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[harry4e]

OK so not exactly surprised by what happened, we knew Obito would be redeeming himself somehow, though i'm sure that it's not going to go as well as he hopes, Madara is too superpowered. I'm guessing, he'll steal Kurama's other half and give NAruto both halfs and then fail, and maybe even manage to revive everyone...which would actually be a shame but I guess this is a Shounen Manga.

 

So did anyone else find it funny that here was Madara talking about how the Sage wanted to use the Bijuu's chakra so people would understand each other, yet there was Naruto who had managed to achieve exactly what he was hoping to do, when he linked his chakra with everyone else on the battlefield?  Well we now know why Naruto's seal changes when he goes into True Kurama mode, it is basically what is shown here Though it appears neither Obito or Madara have that seal on them, wonder if there is a reason for that.

 

WTF: Minato could use Sage mode as well? Then why the heck did he not use it during his battle with Kurama or his battle against Obito both times? Does Kishi really need to give the Minato haters more fuel to bash him? Oh look Minato is a Toad Sage but didn't use it's power to save his family. Ofcourse the fact he's armless now will probably give them plenty of fuel. Note to Naruto, find a way to deploy regular Rasengan without getting your hand in harms way, you could end up losing it.

[tricksie]

All that Madara is nothing, you are Madara, etc. etc. speech really blows holes in Hashirama's flashback/parallel/redemption thing. Madara has just taken all his personal history and dumped it overboard, letting Obito pick through the scraps, all the while telling Obito he's nothing for not accepting who he is. Meanwhile we have Kabuto possibly waiting in the wings, poster child for not accepting who you are. 

 

This universe doesn't need ninjas. It needs crisis counselors.

 

Naruto doesn't need to channel the So6P or harness the bijuu — he just needs to stage a villain intervention. Then everyone can go home.

[Jake]

Because the focus wasn't on the sealing jutsu at that time, but on the BZ that just stolen Yin Kurama.
The example with Juuho Soshiken from Hinata is not accurate to compare with the sealing tech, because we already saw a sealing tech often. We're used to it. Juuho Soshiken was a power up for Hinata, so yes he defined it.
Also, maybe the sealing tech wasn't finished on Minato's side.
The BZ just took it we don't really know if the Yin Kurama have been sealed in BZ. Although, it's kind of implied IMO.

 

But Hinata's Jutsu wasn't the point of the scene, her confession was the point so even if BZ taking Yin Kurama was the point that doesn't mean Kishi couldn't give a Name to the "Jutsu" he used.

 

I think there is far too much emphasis on it know to revive Naruto with another option. IMO, this chapter just proved that Naruto will be revived with Yin Kurama.
 

Ok so it could be possible for Obito as well to seal Yin Kurama inside Naruto...

Wait.

He did not seal the Juubi within himself, it wasn't a seal.
He took it inside himself no ?
He absorbed it.

I remember something like that.
I will verify.

http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/638/5

Well, he has absorbed it.
We're not sure at all if it's a sealing tech.
And it's quite questioning how he was able to just take the Juubi inside him by the way...........
We saw him doing some hand sign, and that's all.
Very convenient IMO.

At least it was the first time we got to see someone making himself into a jinchuuriki.
Maybe sealing tech is not necessary to do that.

 

If that wasn't a Sealing Jutsu that Obito used than that furthers my point that an actual Sealing Jutsu isn't needed and Yin Kurama could just be transferred to Naruto no jutsu needed.

[pharix]

might be a bit of a stretch but Sakura keeping Naruto alive could be another "Sannin pupil surpassing their master" thing: http://www.mangapand...hapter-160.html

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Not really much to say about this chapter. It felt like a rehashing of a lot of things, it wasn't bad just nothing really new. Obito turning against Madara wasn't unexpected, people have been predicting that for such a long time that there was no surprise factor. It was pretty much a given and now Obito's redemption is nearly complete.

