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#121 Atheck

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:15 PM

I'm interested to see what Kishi intends to have Sakura do now. 

 

With Naruto back on his feet and readying himself to take on Madara, what will Sakura be doing in the meantime? The only reason for her becoming mixed in with this exclusive fighting makeup is that Naruto needed someone to preserve his body before having his stolen bijuu replaced with the other half. Her obligation has been satisfied and now there's something of an occupational vacuum with her presence that'll be difficult to fill. 

 

Sakura's medical skills could be put to use by healing Kakashi and Gaara, but those jobs wouldn't take too much time. Does she simply take the back seat and play the role of the passive observer again? Sasuke and his group aren't far away and Tenten is bound to arrive soon as well. How many of them will sit this out? Karin is likely to do so but what about Suigetsu and Juugo? They should easily be able to recognise the danger that challenging Madara presents but their loyalty to Sasuke (the latter moreso than the former) might compel them to go forward anyway. Although there's a chance that Sasuke would tell them to refrain from joining in. 

 

Sidelining most of the two groups in order to feed even more spotlight to Naruto and Sasuke is a course of action that Kishi could easily take. If that's what the motive is then he might be better off having Sakura and Taka sent off to help against Spiral Zetsu (unless they chose to stay for healing). It would be a long-shot to say that Sakura might have overcome her panic around Madara in such a short amount of time and there's a possibility that Taka would be more trouble than they're worth.

 

Taking things into her own hands like she did in #631 would be amazing. Hoping for that would be one of the biggest anticipations of the fight, I think. Naruto and Sasuke certaintly don't strike quite as much interest with some fans like they used to. 


Edited by Atheck, 09 April 2014 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:18 PM

those aren't the sun and the moonn... those are simply the yin and yang rappresentations....

Those are the symbol of (spiral) sun and (cresent) moon.
Still those indeed represent yin yang.

Btw I always thought that the swirl in the uzumaki symbol represent the spiral of live(philosophy of uzumaki).

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I believe sakura will play a part in the downfall of madara whether it active or passive role. Since I believe madara will do a old trope of villain mistake.

Edited by rocci, 09 April 2014 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:21 PM

There is a moment, you have to take a step back and evaluate. Kishimoto did chapter 615, regardless of there being a war and Neji dying just a chapter before. Hinata is a secondary character and it may have been platonic, but what NH had is way more important and substantial then some character placement and some speech bubbles looking vaguely alike.

This was a disappointment and it is obvious Kishimoto tiptoed around NaruSaku it for some reason. Parallel panels aren't development and they could be there for the Sasuke and Naruto comparison, nothing more. They aren't necessarily pairing related, yet some of you think this is on equal measures with something with substance.

The handhold-transfer-chakra is not an idea by Naruto himself, it was a strategy thought up by Shikaku, the power meant for everybody, had Hinata not act the human shield and did the right thing by pushing Naruto away.

 

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:21 PM

There is one other thing, I that has struck my curisitoy, one part the future of the NS stuff, the other just what will Naruto do next.

 

The first part is as I said, despite no actual NS moment, save a simple sign of sakura smiling and sheding a tear, though minor thats satisfatory, the deal I said is just how will this impact her moving forward, any development made is development that still needs to go forward. I mean even Hinata will get more development and her confession will be addressed, but in the wider scale, the NS stuff, its just again, how does the stuff we saw from her lead to another event, I mean we all saw the support sakura has put on naruto just within the last 30-40 chapters, she hasn't even given sasuke a notice since distrusting him. Just the thing people need to remember, as we didn't get the moment we wanted, this doesn't render the past development null or void, it just leaves it unaddressed until the next thing in sequence comes as it needs. I mean the Kushina stuff was unaddressed until 631 came and that was a riot, Naruto's view on Sakura was still the same, him still loving her and not being angry. Sakura changed from the land of iron thats for sure as well, I mean what looked intially bad for NS, well that was development, Sakura learned about Narutos burden and thats why the speech of 630 came out to what it was. Now with Sakura wanting Naruto to be hokage, that moment from 663, not even based on pairings its like development wise, how could anyone suspect she would side with Sasuke to be hokage after an event like this? This is a logical conclusion we can make.

