conversations like these, but the bold is most definitely false. This country operates on a guilty until proven innocent mindset, especially in media (mostly in social media), when it's supposed to be the other way around.

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Posted 08 July 2016 - 12:14 AM

I usually don't even bother in conversations like these, but the bold is most definitely false. This country operates on a guilty until proven innocent mindset, especially in media (mostly in social media), when it's supposed to be the other way around.

Of everything I said you nitpick out one sentence? Have you taken a look at rapists' lack of punishment in this world? You are guilty until proven innocent, but with rapists it's the other way around, and even proff isn't always enough. 1 in 5-7 women are raped so I am of course friends with some victims.  One whom had all the evidence she needed(several witnesses, DNA, proof of violence etc), yet it was dismissed because she was drunk - but having sex with someone that drunk is by law rape alone. We're lucky the Stanford rapist even got 6 months. Social media really depends, but there is a tendency to blame the victim.

 

But, honestly that wasn't even my point in that post.. Calling out hypocrites is my favourite thing to do, especially with responses that claim Hillary Clinton(whom I've been talking kitten about since I came here) is precious to me. I understand though, because there was no way to defend Trump but to say "your candidate is worse than mine". I support only Sanders, but if he ever gets involved in something like this, I'd ditch him in a second.


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Posted 08 July 2016 - 01:26 AM

Of everything I said you nitpick out one sentence? Have you taken a look at rapists' lack of punishment in this world? You are guilty until proven innocent, but with rapists it's the other way around, and even proff isn't always enough. 1 in 5-7 women are raped so I am of course friends with some victims.  One whom had all the evidence she needed(several witnesses, DNA, proof of violence etc), yet it was dismissed because she was drunk - but having sex with someone that drunk is by law rape alone. We're lucky the Stanford rapist even got 6 months. Social media really depends, but there is a tendency to blame the victim.
 
But, honestly that wasn't even my point in that post.. Calling out hypocrites is my favourite thing to do, especially with responses that claim Hillary Clinton(whom I've been talking kitten about since I came here) is precious to me. I understand though, because there was no way to defend Trump but to say "your candidate is worse than mine". I support only Sanders, but if he ever gets involved in something like this, I'd ditch him in a second.

Maybe because that one sentence was really the only thing I had a problem with? The first bold sentence is wrong, you are always innocent until proven guilty, that has long since been a staple of our justice system. I'm not going to comment on your friends situation because I know nothing about what happened, and it would be irresponsible of me to do so.

The second bold sentence is incredibly grey, and opens a giant can of worms. If that line is true, one of the things that could be said is that women should be just as accountable as men. If it's rape for a drunk man to have sex with a drunk woman, than the opposite should hold true as well. There's also a lot of other grey area that is jut as murky.

Plenty of rapists get punished accordingly, as they should. The one that doesn't isn't representative of the entire system. You're just more likely to hear about the one that doesn't because that drives ratings on media.

More times than not, the media operates on the assumption that the man is guilty, because if they even begin to approach it down the line, it gets immediately portrayed as victim blaming. Victim blaming happens, of course, but a lot of the time the term is used when people try to be neutral, especially on social media. Social media is a cesspool of intolerance, you're not allowed to disagree with anybody's opinion because if you do, you're automatically a racist, liberal, chauvinist etc.

As it relates to candidates, they all sucked. Hilary is meh, Trump is awful, Bernie is way to far left and seems to inspire a lack of accountability, etc. I wasn't happy with any of them.

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Posted 08 July 2016 - 03:22 AM

I know what you mean...for example, I feel like one of the few who hasn't jumped on the "Bill Cosby is a guilty rapist" bandwagon yet because, from what i can tell, it hasn't been proven beyond any reasonable doubt yet, but so many people are just saying he "must" be guilty solely because of the number of women alleging that he raped them without seeming to consider the possibility at all that at least some of them could simply be lying just to get some kind of free cut. It doesn't mean that I don't think he could have possibly done it, but tons of people instantly jump on me as if that's exactly what I said and call me a "rape apologist" and such. If it gets proven that he did it, then yeah, toss him in a cell and throw away the key.


And honestly, Bernie's policies aren't really "far left". They're actually more in line with Eisenhower's policies back in the 50s. They only feel "far left" because of just how far right the country has been dragged ever since Reagan and 9/11.


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Posted 08 July 2016 - 02:08 PM

In all honesty, I agree a lot of Bernie policies aren't that radical or anywere near being consider as far left. In fact most of his policies fit in with the center left parties in Europe and Eisenhower policies. The Democrats here would be considered center right compared to any Europen political parties.
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Posted 08 July 2016 - 02:53 PM

In all honesty, I agree a lot of Bernie policies aren't that radical or anywere near being consider as far left. In fact most of his policies fit in with the center left parties in Europe and Eisenhower policies. The Democrats here would be considered center right compared to any Europen political parties.

yeah, where I live Bernie is considered the rightest of left. So when people say Bernie is too much left, remember I'm from northern europe which has a very different standard of left and right. XD

I'm a bit curious tho, if he had lived in a european country, would he be even more left to base his standpoint on one country's issues? Or maybe he would've had much similar views because he has a spesific ideology.. I don't think I would've liked his politics in my home country, but for the US it's nice.

