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#121 jason voorhees

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 11:17 PM

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 11:53 PM

Is it okay if I mentionned my favorite crack pairing Naruto x Tobi? I'm pretty sure they would have more in common than Naruto had with Hinata.

Come to think of it, a relationship with Hinata should be best interpreted as one-night stand. They pretty much have nothing in common, no patience or devotion for each other, no interaction. On what basis would they be able to build a durable relationship.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 12:10 AM

QUOTE (holy_demon @ Oct 20 2010, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto x Tobi

oh God there is so many things wrong with that.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 02:22 AM

Kenny, why'd you have to go and push the big red button? WHY? arg.gif Now we've got a Naval war on our hands.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 03:26 AM

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 03:30 AM

Kenny-kun I seriously don't have a clue what has happened to you. You're a NS fan but what you've been saying lately it feels like you're possessed. You're actually stating that the fillers are Kishi's ideas they're NOT, fillers are just made up crap that the animatorrs use so the manga gets far ahead. They just insert pointless fillers of Hinata and Naruto just to give fan service (it doesn't mean that Kishi is behind the fillers).

It looks like you're someone else maybe someone hacked your account and is pretending to be you. You're also saying that Naruto and Sakura are brother and sister you're giving the main pointless reason for NH fans to defend their pairing when that has been proved dozens of time to be wrong.
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Posted 21 October 2010 - 04:01 AM

And that is why we do not feed the trolls right guys?

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 04:13 AM

Few things Kenny.

First you say that the manga proves NaruHina. Then you say the anime has the proof. Which one should we follow? The anime has contradicted the manga and since the manga came out first the manga is the first source. According to Kishimoto, the manga is more canon as he makes it himself. Anime is made by another studio BASED on the manga.

Two, you said that Kishimoto said that NaruHina is canon and yet you also say he lies. Which one is it? He can't lie AND tell the truth at the same time. BTW, I don't ever recall him saying NaruHina was canon. At all.

So let me guess if Kishimoto says "NaruHina is canon" he is telling the truth, but if he says "NaruSaku is canon" it is a lie? So no matter what, he is always lying. Yeah that's makes sence.

Three, Naruto has not been thinking about Hinata close to a 100 chapters now. If anything, he only thought about her once when he was talking to his mother, but then again he thought about everyone including Sakura so I guess Naruto is in love with everyone if "thinking" about someone automatically makes them in love with them.

Four, you have contradicted yourself Kenny so many times that there too much to even list. If I had the time, I would point them out.

Five, we all that by now confessions mean diddly squat. So unless Naruto walks up to Hinata, says he loves her, and kisses her, marries her and has 3.5 children. Then it is not canon. Same goes for Sakura. And no, the "off screen things" don't exists. Straight forward or none at all. We have yet to see any relationship truly make that final push though NaruSaku has come close.

All that matters is what happens ON screen.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 07:17 AM

If this guy Kenny IS NaruHina or if he's just pulling our legs, I don't know. If he is NH then that's fine, but I don't know WHO he's trying to convince, considering he chooses to use arguements like this:
QUOTE (Kenny-kun @ Oct 20 2010, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The anime is more canon than the manga. All the filler is stuff Kishimoto didn't have time to include. If he had problem with the anime, he would've said something by now.

......Seriously dude, if your trying to make us all laugh, you're going the right way about it.

Whatever, let's get back to the actual topic before all this blows up and gets out of hand.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 07:26 AM

After reading Kenny's post I was going to state some things but James practically said it all.

I never got NH, not from the beginning, not ever. I could see the "logic" but it was more cheap, biased excuses to me.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 08:28 AM

QUOTE (pharix @ Oct 21 2010, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
oh God there is so many things wrong with that.


They just somehow appeal to me. Both are thinker who chose to act stupid 90% of the time. Nvm the fact that they interacted with each other, and somewhat curious/interested about the other to actually do something, more than NaruHina ever did. In fact NaruHina would be even less canon than NaruTobi if not for the confession. I just can't comprehend the kind of love where both parties did absolute nothing to show their "mutual love and understanding"

Back to main topic, since NaruHina is essentially a paring with just kittens, sappy romance and no actual effort in making a stable relationship, it appeals to people who look for easy and quick one-night stand.

Edited by holy_demon, 21 October 2010 - 08:32 AM.


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Posted 21 October 2010 - 10:53 AM

I am pretty sure Kenny is joking.

For me, it feels like the idea that Sakura would have loved to be chidoried by Sasuke because then Sasuke has touched her.

