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[ciardha]

Yes, she was tormented by other girls. That happened when she was about the age of 6 or 7. I was talking 13, at the end of the Academy. Besides, I am not saying what was true or not, but only what was shown to us at the moment. For the Kakashi comment, is not that she is insensitive, she just didn't care enough about Naruto. As Kakashi himself said, she spent all the time thinking about a far way Sasuke and forgot to help Naruto that was close by. For the other comments I will not address them simply because I view them the same way, however that was Kishi showing Sakura's growth as a person, how much she changed and how she changed. I do like the Sakura character and I did/do like the Hinata a lot too. I only wish Hinata had a bit more development, as many other characters did (not necessarily getting together with Naruto).

Sakura was not viewed as pretty and popular by the other girls (only Naruto thought she pretty) They graduated the Academy at 12 not 13. Sakura social class status was basically just above Naruto. I remind you again of the angry contempt the other girls directed at Sakura on the very day they graduated from the Academy- "Who does she think she is?!" Ino's nickname and Sakura's own bemoaning her "giant forehead" tells you she was not viewed as pretty by anyone but Naruto.

And sorry, but Broken Figurine is right about Hinata. Kishimoto shows even minor support characters like Karui and Omoi having an intense bond to their sensei, while Hinata shows absolutely zero bond to or concern about even Kurenai- even though Hinata was Kurenai's favorite student. Kurenai even stood up to Hinata's father on her behalf, but do we see Hinata expressing concern about Kurenai when Asuma was killed or concern when Konoha was under attack and she knew her sensei was near term pregnancy? Nope, not a moment's thought. Then you have the whole thing about how she shows no concern about Neiji's and other suffering under the grossly wrong way the non main house families were treated- treated as expendable servants to the main family. She says nothing, even her father was bothered by the system, but Hinata, nope, not a bit, never occurs to her, even though it's right in front of her.

And as for Kakashi's words to Sakura- I always thought they were grossly unfair- He witnessed Sakura being the only one who did openly show any teamwork- she immediately acts acts even though she believes she was endangering her own life, to save Naruto's. She only "abandons" Naruto when she knows he's not in immediate danger- she sees he can free himself, but thinks Sasuke is.

[Arrakesh]

Sakura was not viewed as pretty and popular by the other girls (only Naruto thought she pretty) They graduated the Academy at 12 not 13. Sakura social class status was basically just above Naruto. I remind you again of the angry contempt the other girls directed at Sakura on the very day they graduated from the Academy- "Who does she think she is?!" Ino's nickname and Sakura's own bemoaning her "giant forehead" tells you she was not viewed as pretty by anyone but Naruto.

And sorry, but Broken Figurine is right about Hinata. Kishimoto shows even minor support characters like Karui and Omoi having an intense bond to their sensei, while Hinata shows absolutely zero bond to or concern about even Kurenai- even though Hinata was Kurenai's favorite student. Kurenai even stood up to Hinata's father on her behalf, but do we see Hinata expressing concern about Kurenai when Asuma was killed or concern when Konoha was under attack and she knew her sensei was near term pregnancy? Nope, not a moment's thought. Then you have the whole thing about how she shows no concern about Neiji's and other suffering under the grossly wrong way the non main house families were treated- treated as expendable servants to the main family. She says nothing, even her father was bothered by the system, but Hinata, nope, not a bit, never occurs to her, even though it's right in front of her.

And as for Kakashi's words to Sakura- I always thought they were grossly unfair- He witnessed Sakura being the only one who did openly show any teamwork- she immediately acts acts even though she believes she was endangering her own life, to save Naruto's. She only "abandons" Naruto when she knows he's not in immediate danger- she sees he can free himself, but thinks Sasuke is.

I will grant the part regarding the graduation. I must have missed the other girls's comment. For Hinata, I never said otherwise. All I said is that in the beggining she had the possibility of becoming a great character in the manga, yet, Kishi never went beyond that, and never explored he in full. I will have to disagree in the Neji issue, not because of Hinata herself (indeed she seems to have done nothing about it), but her father took steps to shorten the distance between himself and Neji. So I wouldn't consider his situation in the family as concerning. And during the war they seemed to be fighting side by side with a good understanding. But other than this scene (3 plus years later), it is true that nothing was shown regarding Hinata's concern for Neji. As you said he only concern is Naruto, and I agree when you say she is not closely attached to either her team or her sensei.

