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[arian_rad]

Its the perspective of panels, Katsuyu from the top and the bijuus from the side, where was it stated that was 5% Katsuyu?

Tsunade mentioned that with 2 summonners they can summon 1/10th (10%) of katsuyu. Simple math sais one person can summon 5% of katsuyu. Even from the top, if you play close attention to the panel, the angles between the roots are much smaller in difference in comparison to the other roots. It's 100% kishi's inconsistency with them. Angles look the same from whatever perspective, from the top, or infront.

[Kster95]

Tsunade mentioned that with 2 summonners they can summon 1/10th (10%) of katsuyu. Simple math sais one person can summon 5% of katsuyu. Even from the top, if you play close attention to the panel, the angles between the roots are much smaller in difference in comparison to the other roots. It's 100% kishi's inconsistency with them. Angles look the same from whatever perspective, from the top, or infront.

There is a flaw in that way of thinking because Shukaku is roughly the same size as Gamabunta and Gamabunta is roughly the same size as the most common Katsuyu we have seen, so if you put two shikaku's next to each other from that image they dont measure up to 10% Katsuyu. So what we have seen before is less than 5%.

Edited by Kster95, 05 December 2013 - 04:10 PM.

[arian_rad]

There is a flaw in that way of thinking because Shukaku is roughly the same size as Gamabunta and Gamabunta is roughly the same size as the most common Katsuyu we have seen, so if you put two shikaku's next to each other from that image they dont measure up to 10% Katsuyu. So what we have seen before is less than 5%.

You just mentioned that gamabunta is roughly the same size as katsuyu. I just told you those images are no accurate and are inconsistent with the way kishi has drawn the roots. It's very simple math actually, it's just that the images that are drawn are inconsistent. I'm not undermining katsuyu's size but 10% of him should be roughly the same size as 2 gamabunta's shukaku. Not 7 different bijuu's.

[Atheck]

Yeah, obviously I think it has merit enough to be posted. I didn't randomly pick a symbol like tying Choji's cheeks to Naruto's crest. No more than I think Ino is like Kushina they both wore hair barettes.

The flaw with this statement is that Ino and Kushina's accessory preferences doesn't represent much in terms of the narrative next to what the emblem that Choji decided was significant enough to express on his face is. The Uzumaki crest has an established meaning to itself both in terms of interpersonal relationships and foreign policy. It's like a coat of arms to the shinobi of Konoha.
 

I'll repeat: It is significant because you could tie a line from Hashirama to Tsunade to Sakura through the direct inheritance of their will and technique. So I think the groundwork is laid if Sakura were to go after Madara, that could be the way it happens. In a way that honors here "inheritance" and even surpasses her mentor and earns a thumbs up from Hashirama.

Yes, but why would this so-called "desecration" be of any significance to Sakura? Judging by the lack of reaction and seeming disinterestedness in the status of these techniques or her lack of direct participation in the fight up until now, she seems acceptive of the role that she has personally chosen for herself. As a medical ninja, her obligation is to the well-being of her allies and ensuring that they can fight for as long as she can tend to their injuries.

Precariously venturing out onto this personal crusade because she feels disgusted with Madara's unethical use of Hashirama's techniques isn't consistent with the portrayal of her character. Nevermind the impracticality of that decision since she would be abandoning the most important duty of the medical shinobi by jeopardising the lives of everyone on that battlefield.

Moreover, her dedication isn't to Hashirama, being that she holds no sentimental value in him and knows only what she was able to read from scrolls in the Hokage library, it's to Tsunade.

A line could be drawn from Madara to Onoki, given their history as allies turning to embittered enemies who had left a long-lasting effect on the latter personally, but that doesn't necessarily define the future state of events of Madara or how he will be brought down. From what Kishi has leaked in previous interviews, it seems that the final victory might be won through a concerted effort of the bijuu. Which is in keeping with the elements of the story at this moment.
 

In this way, Sakura's seal transforming to a senju one could be seen as no different than Naruto's transformation to the frog eyes after learning under Jiraiya.

