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[Black Rose]

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[Muffins?]

pretty much sums it up.

[catsi563]

Did you know him and Biden also went golfing this weekend like Hayward took his Yacht to a race, that's some kind of dedication and worrying about the problem they have.

Oh come on Uzumakikage you can do better then that. How is the president and VP taking couple of hours off to play golf going to affect the spill?

seriously do you trully believe that their being on call 24/7 is going to make a difference? whats going to happen? is the oil spill going to be soooo impressed by Obamas dedication that itll just spontaneously plug itself? plllleeeeasse.

Im sorry next time you take a day off from work to recover from illness or to clear your mind of stress let us know so we can question your dedication to your job/school etc.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Oh come on Uzumakikage you can do better then that. How is the president and VP taking couple of hours off to play golf going to affect the spill?

seriously do you trully believe that their being on call 24/7 is going to make a difference? whats going to happen? is the oil spill going to be soooo impressed by Obamas dedication that itll just spontaneously plug itself? plllleeeeasse.

QFT

[Dreamer]

Oh come on Uzumakikage you can do better then that. How is the president and VP taking couple of hours off to play golf going to affect the spill?

seriously do you trully believe that their being on call 24/7 is going to make a difference? whats going to happen? is the oil spill going to be soooo impressed by Obamas dedication that itll just spontaneously plug itself? plllleeeeasse.

Im sorry next time you take a day off from work to recover from illness or to clear your mind of stress let us know so we can question your dedication to your job/school etc.

He already made a big mistake in turning down the boom supply aid ships after the disaster. If i'm sick that's understandable but if I'm not working then it's really no excuse on my behalf other than being sick or working towards finding a better job (with company tests or interviews).

Edited by Uzumakikage, 21 June 2010 - 06:10 PM.

[catsi563]

He didnt turn down that aid though. in point of fact thats what one of the laughable things is from palin. she was saying that he screwed up by not bringing in the norwegians and dutch in earlier, but the truth was that he did accept help from them in the form of boom ships and other technichal aid.

Thats what makes this so laughable, his biggest detractors cant even get their own stories straight.

[Dreamer]

He didnt turn down that aid though. in point of fact thats what one of the laughable things is from palin. she was saying that he screwed up by not bringing in the norwegians and dutch in earlier, but the truth was that he did accept help from them in the form of boom ships and other technichal aid.

Thats what makes this so laughable, his biggest detractors cant even get their own stories straight.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 22 June 2010 - 02:04 AM.

[Insurrection]

What are the dutch supposed to do about the oil spill? "Clog" it? There mastery is for keeping themselves above sea level. I'm of the opinion that if I were in charge everyone would be fired or reassigned for cleanup.

Edited by Insurrection, 21 June 2010 - 07:19 PM.

[catsi563]

thats naother laugh, according to Palin the dutch should have been brought in because and I quote "They have experience with dykes." end quote.

this logic harkening back to the infamous I have foreign policy experince because russias accross the strait from alaska.

Ill grant they do have some technical expertise in certian areas with spill technology, And the pres did ask for and recieve some technical expertise and equipment.

its really sad honestly. The man could swim down there himself and plug the hole with his body stopping every drop of oil and his detractors would complain that he wasnt drowning fast enough.

[K9ofChaos]

