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[Atheck]

Also in Part I when Naruto and Sasuke fought on the roof of the hospital when Sasuke was throwing is little hissy fit, he saw how much more damage Rasengan did to the water tank, and got even more angry.

 

The Rasengan and Chidori use two different varieties of force. Spiralling concussive force is transmitted into something where it begins to drill through to the back and out, leaving a gaping hole where the Rasengan's energy punched through (the water tank proves this). Although from what's been seen of all the hands-on showings against people, the damage is inflicted at the area of impact, drilling into the person rather than preserving the energy for an internal to external pathway. 

 

Chidori was intended to be an assassination technique. I think the principal is to kill as quickly and effectively as possible with giving as little time for the victim to retaliate or cry out as possible. You greatly strengthen the penetrative force of your limbs through nature manipulation and that enables you to reach a person's vital organs with Chidori. Besides acting as a human sized sword, there's probably some scorching and paralysis damage from the Raiton itself. It may not have been intended to have the same area of impact as the Rasengan though. 

 

They're both equally damaging in their own ways and they both require advanced chakra manipulation to be able to make. The Rasengan has the advantage of not having to form any handseals though and it seems like you need to have certain tools to be able to use Chidori effectively. 

Edited by Atheck, 15 April 2014 - 06:08 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I disagree for a few reasons.

-The Rasegan is actually an incomplete jutsu. The Rasen-Shurikan is actually the real jutsu and is massively more devastating. It is an S-Class too. Chidori may be able to pierce people, but the Rasen-Shurikan can cut them in half. In terms of damage, I am going to take the cutting people in half as more devastating

Chidori is also an incomplete jutsu on which is stated by Minato during Kakashi gaiden.
He goes full speed but leaves his body on a vulnerable state for counter-attack.
Also you're comparing Rasenshuriken to Rasengan, i think you should have compared Kirin with Rasenshuriken.
 

-The Chidori has a major flaw: You need a Sharigan to keep up and increase your reflexes due to it being easily dodgable. Even Minato says that the jutsu is sluggish and Kakashi was only really able to use it effectively after he got the Sharingan.

That's why he said chidori was incomplete, and is a great jutsu capable of changing it's form based on what the user wants, i never see Naruto changing the form of the rasengan to protect his body.
 

-In terms of versatility....that's a hard one because the chidori is a stand alone jutsu. Sure you can manipulate it, but it is stand alone. The Rasengan can be combined with any other element and maybe even jutsu. He can combine with any element like lava we can see in the next chapter, but also can combine it with the Amaterasu to create an even more devastating attack. So I say they are about even in versatility.

True that's the advantage of rasengan, Naruto is capable of adding elemental manipulation on it but it doesnt change the form of the attack until now it served to the same purpose, either gets close to the enemy and use it as a melee attack or throw it from a long range on it's shuriken form.
 

-Anyone can do a Rasengan. That is a beauty part of it. Anyone can use the Rasengan and you don't need hand signs. As long as you manipulate chakra, you can make a rasengan.
That's just my opinion.

Agree on this part, Rasengan can be done by anyone but still needs a lot of effort to be able to use it, i think Kakashi said he wasnt capable of using it well but i dont remember all the details.
In terms of learning Rasengan is better since Chidori requires that the user is lighting based chakra.
But i still pick Chidori because of what Sasuke managed to do with it, he did way better than what Naruto could do with his rasengan.
 

Also, stated by Kakashi, Chidori was made from his own attempt to complete the Rasengan, but he, like Minato, failed to complete it, therefore Chidori is, in my opinion, a cheap knockoff of Rasengan, therefore it is weaker.

Can you provide the panel where Kakashi says it, i must have missed.
I always thought the Chidori was a ripped off version of the Third Raikage Hellbringer which was way more devastating that Chidori and Raikiri and Naruto needed sage mode to be able to overcome that.

On the same way Rasengan is a ripped off version of bijuudama.

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Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 April 2014 - 07:05 PM.

[Nate River]

Not that simple. First of all, there is nothing left to asspull. At this point most powers they get ARE justified. We need to get our definitions straight.

On a different note, I seriously feel like the final battle will be evenly matched. Really, I think it'll be more of a battle of ideals/attitude than anything else.

And as far as the VotE fight goes, it most certainly was not that simple. At that point, they were evenly matched, then Naruto had the upper hand, then they were evenly matched again, then Sasuke slightly gained the upper hand because of his omnipresent plot armor. At the end, it all came down to how far they were prepared to go (especially Naruto). Sasuke didn't win because be was stronger; it's not that simple. If anything, the rasengan has been explicitly stated to be inherently superior to the Chidori over and over again, so there's that.