 

Am I the only one that was completely suprised by Minato being able to do senjutsu??? Seems like Kishi pulled that out of thin air...

 

No, you are not the only one. I've seen a lot of possible explanations here to justify it, but none of them really work for me. It was still out of nowhere and a contrived power up that didn't even do any good anyway and was ultimately pointless. People call Sakura a 'Tsunade clone', but apparently Naruto is just a Minato clone, nothing he has is unique to him. Before, Naruto was touted as the first to master senjutsu, but now that is proven false. Maybe I'm the only one, but I can't help but feel it diminishes Naruto's accomplishments -- everything he can do, so can his father, the person he was supposed to have "surpassed".

[T XD]

I think Minato will definitely need help now to do sealing, and now the only two people who will help in that are Sakura and Obito. Obito is already doing the help in this chapter and the next one probably to Naruto indirectly. Sakura will be of help while he's doing the sealing. But, it's possible that Sakura will help in another thing, not the sealing. And, yeah, Sakura and Rin were hinted in this chapter.

 

From this chapter, I got that Sakura will do something important too later with this situation. She has been focused some times by panels especially being after the ones of Obito. By that, I think it's either for the canon OR parallel, or for the canon Sakura and Rin parallel, or she can have some role that is related to Madara. By the way, Sakura isn't safe. Anything she does can have Madara attacking her. But, if she'll be decided by Kishi to keep Naruto alive all the way till he's rescued, then she won't be moved from beside him nor Madara will attack her.

 

Once Obito will be free from Black Zetsu, Kakashi, Gaara and Minato will attack. Something lost will have the giving opportunity to the other party to get a step forward.

Edited by T XD, 19 February 2014 - 05:28 PM.

[Atheck]

No, you are not the only one. I've seen a lot of possible explanations here to justify it, but none of them really work for me. It was still out of nowhere and a contrived power up that didn't even do any good anyway and was ultimately pointless. People call Sakura a 'Tsunade clone', but apparently Naruto is just a Minato clone, nothing he has is unique to him. Before, Naruto was touted as the first to master senjutsu, but now that is proven false. Maybe I'm the only one, but I can't help but feel it diminishes Naruto's accomplishments -- everything he can do, so can his father, the person he was supposed to have "surpassed".

 

Despite recent events having sealed quite a bit of the wedge that existed between father and son, Naruto still retains the distinction of having infused his Rasengan with an element (something which even Minato failed to accomplish), diversifying its uses with many different variants, and having the biological advantages offered to him by his Uzumaki heritage.The differences aren't too great now though. You can condense them down to just a single powerful technique, frequent clone usage, different types of Rasengan, a deficiency of Space-Time fuinjutsu, and being hereditarily superior (as a direct descendant of Hagoromo). But there's still enough uniqueness in their respective fighting styles to tell them part unlike Sakura who literally received all of her techniques, her style of combat, and even her mentality from Tsunade. 

 

Still, this does put a damper on Naruto's accession as the strongest when his father continues to unveil one power after another that can potentially match what he's strived to achieve since the manga began. To be able to regain the initiative and widen the gap, Naruto pretty much needs 100% Kurama now (retrieving Yang Kurama is going to be difficult though).

Edited by Atheck, 19 February 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[Rakshasa]

o my, Obito, I just want to hug u so much right now    Obito for Hokage! wait, we still have (?) Naruto. why there can`t be 2 of them, heh 

 

and wow.. it`s a lil bit strange to say that, but.. Sakura`s face expressions are soo beautiful even when she`s on the edge 

 

P.S. Madara, get lost. go home and get yourself a life already =\

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why nobody thinks using their feet to do seals? I'm just saying...

