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[StriderC]

 

It's Byakugou seal, not Hyakugou no seal... Mangapanda and Mangastream just made epic fails.

So it's basically completely different from the seal Tsunade possesses. Would make since considering her seal actually boosted her powers to an insane degree. I guess it's safe to say that whatever she gains from here on out will be different from Tsunade? 

 

Also, I don't think Tsunade was incapable of learning this considering Shizune would of likely noted it. She only said she was incapable. 

 

I think Tsunade made have taught Sakura this technique because of the increase in power, and it doesn't have the drawbacks of the actual Byakugou jutsu. I think whatever she learns afterwards will be something that doesn't have the same terrible drawbacks as Tsunade's Creation Rebirth and Byakugou, but that's just my take on it.  

 

 

I wonder though.. Why did she make a reference to Tsunade's seal if their seals are different anyway. Her seal is stronger regardless of it she had to worry about her appearance or not. 

Edited by StriderC, 31 May 2013 - 03:21 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

So it's basically completely different from the seal Tsunade possesses. Would make since considering her seal actually boosted her powers to an insane degree. I guess it's safe to say that whatever she gains from here on out will be different from Tsunade? 

 

Also, I don't think Tsunade was incapable of learning this considering Shizune would of likely noted it. She only said she was incapable. 

 

I think Tsunade made have taught Sakura this technique because of the increase in power, and it doesn't have the drawbacks of the actual Byakugou jutsu. I think whatever she learns afterwards will be something that doesn't have the same terrible drawbacks as Tsunade's Creation Rebirth and Byakugou, but that's just my take on it.

 

 

I wonder though.. Why did she make a reference to Tsunade's seal if their seals are different anyway. Her seal is stronger regardless of it she had to worry about her appearance or not. 

Sakura wasn't making a reference to Tsunade' seal. Sakura was referencing to Tsunade's monstrous strength. 

 

Hashirama: What a monstrous strength!! That is probably more than Tsunade

Sakura: The amount I don't need to keep my youth!

 

Sakura was replying to Hashirama that her monstrous strength is stronger than Tsunade because unlike Tsunade, she doesn't use chakra to keep her youth. Therefore she can punch with full power. 

[megi]

Hm. Is there is confusion when using "strength" as the literal translation?

 

 豪 part of the Kanji is pronounced "gou", and the English literal translation would be these:

• overpowering/powerful
• strength
• great (ample, distinguished)
• Australia! <-- we will not use this one

This Kanji "gou" does not mean physical strength. So for instance, it would not make sense for you to say "He is strong (physically)" using this Kanji. You would however, use this Kanji to say something like "He is strong spirited". You also use this kanji for saying someone is a great person. Inner strength I suppose?

 

Let me give you another example: in Japanese, to say someone is rich as in a millionaire , they are called 富豪 aka "fugou"

That literally means "strength of wealth", or the more easily translated "great wealth".

 

It can clearly be seen with Tsunade's technique, it does not have to do anything with her physical strength.

"Strength of 100" which increase her healing ability by 100 fold.

 

Ah, sorry for my long post! I wanted to say that Sakura's seal is probably not an "offensive" seal.

And to my last point, we don't know how different or similar Sakura's and Tsunade's seals and abilities are! 

 

Do the seals do different things for Sakura and Tsunade? Perhaps.

But Sakura's monstrous strength due to her using her chakra to fullest potential. I believe Tsunade does this too. They are the same in this respect.

I don't think this means that everything Sakura gains from her seal will be different from Tsunade. I don't even know what the difference is besides the name of it! I think she'll have a healing technique. She is the disciple of the 5th afterall! 

[redragon88]

Sakura wasn't making a reference to Tsunade' seal. Sakura was referencing to Tsunade's monstrous strength. 

 

Hashirama: What a monstrous strength!! That is probably more than Tsunade

Sakura: The amount I don't need to keep my youth!

 

Sakura was replying to Hashirama that her monstrous strength is stronger than Tsunade because unlike Tsunade, she doesn't use chakra to keep her youth. Therefore she can punch with full power. 

 

I wasn't aware that the conversation went like that. Good to know.

 

So it might be that both Tsunade and Sakura were capable of such power all along, only that they didn't use it because with Tsunade she used it for youth and with Sakura she kept saving it for the seal.

 

Still, the amount of power boost is astronomical. Logically that would mean they only previously used around 10% of their chakra when punching since right now Sakura's power seems to have increased tenfold. That still feels weird to me so I want Kishi to further clarify what benefits Sakura's seal gives her.

 

It would seem kind of irresponsible to have previously used so little chakra when in a fight considering that as medic nins you need to stay alive at all costs.