The seal appears to be from the Uzumaki clan, given that one of their clansmen is shown with a seal of an identical visual design and the group's reputation with fuinjutsu creation and usage. Naruto's described "transformation" is a result of his own personal toils and the enormous amount of chakra that exists within him. It's a trait that exists independently of any clan affiliation. Sakura's seal is apparently linked to the Uzumaki.

Granted, Madara drew a comparison with the Byakugou and Hashirama's ability to self-restore without the need for handseals, but the weight of that statement isn't clearly defined and traits loosely similar to that could be found in other characters. I would take it with a grain of salt, like with Onoki comparing statements made by Tobi and Danzo or Jiraiya discovering that Pain's paths are all shinobi whom he fought before (a revelation which had no meaning after its discovery).
 

Let's not forget that Sakura's diamond seal burst onto the manga pages with no foreshadowing whatsoever, and that Sakura has said she hasn't unlocked it all the way. So yeah, the groundwork's there. Again, I said it wasn't a prediction, more of a suspicion.

And to answer the question is it really important that the symbols resemble each other? Yes. There are two modes of storytelling going on here: the literal words, and the visual art. Kishimoto has to be both, but as I've said before, the art comes across without translation, so it's important not to disregard it. We agonize over the turns of phrase, but the imagery conveys just as much of a message. And Kishi has shown many times over that he has planted images that are only unveiled to have significance much later on.

An upgrade that was met with great criticism after it was introduced. But they don't complain about the suddenness of Kiba demonstrating the ability to use clones or InoShikaCho's yo-yo technique, do they? It would be a lie to say that this growth was built-up or alluded to in any significant fashion outside of Sakura becoming "another Tsunade" as Jiraiya put it. But it's within reason of what her profession entails.

The visual art is just as expressive as the dialogue, granted, but it's through the wording that a scene can be given context. Take into account what Sakura mentioned in #631 about the seal and the strength she displayed being, as she described it, her "true power". What does that mean? Is it the pinnacle of her growth? The plateau that she reached which will remain as her own "prime"? Personally, I would say that there is a strong possibility of that being the case. As a medical ninja, there is no other level than the Byakugou seal, since it's apparently the greatest, most powerful ability created by their class. The only arguable leg left to stand on that's been established in the manga regarding Sakura's growth is her genjutsu potential which may or may not come true.

As I said above, Sakura is a medical shinobi first and foremost. Her duty is to her team, to help with their injuries and keep them in battle-ready condition. It wouldn't be consistent with her character to abandon that duty when it's needed unless she chose to sacrifice her Byakugou to try and fight Madara.
 

Regarding Katsuyu: She was summoned inside of a crater below the roots of the Shinju. The bijuu are standing on even ground. 

Edited by Atheck, 05 December 2013 - 06:16 PM.

[Jake]

You just mentioned that gamabunta is roughly the same size as katsuyu. I just told you those images are no accurate and are inconsistent with the way kishi has drawn the roots. It's very simple math actually, it's just that the images that are drawn are inconsistent. I'm not undermining katsuyu's size but 10% of him should be roughly the same size as 2 gamabunta's shukaku. Not 7 different bijuu's.

 

These kind of inconsistencies are pretty common in Mecha Anime/Manga where the mecha would change size several times sometimes in the same scene, In episode 8 of Neon Genesis Evangelion Unit-02 went from taking up half the deck of an Aircraft carrier while laying down, to crushing entire Destroyers under it's feet, to being dwarfed by said destroyers as thy are sinking. so if a series that consistently uses multi-story tall mechas can't get size and scale right all the time, what chance does Kishi have?

[Kster95]

You just mentioned that gamabunta is roughly the same size as katsuyu. I just told you those images are no accurate and are inconsistent with the way kishi has drawn the roots. It's very simple math actually, it's just that the images that are drawn are inconsistent. I'm not undermining katsuyu's size but 10% of him should be roughly the same size as 2 gamabunta's shukaku. Not 7 different bijuu's.

 

Roughly the same size as the Kastuyu we have seen summoned most, but even if its simple math the images are so off it make no sense, 10% Kastuyu is so much larger than if you put 2 Gamabunta's together. Also it makes no sense that you need 2 people with the yin seal to only summon something the size of 2 Gamabuntas. If you need 2 people with the yin seal, you are going to be summoning something very very large. 

