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[Inferno180]

only way too complete that Rin= sakura is when sakura sacrifice for the one she loves  naruto or sasuke   who will it be. if kishi is going that route ofc

Sakura could always pull a sacrifice but just be injured, no knowing for sure but she will live, otherwise we team 7 really just suffers the same fate as team minato if sakura died. She is not going to die escpially due to her importance in the story. Sakura will be okay in the end.

[narusakurama]

Interesting chapter , and nice plot twist with Obito becoming the jinchuuriki of the 10 tails . Kind of like in the movie  

 

Anyway , seeing as Madara does not seem to be in the least bothered about it , leads me to believe that there is a lot more to being the jinchuuriki of the 10 tails than just simply sealing the beast . And I think that Obito is still not aware of many things regarding this whole thing Probably the only thing that Madara told him is that he needs to be the jinchuriki for the moon eye plan to work , but nothing other than that . I expect  that ,  just like with any other jinchuuriki , the beast will not be happy about being sealed and will surely not cooperate with its host.

 

Other potential issues are that Obito's rinnegan is  borrowed and not his own , the 10 tails was not in final form nor is it truly complete , missing the 8 and 9 tails. I think Obito really has no idea what he got himself into  and he bit a lot more than he can chew , but guess that remains to be seen . 

[Dragunov]

[Dragunov]

Omg so many parallels

[arian_rad]

Omg so many parallels

Dude lmfao

[T XD]

@Dragunov: That's an interesting way to put it XD

[Verme]

I'm loving the character development Naruto has been receiving these latest chapters. I mean, his dead father showed up then Sasuke appeared saying he is going to be Hokage and Naruto didn't make any over the top reaction like he would some years ago. This chapter he was the only one calm enough to figure what Obito was planning.

He's become alot smarter than most people give him credit for.

[HauntedCake]

Edited by HauntedCake, 03 July 2013 - 08:15 PM.

[Atheck]

It's their role. We don't know what Sakura might do in the upcoming chapters. The battle is somewhat far from over. For now, she engaged in battle showing the brute strength of her seal and the healing power. Do we know what she might do and what she got up in her sleeves regarding her seal in the upcoming chapters?

Are there any additional techniques or evolutions to the seal? Has Sakura made reference to any remaining functions of the chakra reserved on her forehead? No, because at the moment she is capitalising on what faculties of the White Strength Seal we known of. Whatever theory that the fandom conceptualises remains unproven until Kishi makes an allusion or confirmation in the manga.
 

It doesn't stop here for her.

Prove it. Offer some form of evidence that can legitimise any inkling of further involvement in this conflict for Sakura.
 

What Naruto and Sasuke done was their role in this fight when she was doing the healing. Not to mention that it needs to be shown Naruto and Sasuke doing a combo attack.

All three of them have already completed their respective duties. The difference is that Naruto and Sasuke have shifted their attention from completing a combined attack to readying themselves for Tobi's resurgence when the Jubi completes its assimilation into his body. Sakura, on the other hand, has not sought out any additional goals for herself. She has assumed a passive role entirely as the Alliance's healer.

The wording at the end of chapter 633 as she summoned Katsuyu attests to a continued role as medic.
 

The question you asked here, you have a point. But, don't you think that maybe Kishi is holding her back because he's saving her for later ?

Possibly, possibly not... I would like to believe that there will be additional contributions made by Sakura in this fight but I have no veriable discernment of the direction Kishi is intending for the story. No one excluding his editors and possibly Studio Pierrot have that sort of knowledge.
 

Maybe she's saving energy or something that this will be mentioned afterwards?

Another unfounded allegation with no evidence to prove itself. Sakura has not offered her services as a fighter since chapter 631. You see the flaw with this logic is that it implies that Sakura would abandon her role as the only medical personnel inside of the barrier who can reach the shinobi in order to restore them should they be injured during battle. There is a greater susceptibility for grievous injuries and it would resemble a dereliction of duty if Sakura abandoned her medical duties so she could fight again.

I detest Kishi's relegation of her character but there is some logic to the decision.
 

I think that Kishi wanted to show us her healing ability part from the seal to let us know how much it's great and to put the panels how it's done she using it.

