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[Atheck]

  
Strangely, I don't feel bad being loved by another man.

 

For what it's worth, you also have my utmost gratitude and respect for doing all this to help uncover the truth and for remaining with the group all this time. 

[ramenanmitsu]

why you say that though? Lol is it the fact that Naruto loves Sakura-Chan or is it the fact that it confirmed that he will never ever give up and he inherited Jairaya's will? Or is it the latter? Because I read it and I said AINT no way Naruto would ever give up on Sakura-Chan.

I didn't even read Sakura's part. The tale of the Gutsy Ninja and Jiraiya's will is what convinced me that this Naruto and the Naruto in chapter 700 is a different person.

I translated Sakura's and Naruto's profiles in the data book (that came out like days before the ending) and I'm STILL IN SHOCK of the manga?? I don't get it? Why would chapter 700 be released if it wasn't the real ending? I'm still in deep confusion.

  
You translated it? Does it mean that I don't need to translate it anymore?

Didn't Kishi say that to understand the movie you have to read chapter 700? If chapter 700 was the real ending don't you think it would have been the other way around? Instead, we have to read the chapter to understand the movie. What will be the point of the movie if the ending was clear in chapter 700 and Kishi saying that chapter 700 should be read BEFORE the movie and NOT after.

Where is your translation
 
Everyone loves you
There is my two cents to it:
 

It's in the third page of this thread

[Illnevergiveup3]

Ramen for president. Ramen is our savior
 
 

I know, huh? It's so weird. Please don't give up on the girl in your avatar, don't be like Naruto! to think I'd ever say that smfh

Thanks, and I never will:-)

[Khaleesi]

Thanks, and I never will:-)

Awwww, people in love

#protectthispersonatallcosts

[Illnevergiveup3]

Awwww, people in love
#protectthispersonatallcosts

always:-)

[Askia31]

I didn't even read Sakura's part. The tale of the Gutsy Ninja and Jiraiya's will is what convinced me that this Naruto and the Naruto in chapter 700 is a different person.

  
You translated it? Does it mean that I don't need to translate it anymore?

Didn't Kishi say that to understand the movie you have to read chapter 700? If chapter 700 was the real ending don't you think it would have been the other way around? Instead, we have to read the chapter to understand the movie. What will be the point of the movie if the ending was clear in chapter 700 and Kishi saying that chapter 700 should be read BEFORE the movie and NOT after.

It's in the third page of this thread

Yea He said it I guess.

 

 

Kishimoto-sensei says the manga and movie are connected, and because that is the case the manga should be read to completion first. However, even if one hasn’t finished the manga it’s alright! He continues on mentioning that he’s going to be blunt and say the movie is about love! There hasn’t been a movie with a romantic theme thus far so he hopes fans will enjoy the experience.

http://www.saiyanisl...ry-information/

Edited by Askia31, 09 November 2014 - 03:47 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

for your question ->

So that's a repetition of what I said isn't it? He strongly recommended the manga be read in completion first NOT after the movie.

Why would he say that if chapter 700 is what happens AFTER the movie? He should have made chapter 700 after the movie instead of forcing it together with chapter 699, if the chapter is the future of the movie. Don't you think it's weird he's telling us to read the conclusion before the process?

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 09 November 2014 - 03:50 AM.

[luffyq1]

Didn't Kishi say that to understand the movie you have to read chapter 700? If chapter 700 was the real ending don't you think it would have been the other way around? Instead, we have to read the chapter to understand the movie. What will be the point of the movie if the ending was clear in chapter 700 and Kishi saying that chapter 700 should be read BEFORE the movie and NOT after.

this is just too perfect of a post.

[tricksie]

I didn't even read Sakura's part. The tale of the Gutsy Ninja and Jiraiya's will is what convinced me that this Naruto and the Naruto in chapter 700 is a different person.

  
You translated it? Does it mean that I don't need to translate it anymore?

Didn't Kishi say that to understand the movie you have to read chapter 700? If chapter 700 was the real ending don't you think it would have been the other way around? Instead, we have to read the chapter to understand the movie. What will be the point of the movie if the ending was clear in chapter 700 and Kishi saying that chapter 700 should be read BEFORE the movie and NOT after.