For Kakashi's word I do not think they were unfair. They were actually on the spot. Just remember that he said that during the training, and perhaps it's because of what he said that Sakura aimed to get better, to be a better person even. And indeed she managed. Today Sakura is one of the most caring characters in the manga. She is still focused on Sasuke, but she doesn't let that goal get in the way of how much she cares for everyone else. The combat scene you described above was already the first steps Sakura took in becoming the person she is now.

Besides, I do like Sakura's character, not only for what she represents today, but especially by the path she took to grow up as both a shinobi and as a person. I also liked Hinata's character during the chuunin trial, but unfortunately, all that she could be was nerfed and put aside. Today she is even less important than Ten Ten. Just remember the rescue Gaara arc where Ten Ten played her part. In part II hinata didn't appear in any arc, apart of the suicidal run again Pain. It's just sad to see good characters underdeveloped...

[Phantom_999]

Sakura was not viewed as pretty and popular by the other girls (only Naruto thought she pretty) They graduated the Academy at 12 not 13. Sakura social class status was basically just above Naruto. I remind you again of the angry contempt the other girls directed at Sakura on the very day they graduated from the Academy- "Who does she think she is?!" Ino's nickname and Sakura's own bemoaning her "giant forehead" tells you she was not viewed as pretty by anyone but Naruto.

And sorry, but Broken Figurine is right about Hinata. Kishimoto shows even minor support characters like Karui and Omoi having an intense bond to their sensei, while Hinata shows absolutely zero bond to or concern about even Kurenai- even though Hinata was Kurenai's favorite student. Kurenai even stood up to Hinata's father on her behalf, but do we see Hinata expressing concern about Kurenai when Asuma was killed or concern when Konoha was under attack and she knew her sensei was near term pregnancy? Nope, not a moment's thought. Then you have the whole thing about how she shows no concern about Neiji's and other suffering under the grossly wrong way the non main house families were treated- treated as expendable servants to the main family. She says nothing, even her father was bothered by the system, but Hinata, nope, not a bit, never occurs to her, even though it's right in front of her.

And as for Kakashi's words to Sakura- I always thought they were grossly unfair- He witnessed Sakura being the only one who did openly show any teamwork- she immediately acts acts even though she believes she was endangering her own life, to save Naruto's. She only "abandons" Naruto when she knows he's not in immediate danger- she sees he can free himself, but thinks Sasuke is.

I agree about Hinata as for Kakashi I still agree with him because it was more than just ignoring Naruto she was ONLY thinking of Sasuke if was a real mission who could say Naruto wasn't in danger Kakashi meant that if she helped Naruto it would have guaranteed his safety in a dangerous situation and he could have also helped her look for Sasuke bottom line is Sakura only concerned herself with Sasuke at first in the beginning

Interesting how nobody thought she was pretty back then, but in part II we have several characters saying that or just being attracted to her and nobody seems to even mention her forhead. I agree with them, of course, but I don't think she changed that much(physically). She always looked good to me.

Btw, has anyone even commented on Hinata's looks?

That's part II Kim people were attracted to her in part II unless you count those stupid part I fillers as for Hinata's looks well not unappealing but nothing like crazy attractive like those fans make her out to be

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 July 2011 - 04:45 AM.

[Super Boom]

Interesting how nobody thought she was pretty back then, but in part II we have several characters saying that or just being attracted to her and nobody seems to even mention her forhead. I agree with them, of course, but I don't think she changed that much(physically). She always looked good to me.

Btw, has anyone even commented on Hinata's looks?

