It all goes back to my initial thoughts that I presented around the forum, sometime ago. So, my point here was that following the rules of Frog Sage Mode, Sakura would possibly handle it. However, might I add that the rules for each Sage Mode are different. It's a thing that I recently discovered, so to speak, while re-reading the manga. It was something going through my mind for quite some time, but re-reading the manga, those previous ideas, BluestarSaber's observation and Morgaine4's observations as well + studying again some manga situations, I have come to the conclusion that each Sage Mode is different.
It wouldn't be incorrect to argue that the potential for varying prerequisites is there, but nothing has been definitively proven or demonstrated so it's limited to the realm of conjecture until further notice. The characteristics of everyone who has achieved Sage Mode were all in keeping with the explanation that Fukasaku provided. Jiraiya, Naruto, and Hashirama all possessed incredible reserves of stamina and power as well as having indomitable willpower and strong bodies. Kabuto artificially modified himself to accommodate those neccessities and his school of senjutsu is different than Naruto's.
There was never any hinting of uniqueness to the frogs and their sage arts with this process. When Fukasaku was revealing how to create sage chakra, he only spoke of the technicalities relating to chara's conversion. It was a fairly straightforward explanation with little to no room for varying interpretations and the generality of said explanation indicates that it's not exclusive to one school of senjutsu.
Yes, that is what it seems to be the Byakugo seal. Besides the evidence presented by you, simply put, Byakugo seal is a fuuinjutsu, acting like a storage device. You simply store your chakra into it. In order to store the chakra, you must go through the process of focusing part of your chakra in that exact point for 3 years in order to get it.
Which brings this situation to the fact that Sakura's chakra is concentrated on her forehead instead of the area which chakra is produced. For her to develop sage chakra she would need to internally transport this energy to the chakra producing organs and she only has so much chakra that can be siphoned before her supply is depleted. This Sage Mode transformation would exist for an even shorter amount of time than the Byakugou since it requires an incredible amount of chakra to develop.
Actually, chakra is created by the cells in each organs as it's show by Sakura's explanation.
Cells that have attached to them chakra tubes like explain by Tsunade back in 346 when they were discussing RasenShuriken's risks.
What Tsunade was describing is the chakra pathway system which is connected to the cells. The panel you provided merely shows the distribution of the vessels in skin cells.
The vessels are connected to cells but she never never made any statement that production occurs anywhere else besides the chakra producing organs. It doesn't contradict Lee's explanation which Sakura made no effort to discredit or argue against.
Notice that she is only describing the usage of chakra, not its creation. The principals of FRS, besides its destructive force, is that it severs the network of the victim, rendering them powerless to use any jutsu or chakra. In that respect, it's quite similar to the Hyuga's techniques which are capable of seeing the tenketsu and sealing the pathway system.
From what it seems in the Frog Sage mode, yes, sage chakra would be anatomically centered in the chest area, however, we have had Naruto's case, in which his chakra would be centered in his belly area.
So I guess it depends?
It's the same general area of the body. The only discrepancy lies in the fact that two diagrams in question are separated by hundreds of chapters where artistic changes were made in the manga. An example of the contradictory styles is the headbands. In the beginning the metal plating was very wide and pronounced. Yet if you glance over current drawings of them you will see that it's visually smaller and concentrated in the centre of the forehead. The placement of the circular portion of the network might very well be experiencing the same situation.
What Sakura would need to do, is just release the chakra in her body and then gather natural energy within her, if the case of SSM is similar to FSM. I will explain later why I think they're different.
Considering that most sage users have been contractually bound to the summons whom they learned from, and since this recent chapter it's understood that Katsuyu requires a much greater amount of chakra to summon than conventional summonings, might it be possible that slug senjutsu is as equally burdensome to one's chakra supplies? Considering that natural energy is acquirable through a natural substance of Mount Myoboku, which in turn transforms the user into a specific animal, Shikkotsu Forest might contain a similar substance which correlates to the natural energy in it being unique and if Katsuyu is indeed an animal sage then she must possess incredible amounts of chakra to be able to endure the effects. Her size, which is composed of innumerable amounts of cells that would realistically contain physical energy, might attest to a greater necessity of large chakra reserves for the state.
I don't need to point out the similarities between Hashirama's senjutsu abilities and Katsuyu. His chakra levels were unrivaled by anyone. By all accounts he's the only man capable of matching Kurama in sheer stamina. Stamina which might very well have made it viable for him to summon Katsuyu entirely.