It's in the third page of this thread

 

I'm in complete agreement. The marketing of the manga and the movies and merch, the databooks, The Tale of the Gutsy Ninja, paralell relationships like Konan and Yahiko, Obito and Rin, Jiraiya and Tsunade, Kushina and Minato and her "find a girl like me" comment, Yamato and Sai's comments, and finally Naruto with his saving Sakura like Minato saved him and the "she's my girlfriend" comment.... All of this tells me that Sakura was meant to be the end pairing. Until the very end. I will never be convinced otherwise. And I fully believe at some point Kishimoto will admit that he changed his storyline, that it was meant to be NS all along.

 

About the movie and the manga, I have no hope of the movie being anything but a giant retcon. And for the record, Kishi's finished. The illustration on the last page of Konoha and his thanking the fans for 15 years, was a final and unequivocal goodbye. There may be a future project or projects, but I would be willing to bet money that Kishi will only be loosely involved, as in name only. 

 

Kishimoto's done with the manga. SP and SJ may not be, but he is. And if it's only in the hands of SP for movies and the rest of the anime, then it's a Hinata-fest I want nothing to do wtih.

[Khaleesi]

So that's a repetition of what I said isn't it? He strongly recommended the manga be read in completion first NOT after the movie.

Why would he say that if chapter 700 is what happens AFTER the movie? He should have made chapter 700 after the movie instead of forcing it together with chapter 699, if the chapter is the future of the movie. Don't you think it's weird he's telling us to read the conclusion before the process?

That could be the case. But what if is just that we will need to re-read the chapter? Like, people just don't understand why NH got together if he had Sakura-chan. And if the movie explains "how he fell in love", then you will "understand" chapter 700. Am I explaining it well? 

Anyway, when analizing something we should consider all the possibilities if there is percentage for its existence.

[Atheck]

So that's a repetition of what I said isn't it? He strongly recommended the manga be read in completion first NOT after the movie.

Why would he say that if chapter 700 is what happens AFTER the movie? He should have made chapter 700 after the movie instead of forcing it together with chapter 699, if the chapter is the future of the movie. Don't you think it's weird he's telling us to read the conclusion before the process?

 

It couldn't be that Kishi is trying to wet the appetites of his readers by recommending that they need to first understand the end result so the journey leading there can be more gratifying to the reader. But why any sensible fan with in-depth knowledge of the literary devices and dialogue used to reinforce the romantic implications of Sakura and Naruto's bond is a conundrum in and of itself. 

[Askia31]

So that's a repetition of what I said isn't it? He strongly recommended the manga be read in completion first NOT after the movie.

Why would he say that if chapter 700 is what happens AFTER the movie? He should have made chapter 700 after the movie instead of forcing it together with chapter 699, if the chapter is the future of the movie. Don't you think it's weird he's telling us to read the conclusion before the process?

theres also the fact that naruto in this chapter http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/691/16 said that he isnt only eating ramen when its what he seems to do in the epilogue...dont you think he would be eating something else to show that he does actually respect his mom's wishes? Imo it really contradicts what he said.

Edited by Askia31, 09 November 2014 - 04:12 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

About the movie and the manga, I have no hope of the movie being anything but a giant retcon. And for the record, Kishi's finished. The illustration on the last page of Konoha and his thanking the fans for 15 years, was a final and unequivocal goodbye. There may be a future project or projects, but I would be willing to bet money that Kishi will only be loosely involved, as in name only. 
 
Kishimoto's done with the manga. SP and SJ may not be, but he is. And if it's only in the hands of SP for movies and the rest of the anime, then it's a Hinata-fest I want nothing to do wtih.