Hmm, I guess the only people who really seemed to be attracted to Sakura were Naruto and Lee, who we know liked her since Part I, and that one random guy in the recent Part II chapters. So either Naruto and Lee just have the same taste in girls, or she was supposed to 'cute' in Part I too. I guess I'm leaning towards the former, but I don't really know why Naruto or Lee fell for her in the first place, so I can't really say whether or not she was supposed to be cute in Part I.

But, as far as I know, Hinata's never been praised for her looks in the canon. From what I can tell, it's basically just fans who give her that praise.

[Strangelove]

Hmm, I guess the only people who really seemed to be attracted to Sakura were Naruto and Lee, who we know liked her since Part I, and that one random guy in the recent Part II chapters. So either Naruto and Lee just have the same taste in girls, or she was supposed to 'cute' in Part I too. I guess I'm leaning towards the former, but I don't really know why Naruto or Lee fell for her in the first place, so I can't really say whether or not she was supposed to be cute in Part I.

But, as far as I know, Hinata's never been praised for her looks in the canon. From what I can tell, it's basically just fans who give her that praise.

Yes fans give they're fandom praise, even when not found on the manga, need to be reminded however that this are drawings, and not real people.

I think is more based on taste. No girl in part 1 really liked Lee [bushy brows, weird haircut, and not to mention round eyes, and tight clothing...Gai is soo weird because of this]

and no popular girl in part 1 really liked Naruto...he was well the outcast, he was short, and had a baby face.

Still this changed in part 2, Naruto looks taller, he lost his baby face, and now the whole village is to the point of building a monument in his name. Not to mention we saw this changes. Remember when Ino first appeared. In part 1 she wouldn't even looked at Naruto more or less talk to him. In part 2...well she literally yelled out his name when she saw him...


We must also remember that Sakura is destined to be the next Tsunade...which was considered the world's most beautiful kunoichi.

Edited by Strangelove, 01 July 2011 - 01:44 AM.

[Arrakesh]

I think that the reason people fell for Sakura in part I has something to do with her name actually. Sakura or Chery blossom, holds a powerful place in japanese culture:

Flower viewing was a phenomenon that the Japanese adopted from China during the Heiran Period. Poets, singers, aristocrats and members of ordinary households would come together to gather around cherry blossom trees and appreciate their beauty. Over the years the cherry blossom tree became a highly revered species in Japan.

Whereas the cherry blossom tree represented the female form in China it took on a much deeper meaning in Japanese culture. The Japanese observed the life cycle of the cherry blossom tree and drew a similitude between the nature of the blossoming tree with human life in general.

The cherry blossom tree is known for its short yet brilliant blooming season which ends with an inevitable fall to the ground. For the Japanese masses this drama staged by the natural process of the tree was reminiscent of the natural way of human life where rise and fall are the main elements in limited time.

Along with being a metaphoric representation of life in general the cherry blossom tree is believed to have deep connections with Buddhism. According to the dharma the tree was associated with the concept of ‘mono no aware’ ever since the 18th century.

The richly symbolic sakura served as inspiration for many artists who produced art work based around the Japanese cherry blossom tree. From musical performances to stage plays and amazing paintings to profound poetry the cherry blossom tree has managed to make its mark in many ways on Japanese culture and tradition.

Today we find that the cherry blossom tree is used as a symbol on many contemporary items as well. The representation of the cherry blossom tree in the form of patterns or logos can be seen on clothing accessories, stationary and even dishware

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Regarding Sakura becoming Tsunade Vesion 2.0, she is there already - same monster strenght, same temper, and in the Rescue Gaara arc, Chyo said how much Sakura reminded her of Tsunade...

[CloudMountainJuror]

Regarding Sakura becoming Tsunade Vesion 2.0, she is there already - same monster strenght, same temper, and in the Rescue Gaara arc, Chyo said how much Sakura reminded her of Tsunade...

I have to disagree; Sakura doesn't have nearly as much battle experience as Tsunade yet.

[Arrakesh]

I have to disagree; Sakura doesn't have nearly as much battle experience as Tsunade yet.

True, so let's just called it Tsunade 2.0 beta 1... She has what it needs, but not there yet...

[Phantom_999]

I have to disagree; Sakura doesn't have nearly as much battle experience as Tsunade yet.