 

The other part is, well, what got me thinking is the stuff naruto said he would do when the war was over, so does anyone suspect we may get something to hope for after this fight ends or some victory scene occurs for Naruto and Sasuke? I mean until we see what Naruto and Sasuke told they would do to Hagomoro, this remains to be seen. Likewise, well Naruto just came into save Guy, there will no doubt be some exchange of words before they fight. Obito is still involved in this too, even though Madara wants that Eye, Obito is going to have a dark situation in the coming chapters I mean Madara will get the rinnegan, otherwise there wont be a major fight unless madara can just heal even his own fractured skull. Who knows, we may get a short dialouge of Naruto thanking both Obito and Sakura next chapter before he fights, I mean hell, things can go millions of ways. Its wishful thinking but hey, its possible we expected something one week and then suddenly we get something unexpected the following. So for now, really nothing has changed but it can anytime before naruto and sasuke go right into fight madara to when they beat him. Naruto and Sakura still have development in other areas as well, I mean NS wasn't going to be canon yet even if we did get a moment, but what we did get, its satisfactory that we got a positive reaction from Sakura, not the reaction we hoped for or the way it could have gone, but its a start. Maybe the scene we expected would be better suited for say, before the final fight with sasuke or after it. But Naruto and Sakura's relationship is far from done and still has a few things that will come up for it. So theres still granted stuff to come in the future. It will play out in time. NS still has a lot coming for it. Who knows, there may be another one sooner than we think, just gotta keep a postivie look because, anytime I see that "build up thread" I just remember, theres no way in hell this won't turn out to something, it will lead to something and all this development will end at a meaningful point. Its not to be just suddenly stopped or to be subbed for something else, it will become something in the end.

 

I mean yeah, we wished it was one way, but it became another, but theres still a lot that can happen, some we can see others we cannot. NS still has the lead so while we didn't gain anything, we didn't nessessarily lose anything either so this chapter you can say was a neutral event, but we got a small smile/tear from sakura so thats something, not a moment but yeah she is glad he is okay, guess its like 1/5th of what we were hoping for. But there will be other NS moments, they can be anywhere from before naruto fights if he needs to break into talk no jutsu (maybe if the stuff he said to the sage for after the war involved stuff with Sakura), after madara is beaten, before he fights sasuke, and after the final fight, around the series conclusion. Not likely to happen soon but theres always a good chance for a NS moment to come during the victory of the war, before fighting sasuke, and obviously the end of the series. Theres still a lot to come and NS is still ahead of the others, I mean in some ways, not seeing a moment we wanted just makes me hope the next NS scene is what we hoped we would have gotten today. That scene we envisioned, it should come in some form in the future when theres a better moment for it. In time NS will go further, but hey, just how much further does it need to go before its canon? I mean SS isnt going anywhere and NH is still got issues to contend with, mainly those such as 631 which put a huge dividing gap between it and NS with just that issue again, I still find it ironic that many think NS cannot happen despite the only hint of the kushina foreshadow continuing just happening to fall on sakura and many suspect NH would still come. 631 was the major dividing factor to me and many others and we say thats still the hardest thing NH would need to overcome to even merit a chance of canon at this point. NS is still good, it will get more in time.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:23 PM

oh, whatever...

 

anyhow... little kakashi was already an kitten even before the death of his father LOL


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:27 PM

Well...

I agree with you, even when we didn't get that long awaited NS scene it was something I was already expending to happen so no worries there, but the chapter itself was really good and I don't believe Naruto can revive people is more like he can restore their chakra.

 

 

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:31 PM

remember during gaara's saga in the first page? It was similar to this situation. Naruto did everythinf for saving Sakura but Kishi never showed her awakening and let her to know what Naruto did for her. Then Kishi made a flashback regarding when Sasuke said her what Naruto did for saving her.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:36 PM

I didn't expect a recovery scene at all so I'm not bummed out. But Naruto can revive people now? What is the purpose? I rather Gai die more than anything. I dislike where this is going but I'll wait and see cause at this point Naruto is a Mary-sue.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:38 PM

^^^
I agree, it will most likely address on naruto confenssion.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:39 PM

i think the mouth to mouth is special. kishi could have make sakura massage his heart and that's it, or use some ninjutsu mojo like kabuto, he's just healing sasuke using ninja magic, or like tsunade, who healed her then lover with mystical palm till he bled out. he didn't have to add the kiss of life if it is not significant, some ns fans i know are content enough with the kiss that they don't care what the pairing at the end is anymore.