I mean it's ludicrous and it just seems like Kenny is making ludricrous statements as a joke.

Anyhow on topic, as a former NaruHina shipper (as a side note, when I was a Naruhina shipper, I didn't read the manga at all and watched the anime very rarely), I mainly liked the couple since I felt Sasuke could turn to like Sakura and that Naruto should have Hinata since Sakura was going to get together with Sasuke. So it was pretty much just to piggyback by Sasusaku deal.

I jumped ship to narusaku after I saw the first episode of Naruto shippuden. As for why I jumped, I don't know... it just feels right to me.

Edited by dracopoi, 21 October 2010 - 10:54 AM.


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Posted 21 October 2010 - 05:58 PM

Remember NaruSaku lovers, you asked for it! Don't blame me when you go home crying in tears, realizing that NaruHina is the ONE TRUE Naruto pairing. All you can do is prepare yourselves as I give you the proverbial smackdown which you won't soon forget!


Lesson 1: ABSOLUTE PROOF of NaruHina



http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

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Lesson 2: Manga proof.

Although the manga is vastly inferior to the anime and is in now way as canon, even the manga proves NaruHina. Check out chapter 450!

http://manga.bleache...450-page-4.html

Notice the look on Naruto's face. The girl he supposedly loves is holding onto him, but he is looking elsewhere. Indeed, he is looking into the crowd. And what does he see?

http://manga.bleache...450-page-5.html

Whose face is it on the first panel after Sakura says "thank you?" It's Hinata. Naruto was looking at Hinata and she was smiling at him. Not only proof that he doesn't love Sakura anymore than a sister, but proof that Hinata was on his mind.


Then there's Kushina's statement: http://manga.bleache...04-page-12.html

There are ONLY two interpretations to this. Both which prove NaruHina.

1) When you think about it, Kushina is NOTHING like Sakura. They have absolutely NOTHING in common. If anything, Kushina in like Naruto, but also just like Hinata. Hinata was bullied by Neji, but stood up to him. Sakura never stood up to anyone. And both Kushina and Hinata have long hair. So when Kushina said find a girl like her, she meant Hinata.

2) Although she does say don't pick a weird one. There is ample reason to think that Sakura is the weird one (a girl with super strength? Bizarre). But even if you still consider Hinata the weird one, Naruto doesn't reflect on Kushina's thoughts about what kind of women to pursue in the next chapter. Why? Because he has made up his mind and has settled for the weird one. wink.gif

http://manga.bleache...505-page-3.html

This picture alone speaks volumes. Notice how both Naruto and Hinata are looking in the same direction whereas Sakura is looking in the opposite direction. Kishimoto is a big fan of symbolism and this is his way of saying that Sakura will follow someone other than Naruto.

Edited by Kenny-kun, 21 October 2010 - 06:00 PM.


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Posted 21 October 2010 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ Oct 20 2010, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you say Naruto and Hinata are meant to be because of the anime, but you're sorely mistaken Kenny, this video proves without a shadow of a doubt the interact and development both Naruto and Sakura have had and it's all based off the manga which is the source material unlike the anime:



(Thanks for the video link Gravenimage)
I watched that whole video and the entire thing is taking scenes out of context. Every moment assumes that just because Naruto cares about Sakura and loves her (which can be on a sibling level), that he loves her like a lover. I can post a whole video showing moments which prove Naruto cares about Kakashi, but it doesn't mean Naruto is in love with Kakashi. Besides, you say proof this and proof that. Whereas you rely absolutely on proof, NaruHina (although it has plenty) doesn't need proof. Love and dedication from the fans has kept it strong even in some of the darker moments of Naruto history and Kishimoto has rewarded our faith.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Oct 21 2010, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Few things Kenny.

First you say that the manga proves NaruHina. Then you say the anime has the proof. Which one should we follow? The anime has contradicted the manga and since the manga came out first the manga is the first source. According to Kishimoto, the manga is more canon as he makes it himself. Anime is made by another studio BASED on the manga.
The anime first as a rule of thumb. If the manga contradicts the anime, we disregard the manga because the anime is Kishimoto's complete vision. The manga is nothing more than an outline.

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Two, you said that Kishimoto said that NaruHina is canon and yet you also say he lies. Which one is it? He can't lie AND tell the truth at the same time. BTW, I don't ever recall him saying NaruHina was canon. At all.
He's always serious about Hinata. If he isn't talking about Hinata, we are to ignore what he says as he could be lying or joking.