His goodbye was a message shown in the manga after he finished completing the movie and the manga. One thing I cannot make sense is about how It is generally understood that Kishi lost to pressure to SJ and SP. There's a popular manga in SJ called Hunter x Hunter and Togashi the author only updates once in a while, sometimes he doesn't update for a year. But the SJ or the anime team can't say anything about it because they need him to keep writing. Then there is a manga about a doctor (I forgot the name. Anyone know?) who shifted their publishing from SJ to a different magazine because his ideas clashes with the editors of SJ. These mangakas who definitely doesn't have even half the popularity of Kishi were able to write the way they want/protest and have enough power to do so. It's hard for me to believe that a man as powerful and popular as Kishi couldn't have done a similar kind of protest if he was in a situation where he is forced to write the story the way he didn't plan. Once you become Kishi or Oda's level, editors are only there to give advice. You can't force them to write one way or the other, and it's much profitable if they write the ending the editors doesn't want compared to not writing the ending at all.

That could be the case. But what if is just that we will need to re-read the chapter? Like, people just don't understand why NH got together if he had Sakura-chan. And if the movie explains "how he fell in love", then you will "understand" chapter 700. Am I explaining it well? 
Anyway, when analizing something we should consider all the possibilities if there is percentage for its existence.

So you mean that the movie is only meant to explain why Naruto got together with Hinata for people who will have doubt after chapter 700? That's possible. But then again, what a flop that movie will be.

It couldn't be that Kishi is trying to wet the appetites of his readers by recommending that they need to first understand the end result so the journey leading there can be more gratifying to the reader. But why any sensible fan with in-depth knowledge of the literary devices and dialogue used to reinforce the romantic implications of Sakura and Naruto's bond is a conundrum in and of itself.

That's possible. But I no more expect the movie to explain the journey leading to Naruto's path to Hokage or anything since he's most likely a side character here and it's mostly about Hinata and Torune. The only thing I want to know is if chapter 700 is the real ending or not.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 09 November 2014 - 04:24 AM.

[rocci]

@ramen
That mean masashi is a bad mangaka.

[Khaleesi]

His goodbye was a message shown in the manga after he finished completing the movie and the manga. One thing I cannot make sense is about how It is generally understood that Kishi lost to pressure to SJ and SP. There's a popular manga in SJ called Togashi and this guy only updates once in a while, sometimes he doesn't update for a year. But the SJ or the anime team can't say anything about it because they need him to keep writing. Then there is a manga about a doctor (I forgot the name. Anyone know?) who shifted their publishing from SJ to a different magazine because his ideas clashes with the editors of SJ. These mangakas who definitely doesn't have even half the popularity of Kishi were able to write the way they want/protest and have enough power to do so. It's hard for me to believe that a man as powerful and popular as Kishi couldn't have done a similar kind of protest if he was in a situation where he is forced to write the story the way he didn't plan. Once you become Kishi or Oda's level, editors are only there to give advice. You can't force them to write one way or the other, and it's much profitable if they write the ending the editors doesn't want compared to not writing the ending at all.

So you mean that the movie is only meant to explain why Naruto got together with Hinata for people who will have doubt after chapter 700? That's possible. But then again, what a flop that movie will be.

One thing that I forgot to add to my theory as part of a counter-argument for what I've wrote there is this:

 

First chapter:

 

Last chapter:

 

First and last chapter with the same title. Too much to not be real, don't you think? Or what could you say about this?

Edited by theunburnt, 09 November 2014 - 04:25 AM.

[narusakuotp]

I have finished translating half of Naruto's part of the databook. And all I can say is that I am more than ever certain, that chapter 700 is NOT the real ending. No way.

How about 699? It seems to tie in with 700...at least I think it does.

Edited by narusakuotp, 09 November 2014 - 04:22 AM.

[luffyq1]

theres also the fact that naruto in this chapter http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/691/16 said that he isnt only eating ramen when its what he seems to do in the epilogue...dont you think he would be eating something else to show that he does actually respect his mom's wishes? Imo it really contradicts what he said.

obvious IT is obvious now.

[咲耶姫]

So you mean that the movie is only meant to explain why Naruto got together with Hinata for people who will have doubt after chapter 700? That's possible. But then again, what a flop that movie will be.

I thought it was obvious that it was the purpose of the movie, since it's subtitled as 初めての愛 and because every promotion of that movie keep on reminding that Hinata's about love in that story and also saying that sentence うずまきナルトの最高物語は愛 proves that the movie is about Hinata's love but also Naruto's love. So if it's about both love life, it's obvious that the movie is meant to explain how Naruto fell in love and how Hinata got her man.