 

 

Regarding Katsuyu: She was summoned inside of a crater below the roots of the Shinju. The bijuu are standing on even ground. 

 

 

Which further proves the point that she is much larger than them. 

Edited by Kster95, 05 December 2013 - 09:00 PM.

[tricksie]

@Atheck - it's strayed a little too far from my original points to continue. I could argue point for point against your reply, but then we'd be moving farther away and going on about your posts, not the original one I'd made, if that makes sense.  

 

Again, I have a hunch that the senju seal might somehow tie in to Sakura's final sage form or at least her family crest. Very much like the spiral patch on Naruto's sleeve in part one turning out to have a similar design on his shoulder when he went into sage mode in 499 (beginning of the war, all gold). It's a hunch, and as such it's as viable as anything out there until confirmed or denied. Picking from the buffet of symbolism will not make it any more right or wrong.

 

As for Sakura moving ahead in her medic work...why not? There's nothing stopping her, no matter what path she's chosen. Being a medic certainly didn't stop Tsunade from becoming a Sage, so I would expect nothing less from her apprentice.

[arian_rad]

 
Roughly the same size as the Kastuyu we have seen summoned most, but even if its simple math the images are so off it make no sense, 10% Kastuyu is so much larger than if you put 2 Gamabunta's together. Also it makes no sense that you need 2 people with the yin seal to only summon something the size of 2 Gamabuntas. If you need 2 people with the yin seal, you are going to be summoning something very very large. 
 
 
 
Which further proves the point that she is much larger than them. 

It would be impossible for tsunade to calculate how much of katsuyu they could summon if it wasn't simple math. Only one person has summoned katsuyu at once before that event and for tsunade to just say 1/10 without any prior explanation just shows that they were numbers that could be calculated very simply. Each person can summons 5% of katsuyu. Tsunade was probably told while making the contract at some point that she could only summon 5% of her to appear. It's just authors inconsistency with drawing the panels. It happens a lot of times in manga so it's nothing to be surprised about.

[Shadow1275]

Despite being on your opinion, you know that the context was about being capable of fighting alongside them instead of being protected by them.
She didnt meant that she's now a fighter on the same level as them, she now can stand as an equal between them because she can fight now instead of being behind them.
 
THe moment felt rushed as many others too.
He didnt write that scene to "look how she's badass" killing fodders is not meaningfull but rather what was empashized was her healing skills with the remote healing, i dont care about haters because they will continue hating her anyway.
THat moment was development rather than take down haters.
 
What was emphasized was her healing skills, that attack was to give her self confidence and to show her power to Naruto and Sasuke rather than just "kill fodders", she felt they didnt needed to fight to protect her anymore and that was enough for her.
 Sakura lacks ambition and those chapters made her look satisfied with her current powerup, and this is determinant for me to conclude why i dont believe she will get further powerups, she has nothing beside team 7 (Naruto, Sasuke and team 7 as whole), Naruto fight for peace and for his dream of kage, Sasuke has his revengefull desires and but what Sakura has?

Even on the summit she instead of vowing, I'll be stronger and help Naruto and make sure he doesnt die she just give up and said "i'll believe on them".
This is not the type of attitude of someome who wants a strong powerup.
 
That was a joke that Kishi made to make fun of her like "dont feel too cocky".
 
What rivary would she have with Ino, only if you want her to go back on a state of fangirlism to fight over Sasuke.
 
He cant control the bijuu's being blind.
And even then what about the kages.

 
HIs plan was ridiculous he lost his sharingan and rinnegan at least he could kick Vegeta's ass, ahem "Sasuke".

Despite being on your opinion, you know that the context was about being capable of fighting alongside them instead of being protected by them.
She didnt meant that she's now a fighter on the same level as them, she now can stand as an equal between them because she can fight now instead of being behind them.

 

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/632/14

 

She says, "They were too skilled, I would not be able to catch up too them." She is talking about how they were stronger than her every step of the way.

 

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/632/19

 

She then says here that "Tsunade Sama, I finally caught up with them." She specifially says that she is on the same level as Naruto and Sasuke. Allow me to reiterate, before they were stronger then her and she could not keep up. Now She says that she has caught up with them, meaning that she is as powerful as they are. It's not a question of being able to fight by their side. How many times have we seen her fight in part 2? Sasori, against the cloud ninja.