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Three, Naruto has not been thinking about Hinata close to a 100 chapters now. If anything, he only thought about her once when he was talking to his mother, but then again he thought about everyone including Sakura so I guess Naruto is in love with everyone if "thinking" about someone automatically makes them in love with them.
He has been thinking about Hinata. We just haven't seen him thinking, because it's unnecessary. Just as it's unnecessary for Kishimoto to show the earth revolving around the sun or the sky being blue. These are things we know.

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All that matters is what happens ON screen.
I agree. It doesn't matter that most of the NaruHina moments take place off screen because it's already been established as true!!!!

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 10:45 PM

Dude you're starting to open up a bee hive's worth of trouble...

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Given that he's blatantly stating his opinions on THIS board, I'm sure he's just trying to get under our skin. I probably shouldn't reply, as it will only encourage him...but what the hey.

A few things you need to understand in regard to manga and anime adaptations: The original creators do not have much say in how the animated series goes. They can give a few suggestions, but that's it. The creators are generally too busy with their own work, the manga, to talk with the studios on a regular basis. It would also be quite pointless for him to direct episodes that he already wrote and drew, which is why someone else takes the helm.Even if Kishi came up with a few ideas on how to improve his work in animated form or for a filler arc, he would have no control over how it went or how everyone is characterized. A studio buys the rights, and from there that's it. The studio as far as they are concerned can screw it up entirely but everything is fine so long as it sells well. Since it's main job is to promote the manga, shonen jump could care less if it's a poor adaptation, if people like it, it means they will also buy their manga. There are a couple of instances where the animation team will address the creator's concerns, but usually they just let it go. Watsuki blatantly stated he did not like the Kenshin OVAs, and Akamatsu was not too thrilled with how Negima turned out. To say the anime is better is a matter of opinion; even if that was true, it would not erase the manga from being canon. And such a thing is a rarity, as generally the manga is viewed as better than its anime adaptation (usually due to filler inserted), the only exception I can think of amongst fans perceiving the anime as better would be Yu Yu Hakusho, and that's probably because it was made after the manga ended (no need for fillers, and perhaps the creator had more control).

Also, I'm not seeing the sibling relationship between Naruto and Sakura you and many others speak of. Early in Part 2, Naruto keeps asking Sakura out on dates, even in the anime. If I viewed a girl as a sister, I would simply say "Wanna hang out somewhere?" Then there was the time he was thinking of peeking on her in the hot springs, indicating he has some sexual interest in her. When Sai asked why doesn't Naruto tell Sakura his feelings, he responds "How could I?" If he viewed Sakura as you say he does, he would have simply said "I don't think of her like that." On Sakura's end, that hug was NOT a "bro"-hug. Any of your sisters hug you like that, where they cup the back of your head? Across cultures, that's a sign of intimacy. Also, even if you think Sakura was completely dishonest during her confession (and we doubt that), it was used because they knew Naruto has romantic feelings for Sakura, and if she viewed him as a brother, there would've been so many other things she could have said, but instead she said "I Love You" in a romantic fashion, not a sibling fashion.

As for Kushina, the only similarity I see between her and Hinata is long hair. She's not an EXACT duplicate of Sakura (I think that would promp Naruto to NOT pursue Sakura romantically), but they do have similarities (short-tempered, red-palate colored hair, hated a certain part of their body which the man they originally did not like loved). Not to mention Naruto viewed Hinata as weird, and even told her; Kushina told him not to pick a weird one, remember? wink.gif

And sorry, but I don't see how Kishimoto could be serious about Hinata and not Sakura. Even when the later was getting the short end of the stick, she has always been far more prominent than Hinata. Kishimoto also stated that since her creation he grew quite fond of her, and said that from now on he'll try to give her a more heroic role. So, I don't see how he would suddenly give Hinata a more prominent role. If Kishimoto wanted to make NaruHina more likely if not canon, and if that hug was sibling like as you say, what was stopping her from running over to Naruto and giving him a kiss? Naruto could have taken the time to at least talk to Hinata if he developed any feelings for her, like right after defeating Nagato and declaring his ultimatum to Sasuke. He DID have time to hang out with her then, but he didn't. Could he have "confessed" off-screen somewhere in between that we'll see later? Possibly. But it doesn't make much sense to take nearly 100 chapters to show that scene and have Hinata in the background. As far as we know, he never addressed her feelings, and if I were in Hinata's shoes, I'd be pissed. If Kishimoto wants NaruHina to happen, he's doing a terrible job of making it believable when it does

Also, you are by all means entitled to your opinion and allowed to debate it, so long as you've just come here to hang out and have a good time, and respect everyone else's preference. But you really need remember where you are, and understand that you're not going to sway a good portion of this board. If you're here simply to troll your dislike of this site's choice of pairing, there are several more Naruto sites that will allow you to do so.

