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[PhenixElite]

Exactly. All that development in the first part of Shippuden is trashed away... Back then she did it with Chiyo's help, now Kakashi's.
It hurts to see Kishi doing this with my fav. character, to be honest...

First of all you cant say that kakashi saved her from the mukoton, second the rock didnt hit sakura, third you guys just trying to find every little reason to make sakuras charcter down.

@james: thank you

Edited by PhenixElite, 18 December 2012 - 04:10 PM.

[Codus N]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NEJI. WHY?! WHY COULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN HINATA?!

Okay jokes aside.

Yeah, Neji's death has basically confirmed my theory on Naruto's obsession. Neji didn't say "take care of Hinata," but pointed out how everyone is trying to fight for his life. To throw his life away for Sasuke is....pointless and every death that occurs in the war would be a waste if Naruto just let Sasuke kill him.

It is almost like everyone from Itachi to Neji are trying to say to him: "Look, we know you want to save Sasuke, but dying doesn't make the world better. Everyone here is fighting for you and even dying for your sake. Don't throw away their sacrifice." This is very important in Naruto's growth. More or less, he basically told Naruto "stop being selfish and pretend it all is up to you."

I think this obsession also means something to Hinata too. Hinata is so willing to die for Naruto that she does stupid things too. She is also obsessed. Neji's death and the fact he said that you can't be obsessed with one thing when the world is so much bigger maybe has an effect on her showing her that while she can still love Naruto, Naruto is not the only thing in her life. After his death, after what she has lost, it is time for her to open her eyes to the world and not just on Naruto.

You know, I was worried that Hinata was getting all this attention, but I realized I was expecting this. I knew Hinata was going to have a focus for a while not for shipping wars, but for her own development. I wouldn't be surprised if Kishi was getting this all out of the way now so that Sakura can have her light to shine. This way it satisfies the NH fans for Hinata getting some time. So yes, let them "have this," but I have a feeling we are going to get our time to shine towards the end. Even in other manga, the other love interests got their time to shine before the main character was like "I'm sorry, but I can't be with you. I love another."

Thinking about it like this, while yes it is crap that Sakura is being pushed aside, but I have a good feeling Sakura will regain focus. No one is closer to Naruto than Sakura is and when the war dies down and the bodies have been buried I know Sakura will be right there for him to comfort him in a way that Hinata can not. Sakura still have demons in her closet too, but those demons cannot be touched upon until Sasuke shows back up in the picture.

If that is what Kishi is doing then let's get it over with. Let the NH fans have their little fun and pretend everything is going their way. I rather keep reading the manga.

Also, I am going to continue to stand by my original prediction with Obito getting redemption through self sacrifice. Obito's resolves is very....shaky. He looks as though he is about to go against Madara and Madara looks like he is about to betray Obito some how. I like the idea someone mentioned (sorry I forgot) of Sakura dying and Obito resurrecting her because Obito sees Rin in her. That is a good idea of a fanfic too.

That would reinforce NaruSaku more especially if Naruto gets super emotional with Sakura's death.

I am going to hold out and say that Obito can still be the good guy we used to know and love. It won't change what he has done, but doesn't mean he couldn't change himself.

I would personally hate it if that were to happen. Why?? 'cause it feels like it would make Neji's death unfair. I mean, Sakura gets revived and Neji doesn't?? boy, that'll give the bashers a field day. I don't generally care about what they think, but it still would aggravate me if it does happen since it just boosts their obnoxiousness.

A better scenario would be that Sakura starts talking to Obito (if Kakashi would just tell his students in a nutshell what happened between them) and the image of Rin starts floating on her. If this drives Obito off the deep end again, it may give Kakashi a much needed kick to the backside to get serious and snap him out of it. If it helps spark his face heel turn, then it's great.

I don't think he'd kill off Rock Lee, especially since he's got his own manga.

I don't see it as that either. I'm just frustrated at how much more time Hinata is getting; all Sakura got was a single panel where she had to be saved by Kakashi...