 

THe moment felt rushed as many others too.
He didnt write that scene to "look how she's badass" killing fodders is not meaningfull but rather what was empashized was her healing skills with the remote healing, i dont care about haters because they will continue hating her anyway.
THat moment was development rather than take down haters.

 

Agreed, preaching to the choir that it was rushed. But in terms of development it was weak. Let's go by your own opinion for example that the moment was to show that she didn't need protection anymore. If she just took down over a hundred in one punch and no longer needs protection, Why the hell did she have to be saved right afterwards from one Biju clone? It makes absolute zero sense if her development is complete and she doesn't need to be protected anymore. Especially if the chapter's focus is to exhibit her growth. If you like her as a healer that's fine. I agree that she doesn't get enough love for her healing skills, but like I said in my previous post we already know that Sakura is a great healer. And if that moment wasn't to address the haters, why did it last one chapter and where the heck has Sakura been for the past 5 or so?

 

Even on the summit she instead of vowing, I'll be stronger and help Naruto and make sure he doesnt die she just give up and said "i'll believe on them".This is not the type of attitude of someome who wants a strong powerup.

 

That comment has nothing to do with combat at all, nor does it have anything to do with her matching Naruto and Sasuke's power. That comment illustrates one point, her acceptance that she has no effect on Sasuke's desire to rejoin Team 7 or his feelings whatsoever. The scene wasn't about power, it was Naruto explaining his feelings to Sasuke and how they could connect. Sakura has been out of the running for Sasuke's respect for a long time.

 

That was a joke that Kishi made to make fun of her like "dont feel too cocky".

 

Haha Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your name was Masashi Kishimoto. She just took down a hundred with one punch and she can't do the same to one more? Please, he used about 3 panels of flashback about how she wanted to catch up to them, then another 2 panels including the obligatory Naruto whine with his tail between his legs showing what she did with one punch. But then he decides that all that build-up doesn't count for one guy? Whether it's a joke or not is debatable considering neither of us is that troll, but that's not the point. He basically built up a house and then steamrolled it all within one chapter. It's even worse if it was a joke because that means that the only times she'll get a chance to show her strength is to set up another chance to save her.

 

What rivary would she have with Ino, only if you want her to go back on a state of fangirlism to fight over Sasuke.
 

I suggest you re-read part 1. You're right, they split bc of Sasuke... But it was more than that right. To be honest, my suggestion of the rivalry was only for the reason of having one final development for Sakura where she saves Ino from a biju, much like Ino saved her from the bullies. Let's play with it though. Ino and Sakura became rivals because of Sasuke, but they originally became friends because of Sakura's low self-esteem. That was the development I was talking about. As far as I know, their rivalry dissappeared in part 2, but the relationship between them was interesting.

 

He cant control the bijuu's being blind.
And even then what about the kages.

 

Re-read the last chapter and you'll understand. Hashirama, the most powerful ninja ever, the guy who even broke out of Edo Tensei control, was just frozen with a simple hand-sign. Plus we already know what happens to the new Kages when they fight Madara. Just ask Tsunade, has she got stories.

 

As for controlling them, Obito's eye has the rinnegan. His other eye has the sharingan. We already know from the Kakashi gaiden chronicles that it's possible to field surgery eyes onto a person. But he's already targeted the biju, he can absorb chakra. I don't think it's that hard for him to control the biju.

 

HIs plan was ridiculous he lost his sharingan and rinnegan

 

While freezing the Kage and whole shinobi alliance, regaining his former power as well as absorbtion, burning Naruto[who gets the Captain Obvious award by the way. Of course it burns, it's fire jutsu ] But most of all, NOT ALLOWING HIMSELF TO BE TNJed!!! Finally someone is immune, and he deserves props too because Hashi was skilled enough to TNJ Sasuke, Orochimaru, and the rest of Taka. Though whether he holds up to Naruto's technique remains to be seen.

 

he could kick Vegeta's ass, ahem "Sasuke".

 

Ha I see what you did there.  Though that's why DBZ is overrated. Great fight sequences, cool explosions, terrible story.

Edited by Shadow1275, 06 December 2013 - 01:37 AM.