Yes, she has been quite effective at doing so. The issue is that she has been inactive for three chapters. From what information we have she isn't even healing any of the Alliance members.
 

Plus, I return to also that Kishi picked to show her more of what she's going to do for later.

  
Yet another contrived theory with no evidence to be substantiated with. Sakura is choosing to remain back presumably so she can heal any wounds that the shinobi receive. I already explained this several responces above though so no further responce is necessary.
 

Okay, here, it's your view on the matter. But, I want to say to the inferior part as a protagonist regarding Sakura that each main character has to show what is planned for them as in character to show. For example, Sasuke has to show his rivalry, how he's against Naruto in the manga etc.

Sasuke has other functions that he can fulfill apart from being a rival as does Naruto. Sakura's goals are comparatively sparse and limited to only a few addressings after a considerable amount of time has passed. We saw this occur after the Sasuke and Sai arc where Sakura's role was limited to off-screen healing. Naruto and Sasuke have consistently have been treated as protagonists throughout most of the manga with only a few peculiar absences here and there.

You'll forgive me if I argue that Sakura's character has been neglected in previous arcs beyond the romance subplot.  
 

Like I said before, it doesn't stop here, and she doesn't have a place after her talk to Sai that things have turned to concentrate on Obito and his matter.

 
How about the fact that her teammates are in the struggle for their lives against the two most dangerous men in the world? Is that not enough incentive for Sakura to join them? No, it wouldn't be prudent as she would be sacrificing her duties as the only available medic despite the fact that she was last depicted as inactively standing on top of Katsuyu with a blank expression on her face
 

You're right. My assurance isn't enough. I'm thinking and talking logically what she would do in the upcoming chapters. Neither do I think that her other role for the turning event will be anytime soon.

So Sakura will experience a similar desertion that occurred in chapters 616 to 627. Her teammates and sensei are receiving an adequate amount of panel time but for some odd reason Sakura cannot. What, is there some inexpressible statute for how long she can appear in chapters before experiencing yet another dosage of obscurity? And some of you question why others would look upon Sakura as a side-character instead of a protagonist.
 

If those characters are now in move like how Kishi putted them to do now, it doesn't mean that we won't see her at all.

It'll just take another 3-12 chapters before finally reappearing in a few panels showing her reactions; nothing consequential but a depiction of how Sakura feels about something.
 

I'm not saying that her next move will be the next chapter or after the two next ones also. I'm saying that maybe we'll see her having a thought,

How does this honour the role of heroine or protagonist that Kishi wants his fans to associate with Sakura? A main character isn't defined by how many expressions they can give in a single chapter or what their sentiments are concerning a situation but by their actions and how they influence the world around them. Heroes prove their worth through actions.

It's challenging to consider Sakura a heroine sometimes when Kishi himself acknowledges that he has forgotten about her in the past. Comparative to her teammates and sensei, Sakura's accomplishments have been minor.
 

the other Kages will arrive to the battlefield and maybe an interaction with Tsunade or many other possibilities like these ones. Then her other role will come when everything as planned went through.

What "other role" are you referring to? If one of them chooses enter the fray then it would logically be Tsunade as she has much more experience in combat and has a more versatile offensive moveset. Not only that, she has a personal incentive to fight through her assurance to Naruto that the Kages would be the ones to defeat Madara.
 

I know that there's craving for Sakura big moments and solo ones too, but everything needs to take its place in the right moment.

Of course, the scarce moments that Sakura receives must be properly timed otherwise they will not seem as compelling. This negligence of Kishi's female characters is probably interconnected with his professed inability to properly draw a heroine.

I would like to know how sakuras absence for 2 chapters can be called "lack of apperance". We can even say that shes missing for 1 chapter since the last one was only focusing on kakashi and obito. That compalining really doesnt make much sense there.

The grievances mostly concern the future and what Kishi's prospects for Sakura are, if any. Her role at the moment is to act as a fully prepared healer should anyone become injured. But when does that function end so she can exploit the full benefits of the White Strength Seal? Sakura is apparently the only medic who can reach shinobi inside of the barrier. She's currently under some stringent circumstances that inhibit her ability to fight and even once Tsunade arrives there is a strong possibility that she'll choose to remain back as a healer because of her teacher having the superior battle intuition and abilities.