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Despite recent events having sealed quite a bit of the wedge that existed between father and son, Naruto still retains the distinction of having infused his Rasengan with an element (something which even Minato failed to accomplish), diversifying its uses with many different variants, and having the biological advantages offered to him by his Uzumaki heritage.The differences aren't too great now though. You can condense them down to just a single powerful technique, frequent clone usage, different types of Rasengan, a deficiency of Space-Time fuinjutsu, and being hereditarily superior (as a direct descendant of Hagoromo). But there's still enough uniqueness in their respective fighting styles to tell them part unlike Sakura who literally received all of her techniques, her style of combat, and even her mentality from Tsunade. 

 

Still, this does put a damper on Naruto's accession as the strongest when his father continues to unveil one power after another that can potentially match what he's strived to achieve since the manga began. To be able to regain the initiative and widen the gap, Naruto pretty much needs 100% Kurama now (retrieving Yang Kurama is going to be difficult though).

 

That's true, I had forgotten about Naruto combining his rasengan with his wind chakra. There are still some differences in Naruto and Minato's techniques, but Kishimoto has definitely closed the gap quite a lot since Minato appeared on the battlefield, and that is where my complaint lies. I can't necessarily disagree about Sakura, the limited relevance of medical ninjutsu and the range of its use as a whole hasn't done her any favors in being able to stand out from Tsunade. I would like to still think there is a possibility of Sakura gaining a technique that she could truly call her own, but I don't want to get my hopes up too much.

[Hanabi]

lolllll so yamanaka clan is the only good ones using chakra correctly. 

go sage ino! 

[Shadow1275]

Bit disappointed with this chapter to be honest.

 

A. No answers to any previous questions

 

B. Kakashi gets wrecked by a rasengan

 

C. Most important however is the fact that Obito is still alive. I mean isn't the resurrection technique supposed to come at the cost of the life of the user? And when did Minato master Sage mode exactly?

 

The two bright spots of the chapter have to be Madara's pure Bad***erry and seeing Sakura. Other than that I was overall disappointed to say the least. Hopefully next week's chapter is much better.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wonder if there's a reverse to the move where you can just regenerate the missing parts of Edo. I mean Obito is face now, so I wonder.

[Hiraishin]

Bit disappointed with this chapter to be honest.
 
A. No answers to any previous questions
 
B. Kakashi gets wrecked by a rasengan
 
C. Most important however is the fact that Obito is still alive. I mean isn't the resurrection technique supposed to come at the cost of the life of the user? And when did Minato master Sage mode exactly?
 
The two bright spots of the chapter have to be Madara's pure Bad***erry and seeing Sakura. Other than that I was overall disappointed to say the least. Hopefully next week's chapter is much better.

Obito is still alive because of the vitality of the Gedo Mazo.

[Rozette]

Obito is still alive because of the vitality of the Gedo Mazo.

 

Wasn't the Gedo Mazo extracted from Obito? I believe it's in Madara now, as that is how he absorbed all of the Tailed Beasts. 

 

I think that Obito is still alive because Black Zetsu is attached to him.

Edited by Gamakushii, 19 February 2014 - 07:41 PM.

[Hiraishin]

Oh yeah, I think you're right. I was thinking about before it was extracted.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Wasn't the Gedo Mazo extracted from Obito? I believe it's in Madara now, as that is how he absorbed all of the Tailed Beasts. 
 
I think that Obito is still alive because Black Zetsu is attached to him.

He was supposed to die already but Zetsu needed that eye and others wouldn't let him. So in the end, it came bite the dust.

[Atheck]

Apparently there's been some speculation that Kakashi might have finally lost the vision in his Sharingan. One of the panels from the recent chapter depicts his eye without their usual three tomoe.

 

There's been efforts to discount this - that it's just an artistic error and that Kakashi's Sharingan hasn't actually burned out. The fact that Obito's Sharingan is seen active in later panels, with its Mangekyou design no less, implies that both eyes are still usable. It stands to reason that for a pair eyes that are visually and mentally linked with one another, if one of the eyes were to lose function, the other would too.

 

So there's a strong possibility that Kishi just had a visual lapse. But I thought it'd be worth mentioning since it does bring up an interesting scenario where Kakashi has to adapt to his shinobi role without the doujutsu that has carried him through most of his career. 