[Atheck]

Again, I have a hunch that the senju seal might somehow tie in to Sakura's final sage form or at least her family crest. Very much like the spiral patch on Naruto's sleeve in part one turning out to have a similar design on his shoulder when he went into sage mode in 499 (beginning of the war, all gold). It's a hunch, and as such it's as viable as anything out there until confirmed or denied. Picking from the buffet of symbolism will not make it any more right or wrong.

From what Kishi has revealed concerning Sakura's heritage, she doesn't hail from any prominent clan with associable power or authority like the Uchiha and Hyuga. That has always been her niche. The member who lacks the inheritable traits of a clan or the doleful background created through isolation and/or death.

If there is an unspoken necessity to maintain the symbolism of his plot (symbolism which he already has gone against in a few areas) then he wouldn't violate the connotations that are associated with Sakura's character just to prescribe her with a random and unneeded power-up (she hasn't even fully used the one she received 25 chapters ago). Out of all the Rookies, she is part of the fraction who have no significant genetic background. But even in this attempt to dissect the finest of details for secret truths, not every symbol holds a meaning or a sentence spoken with unsullied accuracy. I'm reminded of Kakashi's statement regarding the Uchiha Clan supposedly being an off-shoot of the Hyuga from the original series and the theories people made to try and connect them with Kaguya and the Shinju with generalised symbols that appear whenever chakra is used.

Believe what you want though.
 

As for Sakura moving ahead in her medic work...why not? There's nothing stopping her, no matter what path she's chosen.

 
To not abandon a wounded and dying soldier after being critically wounded? To put what she was primarily trained to do to use rather than stage a futile assault against an opponent that not even a much more powerful character infused with the power of a sage could react to before he received his greatest enhancement ever from the "god of shinobi"? 
 
Apparently it isn't a concern if she abandons her post or denies the principals of her training that she was brought up on, so long as she gets her moment to try and bloody her knuckles before being repelled or worst. People may have had grievances about Sakura's lack of appearance this chapter, but I don't think any of them actually believed that she would stand any sort of chance against Madara or that she would be of any more value than Naruto or Sasuke. Not that that's what you're doing, but her greatest strengths lie in her medical jutsu. If she wants to help then she should stick to what she is most effective at instead of acting like Sai this chapter. She can help in a way that doesn't betray her characterisation.
 

Being a medic certainly didn't stop Tsunade from becoming a Sage, so I would expect nothing less from her apprentice.

Tsunade isn't a sage. It was never stated anywhere in the manga that she practiced the senjutsu arts. The reason for her participation in the previous fight against Madara was because she had access to the Byakugou, a jutsu that is able to preserve her life in combat but at the expense of vital chakra and her body's cells' ability to divide. Yes, Sakura has that as well, but the circumstances of that fight and this one differ incredibly. It's not just her and four other incredibly powerful shinobi who are capable of handling themselves, it's an entire army who up until now have been a prime concern in trying to keep alive against any and all attempts made on their lives. Sakura would sacrifice her previous efforts, her duties which she personally declared she would assume the role for at the end of #633, just so she could could carry out this personal vendetta that probably isn't even a concern in her mind or Tsunade's (she didn't even really acknowledge Madara using her grandfather's techniques after the initial shock many chapters back)?
 

Regarding Sakura's statement about having "caught up" with Naruto and Sasuke: The issue with this is that most people simply don't accept things at face-value as the truth. Sakura's claim which was likely a result of her overconfidence at the time is no different. Most readers apply what they learn from feats and demonstrations before coming to their conclusion. What Sakura displayed was very linear in terms of physical and technical scope.

 

To summarise her feats then, she punched an immobile enemy standing directly in front of her, matched the velocity at which her punch propelled it (presumably with chakra enhancing the momentum of her initial jump like what she does with her punches), and then destroyed a large group of about roughly fourty-four (assuming Slexstrem's estimate is accurate) along with a large amount of the surrounding terrain. Afterwards her feats are mostly non-aggressive. It's confirmed that she can summon Katsuyu, use the Remote Healing technique, and partially release her seal. 