And yes, it's possible. Once you release the chakra, it goes directly into your body. What Tsunade did in Pein arc is released her chakra from her seal and poured it all into Katsuyu, so basically, first, her chakra went through her body and then transmitted it to Katsuyu in order to heal the civilians. So yes, it's possible.
We don't know any of the particulars for how this transference occurs. All that was explained is that Katsuyu is remotely connected to the power of Tsunade's seal. The chakra could very well be directly acquired by Katsuyu from the seal without any distribution throughout the network being necessary. She was in a physically unstable condition when healing the Kages, enough so where she couldn't even maintain her transformation jutsu despite having chakra stored within her seal. It's reasonable to assume that circulation in the pathway system may not have been all that great.
Besides Naruto, Hashirama and Sasuke, we're not sure of their capacity of chakra production. With Juugo we just know he attracts Natural Energy, that's how his body is made, but we don't know how much chakra he has.
Well Juugo's temperament was affected whenever he attracted natural energy to himself. It was apparently the result of him being unable to properly balance the energy with his chakra. Now whether that's the result of his chakra control being sub-par or if his reserves aren't great enough to counterbalance the energy is unknown.
If you're referring to Kabuto, he utilized the 3 of them in order to make his body stronger, not to have larger chakra. As presented, Snake Sage Mode requires a strong body, that's why Orochimaru wasn't able to become a Sage and Kabuto was. Because Kabuto utilized other's DNA to posses a stronger body, not a larger chakra reserve.
Being in possession of a Senju/Uzumaki's chakra or DNA grants an increase to a person's natural supply. It was through Karin's DNA which Kabuto had implanted that enabled him to master snake senjutsu. Without it his stamina is only listed at 3, that being only half a point higher than Sakura's which obviously cannot manage the natural energy by itself without the assistance of a chakra reservoir.
If you're looking for discrepancies between the sage schools then I refer you to the first responce of this post. The accumulative process addresses how sage chakra is created in general and there's nothing contradicting this.
The way Sakura would be able to draw Sage chakra, if the SSM has the same requirements, she'd have to release the seal, have all that chakra in her body and then after drawing it, mold all together for Sage chakra.
Yes, but for a transformation that only remains for a very short period of time? Admittedly, I am shifting from the argument over the technicalities but it's equally as valid. For this senjutsu state to take place she would need to allocate a large portion of her chakra for conversion.
Now the Byakugou isn't stated to require a large expenditure of chakra to maintain, only when you're regenerating does it become costly. It would be even less effective in a battle since a constant meditative pose is necessary and the form would presumably last an even shorter amount of time compared to Byakugou. The end result is a more powerful, yet impractical form that involves more consequence and sacrifice than benefit.
Sage chakra isn't augmented, sage chakra is used to augment your own chakra. That's the point of it. Instead of utilizing your own chakra, the chakra that the body produces and uses, therefore, you can get tired, you use the sage chakra, therefore by using it, the one who utilizes it has the means to last longer in a battle.
It's even explained in the training by Fukasaku.
Senjutsu helps in recovering from injuries sustained in battle. It's not a supplement that allows someone to continue fighting even when they're exhausted. That would contradict how chakra formulation occurs since you need to balance physical, spiritual, and natural energy in order to access Sage Mode. If someone is exhausted then that would mean that they are running low on chakra or the two components that comprise it. A circumstance which would logically make senjutsu impossible since it requires enormous amounts of chakra to balance.
Yes, it is possible. As shown in the previous picture with Naruto when he concentrates his chakra from the belly he then channels it into his whole body.
Thank you for the responce.
Plus, think about it, Sakura's own battle type depends on channeling her chakra. Meaning, she channels her chakra from a part of the body and releases it into her fist for example. So if this works, so does viceversa.
That isn't exactly unique to only her. Any jutsu that is emitted from a specific body part implies that they're distributing chakra to that area for emission. It's a commonplace trait which doesn't lend any credence to the idea of Sakura learning senjutsu.
To make an analogy, think about water. You have it in a bucket and then when you throw it out it spreads to a surface. Same principle here.
Hope you got the analogy as I kinda suck at explaining, lol.
I have one of my own. Think of the Rasengan or summoning. Both entail the usage of the shinobi's hands. In the former, shape manipulation is necessary to create the physical substance that is Rasengan and the latter is similar in principal to water walking since you're transmitting chakra via the extremities of a limb to another substance.
