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[Nostradamus]

You are saying this at the wrong time. This is the 667 thread. What Karin is doing right now should be taken very seriously, but you can't because of her sexual thoughts 20 chapters ago. We've seen dirty thoughts from other characters, they even put them into action. Naruto's love for Sakura is nothing to joke of, even though he peeped at her in the hotsprings. Why treat Karin different? She has no reason to care about the war and she loves Sasuke despite what he's done.

Right time wrong time doesn't really matter. I'm sorry but I cannot take her seriously at all. Sasuke pierced her with chidori and then he was going to finish her off, he was going to murder her. And she still loves him, come on. Karin is a nutjob, I cannot take her seriously when even the writer doesn't.

[Nate River]

I don't think Sasuke's story will end with him behind the bars. I hope he somehow atones for his crimes, but if it ends with an epilogue like I believe, the timeskip will skip his years in prison. If he ever gets there of course.

I think the odds are nil for that. Naruto won't allow it. Ending the cycle of hate is a big theme. Facing the consequences (meaningfully) of your actions got flushed down the potty. Sasuke is going to be instrumental in defeating Madara and he made his about face now on purpose. If Kishimoto even brings it up (a big if) this will be the rational for why he won't end up in the slammer or in the gas chamber or booted never to return.

Besides, how much meaning will his redemption mean if he's stuck in prison, especially given what Obito and Nagato have been allowed to do.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Believe me, he will be allowed.
One way or another.
 
Sasuke might redeemed himself by doing something really good.
We'll see.

He can make cookies for everyone, made by Sharingan, since it can read the ingredients going through.

[Hiraishin]

I don't think Sasuke's story will end with him behind the bars. I hope he somehow atones for his crimes, but if it ends with an epilogue like I believe, the timeskip will skip his years in prison. If he ever gets there of course.
You are saying this at the wrong time. This is the 667 thread. What Karin is doing right now should be taken very seriously, but you can't because of her sexual thoughts 20 chapters ago. We've seen dirty thoughts from other characters, they even put them into action. Naruto's love for Sakura is nothing to joke of, even though he peeped at her in the hotsprings. Why treat Karin different? She has no reason to care about the war and she loves Sasuke despite what he's done.
 
NS4life; yes, that's how it is!!

That's not the same...

she has reason to care about the war because if they lose the entire world will be put under an eternal genjutsu.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

This chapter, I've got to say I didn't really like it. Kabuto is back (no surprise there) and as creepy as ever, and a 'good guy' now, I guess. I don't know, I just have a really hard time taking redemption seriously when it comes to Orochimaru or Kabuto. It just feels so contrived. The chapter was full of explanations; why Karin couldn't recognize Kabuto, how Kabuto escaped Itachi's jutsu, the reason Minato was never shown using senjutsu before, so on and so forth. It was one of those chapters that ends without providing any real progression and it felt underwhelming to say the least.

 

Why did Kishi even bring Sakura along? This entire thing feels like a somewhat missed opportunity
"Oh no he's gonna die! Oh wait never mind"

Kishi's been hinting at NaruSaku left and right but it sucks that when Naruto is in his most dire situation there's no hint in Sakura's mind that she actually cares about him more than a friend

 

Honestly, I think the only missed opportunities are in the shippers' minds. I know I'm one to talk, but try not to focus on the negative too much. Remember that this is a shounen and Kishi's not contructing everything that happens around the romance subplot or NaruSaku. Pairing fans often make moments or interactions between two character out to mean more than they're intended to, and get caught up in the idea of 'missed opportunities' because things didn't go as they expected them to.

 

Why do Sakura's actions mean less just because she didn't break down in a blubbering mess and proclaim her love as Naruto lies dying? I don't know about anyone else, but I really wouldn't have wanted things to go that way.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 05 March 2014 - 07:41 PM.

[Inferno180]

Guess it is good in a sense kishi wrapped up Sasuke's recovery quickly I mean after all the business with yin kurama nearly lost to black zetsu, in hindsight, even karin with orochimaru could have healed sasuke if it had to occur, I mean tsunade was in worse shape being cut in half from madara and she literally was able to pull herself back together from help with karin and sugestsu.