 

It's very lopsided when you compare Sakura's feats with the vast array that Naruto and Sasuke have consistently been adding to since Shippuden began. Various questions will spring up to assess the veracity of what Sakura said. Does she have the speed and reflexes to contend with her teammates when they're attacking (one being likened to the fastest man known to ever exist and the other being capable of nearly blitzing S-Rank shinobi)? How does she counteract Amaterasu which is almost instantaneous in landing on its intended target? Can she match them in taijutsu and ninjutsu? Is she as strategic and analytical as they are? How does she handle Naruto or Sasuke when they unleash BSM or Perfect Susanoo (both of which are highly durable and more powerful than almost anything else shown in the manga)? Questions like those. 

 

Even in her own area of expertise with raw destructive force she hasn't demonstrated anything on the scale of a Bijudama or Kirin which is capable of leveling entire mountains and landscapes. And these aren't even their final upgrades. 

 

If Kishi genuinely believes that Sakura is on Naruto and Sasuke's level in facets of offensive skill and power, then he should have demonstrated it when he had the opportunity. Otherwise, don't be surprised if it's disregarded like with similar statements made like Itachi and Kisame together being weaker than Jiraiya (given everything that we know now about their fighting capabilities) or Hiruzen being the strongest of the Hokages. 

Edited by Atheck, 06 December 2013 - 02:09 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Despite being on your opinion, you know that the context was about being capable of fighting alongside them instead of being protected by them.
She didnt meant that she's now a fighter on the same level as them, she now can stand as an equal between them because she can fight now instead of being behind them.
 
 
She says, "They were too skilled, I would not be able to catch up too them." She is talking about how they were stronger than her every step of the way.
 
She then says here that "Tsunade Sama, I finally caught up with them." She specifially says that she is on the same level as Naruto and Sasuke. Allow me to reiterate, before they were stronger then her and she could not keep up. Now She says that she has caught up with them, meaning that she is as powerful as they are. It's not a question of being able to fight by their side. How many times have we seen her fight in part 2? Sasori, against the cloud ninja.

Her motivation was about being capable of fighting alongside them, so she could caught up, does she's stronger as they are, obviously no, but she felt she at least could prove that she was stronger too and be ccapable of fighting alongside them which was her motivation.

Yep and even on those fights her motivation was once again team 7, i'm not questioning those moments, i'm questioning her motivations, she doesnt have a motivation to be a strong ninja on the level of Naruto and Sasuke[above kage level for Naruto, and vegeta level for Sasuke], she's satisfied and it's not included on other strong plots aside from Team 7.
This whole powerup currently has no logical basis on the manga, i would believe if Tsunade had died and Sakura learned about hatred and has the desire to bring peace.
 

THe moment felt rushed as many others too.
He didnt write that scene to "look how she's badass" killing fodders is not meaningfull but rather what was empashized was her healing skills with the remote healing, i dont care about haters because they will continue hating her anyway.


THat moment was development rather than take down haters.
 
Agreed, preaching to the choir that it was rushed. But in terms of development it was weak. Let's go by your own opinion for example that the moment was to show that she didn't need protection anymore. If she just took down over a hundred in one punch and no longer needs protection, Why the hell did she have to be saved right afterwards from one Biju clone? It makes absolute zero sense if her development is complete and she doesn't need to be protected anymore. Especially if the chapter's focus is to exhibit her growth. If you like her as a healer that's fine. I agree that she doesn't get enough love for her healing skills, but like I said in my previous post we already know that Sakura is a great healer. And if that moment wasn't to address the haters, why did it last one chapter and where the heck has Sakura been for the past 5 or so?

 

That comment has nothing to do with combat at all, nor does it have anything to do with her matching Naruto and Sasuke's power. That comment illustrates one point, her acceptance that she has no effect on Sasuke's desire to rejoin Team 7 or his feelings whatsoever. The scene wasn't about power, it was Naruto explaining his feelings to Sasuke and how they could connect. Sakura has been out of the running for Sasuke's respect for a long time.

Agreed it wasnt about power at all, i just pointed out the lack of a resolve because she kept worrying about the possibility of Naruto dying but she's a medical ninja.
 
 

That was a joke that Kishi made to make fun of her like "dont feel too cocky".
 