[PhenixElite]

 

The grievances mostly concern the future and what Kishi's prospects for Sakura are, if any. Her role at the moment is to act as a fully prepared healer should anyone become injured. But when does that function end so she can exploit the full benefits of the White Strength Seal? Sakura is apparently the only medic who can reach shinobi inside of the barrier. She's currently under some stringent circumstances that inhibit her ability to fight and even once Tsunade arrives there is a strong possibility that she'll choose to remain back as a healer because of her teacher having the superior battle intuition and abilities.

Wheres the proof that shes going to stay back as healer. If theres a reason for kishi to give her the seal then it was for her to able to fight, Just now because shes not fighting those 2 (actually 1 chapter where she could) doensnt mean that shes not going to in future chapters. Especially now after Obito turned into the main villain and they are going to need every strong fighter to attack.

 

Complaining about her absence for till now one chapter is far to early. Somehow reminds me about the complaining of sasuke becoming bad, some chapters later.... well

[Arachnia]

you know what i liked the most about this chapter that sasuke and minato thought Obito was done for and the evil smile on Obito's face and laughting right in the face of sasuke calling him traitor/judas and ofc the part where Naruto tells/saves them this was his plan all along priceless Because let's face it we never seen this coming.

 

i was all oh great now madara is all thats left in ten tails last chapter but look what happend

[Nate River]

It

Confuses the crap out of me how Obito was able to just willy nilly become the jinchuriki. I thought you needed to prepare some ritual seal, but Obito was like "Screw this, I'm sucking you right up".

 

Anyone else notice how Kishi is once again trying to bring home the fact that Naruto shouldn't give up on Sakura since Minato brought up the same topic in regards to Obito and Rin?

 

What do you know, Minato ships both NaruSaku and ObiRin.

 

I suppose we'll see next chapter, but both this chapter and last chapter make me wonder if Madara and Obito can do what they are doing why did either wait so long act?

[T XD]

Are there any additional techniques or evolutions to the seal? Has Sakura made reference to any remaining functions of the chakra reserved on her forehead? No, because at the moment she is capitalising on what faculties of the White Strength Seal we known of. Whatever theory that the fandom conceptualises remains unproven until Kishi makes an allusion or confirmation in the manga.

Prove it. Offer some form of evidence that can legitimise any inkling of further involvement in this conflict for Sakura.

Possibly, possibly not... I would like to believe that there will be additional contributions made by Sakura in this fight but I have no veriable discernment of the direction Kishi is intending for the story. No one excluding his editors and possibly Studio Pierrot have that sort of knowledge.

Another unfounded allegation with no evidence to prove itself. Sakura has not offered her services as a fighter since chapter 631. You see the flaw with this logic is that it implies that Sakura would abandon her role as the only medical personnel inside of the barrier who can reach the shinobi in order to restore them should they be injured during battle. There is a greater susceptibility for grievous injuries and it would resemble a dereliction of duty if Sakura abandoned her medical duties so she could fight again.

I detest Kishi's relegation of her character but there is some logic to the decision.

Yet another contrived theory with no evidence to be substantiated with. Sakura is choosing to remain back presumably so she can heal any wounds that the shinobi receive. I already explained this several responces above though so no further responce is necessary.

I don't have a proof. I told you that I'm just thinking and saying what logically could she do afterwards from what the story is showing us. Plus, to prove that Sakura won't have any further role in this conflict ? Do you think that she'll just sit back all the time watching the show ? Last time the ability she used from her seal is healing the alliance, and she's the only one inside the barrier that could heal quickly the whole alliance... So that means that she'll be all the time sitting and watching ?

I'm saying how that can't happen for Sakura. I'm seeing what she could possibly do in the future. I can't tell you specifically. I'm saying how the events will eventually make her move.

The information that you want to know about her techniques, you may know them in the upcoming chapters. You have a point that she have to do more seeing that before she arrived to the battlefield, she was absent many times. But, there's things now other than Sakura. How you're saying it is like Sakura have to be the center of everything in every event. Wanting Sakura here and there won't happen. Even the hero of the story isn't in every single action that has each character going through.
 