 

Well its obvious Sasuke is getting the rinnegan, I mean it was capable for those to envision him getting the power and the wood style considering many references to the he is like another madara in the making have come up time and time again.

 

Now that a new rinnegan will be generated how will madara act upon this? I mean will he attempt to take sasuke's eyes after his awaken?

 

So its good that the business on healing the heroes is about done, maybe both get a short moment with their once advasary now rescuer.

 

On The Sasuke side with Kabuto, I could actually see Kabuto defending Sasuke from Orochimaru when the time comes since the Itachi event.

 

On Naruto's end, theres a lot more considering its involved with obito and i still find it funny how in all this, Sakura is still there for a possible NS moment and/or Sakura-rin potential parallel notion.

 

On one side of things though I did find something funny in the naruto saving side event, when involving Naruto, Sakura, and Gaara, all had their lives threatend in this trio and all needed saving at one point:

 

Sakura was nearly killed by Gaara but Naruto saved her

 

Gaara was killed but attempted rescue by both naruto and sakura and sakura attempted to heal him (though chiyo made things better in the end)

 

Now most recently naruto was near death with Gaara and Sakura acting to save him (though many more came to save him its funny in this situation both sakura and gaara who were once enemies ended up being the starters to the event for saving naruto).

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Excuse me but I think that some of you are too obsessed with pessimism. Now it isn't that if you don't see Naruto and Sakura this means also Kishimoto will make awakening Naruto off-panel (the same for Sasuke's part). Kishimoto is so predictable that in the end he did reveal that the mysterious barefoot man was nothing but Kabuto. Among other things, it's curious that Kishi have used here also a kinda sort of symbolism. Those who had challegend Naruto and Sasuke and especially started this ninja world war that is going throw it in despare, are respectively saving them (Naruto-Obito) and (Sasuke-Kabuto).


You can also notice a kinda similarity between them. Obito is practically a Naruto that, instead of taking a straigh path, took some rugged and difficult shortcuts.  Kabuto is like Sasuke, in some way... He, like Sasuke, lost the place that he considered as "home" (the orphanage), which is no other way to imply "a family". Just like Sasuke who has lost his family and his home (Konoha and the Uchiha clan) in order to chase a figure that has manipulated him all over the years (Itachi like Orochimaru did to Kabuto). Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Sasuke has become a good one but he's no loger the boy that has been used to be manipulated by others, but a one guy that is capable to understand and act by himself, wichi makes him even more dangerous than before. In addition, this was the last chapter of volume 69, I'm pretty sure that Kishimoto will devote an entire volume to the awakening of Naruto and Sasuke, in order to symbolize the yin&yang.

Just as it was so obvious that the mysterious barefoot man was Kabuto, now it becomes even more obvious that the mysterious old man that Naruto has met, mentioned in the recent preview from WSJ, is nothing more that Rikudou Sennin himself. Why? Because Naruto now has a bit of Ichibi's chakra (which he missed) then he's in possession of all the chakra of the 9 bijuus. Just as it's obvious that Sasuke will awaken the rinnegan, as stated before by dark... He has got Hashirama's cells and, from old madara's words, the rinnegan can be awarkened only after you had been really close to death.

 
Plus if we look at the page of the parallel between Obito and Kabuto.

Kabuto

What Kabuto says "Now I know who I am, and what I have to do!" mirrors Obito's line of "I've never been able walk straight, but finallly, I came here." in terms of their personal conflicts in growth.  We can infer when Kabuto was saying this, Obito was saying his line, so this is really before the attempted transfer.  Also, meaning that this took place right as Gai showed up, further proved by Gai's confrontation with Madara being after this.  It's a strange shift backwards in time. to explain what was going on with Sasuke while we've been focusing on Naruto's condition and Madara's appearence.
 
I beleve the next's volume well primarily focus on Madara becoming "complete".  We know for sure at least that he'll get the remaining Rinnegan.  That goes without saying.  However, it makes Obito, Naruto and Sakura's situation all the more complicated.  It doesn't help that they are in the other world.  If Obito succeeds, he will die from the chain that will come from extracting Yin Kurama.  Not only are Naruto and Sakura most likely stranded if that happens (he may have enough strength for one last Kamui, but it's debateable), but using the last of his strength he'll destroy the left Rinnegan, so Madara woon't have it.  However, we know that won't happen because Madara will ineveitably get it.  I truly wonder how events will continue.