 

One thing that I forgot to add to my theory as part of a counter-argument for what I've write there is this:

 

First chapter:

 

Last chapter:

 

First and last chapter with the same title. Too much to not be real, don't you think? Or what could you say about this?

Yeah I agree so much on that. I also thought about it but forgot to mention it when I was debatting on Boruto being mad at his father not taking enough care of him. His prank was just meant to do a parallel to the first chapter. The last chapter was really some sort of parellel to chapter 1.  

Edited by 咲耶姫, 09 November 2014 - 04:24 AM.

[tricksie]

His goodbye was a message shown in the manga after he finished completing the movie and the manga. One thing I cannot make sense is about how It is generally understood that Kishi lost to pressure to SJ and SP. There's a popular manga in SJ called Togashi and this guy only updates once in a while, sometimes he doesn't update for a year. But the SJ or the anime team can't say anything about it because they need him to keep writing. Then there is a manga about a doctor (I forgot the name. Anyone know?) who shifted their publishing from SJ to a different magazine because his ideas clashes with the editors of SJ. These mangakas who definitely doesn't have even half the popularity of Kishi were able to write the way they want/protest and have enough power to do so. It's hard for me to believe that a man as powerful and popular as Kishi couldn't have done a similar kind of protest if he was in a situation where he is forced to write the story the way he didn't plan. Once you become Kishi or Oda's level, editors are only there to give advice. You can't force them to write one way or the other, and it's much profitable if they write the ending the editors doesn't want compared to not writing the ending at all.

 

I guess i keep going back to his bowing to some kind of pressure because the manga part of the brand, which Kishi was more closely working on, was very much NS. However the anime and movies, which were produced by large teams and may never have Kishi's input at all (or only in part for certain episodes/movies), were always promoting NH or SS. Sometimes subtly and sometimes overtly. So that says to me that there is a difference in the creator's vision and the marketing team's vision. 

 

And I'm certainly no expert on mangakas and how they operate, but it's been my experience that the bigger the project, the more hands are involved and the more people have to sign off on it. It's a nice thought that the creative person is going to be allowed to follow their passion and not be pushed to do what is the most commercially viable for the larger brand, but I've never found that to be the case. 

 

So taking that into account, that for 15 years the manga and the anime were in a subtle tug-of-war over the romance direction, I tend to think that in the end Kishimoto chose to go the route of what would be more commercially successful and allow the series/brand to continue. 

 

edit: ok I even hate the picture of Naruto at the bottom of the last page. The stern half-smile, so unlike Naruto growing up. Ugh.

[unhskikrforever]

Guys, I have a question. Are the soundtracks played in order of the movie? If they are, let's analyze this together. Let's use the soundtracks to come up with the sequence of the movie.

 

NARUTO Main Theme ’14 - Introduction of the movie
New Moon - A video of the moon
Friend - Hinata and Sakura?
First Love - Hinata with the scarf?
Lunar Eclipse - Snapshot of the moon/eclipse?
Little Song -
Different Sky - A change in the appearance of the sky
Black Bird -
Crescent Moon - A video of a crescent moon?
Crisis - Something bad happen
Day Dream -
Daymare -
Snow - A place where there is snow
TONERI - The bad guy show up
Cave - They get into a cave
Caution - Something happened.
Close to You - ?
Shadow - Foreshadow?
The Day -
Good-bye Forever - Goodbye to who?
Frozen Field -
Old Stories - Flashbacks
and Dark -
Destiny -
Night to Night -
Cache -
Remember You - Remember who?
Blue Black -
Stardust -
Recapture -
Red Shoes -
Unison -
Counterattack - A fight
My Sunshine -
Chain Explosion -
The Last - The Last of what? First love?
Moonset - They won the fight, the moon sets
Sunrise - The sun rises after that
New Breeze - A new day/They get back to their normal life
NARUTO and HINATA - Rejection or Union?
After Story - Set in the future

Edited by unhskikrforever, 09 November 2014 - 04:33 AM.