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#121 ramenanmitsu

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:44 PM

It would seem so and I'm sorry but its some of the dumbest kitten I've heard. How does the life of little Katsuyu tie in with that of the ninja she was healing. If anything, I bet the nin likely died before her clones did. There were panels showing them being sucked DRY. Now, how in the frack does Katsuyu and Sakurs get even an ounce of the blame when they were gonna die any damn way. Hell, Naruto's chakra had more to do with them dying that a small ass slug since the tree felt it was appetizing. -_- I can't believe blame is actually being thrown her way tbh...

I'm actually laughing at all this ridiculous blame on Sakura. This is just grasping at straws to get a chance to bash Sakura for anything at all. For every single chapter there will always be something to blame/bash/degrade Sakura. Why am I not surprised? 


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:46 PM

I'm actually laughing at all this ridiculous blame on Sakura. This is just grasping at straws to get a chance to bash Sakura for anything at all. For every single chapter there will always be something to blame/bash/degrade Sakura. Why am I not surprised? 

I think the same it's so ridiculous that i'm not even touching on this subject to discuss it's just hate really.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:46 PM

I'm actually laughing at all this ridiculous blame on Sakura. This is just grasping at straws to get a chance to bash Sakura for anything at all. For every single chapter there will always be something to blame/bash/degrade Sakura. Why am I not surprised? 

Who's blaming Sakura?

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:46 PM

Slug is a living being who has chakra. The tree seek nourishment in the form of chakra for flower to blossom. So it's inventible for katsuyu part to get suck and dead. It's not the sakura/her jutsu false.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:48 PM

Who's blaming Sakura?

 

NH's + her haters ;)


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#126 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:49 PM

 
NH's + her haters ;)

Really....I feel like making extras on my review....

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 17 September 2013 - 01:49 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:51 PM

Slug is a living being who has chakra. The tree seek nourishment in the form of chakra for flower to blossom. So it's inventible for katsuyu part to get sucked and dead. It's not the sakura/her jutsu false.

 

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Okay, so now we have Obito touching everyone and his tree is sucking on everybody...why I am laughing so hard?

 

 

 

Really....I feel like making extras on my review....

 

Talk about the cycle of hatred, amIrite? It's funny, up until the point it was mentioned, the thought never even crossed my mind. I have to really wonder if the own fandom causes it's own grief sometimes.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:52 PM

I'm actually laughing at all this ridiculous blame on Sakura. This is just grasping at straws to get a chance to bash Sakura for anything at all. For every single chapter there will always be something to blame/bash/degrade Sakura. Why am I not surprised?


Same here. It's even more ridiculous when its as plan as day. Some people dig when theres absolutely no need to. And how did Naruto dodge this bullet when it was outright stated he had some part in it the nin being sought out in the first place. There was no line that said Katsuyu was fused with the nins chakra nor was it stated that they died because/when she did. I can't believe this is one of the hot topics but then again, if Sakura is the hot topic...-_-

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

Same here. It's even more ridiculous when its as plan as day. Some people dig when theres absolutely no need to. And how did Naruto dodge this bullet when it was outright stated he had some part in it the nin being sought out in the first place. There was no line that said Katsuyu was fused with the nins chakra nor was it stated that they died because/when she did. I can't believe this is one of the hot topics but then again, if Sakura is the hot topic... -_-

 

*goes into fangirl mode* Even when she's not really included that much in a chapter, she always is. Everyone can't stop talking about her, because that's how popular and great she is. Even Sasori loved her, and he probably thought her punches were awesome too. What a khaleesi. :th_yeah:


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

Talk about the cycle of hatred, amIrite? It's funny, up until the point it was mentioned, the thought never even crossed my mind. I have to really wonder if the own fandom causes it's own grief sometimes.

Bolded: That how it really is.


Edited by T XD, 17 September 2013 - 01:58 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

Really....I feel like making extras on my review....

 

Don't do it - its really a waste of time.


"We live in a world that is so quick to convince us to ignore our feelings. Feeling stressed? Get a massage. Feeling angry? Go to the bar with your friends and blow off steam. Feeling lonely? Meet someone in cyberspace and have a conversation on the computer. Depressed? Take a pill. Anxiety? Take 2 pills. Feeling happy? Well, by George, don’t talk about that because no one likes a bragger. Same with being sad, no one likes a Debbie Downer. But, heaven FORBID, that you actually TALK about your feelings and process them in a healthy way."
 
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#132 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:58 PM

Review is up!

 

Review

 

At this rate, I may do another video, so long I get more sources of BS around here and there and Sakura is one...I wish I can find that clip where the guy just say, "kittening People" but I am not that cruel.........



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:58 PM

@james
Base on what katsuyu said, than yes that's what my understanding.
Or
Because the slug attach to the shinobi when they got suck, katsuyu part get suck too.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:59 PM

 

Don't do it - its really a waste of time.