With all due respect, I think you're wrong in this particular thinking. Yes, her primary role is acting as a medic operative for her squad, however, the fact that she's not just a regular medic ninja, just like her master, already breaks this pattern. By this thinking, Tsunade shouldn't have learned all those ninja techniques because her primary role is a medic. However, she did, which allows her to act as a combat ninja.
I mentioned that they trained in offensive jutsu and combat skills as a secondary profession. They're capable of fighting but it's second nature to them compared to their duties as a medical ninja. Generally they only fight if they're forced to. In fact, defencive combat was one of the major aspects of Sakura's training which emphasised survivability through evasion. What it all boils down to is the system that Kishi has established in the manga where the medical ninja is instructed to remain on the side lines and allow for the combat types to protect them since they're one of the most valuable assets of the team.
Also, we mustn't forget it's the same resolve she passed down on Sakura.
I'm not really concerned about resolve since their medical duties evidently take precedence even when they have the justification and means with which to engage in fighting. As I said, fighting is only a secondary profession for them. Assisting the team will always be the most important matter from the mentality of a medical shinobi.
Take a look at Kabuto. He was a primary a medical ninja as well, but that didn't stop him from learning Sage Mode.Why should it be a reason for Sakura? Plus, we don't know yet what Slug Sage Mode does in order to decide if it's inessential or not.
Kabuto spent many years under Danzo's authority as a spy and assassin for Konoha; similar to Kakashi's Anbu years actually whom he was compared to. It's only natural that he would be instructed on how to fight. He was also under Orochimaru's wing and he apparently was given some form of training by him if the snake summonings in P1 are any indication.
For the vast majority of the manga's life, Sakura has been trained to act and think like a medical shinobi. She entrusts the fighting to her teammates who in turn protect her from any dangers that may choose to target her. Her training has never really placed a sole emphasis on combat alone like fighting in Danzo's disreputable organization would.
I think it would be more appropriate to say that Kabuto is half and half for fighting directly versus acting as the support. Sakura is primarily support with some knowledge and capability in how to defend herself but it's nothing that is too advanced.
Once again, with all due respect, I think you're wrong. Sage techniques are described as techniques that help you last longer in battle, not necessarily focus on shinobi who act as the main offensive force.
Sage Mode is the antithesis of prolonged fighting. In order to access it you need to assume a defenceless position and gather natural energy to convert into a substance that will only last for a momentary period of time before being expended. It's incredibly impractical when you're fighting without any assistance from allies and if you don't have a fused partner providing a constant stream of natural energy to yourself then you become easily susceptible to the enemy's attacks as you're meditating.
It's clearly expressed here that without anyone assisting you that the mode becomes difficult to enter. You can see the impracticality of it when you're the only fighting against the enemy. 
Fukasaku himself admitted that Sage Mode isn't a state that can be held indefinitely. It's a major risk of having the form. Narratively and technically it's like the Kaioken of Naruto next to the Inner Gates.
If that would've been the case, don't you think we would have a mention? Just because the Frog Sage Mode happened to be mastered by Jiraiya/Naruto who were more the offensive types, that doesn't mean that it's a rule generally available for everyone.
No such rule is existent, but acting and thinking as a medical operative first can deter someone from advancing in combat skills since their capacity to heal more efficiently and quickly would become the focal point of their studies; it's a division of interests. It's like comparing the vast array of Jiraiya and Orochimaru's techniques, experience, and aptitude against Tsunade's combat skills which, quite frankly, seem relatively linear and straightforward.
As explained by Fukasaku, Sage Techniques are techniques that makes one last longer when in battle, who augment all your initial taijutsu, ninjutsu or genjutsu.
I think you misinterpreted what he said or if that's the actual context which Kishi was using then he contradicted his own character's previous explanation. Either way, Sakura would be limited to the amount of chakra that she can contribute for senjutsu whenever she is able to find a moment in the heat of battle to meditate.
And with the fact that Sakura is not just a medical nin, she's also a combat one, that leaves enough interpretation or whatever you want to name it, that she would acquire sage mode.
Not exactly, I explained earlier that combat is only a second profession which she mainly uses in the effort to keep herself alive. The comparison with Kabuto has a few unaddressed variables which I pointed out above.
Edited by Atheck, 18 October 2013 - 09:29 PM.
btw, which chapter is the image from? does anybody know?