 

I have to agree that it was really obvious it was Kabuto.  I've seen others mention well before this chapter that it was because of the mix of different DNA that Karin couldn't recognize him.  Also, the bad feeling she got was because some of Orocimaru's chakra is still in him after all.  It goes along with the concept that a chakra never truly vanishes, but diminshes in size.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 05 March 2014 - 07:44 PM.

[Rozette]

I know that the raws are probably not out yet, but I wanted some insight on this. 

 

In MangaPanda's translation, after Guy asks Lee where Tenten is, Lee responds "She told me to go ahead because she wanted to check something.."

However, in MangaStream's translation, Lee responds "I wanted to check on things, so I went ahead first..."

 

Does anyone have any idea which it is?

[TouKen4Life3g]

^^Not sure.

You know, if I were Obito or Kabuto, I'll probably be thinking, "I should have never mess around my body." Well, especially Kabuto.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 March 2014 - 07:46 PM.

[六道仙人]

that's true... the translations are so different between MP and MH this week. Since MP has proved to be more accurate to original in the past, I tend to say that MP is the right one. But the raw isn't available yet until this friday...

[Rozette]

that's true... the translations are so different between MP and MH this week. Since MP has proved to be more accurate to original in the past, I tend to say that MP is the right one. But the raw isn't available yet until this friday...

 

Ah, I see.. when the raw does come out, would you mind letting us know which translation is correct, please? It would be much appreciated.   Apologies for asking so far in advance.

[TouKen4Life3g]

What I want to know is if Sasuke does get Rinnegan, will he get it once he wakes up or something needs to trigger it? This part isn't clear yet but if the former, I could imagine a shocking face from all and probably Orochimaru being more "pleased" to see Sasuke with those eyes.

Also, I still wonder if those eyes are permanent. Going to be odd to see Sasuke 24/7 Rinnengan.

[James S Cassidy]

Excuse me but I think that some of you are too obsessed with pessimism. Now it isn't that if you don't see Naruto and Sakura this means also Kishimoto will make awakening Naruto off-panel (the same for Sasuke's part). Kishimoto is so predictable that in the end he did reveal that the mysterious barefoot man was nothing but Kabuto. Among other things, it's curious that Kishi have used here also a kinda sort of symbolism. Those who had challegend Naruto and Sasuke and especially started this ninja world war that is going throw it in despare, are respectively saving them (Naruto-Obito) and (Sasuke-Kabuto).


You can also notice a kinda similarity between them. Obito is practically a Naruto that, instead of taking a straigh path, took some rugged and difficult shortcuts.  Kabuto is like Sasuke, in some way... He, like Sasuke, lost the place that he considered as "home" (the orphanage), which is no other way to imply "a family". Just like Sasuke who has lost his family and his home (Konoha and the Uchiha clan) in order to chase a figure that has manipulated him all over the years (Itachi like Orochimaru did to Kabuto). Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Sasuke has become a good one but he's no loger the boy that has been used to be manipulated by others, but a one guy that is capable to understand and act by himself, wichi makes him even more dangerous than before. In addition, this was the last chapter of volume 69, I'm pretty sure that Kishimoto will devote an entire volume to the awakening of Naruto and Sasuke, in order to symbolize the yin&yang.

Just as it was so obvious that the mysterious barefoot man was Kabuto, now it becomes even more obvious that the mysterious old man that Naruto has met, mentioned in the recent preview from WSJ, is nothing more that Rikudou Sennin himself. Why? Because Naruto now has a bit of Ichibi's chakra (which he missed) then he's in possession of all the chakra of the 9 bijuus. Just as it's obvious that Sasuke will awaken the rinnegan, as stated before by dark... He has got Hashirama's cells and, from old madara's words, the rinnegan can be awarkened only after you had been really close to death.

I agree with all of this, but two things I have to add.