Yeah! Why the CPR of all the methods! And most importantly why such a huge panel for it. If it was 'just' a CPR then, it would've gone with the flow of manga, just like one of the efforts. But no! The CPR did have meaning other than 'just' something medical.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:46 PM

usually in the manga shounen doing cpr is just a cliche for making implicity some couples.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:46 PM

If alliance doesn't beat spiral zetsu, than most likely sasuke is the one who will beat him. Then naruto will beat madara.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:59 PM

^^^
I agree, it will most likely address on naruto confenssion.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:07 PM

Can't say i'm all that surprised, I did think that we would get more than a 'Lets go' from Naruto, but I sort of understand they are in the middle of a battlefield and every second wasted could mean another life lost, I was expecting a 'Thank you at the very least', That said the way Mangastream translated it felt a big more Romantic, just be changing it from  'Let's Go' to 'Shall we' sounds so much better, one sounds like a order and the other I picture in the movies when the Male MC extends his arm and asks the female MC for a dance.

 

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I found it odd that Kishi thought to give another flashback when it became apparent that by switching to Sasuke and Naruto before the attack took placed, Naruto would somehow get to Gai before his heart completely stopped/ maybe this time it was just to fill in the pages...didn't think it was neccesary and felt forced, specially as it showed us in the previous flashback Gai was more serious at that point so his reaction made little sense.

 

I am interested to see that Naruto has the Sage Mode and Kurama Mode eyes in the last panel but lacks the colouring change around his eyes to indicate Sage Mode or the Cloak to indicate Bijuu Mode. Does that mean the powers both the modes gave him are now part of Naruto? He just used Kurama's ultra speed and Sage modes ability to fight against the black chakra balls, without showing any other sign of using their power other than the plus sign in his eye.

 

I am interested now to see what will happen next week, I am expecting to see a new Chakra coat next week, those things look too cool for Kishi not to give him one, plus merchandising, new coat means new charactor models to sell to fans.

 

I wonder though how long the war will last now, Madara will probably get a arse whooping then Black Zetsu will probably manage to get Madara's other eyes, we'll see Madara get a power-up, Naruto and Sasuke will combine to defeat him, and then the question arises, will the manga end or will Sasuke turn tails again and become the last boss and we see another long arc? The manga's been set-up for either route. Sasuke has gathered his team, we have Orichimaru vs Tsunade, Karin vs Sakura, Kakashi vs Kabuto, Water boy vs Sand boy, and beast boy vs can draws beasts boy...or Yamato if they ever decide to save him.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:16 PM

I didn't think too much about a reunion scene before this, but I was curious to see how it would be resolved.

 

However, I have never thought there would be an NS scene here (no matter how much I would like to see one). Although I think Sakura's tear in the panel is Kishimoto's one concession to them as the end pairing. Karin didn't get that, and the images are set up to be parallel.

 

My reasons for not expecting an NS scene are this (and actually it has a lot to do with Kishi keeping in line with NS as the final pairing): if he gave a romantic-y scene to NS, he would have to keep the balance and put something in for NH, to keep up the fan momentum until the end. SasuKarin has been shown as a pairing for convenience sake, but I don't see it as a parallel. But by skirting an NS reunion, then Kishimoto also gets a free pass from having to create an NH scene to keep the peace with that fanbase. And the forward momentum toward a grand NS reunion at the end doesn't get slowed down.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll get another true NS scene till the end. Maybe some independent scenes, maybe some hints, but nothing concrete. I just don't think the focus is going to be on shipping anymore. I'd like to be surprised, and Kishi does love to bury shipping moments in random chapters when no one's expecting it, but I just think from here on out it's going to be the Naruto-and-Sasuke-Show!

 

Loved the illustration on the last page of Naruto's eyes. Kishi has really delivered some nice illustrations of Naruto lately, and I'm looking forward to these final battles for some more great artwork from him.

 

On another note, I just added a pair of dual blades in "A Voice in the Wind" fanfic...and their names are Sun and Moon. *sigh* Now it looks like I knocked them off from this chapter! lol



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:25 PM

I didn't think too much about a reunion scene before this, but I was curious to see how it would be resolved.

 

However, I have never thought there would be an NS scene here (no matter how much I would like to see one). Although I think Sakura's tear in the panel is Kishimoto's one concession to them as the end pairing. Karin didn't get that, and the images are set up to be parallel.