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Posted 08 July 2016 - 03:14 PM

I know what you mean...for example, I feel like one of the few who hasn't jumped on the "Bill Cosby is a guilty rapist" bandwagon yet because, from what i can tell, it hasn't been proven beyond any reasonable doubt yet, but so many people are just saying he "must" be guilty solely because of the number of women alleging that he raped them without seeming to consider the possibility at all that at least some of them could simply be lying just to get some kind of free cut. It doesn't mean that I don't think he could have possibly done it, but tons of people instantly jump on me as if that's exactly what I said and call me a "rape apologist" and such. If it gets proven that he did it, then yeah, toss him in a cell and throw away the key.


And honestly, Bernie's policies aren't really "far left". They're actually more in line with Eisenhower's policies back in the 50s. They only feel "far left" because of just how far right the country has been dragged ever since Reagan and 9/11.

Far right? The country hasn't gone to the right since the 50s. We have centralized banking in order to "manage the economy for the good of the people". The FED was created in 1914 and was given Tremendous power when fiat currency was put into place by Nixon. Reagan used the FED under Volckner to raise interest rates, tripled the subsidies for farming and industry, and broke the unions under Patco, toss in medicare, federal college loans, Obamacare, Abortion which is a feature in every socialist government, and every single agency created since and you realize that the US has never truly gone right since even the 1930s.

 

Bernie is even more extreme then any of them. Government funded college education, a more complete government healthcare system, etc.

 

And trust me the lovely "Socialist Democracies" of Europe are struggling big time. For example France is suffering from unemployment and is currently in a labor strike, Sweden has become the rape capital of the world, Deutchebank is so insolvent that Italy has refused to accept a bailout from them, Britain has abandoned ship, and each country is struggling to deal with a replenishment rate problem which is not producing a stable tax pillar group to uphold the social programs and promises made to their older generations.

 

And their media is almost tyrannical attacking anyone who challenges the narrative. For example the Rottheram Sex scandal where police refused to shut down a disgusting child sexual assault ring for over 10 years because they were afraid of being attacked as racists. Or the rape of a serbian boy at a pool which was withheld from the public for months.

 

I really hate it when Bernie says," Look at Europe and their successes with democratic socialism." Imo it has been a colossal failure


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Posted 08 July 2016 - 11:47 PM

Far right? The country hasn't gone to the right since the 50s. We have centralized banking in order to "manage the economy for the good of the people". The FED was created in 1914 and was given Tremendous power when fiat currency was put into place by Nixon. Reagan used the FED under Volckner to raise interest rates, tripled the subsidies for farming and industry, and broke the unions under Patco, toss in medicare, federal college loans, Obamacare, Abortion which is a feature in every socialist government, and every single agency created since and you realize that the US has never truly gone right since even the 1930s.

 

Bernie is even more extreme then any of them. Government funded college education, a more complete government healthcare system, etc.

 

And trust me the lovely "Socialist Democracies" of Europe are struggling big time. For example France is suffering from unemployment and is currently in a labor strike, Sweden has become the rape capital of the world, Deutchebank is so insolvent that Italy has refused to accept a bailout from them, Britain has abandoned ship, and each country is struggling to deal with a replenishment rate problem which is not producing a stable tax pillar group to uphold the social programs and promises made to their older generations.

 

And their media is almost tyrannical attacking anyone who challenges the narrative. For example the Rottheram Sex scandal where police refused to shut down a disgusting child sexual assault ring for over 10 years because they were afraid of being attacked as racists. Or the rape of a serbian boy at a pool which was withheld from the public for months.

 

I really hate it when Bernie says," Look at Europe and their successes with democratic socialism." Imo it has been a colossal failure

 

I remember when Bernie had no answer to socialism's complete failure in Venezuela, Argentina, and Brazil. 

 

 

 

And honestly, Bernie's policies aren't really "far left". They're actually more in line with Eisenhower's policies back in the 50s. They only feel "far left" because of just how far right the country has been dragged ever since Reagan and 9/11.

 

S We aren't Europe, politically. So I really, really don't care that he wouldn't be far left somewhere else for people who have chosen a different path. 

 

I don't recall Dwight trying to nationalize health care and higher education like Bernie wants to do. Bernie's policies are far left compared to what the US has done for pretty much its entire history. Many of his policies would also be right at home in Venezuela, too. So can we imply they aren't that far left too? Chavez and Maduro aren't extreme, right?

 

Besides, Eisenhower the first Republican to win since the party's collapse in the 1930's. A Republican trying to win in an era of Democrat dominance is going to look more like them they would be at others times. It's like using Bill Clinton as goal posts for Democrats during an era of Republican dominance. He's down right conservative compared to the people running now. 

 

 

 

As it relates to candidates, they all sucked. Hilary is meh, Trump is awful, Bernie is way to far left and seems to inspire a lack of accountability, etc. I wasn't happy with any of them.

 

Personally, if PPP had called me I'd have probably said I support the Meteor too. SMOD 2016!

 

I'll probably vote Trump because the odds of him doing something I support are higher than the near zero chance that Hillary will, even though I hate his guts. I hate them all. So, I might need to bring a barf bag to the booth.

 

And no, I don't trust Trump with the Codes. But after the email scandal, I don't see why I should trust Hillary with them either.







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