EVERYONE WHO KEEPS OVER CRITICIZING OBAMA SHOULD JUST SHUT THE F*** UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HE'S DOING EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLY TO STOP THIS DAMN CRISIS IN IT'S F***ING TRACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO WHAT IF HE'S KEEPING HIS F***ING COOL, HE'S SUPOSE TO DO THAT SCINCE HE'S THE F***ING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED F***ING STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I WOULDN'T BE CONFIDENT IN A PRESIDENT THAT WOULD BE FREAKING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRISES BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE EXPECTED BEHAVIOR FOR THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AT LEAST HE'S ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING UNLIKE THAT RETARDED HOMOPHOBIC REDNECK MONKEY OF A PRESIDENT KNOWN AS GORGE BUSH THE SECOND, BUT THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING MEDIA DEMONIZES HIM AS A NAZI/COMMUNIST/TERRORIST/ANTICHRIST WITHOUT ANY SOLID LEGITIMATE ARGUMENTS TO BACK THEM UP WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE UNBEARABLE HYPOCRISY OF RUSH LIMBAUGE AND THE AGONIZING STUPIDITY OF SARAH PEANUT BRAIN PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I THINK THAT ALL THIS CRAP SPEWING FROM THE RIGHT WING MEDIA'S MOUTH IS DUE TO THE TENSION OF BARACK OBAMA BEING THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND EVERYONE WHO DEMONIZES HIM SEEMS TO BE A CLOSET RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE VERY LITTLE HOPE IN HUMANITY AND BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE ON THE PLANET HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALSO IT'S IN HUMAN NATURE TO BE HOSTILE TO ANYTHING DIFFERENT FORM THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND IF ANY OF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING WELL THATS TO F***ING BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm done ranting for now. . . . . The only thing that's probably keeping us from going apes*** is the fact that were all narusaku fans.


We're all just pawns in gods cruel game of chess. Just shut up everyone, just shut up.

[Derock]

*feels like to close this thread*

Tone it down, will ya?

[Strangelove]

EVERYONE WHO KEEPS OVER CRITICIZING OBAMA SHOULD JUST SHUT THE F*** UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HE'S DOING EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLY TO STOP THIS DAMN CRISIS IN IT'S F***ING TRACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO WHAT IF HE'S KEEPING HIS F***ING COOL, HE'S SUPOSE TO DO THAT SCINCE HE'S THE F***ING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED F***ING STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I WOULDN'T BE CONFIDENT IN A PRESIDENT THAT WOULD BE FREAKING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRISES BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE EXPECTED BEHAVIOR FOR THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AT LEAST HE'S ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING UNLIKE THAT RETARDED HOMOPHOBIC REDNECK MONKEY OF A PRESIDENT KNOWN AS GORGE BUSH THE SECOND, BUT THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING MEDIA DEMONIZES HIM AS A NAZI/COMMUNIST/TERRORIST/ANTICHRIST WITHOUT ANY SOLID LEGITIMATE ARGUMENTS TO BACK THEM UP WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE UNBEARABLE HYPOCRISY OF RUSH LIMBAUGE AND THE AGONIZING STUPIDITY OF SARAH PEANUT BRAIN PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I THINK THAT ALL THIS CRAP SPEWING FROM THE RIGHT WING MEDIA'S MOUTH IS DUE TO THE TENSION OF BARACK OBAMA BEING THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND EVERYONE WHO DEMONIZES HIM SEEMS TO BE A CLOSET RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE VERY LITTLE HOPE IN HUMANITY AND BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE ON THE PLANET HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALSO IT'S IN HUMAN NATURE TO BE HOSTILE TO ANYTHING DIFFERENT FORM THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND IF ANY OF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING WELL THATS TO F***ING BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm done ranting for now. . . . . The only thing that's probably keeping us from going apes*** is the fact that were all narusaku fans.


We're all just pawns in gods cruel game of chess. Just shut up everyone, just shut up.

Take a chill pill...we have a right to criticize Obama. Just like people had a right to criticize Bush, and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan, and Carter, and The Nixon Administration.

If i were you, i would just edit the post, or delete it as a whole.

[Nate River]

EVERYONE WHO KEEPS OVER CRITICIZING OBAMA SHOULD JUST SHUT THE F*** UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AT LEAST HE'S ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING UNLIKE THAT RETARDED HOMOPHOBIC REDNECK MONKEY OF A PRESIDENT KNOWN AS GORGE BUSH THE SECOND, BUT THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING MEDIA DEMONIZES HIM AS A NAZI/COMMUNIST/TERRORIST/ANTICHRIST WITHOUT ANY SOLID LEGITIMATE ARGUMENTS TO BACK THEM UP WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE UNBEARABLE HYPOCRISY OF RUSH LIMBAUGE AND THE AGONIZING STUPIDITY OF SARAH PEANUT BRAIN PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm........