But Guy is a viable candidate, though...

And yes, the Hinata screentime is getting ridiculous....

[Slextrem]

I feel that, since we are coming up to the ending of this series, we should expect to see development for the sideline characters, including Hinata. Now that Neji has sacrificed his life for her and Naruto, I'm expecting to see more maturity from her character. She's been given so many opportunities to grow stronger throughout the series but she never follows through with any of it. I hope this time she will follow Shikamaru and Ino's example and stand strong. Next chapter will let us know if she's going to stay true to her words and fight alongside everyone else, or if she's going to continue to be babied. This chapter also piqued my curiosity about Hanabi. Is she fighting in the war or is she with the civilians? I wonder how she's going to take the news about Neji...

With that said, I wonder who's next? I feel like the characters that haven't received much attention during the series are going to get some time in the spotlight. I'm hoping we'll see TenTen in the next chapter, though I have a feeling that we'll be seeing Rock Lee and Gai instead. Oh well. I won't mind either way.

As for Ms. Sakura, I'm not expecting to see her standing apart from the crowd for a while. Assuming Kishimoto is going to complete the parallel between Obito/Rin and Naruto/Sakura, I can see her getting some focus after the Jyuubi is taken care of and Naruto is able to face Obito/Madara head on. However, since it still has a third transformation to make before being complete, it's probably going to be a while before that happens. I would like for her to get more attention than she has been, but that's just wishful thinking on my part. I'm just thankful that Kishimoto has been kind enough to include a panel or two of her in each chapter. At least this way we know he hasn't forgotten about her and we get to see what she's doing.

One thing I do want to complain about is Kishimoto continuing to make her a damsel in distress. Even in this chapter, Kakashi had to pull her away so that she wouldn't get hit by the branches. At first I thought she had dodged them on her own, but if you look closely at the panel, you can see Kakashi's hand wrapped around her arm. He pulled her over to him.

Edited by Slextrem, 18 December 2012 - 04:23 PM.

[Chatte]

First of all you cant say that kakashi saved her from the mukoton, second the rock didnt hit sakura, third you guys just trying to find every little reason to make sakuras charcter down.

I am not trying to do that, on the contrary, she is my fav. character, hell, I'd do the otherway around. But still we can't deny she lacks the same action as others and Kishi puts her in bad situations compared to others.

[PhenixElite]

I am not trying to do that, on the contrary, she is my fav. character, hell, I'd do the otherway around. But still we can't deny she lacks the same action as others and Kishi puts her in bad situations compared to others.

It has no use to discuss about her current screentime in this arc. We can talk about her screentime again in the end of the manga. We will see if you guys still stick to this opinion then.

[sushi.]

First of all you cant say that kakashi saved her from the mukoton, second the rock didnt hit sakura, third you guys just trying to find every little reason to make sakuras charcter down.

@james: thank you

Why can't I say that Kakashi saved her? And I'm not trying to do anything, I just tell what I see.

It has no use to discuss about her current screentime in this arc. We can talk about her screentime again in the end of the manga. We will see if you guys still stick to this opinion then.

Of course I'll stick to my opinion. I don't like that Kishi develops the charcter, forgets her, then let her Shine again.

Edited by sushi., 18 December 2012 - 04:23 PM.

[Paptala]

Oh -- God -- Neji.







Dying on Naruto's shoulders, talking about their fight again and how much Naruto means to Neji, that he's also willing to sacrifice his life for Naruto - just - my feels. They hurt.

That aside, I'm supremely aggravated that Sakura got the back seat again to Hinata. We get it Kishi, Hinata is willing to die for Naruto. And I do see this as an NH moment, since again, Hinata's willingness to die for Naruto was brought up multiple times (and we know this is due to her romantic feelings for him) and Naruto was reacting to Hinata being in front of him again - nothing that would indicate romantic feelings from him really, but still. And now they have Neji's death as a common sadness, since he was protecting both of them.