Edited by Kodachi Claws, 22 October 2010 - 12:27 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:04 AM

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Kenny has gone bye-bye, Toasty. What have you got left?

(If you get the reference.)

I don't really know if it is serious or joking Kenny-kun, but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. Sorry, but you are wrong and playing it up like every NaruHina fan does like making up a church building where trees are in a picture with Hinata sitting down while Naruto, walking with Sakura, doesn't even pay attention to her.

If you are joking, you are not funny. Write better material.

Also Kodachi Claws, good job mate. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 October 2010 - 12:09 AM.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (Kenny-kun @ Oct 21 2010, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Remember NaruSaku lovers, you asked for it! Don't blame me when you go home crying in tears, realizing that NaruHina is the ONE TRUE Naruto pairing. All you can do is prepare yourselves as I give you the proverbial smackdown which you won't soon forget!


Lesson 1: ABSOLUTE PROOF of NaruHina



http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Lesson 2: Manga proof.

Although the manga is vastly inferior to the anime and is in now way as canon, even the manga proves NaruHina. Check out chapter 450!

http://manga.bleache...450-page-4.html

Notice the look on Naruto's face. The girl he supposedly loves is holding onto him, but he is looking elsewhere. Indeed, he is looking into the crowd. And what does he see?

http://manga.bleache...450-page-5.html

Whose face is it on the first panel after Sakura says "thank you?" It's Hinata. Naruto was looking at Hinata and she was smiling at him. Not only proof that he doesn't love Sakura anymore than a sister, but proof that Hinata was on his mind.


Then there's Kushina's statement: http://manga.bleache...04-page-12.html

There are ONLY two interpretations to this. Both which prove NaruHina.

1) When you think about it, Kushina is NOTHING like Sakura. They have absolutely NOTHING in common. If anything, Kushina in like Naruto, but also just like Hinata. Hinata was bullied by Neji, but stood up to him. Sakura never stood up to anyone. And both Kushina and Hinata have long hair. So when Kushina said find a girl like her, she meant Hinata.

2) Although she does say don't pick a weird one. There is ample reason to think that Sakura is the weird one (a girl with super strength? Bizarre). But even if you still consider Hinata the weird one, Naruto doesn't reflect on Kushina's thoughts about what kind of women to pursue in the next chapter. Why? Because he has made up his mind and has settled for the weird one. wink.gif

http://manga.bleache...505-page-3.html

This picture alone speaks volumes. Notice how both Naruto and Hinata are looking in the same direction whereas Sakura is looking in the opposite direction. Kishimoto is a big fan of symbolism and this is his way of saying that Sakura will follow someone other than Naruto.


Everything is biased you're not proving any solid evidence of NH funny that most of the NH proof is from the anime duh fillers. rolleyes.gif

The manga only showed Hinata crying obviously because she was relief that Naruto returned to the village safe and sound.....okay your point is??? huh.gif so you're saying that just because Hinata cried for Naruto that means the pairing is canon??? my friend if that was the case then NS is already canon how many times has Sakura cried for Naruto??? rolleyes.gif

You're allso using the picture of the rookies to prove that NH is canon Hinata is looking the opposite way like Kishi is trying to hide her while Naruto looks prefectly happy and Sakura looking at him with a warm smile (I really don't get what you're trying to prove with the picture honestly).

I already know you're not Kenny-kun some hacker that hijacked his account.

Edited by Gravenimage, 22 October 2010 - 12:14 AM.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:47 AM

I will say this first: DO NOT Double/Triple post, Kenny-kun. If I catch you doing this again, you'll receive an official warning.

Second, this part needs to heard for any single NaruHina fan who tried to use Chapter 450 as their so-called proof (and NaruSaku fans can use this) :

"If you are SO in love with the guy, why the f-ing hell didn't you have the guts to knock Sakura away and hugged/kiss him instead?!" And don't you dare say Sakura was closer/near to him or Kishimoto just drew Sakura near Naruto just for the benefit.


And third, I'm going have to close the thread because now its like another debate with the same arguments.

... Scratch that... I might as well merge this to the debate thread.

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