I THINK THAT ALL THIS CRAP SPEWING FROM THE RIGHT WING MEDIA'S MOUTH IS DUE TO THE TENSION OF BARACK OBAMA BEING THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND EVERYONE WHO DEMONIZES HIM SEEMS TO BE A CLOSET RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, you got me. I'm a closet racist. I couldn't possibly object to any of his policies on their merits. Speaking of which...



Dissent is the highest form of patriotism until they dissent against you.

I SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE VERY LITTLE HOPE IN HUMANITY AND BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE ON THE PLANET HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some have more potential than others.

ALSO IT'S IN HUMAN NATURE TO BE HOSTILE TO ANYTHING DIFFERENT FORM THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't say.....

[Insurrection]

EVERYONE WHO KEEPS OVER CRITICIZING OBAMA SHOULD JUST SHUT THE F*** UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HE'S DOING EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLY TO STOP THIS DAMN CRISIS IN IT'S F***ING TRACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO WHAT IF HE'S KEEPING HIS F***ING COOL, HE'S SUPOSE TO DO THAT SCINCE HE'S THE F***ING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED F***ING STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WOULDN'T BE CONFIDENT IN A PRESIDENT THAT WOULD BE FREAKING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRISES BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE EXPECTED BEHAVIOR FOR THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AT LEAST HE'S ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING UNLIKE THAT RETARDED HOMOPHOBIC REDNECK MONKEY OF A PRESIDENT KNOWN AS GORGE BUSH THE SECOND, BUT THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING MEDIA DEMONIZES HIM AS A NAZI/COMMUNIST/TERRORIST/ANTICHRIST WITHOUT ANY SOLID LEGITIMATE ARGUMENTS TO BACK THEM UP WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE UNBEARABLE HYPOCRISY OF RUSH LIMBAUGE AND THE AGONIZING STUPIDITY OF SARAH PEANUT BRAIN PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I THINK THAT ALL THIS CRAP SPEWING FROM THE RIGHT WING MEDIA'S MOUTH IS DUE TO THE TENSION OF BARACK OBAMA BEING THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND EVERYONE WHO DEMONIZES HIM SEEMS TO BE A CLOSET RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE VERY LITTLE HOPE IN HUMANITY AND BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE ON THE PLANET HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALSO IT'S IN HUMAN NATURE TO BE HOSTILE TO ANYTHING DIFFERENT FORM THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND IF ANY OF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING WELL THATS TO F***ING BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm done ranting for now. . . . . The only thing that's probably keeping us from going apes*** is the fact that were all narusaku fans.

We're all just pawns in gods cruel game of chess. Just shut up everyone, just shut up.

What the F#$@? You done Dude! There's a difference, your human nature doesn't excuse you from being a total ass. Read before posting.

Edited by Insurrection, 22 June 2010 - 03:20 AM.

[Nick Soapdish]

That they agreed to it doesn't make it legal. There is some doubt that Obama has the power to do what he did. I'm honestly not sure of the answer to that question.

I don't like Obama. This changes nothing for me. I thought he was weak and incompetent long before this. My personal irritation is not so much at him, but at those who roasted Bush for years over Katrina suddenly discovering the limitations and problems of government and the massive bureaucracy it supports. Speaking of which...has he tried to blame Bush for this yet?

Bush wasn't roasted for the limitations of government in the response for Katrina. He was roasted because he:

• Stayed on vacation after the hurricane. This isn't really a fair criticism because it's not like he has to be in his office to take calls. I'm sure that he has television, phones and internet all at his ranch in order to keep connected, but the perception is that he didn't think it was a problem. This was reinforced when
• His go-to guy said that there were no problems in New Orleans even while all the cable news networks were showing the meltdown in the Superdome. So obviously, his man in charge wasn't watching TV or in communication with anyone who was.
• And then Bush praised his guy for doing "a heckuva job" suggesting that Bush was also oblivious to the problem - and that's why the vacation was a problem. It just compounded the appearance of unconcern.