And yes, Naruto certainly came off looking useless this chapter (I mean, spacing out in the middle of war?); and Sakura continuously not doing anything, not even evading these attacks on her own, also makes her look worse as well. I don't even care if its shipping related, I just want Sakura to do SOMETHING significant in this battle at some point (otherwise, her thoughts on the way to the battlefield come off empty). I am really hoping that Kishi is saving her for something big, otherwise, I'm going to be supremely disappointed.

I wasn't expecting the main characters to get the shaft in order to make the side characters look better.

On the brighter side, those who wanted Naruto to experience death first hand, to see a comrade die in front of him without being able to save him, in order to make him face more adversity - well here you have it. Neji died in his arms, and Obito's already taunting him and placing the blame on him for it.

So as others have said, this was a love/hate chapter for me as well.

[PhenixElite]

Why can't I say that Kakashi saved her? And I'm not trying to do anything, I just tell what I see.

Because its not clearly visible that kakshi dragged her away.

@chatte: a comment like this still keeps me thinking that youre tryin to just search the negative details on sakura:
Exactly. All that development in the first part of Shippuden is trashed away

[James S Cassidy]

I would personally hate it if that were to happen. Why?? 'cause it feels like it would make Neji's death unfair. I mean, Sakura gets revived and Neji doesn't?? boy, that'll give the bashers a field day. I don't generally care about what they think, but it still would aggravate me if it does happen since it just boosts their obnoxiousness.

Yet if you did bring Neji back to life then Neji's death gets underplayed and the entire point of Neji's speech loses it's meaning. So you have this paradox of you're either damned if you do or damned if you don't. Seeing how a lot of "unfairness" this manga has shown with the deaths of characters being underwhelmed because they are magically brought back to life, I have practically let logic go and say "anything goes by now."

Reminds me of the Matrix where Trinity is killed off in Reloaded only to be killed again in Revolution. Why?

A better scenario would be that Sakura starts talking to Obito (if Kakashi would just tell his students in a nutshell what happened between them) and the image of Rin starts floating on her. If this drives Obito off the deep end again, it may give Kakashi a much needed kick to the backside to get serious and snap him out of it. If it helps spark his face heel turn, then it's great.

While I guess it could work, I don't see how or why Sakura would start talking to Obito unless something initiates where he attempts to kill her or take her as hostage, but then you get backlash from here of people saying "Oh, Sakura is being diminished. She should be stronger."

*sigh and pinches the bridge of my nose* No one will ever be happy no matter what course Kishi takes. Someone is going to be pissed off. Might as well make the story as interesting a possible.

[ramenanmitsu]

I would like to know where people keep thinking that Hinata gets all the "shine" moments when really this is the first major shine moment since the Pein Arc.

Sakura has shined on several more occasions than Hinata has. A lot of times in Part 1. She has shined in the beginning of Shippudden. She has shined with the Sasori fight. She has shined with the Sakura confession and that lasted for a few chapters. (Hey, if Hinata's confession where she just gets knocked out by Pein so easily is Hinata "shining" then I am going to count Sakura's "failed" confession too.)

And Sakura has had her time to shine during the war albeit brief with her punching the Zetsu clone. I thought that was pretty shining and a lot more awesome than Hinata's scene of being a damsel in distress again.

I didn't utter a single "Hinata" since this chapter came out so I don't know what you are talking about.

My point was, all the important characters shined.
Kakashi, Sasuke, Naruto, Gaara, Tsunade, Killer Bee...and so on. And Sakura, she gets hit by a rock, can't dodge a mokuton. Medic nins are supposed to have good dodging skills but she can't seem to do this. How can she have her time to shine/have a big fight when she doesn't have the skills right now. If Kishi were planning to give her a big fight, at least she should be able to dodge these things to be believable. She's not Naruto, she's not going to develop her skills in 2,3 days.

And is Sakura punching a Zetsu clone her shining moment? I think all the rookie 9 beat more than 1 Zetsu clones. Neji did, Hinata did, Ino did, and on and on. The only thing shined was her "intelligence". But if Kishi wants to go to the direction of making "intelligence." Sakura's strength, she needs to solve a difficult problem that even Shikamaru can't solve. Why? Because she's the main heroine!

