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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

 

 

*rubs hands together*

This is the moment of truth for me....Let's see if my weeks and weeks of predicting a NS moment in chapter 660 will come to pass. (Granted we agreed that if it happens in 661, it still counts) So close. So very close.

 

Madara is a weird one isn't he. Why is he so special? He is like no ordinary anything in this manga. This is why I feel sorry for Obito. Yeah he did some horrible things, but Madara was and always will be the mastermind behind it all. He is manipulative, he is a careful planner, he is sometimes over zealous, but at the same time he always has a way out of he over exerts. He is practically perfect in almost every way and no matter what he always gets more powerful.

I first admitted I hated his OPness and his haxxor ways, but maybe that is what is interesting about him now. The fact that he is waaay too good to be true. That also might be his weakness in itself. What happens when he faces a problem he cannot deal with? Not like he hasn't before like facing up against Hashirama and lost.

Obito is fighting off the black zetsu clone and still retains consciousness. I think he will be the one to take out Madara. I don't know I have a feeling obito's end will be that of Darth Vadar.

 

I'll be honest with you, no matter how likeable this scene is for NS or whatever i fail to see how this makes it canon or even becomes a strong hint why it will be canon, i think Kishi already proved that she cares too much about Naruto already, her seeing Naruto in danger or even in verge of dying would not make her "realize" she's in love with Naruto since she's currently on a conflict about her feelings for Sasuke in fact i'm waiting for a moment where she drops her love for Sasuke or makes a decision about.

Making her realize she's in love with Naruto because he's in danger or on the verge of dying does not make sense with the development she received on the arc and the conflict she's going though, it's more reasonable for her to decide that she deserves someome better than Sasuke and move on than resolving the whole NS drama and her conflicts about Sasuke with a cheap scene.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 December 2013 - 01:33 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I'll be honest with you, no matter how likeable this scene is for NS or whatever i fail to see how this makes it canon or even becomes a strong hint why it will be canon, i think Kishi already proved that she cares too much about Naruto already, her seeing Naruto in danger or even in verge of dying would not make her "realize" she's in love with Naruto since she's currently on a conflict about her feelings for Sasuke in fact i'm waiting for a moment where she drops her love for Sasuke or makes a decision about.

Making her realize she's in love with Naruto because he's in danger or on the verge of dying does not make sense with the development she received on the arc and the conflict she's going though, it's more reasonable for her to decide that she deserves someome better than Sasuke and move on than resolving the whole NS drama and her conflicts about Sasuke with a cheap scene.

 

I am going to stop reading right there and just say that "Hinata fans say this a lot." (I say Hinata fans because there are not a lot of true "NaruHina" fans out there. Yeah, Hinata fans also want NH to happen, but not for the same reasons. Rather than thinking that NH would make a good couple, they just think that Hinata should get what she wants and if she doesn't get it, Naruto is a horrible human being and he should die.)

 

First off, I want to be perfectly clear that I did not say nor imply that this would be the "defining moment that makes NS canon." I just said it would be an NS moment. I wish it could be a defining moment for NS and put an end to the pairing wars, but I have a funny feeling that whether it is or not, the pairings wars will still keep going. So what do you really consider a "defining" moment?

Second, anything is possible at this point. I bring up my point about 631 and how many doubted me when I said that Minato would compare Sakura to Kushina. Guess who got the last laugh? I was the first to predict it too.

 

As well, I already consider NS canon. The fact that Naruto still retains his feelings for Sakura despite everything; the fact that Sakura is the only one to show anything that even remotely shows any changing feelings, and how Sasuke still doesn't "see" Sakura at all is a very good sign that NS is the canon. This is all combined with the fact that Kishimoto said the manga was almost done. Well, if the manga is almost done and NH still has shown any progress despite all that has happened by now, then it is never going to happen.

I'm sorry, but I can't live this lie anymore saying "Well, it is a possibility." Yeah there is a possibility, but it so astronomically small by now that the only way it could possibly happen is if Kishimoto just breaks everything in the manga.

 

Second bold: It has worked in other manga before and Sakura does care enough for Naruto the point that she doesn't want him to push himself too far. So I don't see how it goes against it.
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 December 2013 - 03:13 AM.

[Jake]

Wow I'm kinda late ain't I?

 

Oh well I liked this chapter and can't wait until next week.

 

I don't think that Naruto will lose Kurama and I hope B does not lose Gyuki, we've already had this fight when Obito had the Jubi why do we need it to happen again. The main reason I don't think Naruto will lose Kurama is because I think that he will vital in countering Madara since aside from Hashirama he is the one who knows the most about him.

[KnS]

I don't think Sasuke will save Naruto. He will be saved by a medic, because otherwise you would have to attack Madara. (do I need to say it won't work?) Or does anyone have another idea?