Haha Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your name was Masashi Kishimoto. She just took down a hundred with one punch and she can't do the same to one more? Please, he used about 3 panels of flashback about how she wanted to catch up to them, then another 2 panels including the obligatory Naruto whine with his tail between his legs showing what she did with one punch. But then he decides that all that build-up doesn't count for one guy? Whether it's a joke or not is debatable considering neither of us is that troll, but that's not the point. He basically built up a house and then steamrolled it all within one chapter. It's even worse if it was a joke because that means that the only times she'll get a chance to show her strength is to set up another chance to save her.

i mean the fact she had to be saved, was a joke.
"Because she didnt wanted for them to fight protecting her anymore and yet she had to be saved by them once again even with the power up that's joke."
Not the flashbacks or whatever.
 

What rivary would she have with Ino, only if you want her to go back on a state of fangirlism to fight over Sasuke.
 
I suggest you re-read part 1. You're right, they split bc of Sasuke... But it was more than that right. To be honest, my suggestion of the rivalry was only for the reason of having one final development for Sakura where she saves Ino from a biju, much like Ino saved her from the bullies. Let's play with it though. Ino and Sakura became rivals because of Sasuke, but they originally became friends because of Sakura's low self-esteem. That was the development I was talking about. As far as I know, their rivalry dissappeared in part 2, but the relationship between them was interesting.

Their rivalry is mostly concentrated on love and Sasuke, power could've be included but i dont see Ino being bothered by Sakura's powerup, even when Asuma died he said "dont lose to Sakura in love".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 December 2013 - 09:59 AM.

[Nostradamus]

I'm sorry what was that Orochimaru? Sasuke has the potential to surpass Madara?

We just saw that Madara without his eyes was toying around with Sasuke, so yeah Sasuke will really surpass Madara. Now of course in the future when Naruto will fight Sasuke we will have someone possibly Naruto himself or Kurama saying that Sasuke is more powerful than Madara, but we all know that will be a lie.

Edited by Nostradamus, 06 December 2013 - 11:13 PM.

[tricksie]

Believe what you want though.

 

Ah, now there's something we can agree on.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yep Atheck i agree with you, let me share my thoughts about it.
The character so far got their powerups when they kept having goals.

Sasuke on the begining become stronger because he wanted his revenge when he fullfilled it, however he had another one, to destroy the leaf, his hatred and his powerfull desire kept giving his powerups and asspulls, and now he had another resolve which is something related to the shinobi world.

 

Naruto started trying to catch up with Sasuke, his desire to be kage and acknowledged, then he become stronger until Jiraiya died he had the goal of peace, he defeated Pain and was acknowledged by everyone, but then later he decided to stop running away from being a Jinchuuriki and gained another power up with his Kyuubi Mode.

 

Sakura, she reached her max potential on her vow of wanting to caught up with them[and sadly that's the only goal she had] and was shown satisfied with her role, unless Kishi gives to her another goal or resolution i would believe on a powerup.

 

Anyway being honest Sakura only has the team 7, this arc proved it with all the letters and even explained why kishi "she slipped my mind" because she's related to it, she's a main character and deserves more than that, she deserved on this arc to have a confrontation with Chiyo Baa and Tsunade dying for her to have  development when it comes to the fate fo the shinobi, it's more than common sense for her since she stands in the middle of Naruto and Sasuke's clash, to at least understand their motivations and has her own beliefs and pick Naruto's side because she beliefs the same rather than common sense.

 

Naruto and Sasuke got their resolutions about the Shinobi and as a main character Sakura deserved that too and she didnt received it.

 

TL;DR

A powerup or Sage for Sakura doesnt justify because she doesnt have motivations or goals to do so.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 December 2013 - 12:22 AM.

[Kster95]

I'm sorry what was that Orochimaru? Sasuke has the potential to surpass Madara?
We just saw that Madara without his eyes was toying around with Sasuke, so yeah Sasuke will really surpass Madara. Now of course in the future when Naruto will fight Sasuke we will have someone possibly Naruto himself or Kurama saying that Sasuke is more powerful than Madara, but we all know that will be a lie.

So I am guessing Sasuke and Naruto fighting for 2 days straight and taking down Juubito while Madara is fully rested counts as nothing?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So I am guessing Sasuke and Naruto fighting for 2 days straight and taking down Juubito while Madara is fully rested counts as nothing?