Even the anime made it awesome:

SAKURA SMASH --Click here to view--

Thanks! I was actually searching for that!

Also, I never said anything about Sakura being the main character or her professional role in the manga. I said that there is a time and place for everything and that Sakura's time to really shine is at a moment where it is most needed. The best time for her to "shine" would be with the Sasuke vs Naruto fight.

The war...I see it being the time when the side characters get the focus and most of the attention. Notice how Kakashi's development disappeared for long periods of time and we got that moment with Obito and then Kakashi fell back behind the curtain.

This is the first time Neji got attention in a long while. So I think he deserves it, but the problem is, as I mentioned waaaay back in chapter 602-603, if you want these characters to gain that development, then you are going to have to shift the focus. You will have to take the camera away from the main cast to give these characters a chance and that's how it has to work.

So like I said, Kishi is getting all this stuff out of the way and letting the other cast to have one last dance in the limelight.

I wasn't talking about you actually. I was talking in general.
And if you say that we need to shift the focus in order for the side characters to shine, then why haven't the focus shifted away from Naruto? or Sasuke? The author still managed to put in their fights. Also, Kakashi and Sakura are different. Kakashi doesn't need development. He is not the new generation. Sakura is, however the new generation's heroine. But even that Kakashi has gotten development this arc. It's not fair that Sakura is the only team 7 member that hasn't had a fight with anybody other than Zetsu fodder(when even all the other rookies had fight with Edo tenseis), and she is the only team 7 member that the Uchiha Massacre is being kept a secret.

So one word. kitten you Kishi.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 18 December 2012 - 04:29 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

yes there will be chapter next week
12/22

then the next will be at

01/04

http://adnavi.shueis...ule/w_jump.html

there will be no break they just extended.
actually there will be a 2 week break after 01/04 then it gets back at 01/21.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 December 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[Chatte]

Because its not clearly visible that kakshi dragged her away.

@chatte: a comment like this still keeps me thinking that youre tryin to just search the negative details on sakura:
Exactly. All that development in the first part of Shippuden is trashed away

Let's face it, Kishi is not doing the best thing with her. If he would be, the majority's reaction wouldn't be like this, the fandom wouldn't hate her like this, interviewers wouldn't ask what about Sakura, etc.
Yes, it is trashed away because at this point in the manga, she should be able to dodge by her own. Hell, she was Tsunade's studen and we clearly got that idea implemented with medics dodging by their own attacks.
I am not trying to search negative details of Sakura, I am seeing them. She is my fav. character but I won't be crazy and in denial, pretend that everything is ok with her that Kishi is doing a great job when he doesn't.
Hell, if he'd do it, simply, there wouldn't be so much hate for her in the fandom.

[Tsubaki]

oh no Neji!! ;_; he was one of my favorites, It's hard to believe that he's dead. why him??? but his death was honored! I'll miss you Neji!!

it's definily wasn't a NaruHina moment, but the fact that she was willing to give up of her life for Naruto again count points to them for sure.. of course that everyone was risking their lifes for Naruto but the point is that Hinata was used to show this again, at least Kishi put Neji there too.

I really hope that Kishi is planning something big for Sakura, it has to be something big because Hinata is really acting as the Heroine in these last chapters. Sakura has to do something big and take back her post as the heroin in the fandom eyes.

because while Hinata is gaining good panels (most around Naruto), Sakura is appearing only as background character and it makes the fandom compares them.

oh Kishi please let Sakura shine too!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

oh no Neji!! ;_; he was one of my favorites, It's hard to believe that he's dead. why him??? but his death was honored! I'll miss you Neji!!

it's definily wasn't a NaruHina moment, but the fact that she was willing to give up of her life for Naruto again count points to them for sure.. of course that everyone was risking their lifes for Naruto but the point is that Hinata was used to show this again, at least Kishi put Neji there too.