[StriderC]

 

I wasn't aware that the conversation went like that. Good to know.

 

So it might be that both Tsunade and Sakura were capable of such power all along, only that they didn't use it because with Tsunade she used it for youth and with Sakura she kept saving it for the seal.

 

Still, the amount of power boost is astronomical. Logically that would mean they only previously used around 10% of their chakra when punching since right now Sakura's power seems to have increased tenfold. That still feels weird to me so I want Kishi to further clarify what benefits Sakura's seal gives her.

 

It would seem kind of irresponsible to have previously used so little chakra when in a fight considering that as medic nins you need to stay alive at all costs.

That doesn't sit well with me either considering Tsunade's of Senju and Uzumaki blood. Now, her regular chakra should be even more than Sakura's even though she's using the seal to keep up her appearance. Sakura's chakra was considered normal. I wish we knew how much chakra she uses just to keep up her constant appearance. Must be a boat load because as you've said, Sakura's power boost is "astronomical". What I wonder though is if Tsunade is capable of causing this amount of strength with a single punch. Looking at what she did there, I'd say she'd break through Susasnoo with little to no problem to be honest...

[Atheck]

If there are any unique characteristics to Sakura's seal that precludes Tsunade's Byakugou it will hopefully be the enhanced physical stats which others have theorized. Of course there should be some regenerative benefits but it would only seem appropriate for her to develop more effective combat skills since one of the underlying principals to her character has been to stand alongside her teammates in battle. Well now is the opportunity to reveal what she is truly capable of. Would her strength be magnified even further if she were to release the seal? Possibly, possibly not...

 

I just want Sakura to solidify her place as a Kage tier character.

[StriderC]

If there are any unique characteristics to Sakura's seal that precludes Tsunade's Byakugou it will hopefully be the enhanced physical stats which others have theorized. Of course there should be some regenerative benefits but it would only seem appropriate for her to develop more effective combat skills since one of the underlying principals to her character has been to stand alongside her teammates in battle. Well now is the opportunity to reveal what she is truly capable of. Would her strength be magnified even further if she were to release the seal? Possibly, possibly not...

 

I just want Sakura to solidify her place as a Kage tier character.

LOL I feel as though her strength is monstrous enough, and the focus should be on some of her other capabilities if she has anything. Healing jutsu is fine if she actually needs to heal, but as you've said, it'd be awesome if she gained an offensive jutsu. 

[catsi563]

Just re read the chapter again and I am noe further convinced that my original theory holds truth.

Sakura has not released the seal nor has she revealed her full power yet.

 

She is basically doing what she was able to do in part 1 channel chakra for speed--vrs ino in the chunin exams--and channel it for strength--part 2.

 

This is basically Sakura not having part of her chakra being drained for the seal. Shes just cutting loose now that the seal is fully charged and ready.

 

When she releases the seal shes going to skyrocket in power.

[megi]

I think it all depends on what about Sakura's seal is different from Tsunade's! We can only speculate for now.

 

All we know is that both of their seals had to be fed chakra. They hold chakra reservoirs. So both Sakura and Tsunade can reach even greater physical stats by just tapping into it! However, Tsunade uses her chakra bank to do Creation rebirth and Byakugou Jutsu. 

Sakura probably has a different set in mind that will use her seal to its potential.

 

Forming a Byakugou seal is def an S-level technique, Now that we've seen Sakura's true strength, and we haven't even seen the use of her chakra reserve, it's safe to say that Sakura is at least near Kage level in my opinion.

[Atheck]

LOL I feel as though her strength is monstrous enough, and the focus should be on some of her other capabilities if she has anything. Healing jutsu is fine if she actually needs to heal, but as you've said, it'd be awesome if she gained an offensive jutsu. 

 

It serves as verification to her dissidents that Sakura has indeed reached a new pinnacle of ability and strength. Some of these people continue to propound that Hinata could defeat her by closing her chakra points despite never having been depicted as being capable of seeing the tenketsu. Others will trivialize her progress by either arguing that other characters have been depicted as capable of using similar abilities or they will resort to red herring by claiming that Sakura is "annoying", "useless", or that she does not deserve this power. Or that it's too unexpected for it to be rationally argued for.

 

I want these people to be silenced by Sakura outmaneuvering, outrunning, and outperforming any of the other rookies. To have her be depicted as fighting alongside her teammates as an equal who can hold her own against the Jubi replicas.