But she is like Tsunade in all other regards right?

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 July 2011 - 04:41 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

But she is like Tsunade in all other regards right?

Yes, that is true. Except for one way... and no, I'm not referring to experience...

[Phantom_999]

what, her cup size?

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 July 2011 - 05:09 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

what, her cup size?

To be blatantly put, yes.

[Phantom_999]

I thought so

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Interesting how nobody thought she was pretty back then, but in part II we have several characters saying that or just being attracted to her and nobody seems to even mention her forhead. I agree with them, of course, but I don't think she changed that much(physically). She always looked good to me.

Btw, has anyone even commented on Hinata's looks?

I've always thought Sakura was pretty but seeing how im not part of the manga I cant say anything. And about Hinata's looks she's ok its just her eyes scare me sometimes, and I think she shouldnt have gotten such big boobs.

[Arrakesh]

To be blatantly put, yes.

If you pay attention to the flashbacks, you will see that Tsunade was also flat when she was young. Jiraya even made jokes about it. Only when she was older that she developed her turbines.... Perhaps the same will happen to Sakura. But anyway, if anyone dares to say that to Sakura, they will regret greatly...

[Phantom_999]

Yeah that's true she's great just the way she is I was just assuming Zac's thoughts on one way was she not like her master I don't want them to "BALLOON" her

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 July 2011 - 03:18 PM.

[Arrakesh]

Yeah that's true she's great just the way she is I was just assuming Zac's thoughts on way way was she not like her master I don't want them to "BALLOON" her

I second that. She is fine just the way she is. If anyone wants a baloon girl, they can always join the hinata fan club...

[ciardha]

If you pay attention to the flashbacks, you will see that Tsunade was also flat when she was young. Jiraya even made jokes about it. Only when she was older that she developed her turbines.... Perhaps the same will happen to Sakura. But anyway, if anyone dares to say that to Sakura, they will regret greatly...

She was "flat-chested" when they were around 12 or so, but by 16 Tsunade was already what looked like a D cup (when Nawaki died) she was still that the when she was dating/engaged to Dan (in her twenties). We don't see her after Dan's death until shes around 37. Jiraiya alluded to her grief made her breasts bigger, but they didn't when Nawaki or Jiraiya died.

I'm very strongly suspecting Tsunade was pregnant (very early along, perhaps didn't even know for sure yet) when Dan was killed (earlier along than even Kurenai was when Asuma died- my guess Kurenai was about 2-3 months along- they both knew she was but she wasn't showing even a little bump yet- even in that tight skirt she had on at the cemetery)

A woman's breasts enlarge about a cup size during her first pregnancy and sometimes stay permanently that size. Tsunade realized she was pregnant after Dan's death, but miscarried before the baby was born, we know the grief over Dan made her a bit "off" so doing something to her body that resulted in her breasts staying permanently their pregnancy size. Or it could have been she deluded herself that she was pregnant out of her extreme grief- and being a medic-nin subconsciously altering her body to mimic early pregnancy, with the same permanent results.

Sakura's about B cup, that's her adult breast size, which is average for a Japanese woman- Sakura's build is very much like the traditional Japanese concept of female beauty. Kishimoto has emphasized all along how Sakura is supposed to be like a normal (Japanese) girl. I doubt he'll have her breasts get larger- except as maybe a permanent aftereffect of pregnancy. If so, likely only to Kushina's pregnancy size- about a C cup. (That's about what Kurenai's is too)

[Phantom_999]

yeah but then she'd have a child by now unless it was a miscarriage and these threads tend to get sidetracked because THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS and Yes Sakura should have a figure similar Kushina or Kurenai if Kishimoto MUST make changes to her as an adult but She DEFINITELY is great the wayshe is I'm only saying in the possibility of change

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 July 2011 - 11:29 PM.

[The Tax-Man]

Nooo, I don't want that to happen! I think it's too late, anyway. She's 17, she won't change drastically anymore.

Actually it IS possible that drastic changes happen, not that I want it. Besides, she 'aint flat. She's just normal.