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[Quinny52]

@Uzumakikage: You might wanna check my last post on this subject. Last comment on pg 5. a big one, can't miss it.

Edited by Quinny52, 06 August 2010 - 12:21 AM.

[KungFuTruffle]

No, I'm pretty sure it's an advance Hiraishin. Naruto's is more advance with a giant seal on his body meaning he doesn't have to throw a kunai or perhaps if he does have Rikudou's body he may be using an advance lightening affinity jutsu since he was shown with Mokuton.

If Naruto had used the Hiraishin no jutsu, someone would have commented on it. On the other hand, shunshin no jutsu is just high speed movement, and most of the powerful ninja in the series know how to use it. It's never been outright stated that Naruto can't use it, and Jiraiya could have taught it to him. He might have even learned it from Iruka or Kakashi. However or whenever he learned it, it's what Naruto used. Just because all Killer Bee could see was a yellow flash doesn't mean he's using Minato's jutsu.

And lightning affinity? Why? Because his chakra is spiky? That's just his hair looking awesome.

I'm not quite sure what you mean about Mokuton. Are you saying Naruto used it? Because he didn't. His purified Kyuubi chakra simply leaks life energy. Trees are life, so it's to be expected that they'd be affected.

[Strangelove]

I think Kishi gave Naruto the ultimate hax.

Out of what we can see, we can tell that:
1. He can sense emotions negative and positive, he stated that it wasn't chakra, but the intentions of the heart. In a way he will be able to know whether someone will come at him with good intentions, or bad.
2. Energy around him seems to react nicely.
3. Incredible speed and strength.

In a way soon we might see a downsize to it, unless Kishi has literally made Naruto a demi god...then that's different

It is up to upcoming chapters as to what is going to happen next.

Edited by Strangelove, 06 August 2010 - 12:58 AM.

[Dreamer]

@Uzumakikage: You might wanna check my last post on this subject. Last comment on pg 5. a big one, can't miss it.

Duh, you don't think I know about shunshin . It's a lower class jutsu and would be stupid for Naruto to possess the image of Rikudou and Kyuubi control to only use shunshin.

If Naruto had used the Hiraishin no jutsu, someone would have commented on it. On the other hand, shunshin no jutsu is just high speed movement, and most of the powerful ninja in the series know how to use it. It's never been outright stated that Naruto can't use it, and Jiraiya could have taught it to him. He might have even learned it from Iruka or Kakashi. However or whenever he learned it, it's what Naruto used. Just because all Killer Bee could see was a yellow flash doesn't mean he's using Minato's jutsu.

And lightning affinity? Why? Because his chakra is spiky? That's just his hair looking awesome.

I'm not quite sure what you mean about Mokuton. Are you saying Naruto used it? Because he didn't. His purified Kyuubi chakra simply leaks life energy. Trees are life, so it's to be expected that they'd be affected.

Lol, I guess the trees growing rapidly and the seal used on Kyuubi looks nothing like Mokuton.

[dl316bh]

There is no absolute, undeniable proof that it is Sakura, that is the thing. To us it seems obvious, but at the same time it could mean completely nothing. The fact that out of all the things Kushina told Naruto that the one revolving around pairings was specifically left out says a lot to me. It says Kishi is quite happy with stringing everyone along without actually confirming anything, which is what I hate the most about the romance. At some point he will have ruined all the pairings unless he can get serious about the one he intends. I understand why he does it, but that doesn't make for very good or consistent writing, in my opinion.

I think this is part of a problem of length. This manga's over five hundred chapters long now and Kishi's been kittening everyone around as far as shipping goes for about as long. Hints and such crop up from time to time - enough that I personally think that if you sit down and look it's not hard to come to the conclusion of which he's headed towards, if any at all - but if he's saving it for the end, he's probably doing the plotline a disservice. Obviously he wants to drag it out as long as possible - hey, let's face it, we make long romance plots good business by how hooked it keeps folks - but he should have made some kind of concrete advancement by now. You drag it out too long and you run the very real risk of frustrating your readers; which I'm guessing is the point that you are at.

To be honest, I'm not overly fond of Kishi's writing at this point in general, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms that isn't worth opening again.

I have to agree with you. I mean, look at the recent topics: Hair colors, blood-type, relation between Kushina and Minato, and so on. This isn't admiration, it's obsessiveness at a disgusting order.

I don't think most folks here are that bad, though they can be at times hypocritical when it comes to the actions of other pairings. But I suppose I might have more experience with the lows in shipping fandom. Trust me, I've met people that define disgustingly obsessed with a pairing. Makes people here look utterly disinterested in their ship by comparison.