[StriderC]

 

It serves as verification to her dissidents that Sakura has indeed reached a new pinnacle of ability and strength. Some of these people continue to propound that Hinata could defeat her by closing her chakra points despite never having been depicted as being capable of seeing the tenketsu. Others will trivialize her progress by either arguing that other characters have been depicted as capable of using similar abilities or they will resort to red herring by claiming that Sakura is "annoying", "useless", or that she does not deserve this power. Or that it's too unexpected for it to be rationally argued for.

 

I want these people to be silenced by Sakura outmaneuvering, outrunning, and outperforming any of the other rookies. To have her be depicted as fighting alongside her teammates as an equal who can hold her own against the Jubi replicas.

I couldn't agree with you more my friend. I hope she proves to the nonbelievers that she's definitely a top notch ninja who surpasses the other rookies in skill. The fact that she was able to learn an S ranked technique that Shizune couldn't speaks volumes and it shows us that her chakra control goes unmatched. As far as the Hinata winning comment goes, it's just ridiculous. The range of her attack has increased so if Hinata gets close to her to attack, Sakura will just strike the ground and screw up the terrain. Her punches are strong enough to pop fly her enemy. Hopefully the future chapters will shut them up since this one didn't. 

[Dkey]

Hm. Is there is confusion when using "strength" as the literal translation?
 
 豪 part of the Kanji is pronounced "gou", and the English literal translation would be these:

• overpowering/powerful
• strength
• great (ample, distinguished)
• Australia! <-- we will not use this one

This Kanji "gou" does not mean physical strength. So for instance, it would not make sense for you to say "He is strong (physically)" using this Kanji. You would however, use this Kanji to say something like "He is strong spirited". You also use this kanji for saying someone is a great person. Inner strength I suppose?
 
Let me give you another example: in Japanese, to say someone is rich as in a millionaire , they are called 富豪 aka "fugou"
That literally means "strength of wealth", or the more easily translated "great wealth".
 
It can clearly be seen with Tsunade's technique, it does not have to do anything with her physical strength.
"Strength of 100" which increase her healing ability by 100 fold.
 
Ah, sorry for my long post! I wanted to say that Sakura's seal is probably not an "offensive" seal.
And to my last point, we don't know how different or similar Sakura's and Tsunade's seals and abilities are! 
 
Do the seals do different things for Sakura and Tsunade? Perhaps.
But Sakura's monstrous strength due to her using her chakra to fullest potential. I believe Tsunade does this too. They are the same in this respect.
I don't think this means that everything Sakura gains from her seal will be different from Tsunade. I don't even know what the difference is besides the name of it! I think she'll have a healing technique. She is the disciple of the 5th afterall! 

So a more proper english translation would be :"great seal"? Or the reference to the colour white remains

[megi]

So a more proper english translation would be :"great seal"? Or the reference to the colour white remains

 

I still like the translation "white strength seal", but it can also mean "great white seal"...now that actually sounds like an animal hahaha

I just wanted to point out that strength in this context is not referring to physical strength

Edited by megi, 01 June 2013 - 04:12 AM.

[Dkey]

 
I still like the translation "white strength seal", but it can also mean "great white seal"...now that actually sounds like an animal hahaha
I just wanted to point out that strength in this context is not referring to physical strength

Aha ok thank you. So the word white is still there

[ramenanmitsu]

 

I wasn't aware that the conversation went like that. Good to know.

 

So it might be that both Tsunade and Sakura were capable of such power all along, only that they didn't use it because with Tsunade she used it for youth and with Sakura she kept saving it for the seal.

 

Still, the amount of power boost is astronomical. Logically that would mean they only previously used around 10% of their chakra when punching since right now Sakura's power seems to have increased tenfold. That still feels weird to me so I want Kishi to further clarify what benefits Sakura's seal gives her.

 

It would seem kind of irresponsible to have previously used so little chakra when in a fight considering that as medic nins you need to stay alive at all costs.

On the contrary, I don't mind that she didn't use all her power even if she had to survive as a medic nin. 

As it was shown with Tsunade and Sakura's flashback this chapter, Tsunade made it clear that Sakura was an exception from the other medic-nin. Therefore the usual medic-nin rules won't apply to Sakura.

I can accept that only using 10% of chakra for three years [even in a near-death situation] as a necessary sacrifice in order for her to surpass her master.  With great power comes great sacrifice. And Sakura paid it by prohibiting herself of using her full capabilities. 

 

HOWEVER, I find this unacceptable for the below reasons. 

1.) Fight with Sasori

This means that Sakura fought Sasori with only 10% of her capabilities. She was already fast enough to dodge his attacks on her own at the second half of her fight and destroy most of his puppets including the Third Kazekage puppet. Sasori is a S-class Akatsuki member who killed the "Third Kazekage" who is said to be the history's strongest. Sakura fighting Sasori with only 10% of capabilities and fairing well is unbelievable. 