 

My reasons for not expecting an NS scene are this (and actually it has a lot to do with Kishi keeping in line with NS as the final pairing): if he gave a romantic-y scene to NS, he would have to keep the balance and put something in for NH, to keep up the fan momentum until the end. SasuKarin has been shown as a pairing for convenience sake, but I don't see it as a parallel. But by skirting an NS reunion, then Kishimoto also gets a free pass from having to create an NH scene to keep the peace with that fanbase. And the forward momentum toward a grand NS reunion at the end doesn't get slowed down.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll get another true NS scene till the end. Maybe some independent scenes, maybe some hints, but nothing concrete. I just don't think the focus is going to be on shipping anymore. I'd like to be surprised, and Kishi does love to bury shipping moments in random chapters when no one's expecting it, but I just think from here on out it's going to be the Naruto-and-Sasuke-Show!

 

Loved the illustration on the last page of Naruto's eyes. Kishi has really delivered some nice illustrations of Naruto lately, and I'm looking forward to these final battles for some more great artwork from him.

 

On another note, I just added a pair of dual blades in "A Voice in the Wind" fanfic...and their names are Sun and Moon. *sigh* Now it looks like I knocked them off from this chapter! lol

 

It make me wonder how is kishi going to resolve the pairing issue if he keeps playing around with them without making one stand out the most. He keeps juggling between ns and nh and a little bit of sk mixed into it. This is the reason why i lost enthusiasm for any pairing even if i still like ns as a pairing the way how the canon manga has been portraying this pairing makes me feel indifferent about it and annoyed.  

 

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Edited by rikakim94, 09 April 2014 - 01:29 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:41 PM

Welp. Looks like Gai's not going to die after all.

 

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:56 PM

Well, I still have faith in NS, even if Kishi just missed a golden oppertunity to have the two pairings connect more.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 02:17 PM

Why does mangapanda say Sakumo is a helicopter father? is it a Japanese expression or did they mess up? :lol:

 

About the lack of NS, I don't really get the big deal. We were hoping for a sweet moment, not the ultimate NS foreshadowing, I think? I now see that what prevented this moment from happening was the fact that it's a shonen and they're in a middle of a battle. Shipping googles guys, but now that I think of it it wouldn't make sense to squeeze in a NS moment here. I admit...Naruto made an epic entrance and I wouldn't have changed it one bit. Now he's not in SM, are those eyes permanent or what? Hope not, honestly I think dojutsu users look a bit soulless sometimes..

 

Naruto's new power seems to be revival? I hope he won't overshadow Sakura and other medics' abilities! :sad: They worked so hard day and night, then he gets this for free, it hardly seems fair.

 

Chapter was a bit short with only 15pg, but mangakas barely have any freetime. I think it's the other series like OP that have long chapters, not Naruto that's short.

 

Can't wait til Sakura and Gaara comes back! I love them : D


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 02:25 PM

I tried to keep low expectations for this chapter, hoping it would be better than the last one, but I'm disappointed. I wasn't expecting a NaruSaku moment once Naruto woke up, but I was definitely hoping. I thought for sure Naruto and Obito would talk before Naruto left Kamui and we'd get perhaps a small moment for NS then, but no dice. Oh well.

 

Honestly though, it sounds like a lot of people are trying to make themselves feel better about the lack of NS interaction -- "Well, it wasn't the right moment," and "It makes sense because..." -- even though so many were absolutely sure Kishimoto wouldn't skip the NaruSaku recovery scene. It just feels like damage control. And then trying to find a consolation prize in a supposed NaruSaku/ SasuKarin parallel, just really?

Frankly I don't see it and neither do I care about any such parallel. I'm so done with parallels at this point, I don't care if it's Kishi's 'style', it's too much and becoming little more than a cheap shortcut that no longer has any meaning or substance. Parallels are not development. Yet so many seem to treat them as if they are. :confused:

 

Anyway, this chapter felt rather rushed. Gai was pretty cool, but Madara just looked like an idiot; why is he just standing there?! And there's no way he should have been damaged so easily with all the power he has, I don't care how strong Gai's taijutsu is. Then Naruto shows up and revives Gai, making his sacrifice lose all meaning that it may have had. Sigh.

I'm calling it now, Naruto's new ability allows him to revive people without any of the negative consequences of Rinne Tensei. I mean, why not? Death obviously doesn't mean a thing in this manga anymore.

 

I guess I should just end my rant here. :sweatdrop:


Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 09 April 2014 - 06:45 PM.





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