Edited by dl316bh, 06 August 2010 - 01:57 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

This is a reason why I initially didn't want to look too far into this picture. But people had to keep bringing it up. You would think that the picture would be a depiction of Naruto's feelings towards his friends but...Why would he feel that Hinata is pulling away from him after she confessed ? They haven't even spoken to each other.(not that that is something new...) Perhaps it's Kishi's point of view ? I really don't know...

I think my wording there was a bit unclear. My point was, I think Naruto is just visualizing Hinata as shy, which is why she is turned away. It's how he normally sees her; it has nothing to do with the confession XD

@dl316bh

Unfortunately, I feel the same about his writing... But yeah, that's the point I was making.

Edited by Miss Soupy, 06 August 2010 - 01:25 AM.

[JG111580]

After rereading the chapter, I agree that this is not the FTG technique , since no kunai or seals were used (unless it can be used without Kunai or seals in confined spaces). However, Minato just used this very same technique to save Naruto from Madara in the flashback sequence (except Minato stopped without putting his foot throught the wall).

I think that whether the technique that Naruto used is just a D rank academy jutsu combined with super chakra or an advanced technique that only powerful shinobi in this series use isn't that important here. What is important is that Bee confirmed that this is a teleportation technique, Yamato made the statement that Naruto is not at the 4th's level (implying that the jutsu was known to be used by the 4th), Bee even made the "yellow flash" reference, and (as far as I can recall) Naruto has never used this technique before. That combined with seeing the 4th in action, using FTG to fight Madara, relocate the ninetails' chakra blasts, and the comment Minato made about the second level of the technique, make me feel fairly confident that a space/time jutsu, specifically FTG, is the technique that Naruto is meant to finish.

As for the picture, I think that it is open to interpretation. Being a NaruSaku fan, I definitely feel that it can be used as additional evidence of the eventual relationship with Sakura. Kushina's comments in the previous chapter seem to reinforce this notion. However, since there is no definitive proof, others can interpret it differently based on their points of view. A nice piece to add to our collection of evidence, but not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. I agree with those who believe that we will see NaruSaku become cannon near or at the very end, so for now I am just going to sit back and enjoy the ride.

[ShippudenGirl]

I can't wait for Guy vs. Kisame >D LOL now that he was elbowed and got a super punch he's going down...

[shadow_Uzumaki]

What makes the FTG the..er, the FTG is the fact that it uses seals.... It's basically a summoning technique really....

Naruto just happened to move so fast his blonde hair may've caused a yellow flash....

[Zin]

I think this is part of a problem of length. This manga's over five hundred chapters long now and Kishi's been kittening everyone around as far as shipping goes for about as long. Hints and such crop up from time to time - enough that I personally think that if you sit down and look it's not hard to come to the conclusion of which he's headed towards, if any at all - but if he's saving it for the end, he's probably doing the plotline a disservice. Obviously he wants to drag it out as long as possible - hey, let's face it, we make long romance plots good business by how hooked it keeps folks - but he should have made some kind of concrete advancement by now. You drag it out too long and you run the very real risk of frustrating your readers; which I'm guessing is the point that you are at.

To be honest, I'm not overly fond of Kishi's writing at this point in general, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms that isn't worth opening again.

I agree with all your points entirely. However, I think Kishi drags everything out too long... Was this latest flashback really even necessary ? And that certainly isn't the only time he's done something like that...

[Strangelove]

Romance in manga it's one of its biggest drugs.

[dl316bh]

I agree with all your points entirely. However, I think Kishi drags everything out too long... Was this latest flashback really even necessary ? And that certainly isn't the only time he's done something like that...

It seems to be a very real risk when a manga becomes very popular. The urge is there to stretch it out as long as possible. It's happened to other manga before; and, well, Naruto is/was the most popular series in manga or anime since DBZ.

[Derock]

It seems to be a very real risk when a manga becomes very popular. The urge is there to stretch it out as long as possible. It's happened to other manga before; and, well, Naruto is the most popular series in manga or anime since DBZ.

Fixed, because of this reason: it is consider a "cash cow" series, both in Japanese and International shores. One Piece may have top/outdone Naruto in Japanese shores but it's not as popular here in the US recently (actually, OP is basically obselete here. While the manga is still available, the anime has been cancelled for more than 3 years, no merchandise in stores, not even a new video game has pop out for the series). Bleach, while a very known manga/anime, is less popular but it's still hanging there, right behind Naruto.