 

2.) Comparison with Naruto

If what Sakura showed at the start of Shippuden was only 10% of her base capabilities, this makes her much more stronger than what base Naruto was at the time. In the Japanese forums people were saying that Kishi should have made Naruto stronger during the three years time-skip because it looks like his growth fades in comparison to how much Sakura has grown. I agree, and if that Sakura was only showing her 10%, Kishi should've made Naruto MUCH MORE stronger after the time-skip.

 

And due to her astronomical power-up the Japanese forums are now saying that she can destroy Sasuke's Susanoo fairly easily.

I want these people to be silenced by Sakura outmaneuvering, outrunning, and outperforming any of the other rookies. To have her be depicted as fighting alongside her teammates as an equal who can hold her own against the Jubi replicas.

If we want to silence them, we'd have to make Sakura the reincarnation of the Rokudo Sennin (Sage of the Six Paths), which ain't gonna happen. Period. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 01 June 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[nia1994]

 

On the contrary, I don't mind that she didn't use all her power even if she had to survive as a medic nin. 

As it was shown with Tsunade and Sakura's flashback this chapter, Tsunade made it clear that Sakura was an exception from the other medic-nin. Therefore the usual medic-nin rules won't apply to Sakura.

I can accept that only using 10% of chakra for three years [even in a near-death situation] as a necessary sacrifice in order for her to surpass her master.  With great power comes great sacrifice. And Sakura paid it by prohibiting herself of using her full capabilities. 

 

HOWEVER, I find this unacceptable for the below reasons. 

1.) Fight with Sasori

This means that Sakura fought Sasori with only 10% of her capabilities. She was already fast enough to dodge his attacks on her own at the second half of her fight and destroy most of his puppets including the Third Kazekage puppet. Sasori is a S-class Akatsuki member who killed the "Third Kazekage" who is said to be the history's strongest. Sakura fighting Sasori with only 10% of capabilities and fairing well is unbelievable. 

 

2.) Comparison with Naruto

If what Sakura showed at the start of Shippuden was only 10% of her base capabilities, this makes her much more stronger than what base Naruto was at the time. In the Japanese forums people were saying that Kishi should have made Naruto stronger during the three years time-skip because it looks like his growth fades in comparison to how much Sakura has grown. I agree, and if that Sakura was only showing her 10%, Kishi should've made Naruto MUCH MORE stronger after the time-skip.

 

And due to her astronomical power-up the Japanese forums are now saying that she can destroy Sasuke's Susanoo fairly easily.

If we want to silence them, we'd have to make Sakura the reincarnation of the Rokudo Sennin (Sage of the Six Paths), which ain't gonna happen. Period. 

 

where did you get the 10% figure from? i don't recall it being stated at all....

[StriderC]

 

On the contrary, I don't mind that she didn't use all her power even if she had to survive as a medic nin. 

As it was shown with Tsunade and Sakura's flashback this chapter, Tsunade made it clear that Sakura was an exception from the other medic-nin. Therefore the usual medic-nin rules won't apply to Sakura.

I can accept that only using 10% of chakra for three years [even in a near-death situation] as a necessary sacrifice in order for her to surpass her master.  With great power comes great sacrifice. And Sakura paid it by prohibiting herself of using her full capabilities. 

 

HOWEVER, I find this unacceptable for the below reasons. 

1.) Fight with Sasori

This means that Sakura fought Sasori with only 10% of her capabilities. She was already fast enough to dodge his attacks on her own at the second half of her fight and destroy most of his puppets including the Third Kazekage puppet. Sasori is a S-class Akatsuki member who killed the "Third Kazekage" who is said to be the history's strongest. Sakura fighting Sasori with only 10% of capabilities and fairing well is unbelievable. 

 

2.) Comparison with Naruto

If what Sakura showed at the start of Shippuden was only 10% of her base capabilities, this makes her much more stronger than what base Naruto was at the time. In the Japanese forums people were saying that Kishi should have made Naruto stronger during the three years time-skip because it looks like his growth fades in comparison to how much Sakura has grown. I agree, and if that Sakura was only showing her 10%, Kishi should've made Naruto MUCH MORE stronger after the time-skip.

 

And due to her astronomical power-up the Japanese forums are now saying that she can destroy Sasuke's Susanoo fairly easily.

If we want to silence them, we'd have to make Sakura the reincarnation of the Rokudo Sennin (Sage of the Six Paths), which ain't gonna happen. Period. 