You're right....But I could address other parts. I don't know....



#135 Atheck

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:05 PM

Actually, Atheck, if you want to blame anyone, blame Naruto. Seeing how he shared his nine-tails chakra with everyone and they resonated with it.


You have to remember that every single person in the Alliance was given that chakra, not just a select few people. The only ones who didn't have it by that point were Tobirama, Hiruzen, Madara, and Hashirama. Unless it's clarified that Naruto chose to siphon greater or lesser amounts of chakra to certain people then everyone would have received an equal quantity. Which balances out the appeal of the chakra and changes nothing about the willingness of the tree to preferentially single out a person that has the shroud. That is if you're only taking into consideration the bijuu's shroud and not their own personal reserves.

Naruto, Minato, Killer Bee, and Sakura would be the prime targets if the tree was factoring in both the availability of bijuu chakra and their own natural pools.

If this was the logic Kishi was abiding by then the tree should be hunting the zombies mostly since their reserves are "infinite" thanks to Edo Tensei.
 

Killer Bee showed that the tree is really attracted to the tailed beast chakra. So if everyone has a high intensity of it and the tree seeks it out like candy, then Naruto might as well put a sign on their backs saying "Eat me."


That's bad for Killer Bee mostly since he happens to have the chakra of two different bijuu. Having those unique sources is bound to make you noticeable if you're standing around the riff-raff. As for the others, the chakra does act as a signal to the tree, but it shouldn't change how susceptible any particular one of them are since they apparently received the same share of Kurama's chakra.

In layman's terms, they're all equally screwed. Unless the tree is able to distinguish between who has the greater natural chakra amounts from the shroud's boost.
 

Either way it is all unintentional.


That it is. No one in the manga except Madara could have foreseen Tobi summoning up a gigantic chakra sucking tree from the Jubi.
 

Nothing for nothing, but why is it always you, Darkrerst, or Codus always the first ones to point out the "bad" of Sakura even when there was nothing bad to behold? I am really curious by this. Do you have some deep down hatred for Sakura or something? Just to let you know, the only accusations here are the ones you are proposing. I don't really care what the NH fans say because they will say anything at this point.


It's not so much criticism as it is acknowledgement of the gripes people have and trying to assess if there's even a smidge of truth to anything they say. Much of the arguing stems from personal grievances, I'll admit, but it's not without purpose. In a way, I would argue that it's a dissection of her character. To try and assess what are valid perfections or faults.

When I say that her strength is "mediocre", I mean that in the same context as it being "par for the course". Because that's the level of strength which we see from most people with Kage level abilities (be it through ninjutsu, taijutsu, kenjutsu, genjutsu, ect.). When I argue that Sakura lacks the natural reserves of stamina and spiritual energy to handle Sage Mode, I consider what the manga has to say concerning it. I would like to believe that both of those arguments hold more validity and reason than any sort of belittling people make based off their own inherent hatred for her character.

Again, I don't hate Sakura at all. She's my second favorite character in the manga. But at the same time I'm not going to dismiss any perceived flaws just because I respect or hold her in high regard. But if those flaws are accurately refuted then that's all well and good. For what it's worth, the criticisms Sakura was receiving and Hinata's deification are the reasons I joined the forum in the first place.
 

@Atheck. Now I'm going to ask you that same question from before: Is it still accurate to blame Katsuyu or Sakura for those deaths,


Considering the situation that Katsuyu was placed in by connecting Its chakra to theirs, I would argue that there's something more to it than whatever is used in the rehashed claims of "uselessness" that dissidents make to discredit her without holding in regard what she has accomplished.
 

considering that the first set of people who died didn't seem to have Katsuyu on them?


You're referencing a situation that has no importance in this. Whatever befell those people isn't relevant to Katsuyu and the fallen shinobi that she was attached to.
 

Which means, having Katsuyu doesn't shorten or increase your chances of survival, does it? So...is it still fair? What do you think?


It can either be a saving grace like in Tsunade's situation or a misfortune (arguably) like the situation in the current chapter might be implying. Having that sort of connection or dependency on an outside source can make you susceptible to dangers that would otherwise not be a problem for you.

Say for instance if for whatever reason Ma and Pa stopped moulding sage chakra for Jiraiya in his fight with Pain. They continue to gather natural energy but they're not refining it to make it stable or usable. Their bodies are petrified and because of the fusion Jiraiya becomes stone as well since he wouldn't be able to mould the chakra himself as he's battling. Who's responsibility is it in that situation?

Edited by Atheck, 17 September 2013 - 02:35 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:06 PM

Obito sure loves some sucking though and he did it for free too.



