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[TouKen4Life3g]

Here's a question:

Are you against homosexual relationship? Yes, I don't think I will get a real answer but why not ask.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No, I strongly believe people should do what they want with their lives. Who they choose to love is non of my concern. I have been taught to accept others and I am a Mexican living in the US, so I know a thing or two about discrimination. But again, you guys may not believe me because you don't really know me.

I'm only asking. I have nothing against you.

[alexander]

I'm sure you genuinly believe that you have nothing against same-sex couples, but being homophobic is more than that, and it often lies in the subconsciousness. And this is to all those in this thread who's said "I'm not homophobic but..!!" No one can be completely sure they are free of bigotry. That reeks of arrogance. Casual homophobia is so carefully constructed, we're raised to be like this without noticing. Because under the surface, most of us believe straightness is the default. This problem is so normalized and cemented, and it nowadays it is more sophisticated, not as blatant as before. You can not know and you need to question yourself, and listen to lgbt people. If one of us believes in you enough to call you out on something, do not deny it. Listen, learn, and watch your mouth.

 

When you talk like that, you sound like those SJW from tumblr. I don't care about sexuality here. Korra STOLE Mako from Asami. She wounded her. Just as Mako was an scumbag for two timing on Asami, Korra was an scumbag when it came to the fact she stole the boyfriend of someone else. None of them deserved Asami after what they did. Or is this forgive and forget thing easier when it comes for the sake of an ship? That is the same argument SS fans use against us.

[Khaleesi]

lol, straight people telling what is or not offensive for LGTBA+ always gets me. 

[trang95]

I'm sure you genuinly believe that you have nothing against same-sex couples, but being homophobic is more than that, and it often lies in the subconsciousness. And this is to all those in this thread who's said "I'm not homophobic but..!!" No one can be completely sure they are free of bigotry. That reeks of arrogance. Casual homophobia is so carefully constructed, we're raised to be like this without noticing. Because under the surface, most of us believe straightness is the default. This problem is so normalized and cemented, and it nowadays it is more sophisticated, not as blatant as before. You can not know and you need to question yourself, and listen to lgbt people. If one of us believes in you enough to call you out on something, do not deny it. Listen, learn, and watch your mouth.

I have noticed how some people in this thread are apparently trying... to open other peoples' eyes to being subconsciously against homosexuality. I can't argue as eloquently and on point as others since English is not my first language, but let me tell you this:

I've really started to get to know homosexual people for the first time back then in high school, and admit to sometimes having felt weird around them. I have only rarely seen homosexual people in my life before I moved to the US; I didn't know how to act around them sometimes I guess. But I'm only 19 right now and have yet to learn many things in my life, and one of them is to meet and interact more with homosexual people to understand them better; however, I will never condemn these individuals who decide to take a romantic interest in their own sex. I grew up in a liberal household, and have often enough talked with my parents about homosexuality, and how it is ok to be homosexual.

No one in here truly knows me. When I go to church, I cringe secretly when I hear members of my church expressing their displeasure with homosexuality. When I hear my friends saying how their fathers are openly against homosexuals, I can't help but feeling sad and troubled. But if what you say might be true, I will work on and fight every little subconscious fear I might possibly have against lesbians and gay people.

I will not say more to this topic b/c like someone in here has said:" I would dig up my own grave with this topic."

[Broken Figurine]

 

I'm sure you genuinly believe that you have nothing against same-sex couples, but being homophobic is more than that, and it often lies in the subconsciousness. And this is to all those in this thread who's said "I'm not homophobic but..!!" No one can be completely sure they are free of bigotry. That reeks of arrogance. Casual homophobia is so carefully constructed, we're raised to be like this without noticing. Because under the surface, most of us believe straightness is the default. This problem is so normalized and cemented, and it nowadays it is more sophisticated, not as blatant as before. You can not know and you need to question yourself, and listen to lgbt people. If one of us believes in you enough to call you out on something, do not deny it. Listen, learn, and watch your mouth.

 

I've been rather off-put by both sides where Korrasami shippers will cry "homophobe" at any criticism of their ship, and of course the whole "can't they just be friends???" and obviously ignorant remarks. There are Korrasami shippers in the community who are criticizing that indeed the pairing has been left to interpretation--a form of queer-baiting so it's not surprising that people are making the argument that they may "just be friends". That's one of the problems with not having them confirmed while giving an ending with potentially romantic undertones. 