All three of them have already completed their respective duties. The difference is that Naruto and Sasuke have shifted their attention from completing a combined attack to readying themselves for Tobi's resurgence when the Jubi completes its assimilation into his body. Sakura, on the other hand, has not sought out any additional goals for herself. She has assumed a passive role entirely as the Alliance's healer.

The wording at the end of chapter 633 as she summoned Katsuyu attests to a continued role as medic.

Cause what Sakura should have to do with Obito in this moment ? Naruto and Sasuke just got to go to Obito, and just Sasuke landed in front of him so that he'll hear what Obito say to him and whatever concerning Obito that will lead to another thing.

Her priority in a fight is being a medic, but when she wants to fights, she does engage like we witnessed few chapters back.
 

Yes, she has been quite effective at doing so. The issue is that she has been inactive for three chapters. From what information we have she isn't even healing any of the Alliance members.

Sakura have to show up in every single chapter ? Even if she's the heroine, she doesn't have to. It's been just three chapters and possibly another two or so, so it doesn't mean that it's something not right for her. Kakashi before 636 hasn't been shown for a few chapters back cause it's not set for him to be shown, not to mention that he's not shown in 637 either... It doesn't mean that it's not right for him.

 

Sasuke has other functions that he can fulfill apart from being a rival as does Naruto. Sakura's goals are comparatively sparse and limited to only a few addressings after a considerable amount of time has passed. We saw this occur after the Sasuke and Sai arc where Sakura's role was limited to off-screen healing. Naruto and Sasuke have consistently have been treated as protagonists throughout most of the manga with only a few peculiar absences here and there.

You'll forgive me if I argue that Sakura's character has been neglected in previous arcs beyond the romance subplot.

Yes, Sakura's goals don't match with Sasuke's and Naruto's. I can only say that Kishi made her set of goals this way and that the romance subplot is one of her traits to the plot.
 

How about the fact that her teammates are in the struggle for their lives against the two most dangerous men in the world? Is that not enough incentive for Sakura to join them? No, it wouldn't be prudent as she would be sacrificing her duties as the only available medic despite the fact that she was last depicted as inactively standing on top of Katsuyu with a blank expression on her face

They have gone to do combo attack, then they're at ease. Afterwards, they tried to go stop Madara, but Sasuke landed right at Obito. They don't need to be saved, and she knows that they're handling the situation when it was the moment. It's how it's set for their role here. There's nothing I can add cause that's how it's settled.

 

It'll just take another 3-12 chapters before finally reappearing in a few panels showing her reactions; nothing consequential but a depiction of how Sakura feels about something.

For a single chapter each week and for a limited number of pages, well, yeah it will take for her to show up now like 3 to 5 chapters if for reactions, thoughts or any other thing like the other main characters as well when they don't have to do any showing up. Naruto, the protagonist of the story will be shown, but the other two can not be shown either.
 

How does this honour the role of heroine or protagonist that Kishi wants his fans to associate with Sakura? A main character isn't defined by how many expressions they can give in a single chapter or what their sentiments are concerning a situation but by their actions and how they influence the world around them. Heroes prove their worth through actions.

It's challenging to consider Sakura a heroine sometimes when Kishi himself acknowledges that he has forgotten about her in the past. Comparative to her teammates and sensei, Sakura's accomplishments have been minor.

True. They prove their worth through actions. Kishi chose to hold her back for now, so showing her reacting or anything won't be out of ordinary as we have to know what she thinks and/or saying till she make her next move.

And, yeah, her big accomplishments are few. What's set for her is set.
 

What "other role" are you referring to? If one of them chooses enter the fray then it would logically be Tsunade as she has much more experience in combat and has a more versatile offensive moveset. Not only that, she has a personal incentive to fight through her assurance to Naruto that the Kages would be the ones to defeat Madara.

The other role is when she's going to have another big moments with the event and possibly interacting with Obito. What may come to her next move.
Sakura can engage in battle anytime she wants. Tsunade arriving will have to do her work with the other Kages. It doesn't expel Sakura at all. Sakura have the skills and can fight. The alliance are healed, she can engage when she wants to. Plus, Tsunade being an obstacle for Sakura can't happen. It will show that Tsunade is going against her words that she taught her this technique so she can use it in battle, and for her to be able to fight more offensively.