Oh, and he also provided the right with unlimited ammunition for a snappy new nickname. I've lost count of the times I've seen some variation of Captain Kickass; President Kickass, and so on. Of all the times he had to talk about kicking ass, it had to be on the heals of a movie called Kickass. Talk about bad timing,

I won't lie, I think the kickass jokes are funny, but then I could just like saying kickass.

Obama's kickass line was pretty laughable. I've seen Obama do a credible job of looking angry, but he doesn't cuss worth a damn.

Ah, I see.

Punish a bunch of people who didn't cause the damage because their plan to deal with a potential disaster that had yet to happen turns out, in hindsight, not to work.

Besides making you feel better how is that anymore effective than the pundits anger Obama?

If the caused the spill in Utah. Fine, but punish them for damage they actually caused.

I would think that if we have learned one thing from the oil spill, it's that the regulations are woefully inadequate and poorly enforced. Why is it a bad thing to take a few months to try and look at the situation. Ok, we're not going to be able to fix decades of neglect, but maybe we can at least catch the most glaring errors.

And it's not like the other oil companies are blameless. They've pushed just as hard as BP for those lax regulations that allowed the spill.

Engage in the same behavior isn't productive nor fair, but with that said: I am all out of sympathy for a man and his Congress who still haven't left the Bush years.

We're talking about Republicans here, right? Honestly, they've been like that since Clinton. The main way that the Democrats haven't left the Bush years is that they're still willing to bend over backwards for the Republicans at the drop of a hat.

Gov. Bobby Jindal is doing a good job or at least trying Catsi. He's trying to use every method of cleaning up the oil spill even if the berms on the beaches might not seem much but it still helps for the time being. Jindal was also the one who was trying to prove to BP and the Govt that the vacuum pumps work good in collecting oil from the grass and mud in the marshes (which they do). Unlike Obama who turned down the boom supply aid ships a couple days after the disaster. Kevin Costner now has a good centrafuse vacuum pump that can separate 100% of the oil and water.

I said before that they should've approved the berms faster, but the berms don't help for the short term. It's the solution of someone desperate to do anything and getting to spend someone else's money to do it. I don't have a real problem with wasting BP's money on it, but I am concerned that BP might contest the need - particularly if they weren't thoroughly reviewed (which they haven't been and certainly wouldn't have been when I said to go ahead).

• They'll take nine months to construct. (I initially thought it would just be about six.) So oil is going to be washing over the marshes in Louisiana for four to seven months - plenty of time to be inundated.
• Sand doesn't catch the oil. It'll still seep through.
• It's tough to clean oil from sand. Either we'll have billions of tons of contaminated sand (instead of billions of gallons of oil) to dispose of or we'll just let it wash away and spread around.
• It'll probably wash away very soon. When you're trying to do this a beach renourishment program (which is a vast understatement of what this is), you need to take into account the wave action of the area, the currents and how the new berm will change that. Last I heard, we had pretty lousy data for that in most of the Gulf Coast. That kind of research and modelling takes time. Lots of beach renourishment programs have washed away in the first storm event because of a lack of proper planning. Spending a month before jumping into action doesn't count as proper planning (and they had the proposal "ready" well before that).
• There is a strong potential that it will cause additional damage, particularly if poorly planned. The changed currents can erode the marshes even faster or push oil through the narrower channels. The sand can wash away and bury seagrasses (if there are any left in the region) which aren't likely to be severely affected by the oil. (They aren't on the surface so won't get hit by the scum and shouldn't trap the rolling tarballs either.) However, burying seagrasses is pretty bad for them. The berms may also cause abiotic regions in the waters trapped behind them, killing the nurseries.

On the whole, I think that the odds of them being worse than the oil spill are very slim. Most of the potential damages that they'd cause would've already been done by the oil - although that also ties into them closing the barn door after the fox got in. I just think that any help from them will be minimal and I think that it's a missed opportunity.