 

I don't think Sakura will fulfill her sacrifice yet, because that must be spared to his "big death". He is in constant danger in this war, but has not been directly injured so I guess I'm not expecting him to be bleeding next chapter either.

 

Just in case I wasn't very clear, I didn't mean that Sasuke would save Naruto's life in the same way as a medic.  I think Sasuke could attack Madara -- I mean he has already -- and do so in an attempt to assist Naruto or buy him time.  And I think the medic that would literally save Naruto's life would be Sakura.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "big death."  How much bigger could Naruto's death be than to die from the Kyubi extraction if that were to happen?  Just curious what ideas you have.  

 

If Kurama actually gets extracted, there's no way he can live. Kushina couldn't, and she was full-blood. Maybe someone can distract Madara? I think extraction jutsu requires tons of concentration and energy, so it might be enough.

 

That's what I was thinking Sasuke would do.  He might not take on Madara alone, but who else is going to feel as empowered to lead the charge?

 

I think Madara is becoming skynet. He has all the power he needs to destroy the world if he wanted to. He doesn't though, because his purpose in life is war. Thus he will continue to keep people on the edge of extinction but never fully following through with his plans. He will do this until he is eventually defeated.

That theory is of course based on these recent chapters that show Madara more excited than he's ever been before because he finally feels the thrill of battle in a mortal body.

 

Thanks for the considered reply.  I get what you're saying, but it doesn't help me understand Madara's motivation.  I can't understand what's driving him to achieve his goals.  I guess I just can't connect with his thinking.

 

As well, I already consider NS canon. The fact that Naruto still retains his feelings for Sakura despite everything; the fact that Sakura is the only one to show anything that even remotely shows any changing feelings, and how Sasuke still doesn't "see" Sakura at all is a very good sign that NS is the canon. 

 

This is more or less it.  

[Kster95]

I feel like maybe a change of scenery could go a long way with making the battle better. I dont know but I just dont like the whole SA around. I feel if certain characters were just there, it would be better.

[oksus]

Something not related to the chapter:

IMHO Looking at it logically if Minato does not even acknowledge Hinatas existance before leaving for good, NH chances to happen become practically 0%.

Especially since he already met Sakura. (Too bad they didn't actually converse)
Im bringing it up now, because it looks like Minato is gonna leave pretty soon

[TouKen4Life3g]

Something not related to the chapter:

IMHO Looking at it logically if Minato does not even acknowledge Hinatas existance before leaving for good, NH chances to happen become practically 0%.

Especially since he already met Sakura. (Too bad they didn't actually converse)
Im bringing it up now, because it looks like Minato is gonna leave pretty soon

At this rate, it's good to go. Minato already pull a approval, so it's no need for any random battle struggle. What's done is done. Hell, if he comes back to the field, plot armor is back.

[Liu bie]

As harsh as this might sound, Bee is expendable. There's really not much else to his character now. He served his purpose as a mentor and guardian for Naruto. The only detail that's still unresolved is the fate of Samehada if he dies.

The new owner of  Samehada possible the water boy from the Sasuke's team (sorry I always forget his name) 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I am going to stop reading right there and just say that "Hinata fans say this a lot." (I say Hinata fans because there are not a lot of true "NaruHina" fans out there. Yeah, Hinata fans also want NH to happen, but not for the same reasons. Rather than thinking that NH would make a good couple, they just think that Hinata should get what she wants and if she doesn't get it, Naruto is a horrible human being and he should die.)

I dont care, the same applies for them, Hinata thinking about Naruto wont make their pairing canon.
Everytime Hinata thinks about Naruto they scream canon.
 

First off, I want to be perfectly clear that I did not say nor imply that this would be the "defining moment that makes NS canon." I just said it would be an NS moment. I wish it could be a defining moment for NS and put an end to the pairing wars, but I have a funny feeling that whether it is or not, the pairings wars will still keep going. So what do you really consider a "defining" moment?

Progress, she's having conflicts on her feelings for Sasuke and is judging them by his actions and attitude, Ino and Karin decided to pursue their love despite Sasuke being a bad guy however Sakura has Naruto's love as a choice to make, and then there's Sasuke who tried to kill her and the guy who said that the one who she loves must be a great guy and that affected her because meanwhile Sasuke was bringing pain to everyone and doing evil stuff, Naruto was playing hero and saving everyone.
"defining" moment for me would be her giving a closure to 540, path to radiance and her conflict about her feelings for Sasuke.
 

Second, anything is possible at this point. I bring up my point about 631 and how many doubted me when I said that Minato would compare Sakura to Kushina. Guess who got the last laugh? I was the first to predict it too.

Yep anything is possible, however i pointed out that he comparing Sakura to Kushina was something already estabilished and despite being a nice moment it didnt bring any development and how the scene was done like after Naruto calling Sakura his gf they suddenly changed topic and didnt talked nothing about it.
 