 

I'm with Nia here. We're not even sure how things worked in that fight. Megi even hinted that the reason why Sakura's able to cause such massive damage is BECAUSE of the seal. I mean, while even working with lower chakra than normal, who's to say that in her fight with Sasori, she was fighting with only 10%. 

 

We're not sure how much chakra she puts in daily. It could be that she inserts more on her off days, and little on her mission days. We're not even sure how much the storage container holds but I personally think it's more than double. Another factor is, she probably distributed her chakra while fighting Sasori so that she could actually LAST through the fight. She ended up having to heal, repel numerous attacks, use her superhuman strength several times, and on top of that push chakra into her storage container. And as Atheck said, if she had tried to tap into her reservoirs in the fight with Sasori, all of her work toward gaining the seal would of been wasted considering 2 1/2 of the 3 years were during the timeskip. 

 

 

As for the bolded, I truly think she can at this point. If Team 7 ends up having to fight Madara for some reason and he throws up Susanoo, she'll shatter it with no problem. 

[ramenanmitsu]

where did you get the 10% figure from? i don't recall it being stated at all....

You can read me and redragon's previous posts. We're using 10% as assumptions if this chapter was only Sakura showing her base mode 100% 

I'm with Nia here. We're not even sure how things worked in that fight. Megi even hinted that the reason why Sakura's able to cause such massive damage is BECAUSE of the seal. I mean, while even working with lower chakra than normal, who's to say that in her fight with Sasori, she was fighting with only 10%. 

 

We're not sure how much chakra she puts in daily. It could be that she inserts more on her off days, and little on her mission days. We're not even sure how much the storage container holds but I personally think it's more than double. Another factor is, she probably distributed her chakra while fighting Sasori so that she could actually LAST through the fight. She ended up having to heal, repel numerous attacks, use her superhuman strength several times, and on top of that push chakra into her storage container. And as Atheck said, if she had tried to tap into her reservoirs in the fight with Sasori, all of her work toward gaining the seal would of been wasted considering 2 1/2 of the 3 years were during the timeskip. 

 

 

As for the bolded, I truly think she can at this point. If Team 7 ends up having to fight Madara for some reason and he throws up Susanoo, she'll shatter it with no problem. 

I agree. It would have been wasted. At this point, whether it's acceptable or not depends on how much chakra she was able to use in a day. If it was only 10%, it seems unacceptable. If was 90%, it's somewhat acceptable imo. 

 

Shizune saying that Sakura had to "save constant amount of chakra, continuously" is what is bugging me. That comment makes it hard for me to think of a possibility that she can store different amounts of chakra due to different moments. 

 

I was thinking that maybe Kishi might put that scene somewhere. Sakura completely destroying the Susanoo will show that she has completely surpassed her master. But then again, that would mean she can destroy Sasuke's strongest defense with her strongest offense, making her nearly equal to him. As much as I like Sakura, Sasuke is the Uchiha genius, Sakura being on near equal level with him will be too unrealistic. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 01 June 2013 - 02:37 PM.

[Chatte]

If she breaks the Susano'o is not that unrealistic. However, that doesn't make her equal. There's still Amaterasu and Enton Karatsugi... I haven't seen any other way to stop it unless you seal it...

[StriderC]

You can read me and redragon's previous posts. We're using 10% as assumptions if this chapter was only Sakura showing her base mode 100% 

I agree. It would have been wasted. At this point, whether it's acceptable or not depends on how much chakra she was able to use in a day. If it was only 10%, it seems unacceptable. If was 90%, it's somewhat acceptable imo. 

 

Shizune saying that Sakura had to "save constant amount of chakra, continuously" is what is bugging me. That comment makes it hard for me to think of a possibility that she can store different amounts of chakra due to different moments. 

 

I was thinking that maybe Kishi might put that scene somewhere. Sakura completely destroying the Susanoo will show that she has completely surpassed her master. But then again, that would mean she can destroy Sasuke's strongest defense with her strongest offense, making her nearly equal to him. As much as I like Sakura, Sasuke is the Uchiha genius, Sakura being on near equal level with him will be too unrealistic. 

I was just gonna post what Chatte pretty much said. Destroying Susanoo doesn't make her his equal. It just shows how powerful her punch is and that she can break pretty much any defense. She can't destroy Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi, but Susanoo is no problem. It's understandable considering Tsunade has already done it pretty much and given Sakura's strength right now, I wouldn't be surprised if one punch destroyed it.  

 

As far as Shizune's comment, we'll have to wait on more chapters. It's crazy that Kishi makes Sakura's situation a bit confusing.    So do you think she was setting a set amount of chakra in her storage at a time?