What we should've done after Katrina is recognize that the degraded saltmarshes and lack of barrier islands have completely stripped the Louisiana coast of any protection and started planning for rebuilding barrier islands then. I understand why they weren't. It's a huge expense and with all of the other rebuilding expenses required by Katrina, the ecosystem and preventative systems are going to take a backseat. I don't blame Bush for that. I don't blame Obama either - although it would've been a good stimulus project along with getting further along in fixing the Everglades. The political mood just wasn't favorable for such a huge environmental project.

Maybe we'll get lucky and this rush job will do a decent job of restoring the coast. But I would rather have spent extra time to make sure that we did it right. I hope that the Mississippi restoration plan will do that. Maybe it can tie into the berms and fix some of the flaws.

Edited by Nick Soapdish, 22 June 2010 - 03:14 AM.

[Nate River]

Bush wasn't roasted for the limitations of government in the response for Katrina. He was roasted because he:

Stayed on vacation after the hurricane. This isn't really a fair criticism because it's not like he has to be in his office to take calls. I'm sure that he has television, phones and internet all at his ranch in order to keep connected, but the perception is that he didn't think it was a problem. This was reinforced when
His go-to guy said that there were no problems in New Orleans even while all the cable news networks were showing the meltdown in the Superdome.

How is this distinctly different than Obama golfing or Hayward going to the yacht race? I really don't have an issue with the golfing, but is seems hypocritical to whine about Hayward and giving Obama a pass on the golfing.

I would think that if we have learned one thing from the oil spill, it's that the regulations are woefully inadequate and poorly enforced. Why is it a bad thing to take a few months to try and look at the situation. Ok, we're not going to be able to fix decades of neglect, but maybe we can at least catch the most glaring errors.

And it's not like the other oil companies are blameless. They've pushed just as hard as BP for those lax regulations that allowed the spill.

It was my understanding they weren't even complying with the ones currently in place. If that's the case, isn't that going to be the first step? In fact, anybody suing BP for negligence or pursuing criminal charges is going to have to say just that, otherwise no theory for liability exists and Obama's threats of criminal charges are completely empty. Moreover, if complying with current regulations wouldn't have done anything, I think you may have issues for establishing actual and proximate cause.

Do we even know the exact cause of the disaster in this case? Wasn't that one of the purposes for the moratorium on offshore drilling? Is to figure that out?

If that's the cause then what regulations should have been in place? I worry about a pre-mature calls for tons more regs if one of the problems is that the currents ones weren't complied with or enforced and that in the end we end up with another Sarbanes-Oxley,which had the unfortunate side effect of punishing a bunch of small business it was never meant to go after.

We're talking about Republicans here, right? Honestly, they've been like that since Clinton. The main way that the Democrats haven't left the Bush years is that they're still willing to bend over backwards for the Republicans at the drop of a hat.

We can keep playing this and it'd never end. I don't ask nor expect sympathy from anyone regarding Bush, but I also wasn't posting profanity ridden tirades demanding people layoff Bush from 2005-2008 either. I only started speaking up when people began complaining about behavior they were actively engaged in prior to Obama's election, now expecting people like myself to layoff and feel sorry for the man. I'm not going to do that.

Weren't Clinton's most successfully years with that same batch of Republicans? I don't necessarily mean that as a prop for Republicans, but for divided control in general. Politicians speak of bipartisanship, but most aren't genuine about it. I genuinely believe that bipartisanship will only happen when it is forced. Right now, neither side has much incentive to do it.

[Muffins?]

Take a chill pill...we have a right to criticize Obama. Just like people had a right to criticize Bush, and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan, and Carter, and The Nixon Administration.

If i were you, i would just edit the post, or delete it as a whole.

QFT

[Insurrection]

Of course there's bipartisanship Nate, there's bipartisanship to screw us for their personal gain.

Besides I always thought the cause was corporate ignorance, political corruption, and a large methane bubble that came up the pipe igniting the explosion which occured during a cocktail party for a spotless saftey record with no warning or functional riser system.

Edited by Insurrection, 22 June 2010 - 04:22 AM.

[Nick Soapdish]

How is this distinctly different than Obama golfing or Hayward going to the yacht race? I really don't have an issue with the golfing, but is seems hypocritical to whine about Hayward and giving Obama a pass on the golfing.