As well, I already consider NS canon. The fact that Naruto still retains his feelings for Sakura despite everything; the fact that Sakura is the only one to show anything that even remotely shows any changing feelings, and how Sasuke still doesn't "see" Sakura at all is a very good sign that NS is the canon. This is all combined with the fact that Kishimoto said the manga was almost done. Well, if the manga is almost done and NH still has shown any progress despite all that has happened by now, then it is never going to happen.

This is why i said it combines with your wish, she has a development to move on why not finish it instead of giving a cheap scene where she resolves all her conflicts by just seeing Naruto dying?
 

I'm sorry, but I can't live this lie anymore saying "Well, it is a possibility." Yeah there is a possibility, but it so astronomically small by now that the only way it could possibly happen is if Kishimoto just breaks everything in the manga.
 
Second bold: It has worked in other manga before and Sakura does care enough for Naruto the point that she doesn't want him to push himself too far. So I don't see how it goes against it.

Agree, it's a possibility i just doesnt want it to be used as some form to make her fall in love with Naruto magically it doesnt make sense with the development they getting.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 December 2013 - 10:30 AM.

[Atheck]

The new owner of  Samehada possible the water boy from the Sasuke's team (sorry I always forget his name)

Suigetsu. Acquiring all 7 swords has been a personal quest of his since joining Hebi/Taka. Samehada in particular has been in his sights and it was because the sword's previous owner, Kisame, who was grouped with Itachi at the time (someone who Sasuke was pursuing), that gave him a practical reason for accompanying the others.

Samehada is arguably the most powerful weapon of the collection. It has multipurpose functions like jutsu absorption and fusion that make it a very useful tool to have. Suigetsu would probably make better use of it than Bee has. It would mould him into a fairly dangerous opponent to have to fight. Even S-Rank shinobi would have difficulty with him since many of them rely on chakra infused projectiles and enhancements to fight.

[Otaru]

I don't think that the kyuubi will be extracted from Naruto.He's the main character. Someone will intervene for saving him.... Guess who will be... I tend to rule out Kakashi and Minato since they seem to be busy with black zetsu and Obito stuff.

 

Gai? an old wsj preview reinforce this theory

Sasuke? He's Kishimoto's favourite after all lol

Hashirama? He seems to be wounded.

Tobirama? He likes Naruto but this would be too recurring since he saved already him before

Sakura? I'd like this.

Rookies? Probably.

 

There's one other theory: Naruto will be saved by... himself LOL

 

I tend to think like you, that Naruto will not loose Kurama, but it would be a great twist of scenario from Kishi and I have to admit I would love it.

Let me explain : I don't want Naruto to die. At all. lol

But imagine this if Naruto would loose Kurama, he would be on the verge of death. Sakura could be brought back in the story at this moment to try to save him, with something like UNIQLO OVA, and maybe Sakura showing without any doubt that she can't live without him. If this would happen, I imagine Tsunade would come to avoid Sakura to die while resurrecting Naruto (or to save.resurrect Sakura after she saved Naruto). I can't believe Tsunade haven't developed a resurrecting jutsu too during all this years and that Shiyo is the only one.

If Naruto would loose his part of Kurama, it would be a ssooooo great twist because nobody expecting this at all. Let's be honest here, we're used to Kishimoto fear to do big changes in his story. If Naruto would loose Kurama, it would allow a lot of developping ways that are all very interesting, like Sakura showing her true love and new talents, like I said before, Minato would give the other Kurama's part to Naruto before "dying", and then Naruto and the other part of Kurama could team up to save the first part. That would be so interesting ! This would bring so much drama ! I need drama in this manga !

But... Kishi will eventually bring Sasuke in the fight to interfere and save Naruto... =/

[Chatte]

As I said on Tumblr, seeing how Kishi follows some RTN scenarios...

 

First this happened…

 

Then we got to this…

 

Now I’m kinda expecting this to happen…

(hopefully)

 

I'd be nice.

 

Of course, like Naruto wasn't alone when he did that move, neither will Sakura be probably. But i'd be nice if this happens.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, I will not think of them as I am a cursed guy who wants or thinks of the next possibility and so far, well, I have been on a streak. That said I will continue to do so. I would admit, I have thought that maybe people shouldn't say anything at all. Why? Because I feel like we are giving him ideas to CANCEL it. He only made an exception with 631. I'm not really telling you guys to do it, but I do feel like we should just wait and make him think on what he wants to do. For example:

When people predict:
Kishi: Good, now delete all of them in my head, and add a new route. Let's see...

When people don't predict:
Kishi: Hm, I should go how the lineup seems to usually go.