 

Probably the better question is that if Korrasami happened, would a person be upset BECAUSE it was a non-heterosexual relationship? Some people, though I disagree, dislike what feels like forced romance. Some people feel that their development was poor. This is something that can be applied across all ship-types. The root does not have to be "I don't like them because I'm fed up with seeing women being paired with other women." Oh, there are certainly some people who are being homophobic in their reasoning, but I'm also rather critical of people in the Korrasami ship who--sometimes to embarrassing degrees--will conflate homophobia with anything negative associated with the pairing. 

 

They are not confirmed romantically. They are IMPLIED, and I think we do need to ask ourselves that if we saw a heterosexual couple in their position would we assume romance or friendship? Considering this fandom, where we've torn Naruto apart left and right arguing why NaruSaku scenes are not friendly or 'sibling like' we should stand in the position where we can think in ways that go beyond those arguments. 

 

Some points to consider

1) They've never had a scene in which overt attraction was shown

HOWEVER:  Sexual attraction and romance do not have to go together (in the case of asexuals/demisexuals/etc)

2) They did not have a confession, they did not kiss, they did not refer to each other as romantic partners
HOWEVER: that does not mean that their relationship cannot move forward in this direction

 

Some less definitive scenes that could support a future relationship
*Mutual liking - Korra and Asami have said positive things about each other; "you're so sweet" "I like Korra" 

*Complimenting each other's looks - Korra and Asami upon meeting each other after a timeskip 

*Resolving conflict - They managed to work out their differences regarding Mako, regarding Korra accidentally being insensitive about Asami's father

*Offering support - Both Korra and Asami have been there for each other when they were vulnerable

*A deeper connection - Korra felt that Asami was someone she could 'talk to' and differentiated her from the group.

 

These can support a great friendship, but let's not forget that a good relationship is like a good friendship. A case can be made in both instances.

Arguments against a platonic relationship
*The hand-holding scene while facing forward and looking into each other's eyes as the light fades is more romantic than platonic
*Korra blushing when offering Asami a compliment (not when receiving one) could suggest being flustered in admitting that she thinks Asami is pretty.

 

When you talk like that, you sound like those SJW from tumblr. I don't care about sexuality here. Korra STOLE Mako from Asami. She wounded her. Just as Mako was an scumbag for two timing on Asami, Korra was an scumbag when it came to the fact she stole the boyfriend of someone else. None of them deserved Asami after what they did. Or is this forgive and forget thing easier when it comes for the sake of an ship? That is the same argument SS fans use against us.

 

That Mako cheated on Asami was problematic, but they managed to work it over. Korra was able to show compassion to a woman who had raised an army and created a weapon of mass destruction. Again, what is this false equivocation of a terrible pairing like SasuSaku where a guy tries to kill a girl multiple times and betrays her ever step of the way with someone who was involved in a love triangle mess that resolved itself by season 2's end? Yes, it's a valid argument to make--Asami and Korra's resolution after what they did may not sit well with people, and some question Asami's treatment in the Krew. Yet there is also the argument to make that Asami never disliked or blamed Korra for this "I like Korra" argument, but was upset with Mako. 

 

Asami also did sort of the same thing though shortly after Korra broke up with Mako. The whole love triangle was rather crappy and it was lampshaded and criticized in the clips episode. However, they moved past it and we see that without Mako, Korra and Asami have a great relationship. What would be more problematic is if the girls got with Mako again after both having the relationship with him fail twice. 

[Khaleesi]

I have noticed how some people in this thread are apparently trying... to open other peoples' eyes to being subconsciously against homosexuality. I can't argue as eloquently and on point as others since English is not my first language, but let me tell you this:

I've really started to get to know homosexual people for the first time back then in high school, and admit to sometimes having felt weird around them. I have only rarely seen homosexual people in my life before I moved to the US; I didn't know how to act around them sometimes I guess. But I'm only 19 right now and have yet to learn many things in my life, and one of them is to meet and interact more with homosexual people to understand them better; however, I will never condemn these individuals who decide to take a romantic interest in their own sex. I grew up in a liberal household, and have often enough talked with my parents about homosexuality, and how it is ok to be homosexual.