[Insurrection]

Fixed, because of this reason: it is consider a "cash cow" series, both in Japanese and International shores. One Piece may have top/outdone Naruto in Japanese shores but it's not as popular here in the US recently (actually, OP is basically obselete here. While the manga is still available, the anime has been cancelled for more than 3 years, no merchandise in stores, not even a new video game has pop out for the series). Bleach, while a very known manga/anime, is less popular but it's still hanging there, right behind Naruto.

That's what happens when you decide to edit too much from the original form. No one wanted the dumbed down copy of One Piece sold to the American Audience by 4kids so it's nearly died out. I don't think I've seen "New" Bleach on Adult swim in months. Just wait when they try Fairy Tail or something. But this all just my opinion of course.

Edited by Insurrection, 06 August 2010 - 06:12 AM.

[Zin]

It seems to be a very real risk when a manga becomes very popular. The urge is there to stretch it out as long as possible. It's happened to other manga before; and, well, Naruto is/was the most popular series in manga or anime since DBZ.

I understand the reasons behind stretching it out but...it doesn't make it any less irritating...I just hope he doesn't alter too much of his story simply to increase revenue.

[puckreathof]

Actually, not to fan the flames or such, but to play a little Devil's Advocate, the image can easily be interpreted in a non-shippy fashion. At least, the whole Shikamaru Sakura thing. It was suggested Shikamaru's closeness is implying advisorship and their closer friendship/confidante status, which I agree is definitely the case, and someone with the big fat brains like Shika is a man I'd want as an adviser. Now, rather than Sakura being there for ship reasons, she could be the other advisor, just like Koharu and Homura were for Hiruzen. Especially considering that Sakura was the big kunoichi brain from their generation, it makes a lot of sense to view it that way. There hasn't been shown any real tradition in that sense, so we have to go off of the only example we've seen, so Shika and Sakura get the spots, and they basically replace the teammate dynamic that Hiruzen's advisors had.

Still, the boards are about discourse and we're always free to agree to disagree on what have you, nice and civilly.


Ideally, though, I'm still rooting for NS, just playing it close to the vest for now.

[Zin]

Actually, not to fan the flames or such, but to play a little Devil's Advocate, the image can easily be interpreted in a non-shippy fashion. At least, the whole Shikamaru Sakura thing. It was suggested Shikamaru's closeness is implying advisorship and their closer friendship/confidante status, which I agree is definitely the case, and someone with the big fat brains like Shika is a man I'd want as an adviser. Now, rather than Sakura being there for ship reasons, she could be the other advisor, just like Koharu and Homura were for Hiruzen. Especially considering that Sakura was the big kunoichi brain from their generation, it makes a lot of sense to view it that way. There hasn't been shown any real tradition in that sense, so we have to go off of the only example we've seen, so Shika and Sakura get the spots, and they basically replace the teammate dynamic that Hiruzen's advisors had.

Still, the boards are about discourse and we're always free to agree to disagree on what have you, nice and civilly.


Ideally, though, I'm still rooting for NS, just playing it close to the vest for now.

It could just as easily mean Sakura will be both advisor and romantic partner. *shrug* Judging by Kushina's interaction with Minato I'd have to say she had a lot of influence on his decisions most of the time. Same thing. The picture could mean a lot of things that's why it's best just to leave it be.

[Quinny52]

@Uzumakikage - I wasn't saying that you didn't know what the body flicker technique was, my post is there to explain the differences between the two techs; the requirements to use them, how they're executed etc. My post also explained the issue about the translation, and how it can confuse people. But all in all it was to explain why the jutsu Naruto used couldn't have been FTG.

When you said you think the tech was an advanced FTG, how could he have used an advanced version of it if he hasn't even been shown using it in its original form? Simple, he couldn't have because he hasn't learnt it yet. I'm not saying he won't learn it, we know he will and he may one day be able to advance it to a higher level. Someday. But right now that panel was not showing Naruto using FTG, it was showcasing how fast and strong Naruto is while he has his new cloak on, and using a simple tech like the body flicker along with it.

Also, sorry if I sounded condenscending or rude, it wasn't my intent.

Edited by Quinny52, 06 August 2010 - 08:05 AM.

[Hak]

For those who understand japanese soundeffect markings, what is the sound effect in here above naruto and is it similar to this, where minato uses Hiraishin on Madara?

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Eh, why even use the FTG if he's already incredibly fast.... The one disadvantage of that technique is the use of summoning seals to get where you need to go. If Naruto doesn't manage to tag Madara with a seal like his father did (something Madara SHOULD take into account after his fight with Minato) then Naruto probably wouldn't stand a chance..... However, we've been presented other ways of increasing your speed such as that lightning technique the Raikage used against Sasuke.... I'm pretty sure it was said that he was as fast as the Yellow Flash. This new form of Naruto's seem to be doing the same thing anyway....