Sorry but it's not 2 days straight, it's the same night, as incrible as it sounds.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 December 2013 - 01:19 AM.

[Kster95]

Sorry but it's not 2 days straight, it's the same night.

They fought all day and Obito said it was going to be Naruto's birthday.
Well whatever, they still have been fighting the whole day.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

They fought all day and Obito said it was going to be Naruto's birthday.
Well whatever, they still have been fighting the whole day.

Yep, aside from Sasuke's case who ended up Itachi's fight against Kabuto at 9.pm and managed somehow without teleports or whatever to move from the battlefield to Konoha and from Konoha to the Uzumaki shrine(have that long chat with the kages)to once again goes Konoha and come back to the battlefield at around 11pm, when Naruto, Sakura, Temari and Kakashi took like one day to reach Suna and later took more two days to reach the Akatsuki hideout.

Kishi is not even  a bit consistent with the timeline.

Even then remember that on Pain arc Naruto was 16 and half and now since then looks like it passed 6 months.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 December 2013 - 01:27 AM.

[Kster95]

Yep, aside from Sasuke's case who ended up Itachi's fight against Kabuto at 9.pm and managed somehow without teleports or whatever to move from the battlefield to Konoha and from Konoha to the Uzumaki shrine(have that long chat with the kages)to once again goes Konoha and come back to the battlefield at around 11pm, when Naruto, Sakura, Temari and Kakashi took like one day to reach Suna and later took more two days to reach the Akatsuki hideout.
Kishi is not even  a bit consistent with the timeline.
Even then remember that on Pain arc Naruto was 16 and half and now since then looks like it passed 6 months.

Sasuke has been known to be fast. Lol Yeah timeline is pretty bad.

[Atheck]

Yep Atheck i agree with you, let me share my thoughts about it.
The character so far got their powerups when they kept having goals.
Sasuke on the begining become stronger because he wanted his revenge when he fullfilled it, however he had another one, to destroy the leaf, his hatred and his powerfull desire kept giving his powerups and asspulls, and now he had another resolve which is something related to the shinobi world.
 
Naruto started trying to catch up with Sasuke, his desire to be kage and acknowledged, then he become stronger until Jiraiya died he had the goal of peace, he defeated Pain and was acknowledged by everyone, but then later he decided to stop running away from being a Jinchuuriki and gained another power up with his Kyuubi Mode.
 
Sakura, she reached her max potential on her vow of wanting to caught up with them[and sadly that's the only goal she had] and was shown satisfied with her role, unless Kishi gives to her another goal or resolution i would believe on a powerup.
 
Anyway being honest Sakura only has the team 7, this arc proved it with all the letters and even explained why kishi "she slipped my mind" because she's related to it, she's a main character and deserves more than that, she deserved on this arc to have a confrontation with Chiyo Baa and Tsunade dying for her to have  development when it comes to the fate fo the shinobi, it's more than common sense for her since she stands in the middle of Naruto and Sasuke's clash, to at least understand their motivations and has her own beliefs and pick Naruto's side because she beliefs the same rather than common sense.
 
Naruto and Sasuke got their resolutions about the Shinobi and as a main character Sakura deserved that too and she didnt received it.
 
TL;DR
A powerup or Sage for Sakura doesnt justify because she doesnt have motivations or goals to do so.

 
To me, she always seemed to tow the line between protagonist and being just another another member of the Rookie collective depending on the current situation of the plot. Usually when Team 7 is the highlight of a scene she is present, but at other moments that pertain to other conflicts of the story like the Akatsuki or the contentious issue of fulfilling the age-old question of achieving peace which has been a major goal of many characters (friend and foe alike), she is noticeably absent. It's unlike Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi who all have a stake in these aspects of the manga. 
 
I'm not sure if it's a result of Kishi not being able to find a specific role to give her in these issues or if it's an attempt to drive home the normalcy of her character by making her participation limited only to matters that personally involve her and her closest friends.

In the way of power-ups and fighting achievements, she probably won't ever reach the exact same level as Naruto and Sasuke. Not when you take into account the historical figures that they're intended to represent and their greater prominence in the manga.