1. Unlike Naruto to Obito, Sasuke never inspired Kabuto to be good or to change. It was all Itachi. Itachi who sacrificed everything for Sasuke and still continues to do stuff for him to this day. Itachi who if he hadn't changed Kabuto probably wouldn't even be alive right now.

2. While there is a chance for Sasuke to gain the Rinnegan, and probably from a story stand point he will, just getting Hashirama's cells or something doesn't necessary mean he will unlock them. Hell, Obito was saved from death by Madara and brought back to life using Hashirama's cells, but he never unlocked the Rinnegan. However, chances are he will get them which really sucks because Sasuke is just that lucky to have such plot advancement and given to him so easily.

Not only that, but watch as Sasuke also gains the ability to use wood techniques AND use Senjutsu without having any training at all and yet be a complete master of both techniques.

This is always going to be the difference between Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto was the long hard path...and Sasuke's was the easy path where everything is just handed to him and he gains near infinite power for nothing. Never has to struggle for that power on any level and just gets it.

Why do people think Sasuke is so great again?

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Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 March 2014 - 09:27 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Senjutsu isn't included though. Madara has it because Hashirama has it so he literally fuse it with him. Sasuke won't get that perk. But anyway, we'll see how it goes down.

Funny that you brought up Itachi. Sasuke is not warrant for talk no jutsu.

[James S Cassidy]

Senjutsu isn't included though. Madara has it because Hashirama has it so he literally fuse it with him. Sasuke won't get that perk. But anyway, we'll see how it goes down.

Funny that you brought up Itachi. Sasuke is not warrant for talk no jutsu.

But he will have to get it too to do any damage against Madara. Remember, only sage mode chakra can damage Madara now and the Rinnegan alone is not Sage mode. We also have the jutsu or whatever that Hashirama gave Sasuke. So again there is the Sage mode Hashirama uses given to Sasuke freely.

I mean, if Kishi is just going to give Sasuke the Rinnegan anyway, why not?
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 March 2014 - 09:36 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

But he will have to get it too to do any damage against Madara. Remember, only sage mode chakra can damage Madara now and the Rinnegan alone is not Sage mode. We also have the jutsu or whatever that Hashirama gave Sasuke remember? So again there is the Sage mode Hashirama uses given to Sasuke freely.

He only has one shot out of it though. I don't know but maybe he get something else for sage mode requirement. That or he better start doing all day taijutsu. Hm, does sword counts?

[James S Cassidy]

He only has one shot out of it though. I don't know but maybe he get something else for sage mode requirement. That or he better start doing all day taijutsu. Hm, does sword counts?

I don't think Sasuke is fast enough though. I mean, he just got owned by a less powerful Madara before he absorbed the tailed beast and even then he was fast enough to stop Tobirama. How can Sasuke compete with the speed he has now if Minato, the fastest ninja to have ever lived, was countered by him?

Oh yeah forgot...his ultimate technique. Asspull-no-jutsu.

Hell, since it is Sage Kabuto giving power, maybe Sasuke gains Dragon Sage.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 March 2014 - 09:42 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

But he will have to get it too to do any damage against Madara. Remember, only sage mode chakra can damage Madara now and the Rinnegan alone is not Sage mode. We also have the jutsu or whatever that Hashirama gave Sasuke. So again there is the Sage mode Hashirama uses given to Sasuke freely.

I mean, if Kishi is just going to give Sasuke the Rinnegan anyway, why not?
 

 

I still say he didn't accept that jutsu.  He wouldn't of ended up in this state in the first place if he did.

 

That's if Madara won't absorb the senjutsu with the Rinnegan.  Taijutsu is really the best option.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, what can Sasuke do with Rinnengan at that moment? I guess he can power up his already techniques, though I feel like he should learn more insight later on. But anyway back to this, well I'll wait and see how it all plays out. Not saying yours is far fetched because with him, it's not. I'm just waiting to see how it all plays out.

[James S Cassidy]

 

I still say he didn't accept that jutsu.  He wouldn't of ended up in this state in the first place if he did.

 

That's if Madara won't absorb the senjutsu with the Rinnegan.  Taijutsu is really the best option.

Like I said, Sasuke lacks the speed. If Minato isn't fast enough, what chance does Sasuke have? Taijutsu is useless if you can't hit your target.