Edited by T XD, 04 July 2013 - 10:13 AM.

[spring'scherryblossoms]

Well, this chapter was quick but it's very interesting. Looking forward to what Obito will do next. 

[soraandven]

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you know what i liked the most about this chapter that sasuke and minato thought Obito was done for and the evil smile on Obito's face and laughting right in the face of sasuke calling him traitor/judas and ofc the part where Naruto tells/saves them this was his plan all along priceless Because let's face it we never seen this coming.

 

i was all oh great now madara is all thats left in ten tails last chapter but look what happend

yeah i felt that obito was saying ok haters you thought my plan was the moon right wrong my real plan was to become the juubi

[ladyannelise]

considering how Rin still affects Obito, i await the day when Naruto use his talk-no-jutsu..

[sushi.]

considering how Rin still affects Obito, i await the day when Naruto use his talk-no-jutsu..

Considering how Rin still affects Obito, I wonder if her parallel can affect him too?

It's possible.

[Gravenimage]

Wheres the proof that shes going to stay back as healer. If theres a reason for kishi to give her the seal then it was for her to able to fight, Just now because shes not fighting those 2 (actually 1 chapter where she could) doensnt mean that shes not going to in future chapters. Especially now after Obito turned into the main villain and they are going to need every strong fighter to attack.

 

Complaining about her absence for till now one chapter is far to early. Somehow reminds me about the complaining of sasuke becoming bad, some chapters later.... well

 

This^ one chapter that Sakura doesn't show up and some are complaining and quickly jumping to conclusions that she's going to stand in the side lines healing. Honestly give it a break until Kishi resume with the story because I agree there must be a reason why he gave Sakura the seal, it's not over yet. I bet Sakura's time to shine fighting has just begun.

[Hiraishin]

I thought Sakura was going to be relegated to fodder healing for another several chapters but this chapter changed my mind.

The parallels are going to be brought up and she will most likely appear soon. Kishi is constantly shoving down on our throats how Obito is similar to Naruto with his determination and his feelings for Rin. Those repeated Obito -> Rin panels are there for a reason. Sakura's lack of appearance now is the calm before the storm. And when Kishi shows a parallel, there is always a verbal confirmation.

Tsunade=Sakura by Chiyo, Jiraiya
Kushina=Sakura by Minato
Rin=Sakura by??

Jiraiya=Naruto by Nagato, Tsunade
Minato=Naruto by Kakashi, Jiraiya
Obito=Naruto by Kakashi, Obito

Orochimaru=Sasuke by Jiraiya
Kakashi=Sasuke by Gai, Kakashi

Fixed.

You may be right, though. Maybe Kishi's gearing up for a huge event to confirm the Sakura/Rin parallel?

And I'm sorry about that, cause I know how you hate parallels. xD

I imagine two ways.
1.) Obito sees Sakura and one of her expressions overlaps that of Rin.
2.) Obito sees Naruto and Sakura interact with each other and it reminds him of how he used to interact/how he wanted to interact with Rin.

Chances are small, but Sakura's existence itself may be the key to Obito's redemption.

I'd really like this tbh. It would really showcase her importance to the story, beyond what she already has. And the precedent's there, with Obito's love for Rin being emphasised again and again, when it's really not needed, and possibly being his only saving grace. I think it's believable.

That flashback moment has a strong connection to the one There is no doubt that Sakura has a bigger role with this Obito situation. My opinion is that Obito will confirm this parallel because he was in love with Rin. I noticed in the Tsuna parallel is made by Jiraiya, who was in love with Tsuna, and Kushina parallel was made by Minato who was her husband. Maybe ^^

Wow! Though I've always wanted Obito to be the one to confirm the parallel and thought it was likely he would be the one to do it, I didn't even notice those connections. You're very observant, haha. The possibility of Obito being the one to confirm the parallel has now increased, in my eyes, because of that revelation.

Considering how Rin still affects Obito, I wonder if her parallel can affect him too?

It's possible.

Very possible imo.

[Arachnia]

One thing i do hope that obito is really in control of things now, if you look close at the last panel you can see that 10 tails got obito his face and that kinda looked freaking wierd what i am saying now is i hope he gets an human body and not this freaking blob or is this not the case and am i seeing things here:P?