[Inferno180]

With everything that happened this chapter its an interesting aspect that can go both ways, now that obito is standing, he is the only one who can really impede the efforts of madara. Will he stand or fall down instantly next chapter? Its funny how his sharigan is strong enough to hold even zetsu against his own will. Well it makes sense to have zetsu on him because zetsu is the only thing keeping him alive.

 

So for anything else that can come next, the prospect of naruto's recovery is likely still on Yin kurama, given if something either weakens madara a bit, seals him, or obito manages to pass yin kurama to the others, then naruto is saved, otherwise its a tug of war next chapter. We could assume Obito can put up a small fight but not enough to face madara himself, thats what naruto and sasuke are to do. I know some people have thought the fruit is still out there, it may be but nothing until otherwise seen or hinted at least. I know some people have compared sakura to kaguya, but i really always expected kushina to be closer in this aspect like how many are going on with the same ideal linkup between naruto and the sage. As for Sakura, well yes its true the final panel of the notion the promise obito mentions could be brought up, I mean it was the unexpected small thing this chapter I will say. We knew something about Obito's last act or redeeming himself but not how he would do it, what would he do, or what would he say. I do find it satisfying that zetsu was going ha ha last chapter, now he is stuck in the place he doesn't want to be.

 

For Naruto's recovery though, its more towards the yin kurama retrevial situaiton, but if the pots are still a factor then its either kishi could show more drama (obito gets knocked down, loses yin kurama but still does somehting to succeed then perhaps the brothers event is still possible), if the pots are empty then maybe its sealing madara temporary or at least weaken him to the point he is sealable and his power suppressed (i can live with the latter, long as we have a good actual battle unlike bleach with anticlimatic aizen espcially considering madara just dropped the tools). Otherwise if it was for humor then kishi was bored and wanted to bash gai and lee on the head for no good reason other then saying this is how those 2 minor characters (samui and her brother) come back. Likewise not really happy on minato's luck, I mean its been bad, but i wonder if the strike was permanent or just long temporary. Really I am leaning more on this being the start of the recovery, I doubt kishi would give madara another quick he wins no matter what chapter unless he knocks obito over quickly, really i just see obito being the frontrunner of this fight to weaken madara a bit so naruto and sasuke recover in time to prevent the eye of the moon plan. Basically a last second save and then they fight. Considering the curious event of Sakura hearing Obito mention that promise to rin, it does lead to some potential and curious interaction, if anything if its supposed to be about naruto surviving, it could be that next chapter or so theres a chance of a naruto/sakura-obito/rin link but in this case, obito stating how naruto will succeed, basically for all this talk of roads, obito having come to his realization and pulled his own darth vader event, basically in regards to the sakura stuff, my best estimate is something about how naruto told me about his road, my road was different, but i can at least cross ahead into his and reopen it for him, by ending my road, i will allow naruto to continue down his and people like you (referring to Sakura, Gaara, Kakashi, etc) that are to help ensure he moves forward and help him if he falls as he leads them. Thats the best guess I can give. But I think its safe to say the sakura sacrifice stuff is ending, its more likely Yin Kurama will get to Naruto and Obito will sacrifice himself so naruto can continue, I hope I was at least right about obito sacificing himself for naruto because after seeing this chapter and the curious end stuff with the promise he mentioned, it is fully appropriate now. I just want to see how this fans out I mean madara is still a god and obito is more like a fallen severly weaknend demi-god so obito most likely won't last long, but if the wound was enough to stop madara for a bit, thats fine by me, hell if obito took out the senitient clone of hashirama, giving that clones face a good punch in like master chief did to a flood assimulated captain keyes (you who played the game know what I mean) then that would be neat, take away his sage power or at least healing, he is no longer OP.

[MoonStar]

I can't lie. Sakura looked pretty hot on that last page.