I mean this chapter I didn't think this would happen and I don't think I have heard anyone predicted this. That said if you feel like you are dooming your own hope, then don't say anything but "can't wait" or "wonder what's next."

[Nostradamus]

As I said on Tumblr, seeing how Kishi follows some RTN scenarios...

 

First this happened…

 

Then we got to this…

 

Now I’m kinda expecting this to happen…

(hopefully)

 

I'd be nice.

 

Of course, like Naruto wasn't alone when he did that move, neither will Sakura be probably. But i'd be nice if this happens.

That would be nice. Although the way I see it is Naruto either loses Kurama or Sasuke intervenes and cuts the chains with his Susanoo. I just don't see Sakura jumping in, I'm hoping but I wouldn't put my money on that.

[Rozette]

As well, I already consider NS canon. The fact that Naruto still retains his feelings for Sakura despite everything; the fact that Sakura is the only one to show anything that even remotely shows any changing feelings, and how Sasuke still doesn't "see" Sakura at all is a very good sign that NS is the canon. 

 

 

This is more or less it.  

 

 

Well, if you want to split hairs... haha. 

Edited by Gamakushii, 18 December 2013 - 06:31 PM.

[Question22]

I dont think Sakura will come out and save Naruto , it will be sasuke and SasuNaru is canon then yay <3 (just joking xD) 

 

More jokes for fun:

 

Hashirama: Sasuke ..... young man its no use those sticks.... they got me hard 

 

Sasuke tries to pull out the rods*

 

Hashirama: Please uchiha lad , do me a favor before i die and k,i,s,s me 

 

Sasuke: You serious?

 

Hashirama: Its the only way to give you half of my senju DNA and then maybe you can awaken the rinnegan and please beatt him but save hes genitals!

Edited by Question22, 18 December 2013 - 07:12 PM.

[Dkey]

You know, I will not think of them as I am a cursed guy who wants or thinks of the next possibility and so far, well, I have been on a streak. That said I will continue to do so. I would admit, I have thought that maybe people shouldn't say anything at all. Why? Because I feel like we are giving him ideas to CANCEL it. He only made an exception with 631. I'm not really telling you guys to do it, but I do feel like we should just wait and make him think on what he wants to do. For example:

When people predict:
Kishi: Good, now delete all of them in my head, and add a new route. Let's see...

When people don't predict:
Kishi: Hm, I should go how the lineup seems to usually go.

I mean this chapter I didn't think this would happen and I don't think I have heard anyone predicted this. That said if you feel like you are dooming your own hope, then don't say anything but "can't wait" or "wonder what's next."

that is of course if he reads them. personally i think it would be distracting so he sees the story differently than us and will go on what he feels comfortable. Thou seeing the streak of cliffangers kishi had this year.
anyone im going with bee losing his bijuu but naruto not.
it will somehow involve the gokage ( all of them have something to grind with madara and im not reffering just to the last fight but real history)

[TouKen4Life3g]

that is of course if he reads them. personally i think it would be distracting so he sees the story differently than us and will go on what he feels comfortable. Thou seeing the streak of cliffangers kishi had this year.
anyone im going with bee losing his bijuu but naruto not.
it will somehow involve the gokage ( all of them have something to grind with madara and im not reffering just to the last fight but real history)

It's more of a mind games when I wrote that. It just things literally never go our way. Others would be like, "Oh I knew it." I guess maybe because they are predictable? I don't know, but it just seems like a mind game.

[soraandven]

i can see sakura saving him if kurama is extracted

[sushi.]

 

Just in case I wasn't very clear, I didn't mean that Sasuke would save Naruto's life in the same way as a medic.  I think Sasuke could attack Madara -- I mean he has already -- and do so in an attempt to assist Naruto or buy him time.  And I think the medic that would literally save Naruto's life would be Sakura.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "big death."  How much bigger could Naruto's death be than to die from the Kyubi extraction if that were to happen?  Just curious what ideas you have.  

 

 

That's what I was thinking Sasuke would do.  He might not take on Madara alone, but who else is going to feel as empowered to lead the charge?

Oh that wasn't what I meant. I didn't say Sasuke would save Naruto like a medic does, I said only a medic could save him from that situation. But I changed my opinion. I couldn't think of any way someone could prevent Madara from pulling Kurama out of Naruto, because of his OP-ness. You can't physically harm him, but interfere in other ways. Like cutting the chains, like someone mentioned before. I don't think Chatte's idea is crazy either, because Tsunade and Sakura are the only ones with instant healing. Their ability actually reminds me of Hashirama's, just that unlike them he can do it in base mode.

 

Regarding Naruto's big death, I simply meant his "main death" in the manga. I think Naruto will only be really close to death once, so close that Sakura will perform a certain jutsu for the first time. And I don't think it's time yet, I'll wait till climax.

Edited by sushi., 18 December 2013 - 10:35 PM.