 


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:10 PM

I dont get why Naruto is constantly getting encouragement and the same idea being enforced over and over, i kind of agree with Atheck on this matter, it's the 3 or 4rd time that Naruto goes back and forth on the same subject.


3 or 4 times in this arc. Let alone the rest of the series. I agree that it's baffling as to why he needs to keep finding insperation from outside sources. It is hopeless about their chances? Is he listening to Obito? Again! You'd figure by this point he could find that within himself. Instinct to survive, Naruto? What about the point that the guy advertising all the solutions if the source of your problems?

I just don't undertand the crisis of confidence. Again.

Naruto is supposed to be the hero who stands up and succeeds despite the odds. It would be boring and flat if he never showed weakness, but several times in the same arc and over and over throughout he keeps having to watch others stand up and then he follows. I would think be now he would not need that every time there is a crisis.

As Atheck said, it loses it's effect when it happens all the time and they end up looking like the leaders instead of Naruto. It's one thing for it to happen and learn and grow from it, but it's like Hinata, we see that growth happen only to constantly step back to the same place so we can do it all again. It's getting old.
 

Karin is really just a joke, and I don't think Kishimoto wants to write more about her for the time being.


I agree. Her treatment has been embarassing to watch. However, Team Not Seven on the whole has always been a cast of characters in search of a purpose they can never seem to find. Karin had one for a moment, but that's it. As characters, they have been a disaster from their inception (which made no sense given Sasuke's mind set) to now (where they lack purpose and are even stink as moral support characters). I think they should have just been left in jail. That way, he doesn't have to write about them (we know where they are) and he doesn't have to worry about the consequences of them dying (specifically Karin).
 

I agree that Shikamaru probably won't die, his situation is likely to reinforce Sakura's determination.


I agree. Don't think he's dead, Don't think he's going to die, and in the off chance he does, he will be brought back to life.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:10 PM

About 10 episodes in the Anime :D
 

Yeah but full of fights, we got 30 chapters with way more talking and some small fight parts.

It's the 5th time that they say "Lets'go" to fight and in the end goes back to more talking, third time that Naruto says "let's go" i'm starting to wonder when they are going to fight and this is hilarious.

 

Naruto + sage mode in a matter of two panels we got more talking was unforgetable.

My general feeling is that due to the huge amount of talking, i'm not eager to this fight anymore i'm just hoping for this to end soon because it's boring.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 September 2013 - 02:15 PM.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:19 PM

@nateriver
I called it kishi treatment. The same thing happen when fandom questioning sakura status as heroine from pain arc and naruto status as lead title character at the start of part two until immortal arc.

@atheck
So is it sakura fault or not?

Edited by rocci, 17 September 2013 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:28 PM

I'm actually laughing at all this ridiculous blame on Sakura. This is just grasping at straws to get a chance to bash Sakura for anything at all. For every single chapter there will always be something to blame/bash/degrade Sakura. Why am I not surprised? 

 

I think they can't wait to have Shikamaru die so they can blame Sakura. Or call her useless.

 

Which makes me wonder and have to ask those the Japanese suspect that Sakura along with Karin and probably Tsunade will try to revive the dead somehow?

 

Seeing Shikamaru near death may mean that the shinobi still have a chance to survive. Not saying all of them have to be resurrected but at least a few. Otherwise if Shikamaru dies he would be dieing in the hands of probably the best medics/healers the world had to offer.

 

I'm amazed at how much chakra Naruto can asspull. It's about his 4th time since he was shown all exhausted but here comes a confidence boost and Naruto is charged at 100%. Nevermind the fact that those that weren't caught in the tree branches still had the cloak on them. Even Hashirama had it.

 

Now about the speech. Actually I think it's meaningless. Naruto recovered because Sasuke taunted him not because of the speech. It won't help the alliance one bit. The only thing it accomplished is create a bond of solidarity with Naruto that could help him defeat Obito.

 

But It does somehow underline the main characters of the next volume.

 

There are 2 main players that right now are opposing Obito. Naruto and Hashirama. Sasuke isn't going to stand idle but will fight with Naruto. As for Hashirama he will probably either try to aid Naruto and Sasuke or fight Madara.

The other hokages were pushed aside. We didn't even see Tobirama. Probably they will do something in the next 15 minutes (aka next volume) but apart from Tobirama that has a beef with Madara I don't think we will see too much.

Anyway compared to 637 we see that this time only Sasuke and Naruto are the ones who will be fighting Obito. And it's intriguing because this 2 are the ones who Obito influenced the most. Obito killed Naruto's parents and also influenced Sasuke so both have a beef with them and again there's a certain bridge formed betwen the 2 ( Naruto and Sasuke) regarding the fight to save everything.

 

Edit: Btw why no Shikatema???????


Edited by Dkey, 17 September 2013 - 02:36 PM.





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