Obama has at least made a pretense of believing that there was a crisis which Bush first ignored while on vacation and then praised Brown's inaction.

I think Hayward's problem stems from being the guy to point to as being to blame (unlike even Bush for Katrina since he didn't cause the hurricane) and then complaining about losing his leisure time when tens of thousands have lost their livelihoods and eleven lost their lives.

It was a stupid move and any kind of public leisure is going to make it look worse - particularly one that smacks of elitism.

It was my understanding they weren't even complying with the ones currently in place. If that's the case, isn't that going to be the first step? In fact, anybody suing BP for negligence or pursuing criminal charges is going to have to say just that, otherwise no theory for liability exists and Obama's threats of criminal charges are completely empty. Moreover, if complying with current regulations wouldn't have done anything, I think you may have issues for establishing actual and proximate cause.

Do we even know the exact cause of the disaster in this case? Wasn't that one of the purposes for the moratorium on offshore drilling? Is to figure that out?

If that's the cause then what regulations should have been in place? I worry about a pre-mature calls for tons more regs if one of the problems is that the currents ones weren't complied with or enforced and that in the end we end up with another Sarbanes-Oxley,which had the unfortunate side effect of punishing a bunch of small business it was never meant to go after.

Half of the point for the moratorium is exactly that. The regulatory agencies were completely falling down on the job. The regulators were in bed with the industry - a problem that was not singular to BP. Since the regulators haven't been inspecting the facilities, it might be prudent to do at least a rudimentary job of catch-up to see if there are other problems like the Deepwater Horizon.

The other half is to determine what holes are in the current regulations. The current regulations have been designed by the oil companies who have actually given MMS recommendations which were directly incorporated. We do already know of a few holes in the regulations.

Maybe I don't hang out enough at the leftwing sites, but I haven't heard many calls for tons of additional regulations. I have heard calls against the expansion of oil drilling in some states - particularly Florida. Considering that we have approximately a 2/3 majority for Republicans in both houses, I don't think that it's a position restricted to liberals. Georgia and North Carolina are also against it - both states that aren't noted as hotbeds of liberalism.

We can keep playing this and it'd never end. I don't ask nor expect sympathy from anyone regarding Bush, but I also wasn't posting profanity ridden tirades demanding people layoff Bush from 2005-2008 either. I only started speaking up when people began complaining about behavior they were actively engaged in prior to Obama's election, now expecting people like myself to layoff and feel sorry for the man. I'm not going to do that.

Weren't Clinton's most successfully years with that same batch of Republicans? I don't necessarily mean that as a prop for Republicans, but for divided control in general. Politicians speak of bipartisanship, but most aren't genuine about it. I genuinely believe that bipartisanship will only happen when it is forced. Right now, neither side has much incentive to do it.

I wouldn't care, but I'm just tired of the complaining about how Bush had it so rough.

I used to feel that way about bipartisanship although I tended to see it as both parties keeping the other out of trouble. The Republicans spent most of their time obsessing about Whitewater and then Monica Lewinski so they didn't have much time to cause trouble. Clinton spent most of his time fighting off that so he couldn't do much. I changed my mind about it when the Democrats laid down for Dubya. And the current behavior of the Republicans has pretty much sealed that I won't be voting for a Republican for a long time. (Last time was in '02 - Jeb Bush.)

Speaking of profanity-riddled posts, I'm surprised that it wasn't just deleted. How many rules did it break? Two? Three?

Edited by Nick Soapdish, 22 June 2010 - 04:52 AM.

[Dreamer]

Of course there's bipartisanship Nate, there's bipartisanship to screw us for their personal gain.

Besides I always thought the cause was corporate ignorance, political corruption, and a large methane bubble that came up the pipe igniting the explosion which occured during a cocktail party for a spotless saftey record with no warning or functional riser system.

Yeah this being like their 5th account on a a major safety violation and not even a instruction manual on their Atlantis oil rig to know how to shut it down. The drill operator warned the executive to not remove the drilling mud that seals the oil but Hayward must've needed more money for a bigger yacht to race.