No one in here truly knows me. When I go to church, I cringe secretly when I hear members of my church expressing their displeasure with homosexuality. When I hear my friends saying how their fathers are openly against homosexuals, I can't help but feeling sad and troubled. But if what you say might be true, I will work on and fight every little subconscious fear I might possibly have against lesbians and gay people.

I will not say more to this topic b/c like someone in here has said:" I would dig up my own grave with this topic."

I'm glad you decided to work on it, because yes homophobia is a lot internalized. The worst is when people try to decide if they are or not being offensive with LGBTA+ community. Everyone should just listen. 

Makorra fans are NOT homophobic BECAUSE of their ship, but a lot of their comments are homophobic """"without realizing"""", that's probably why Korrasami shippers are calling them on it. But I won't accept crosstagging either way. 

[sushi.]

My post has less to do with people believing korrasami is real and more to do with the rally here that says "I'm NOT homophobic guyz!!!". Your defense mode has no chill. I think my bubble just popped, and although I do not like the term sjw, I am on that part of tumblr ofc.

Edited by sushi., 19 December 2014 - 11:22 PM.

[alexander]

 

 

 

That Mako cheated on Asami was problematic, but they managed to work it over. Korra was able to show compassion to a woman who had raised an army and created a weapon of mass destruction. Again, what is this false equivocation of a terrible pairing like SasuSaku where a guy tries to kill a girl multiple times and betrays her ever step of the way with someone who was involved in a love triangle mess that resolved itself by season 2's end? Yes, it's a valid argument to make--Asami and Korra's resolution after what they did may not sit well with people, and some question Asami's treatment in the Krew. Yet there is also the argument to make that Asami never disliked or blamed Korra for this "I like Korra" argument, but was upset with Mako. 

 

Asami also did sort of the same thing though shortly after Korra broke up with Mako. The whole love triangle was rather crappy and it was lampshaded and criticized in the clips episode. However, they moved past it and we see that without Mako, Korra and Asami have a great relationship. What would be more problematic is if the girls got with Mako again after both having the relationship with him fail twice. 

 

 

I apologize if my tone was harsh, is just that it boils my blood when people try to excuse Korra. The situation was not as drastic as SS, true, but the core remains the same. Korra brought a lot of grief to Asami, and that just gets hand waved and they become an couple. And while it's true that Asami got together with Mako after he broke up with Korra (wich I didn't approve of), at least they properly broke up and Asami never made an move on him while they were an item. I just think all these pairing are permanently stained by all the mess ups of the past (except for Bolin and Opal).

[rocci]

I never watch legend of korra, so I don't know if my comment hold any water.
I always believe avatar series inspire by naruto, big or small, direct or indirectly. With that said I see that the korramisa is equivalent to narusasu minus the saving thing. Just my opinion, please don't kill me ^^.

[sushi.]

I never watch legend of korra, so I don't know if my comment hold any water.
I always believe avatar series inspire by naruto, big or small, direct or indirectly. With that said I see that the korramisa is equivalent to narusasu minus the saving thing. Just my opinion, please don't kill me ^^.

I will kill you

[trang95]

I never watch legend of korra, so I don't know if my comment hold any water.
I always believe avatar series inspire by naruto, big or small, direct or indirectly. With that said I see that the korramisa is equivalent to narusasu minus the saving thing. Just my opinion, please don't kill me ^^.

I haven't even thought about that yet!

So guys, what do you think?: Is KorrAsami=NaruSasu?

There are indeed some similarities, right?

[Khaleesi]

how is that even possible, I don't see any similarity

Narusasu is abusive but "with subtle love".

[Khaleesi]

How about how they're both wounded people that have a special bond.

and that's not enough to compare it with narusasu, lol

then narusasu is the same as 95% of canon couples everywhere. they are just comparing them because it's a h o m o couple :/

[Khaleesi]

She asked if there were similarities, and I believe that is one.

Similarity that is on almost every canon couple. It's like saying what Shikatema is the same as Sasusaku because both of them has one kid.