I really hope that Kishi is planning something big for Sakura, it has to be something big because Hinata is really acting as the Heroine in these last chapters. Sakura has to do something big and take back her post as the heroin in the fandom eyes.

because while Hinata is gaining good panels (most around Naruto), Sakura is appearing only as background character and it makes the fandom compares them.

oh Kishi please let Sakura shine too!

OMFG! a lot of people whine because kishi does not give enough development to the other characters on K11 when he do this you guys complain kishi is showing sakura and where she are to remind the readers that he did not forget about her.

[PhenixElite]

Let's face it, Kishi is not doing the best thing with her. If he would be, the majority's reaction wouldn't be like this, the fandom wouldn't hate her like this, interviewers wouldn't ask what about Sakura, etc.
Yes, it is trashed away because at this point in the manga, she should be able to dodge by her own. Hell, she was Tsunade's studen and we clearly got that idea implemented with medics dodging by their own attacks.
I am not trying to search negative details of Sakura, I am seeing them. She is my fav. character but I won't be crazy and in denial, pretend that everything is ok with her that Kishi is doing a great job when he doesn't.
Hell, if he'd do it, simply, there wouldn't be so much hate for her in the fandom.

I defenetly dont care why the fandom hates kishi or sakura. I still have faith in kishi and think that he exactly knows what hes doing and also see no problem with what hes doing.
Just seems like i have a totally different opinion then most of you guys, but who cares.

[kirabook]

OMFG! a lot of people whine because kishi does not give enough development to the other characters on K11 when he do this you guys complain kishi is showing sakura and where she are to remind the readers that he did not forget about her.

Hinata has had enough development. We still haven't seen anything for people like Ten Ten or Lee. I'm pretty sure no one would complain if they got development. Kishi doesn't seem to spread out the development of characters very well. It's either one character gets too much and the other gets none, rarely is their a balance.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hinata has had enough development. We still haven't seen anything for people like Ten Ten or Lee. I'm pretty sure no one would complain if they got development. Kishi doesn't seem to spread out the development of characters very well. It's either one character gets too much and the other gets none, rarely is their a balance.

dude i'm at the chan, there was about 70 comments about the chapter none of them talking about hinata u'all are just overthinking too much.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 December 2012 - 04:41 PM.

[Slextrem]

I'm curious to see how Shikaku's final plan to stop the Jyuubi turns out. It looks to me like it involves Naruto recovering his chakra and going into Kyuubi mode, since in this chapter the focus is protecting Naruto and restraining the Jyuubi to buy time.

[Canadian_DJ]

This just comes to show that if ANY of narutos friends jump in to save him, although neji also saved hinata but whatever, naruto'll take it really deep, its not something romantic heck naruto looked deeply moved and ticked when neji saved him than the time hinata "saved" him during her "confession", notice the quotes, so the argument we've been using for so long has been reinforced...cool.And we still haven't seen naruto rage yet.Man i reallllly love neji he's one of my favourites :'( but look at the bright side at least he'll join his father...lol just like in dragon ball lol, man all the deagon ball's got to my head cuz im re-watching the eps cuz akira toriyamas releasing a new movie that takes place after the mang-wait....totally off TOPIC!!!

Anyways, would you guys please stop saying sakura ain't gettin' enough screen time!!! dont you see, masashi is just wrapping up the 9 rookies up first then he'll move onto the main game; team 7.And enough with the "Omg this chapter like totally is naruhina oooh we're doomed" or "Ooh hinata and naruto in the same panel, OMG its a naruhina moment!!"

Seriously......?

[swagosaurus]

I'm curious to see how Shikaku's final plan to stop the Jyuubi turns out. It looks to me like it involves Naruto recovering his chakra and going into Kyuubi mode, since in this chapter the focus is protecting Naruto and restraining the Jyuubi to buy time.

I'm pretty sure it involves Naruto giving chakra to the Ino-Shika-Cho group to amplify their jutsu.