I agree.

The battle, really, is on two fronts. Physical and Philosophical. I don't think it's important whether or not Naruto wins the first, but Naruto is going to win the second.

[Gojira]

would you guys rather the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight happened right after the fight with Madara or take place in one more story arc?

[manbeast101]

@ Atheck

 

Kakashi said it around somewhere around the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc, when he was training Naruto to complete Rasengan, I don't remember the chapter.

 

Plus I think Rasengan is more powerful because of all the alterations, elemental or otherwise, it can undergo, not to mention the sheer damage all the swirling, condensed chakra unleashes at the impact site.

 

Also looking forward to the new chapter, and seeing Naruto whoop Madara with his new abilities!

Edited by manbeast101, 15 April 2014 - 09:40 PM.

[Nostradamus]

New spoiler for now :

[LadyGT]

why did they put that filter on?

 

Oh that Rinnegan thou.

Edited by LadyGT, 16 April 2014 - 04:28 AM.

[LivinG_Dead]

Woah..Sasuke has Rinnegan now.

[Hiraishin]

Sasuke's new eye... Just one haha. Isn't that how the Juubi's eye looks? And Kaguya's third eye.

That looks like Minato's kunai in Naruto's mouth, too. Hmm.

Edited by Hiraishin, 16 April 2014 - 04:31 AM.

[Nostradamus]

Surprised that Sasuke has rinnengan? It was bound to happen. Strange that's only in one eye.

[Havikinazuma]

Woah..Sasuke has Rinnegan now.

Also, it looks like your Av. just missing the outer tomoe. It looks like he has two sets of tomoe in his rinnegan.

[LadyGT]

Also, it looks like your Av. just missing the outer tomoe. It looks like he has two sets of tomoe in his rinnegan.

 

it's just the camera angle in this case.

[LivinG_Dead]

It can be the Juubi's eye/Kaguya's third eye, that is why he has only one.

[Havikinazuma]

 

it's just the camera angle in this case.

So you think it could be a full juubi eye?

[Havikinazuma]

It can be the Juubi's eye/Kaguya's third eye, that is why he has only one.

It could be the Juubi eye. Will it have the same abilities as the Rinnegan?

[LadyGT]

So you think it could be a full juubi eye?

 

it might become one, who knows, it's luckly. It's sasuke after all, he gets anything XD

[Havikinazuma]

 

it might become one, who knows, it's luckly. It's sasuke after all, he gets anything XD

Yeah, it always given. In fact, all Sasuke eye power ups were basically given. Part 1, he built all three tomoe in each eye with each fight he was in. Curse mark, was given by Orochimaru, and the third tomoe, and CM2 was both shown by the VotE fight with Naruto. Part 2, Itachi gave Sasuke MS by dying, and EMS with his eyes. A lot of Sasuke's power was given. The only thing I seen worked for was Chidori, which was made to different variations.

[Atheck]

Sasuke's heterochromatic eyes remind me of the time when Hinata had only one Byakugan active and Itachi after his vision became forever lost in one of his Mangekyou. This doujutsu is obviously of a different, probably stronger variety than Madara's run-of-the-mill Rinnegan.The question is how did he develop it. Both he and Madara are reincarnations of Indra meaning that they both would have had to sit through through Hagoromo's coronation of them as spiritual successors. Hashirama's essence resides in Madara via transplantation and Sasuke was given a jutsu that shares the last of his chakra. On the surface, there doesn't seem to be too many differences in their circumstances which makes it difficult to pinpoint a source for Sasuke's new design. The only other known person to have possessed that design is Kaguya with the eye she acquired after eating the fruit. 

 

Does Naruto's cloak seem different to anyone? It's like the dark patterning is encompassing more of the outfit now; or it could just be a misinterpretation of the camera angle.

 

Since when did Naruto become a practitioner of Minato's Space-Time ninjutsu? It seems like Kishi is leaving no stone unturned in the way of potential growth and inheritances. People developed theories based around the possibility of him acquiring Flying Thunder God, but to see him carrying the necessary tools for it in a manner similar to Minato seems so out of the blue. 

Edited by Atheck, 16 April 2014 - 05:04 AM.

[narusaku256]

Sasuke has the 3 tomoe sharingan and Juubi's eye. Wow! Thank god that MS of Sasuke dosen't exists(for now atleast)

[Gojira]

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