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[Dalton.T.R]

Hmm, I have to wonder what happens if Kishimoto runs into writer's block. I've heard the more characters and things you have going on in your story, the harder it is for writer's block to seep in. I've personally never tried it. I find it hard to keep a lot of characters I'll never have a purpose for around in my stories. 

 

It's not like Kishi doesn't run into writer's block. It happens to every single writer no matter how long they've been writing.

[KnS]

Remember how surprised we were at how 662 went down because the four week break for 661 was so long and it turned out to be nothing for NS?

 

I predict the same thing. There's going to be a NS moment, BUT in a way NONE of us are thinking about. Kishi has this ability where we'll speculate what we want to happen and them BAM he does a NS moment where we're like "Well...damn." 

 

662 COULDN'T have gone better for NS fans in all honesty. He practically nuked NH from orbit. 

 

It's the only way to be sure.  

 

It is entirely possible that we'll get something we don't expect, NS-wise.  Kishimoto has indeed done it before.  But... at some point he's going to have to quit with the smoke and mirrors.  He's running out of time and story to keep playing the shell game. 

 

Who knows.  Maybe we'll get a deathbed confession from Naruto first, but then Sakura won't have time to respond because Naruto will have to get back on his feet and return to the fight....?

 

Who knows.  Maybe Hinata will remain clueless about Naruto's feelings for Sakura until the end, and it will be Hinata that is the catalyst for Sakura claiming Naruto, not anything to do with Sasuke.

 

IDK.  I hope Kishimoto's plans are better than my imagination right now.  

[Inferno180]

In the whole line or things for the coming chapter and potential ns moment, these are the reasons why ns fans are excited.

1. It's a situation we long speculated on how sakura would react if kurama was ever extracted from naruto, I myself had thought perhaps naruto would have managed to be the only jinchurki to survive the whole series with no extraction then comes the gold and silver brothers vanishing even though obito used them for the ten tails and then came the fact that jinchurki die regardless save the ten tails so we thought his stamina could save him but it cannot, all it does is let him live a bit after these events.

2. It's a situation where hinata is not able to interact both physically and past story reasons, it's not bashing but seriously if hinata was somehow included in the direct event with gaara going to this place, it wouldn't be as significant as it is, the reason for sakura being here is 3 fold, she is his teammate, she learned about this stuff long ago from Chiyo so it's both enforcing what both her as a character and us as the readers know and finally it's just more development in that long line for sakura towards naruto, she came to care a lot for him so what happens now is the real question?

3. Though there are many expections to some thinking she will reveal her love to others thinking we get some troll moment, both being very very unlikely, (seriously just think if Kishi did do a troll moment here, unlike 615 which ended with hinata thinking about narutos hand having some sense if positivity, the 616 chapter just revealed it was nothing more than an overblown assumption of nh fans thinking nh went canon and ns fans thinking we lost, really the troll stuff was on ourselves, it was fan over assumptions on both ends of the scale). This one is just pure drama, nothing more, for Kishi to inturn troll us, it would be like sakura would then do what every SS fan is saying, abandon naruto, this one it's serious, how people even envision a troll moment is beyond me, the only thing to go by is that the if anything the chapter just won't focus in naruto at that point.

4. Even if the next chapter doesn't focus on naruto and sasukes condition or only one of them, even if sakura doesn't have much dialouge there are 4 things that really make this the biggest setup for ns so far.

- even if the chapter next week doesn't show any ns stuff, as long as naruto isn't healed, as long as he is still in danger,as long as we have yet to see more of him, the potential for it remains open. Next chapter if it's say focused on Madara again, or orochimaru going after spiral zetsu, this doesn't impact or troll ns as many nh or SS fans would claim at the time, the moment is around until the advent of narutos recovery or unless some interruption comes between where sakura is and where naruto is going but because Sasuke has taka and sakura wouldn't leave naruto in this condition, I highly doubt something is going to separate her from her on naruto right now.

- remember how sakura reacted to shikamaru being saved? She's about to cry out at the last chapter trying to hold back her tears so that brings me to the next point just imagine how she will react to narutos recovery when he stands again! she is with gaara and going to that special place to heal naruto lets call it. Just imagine in this scene she is about to go into crying over the fact naruto will really die, for him to be saved, imagine the results of her reaction when he is standing again

- we all want to see how sakura reacts and believe me, some ns fans are getting tormented more than when 469 and 615 came because this is such a huge potential moment, we just want to see one thing, Sakura's reaction, her reaction to naruto in such a state beyond the initial shock and crying about to come up. We want to see this and yes as mentioned before her reaction to when he is better. In the sense of this one though we want to see what goes in her mind, what she says, what memories will run through? The Chiyo stuff is likely if gaara mentions kurama was extracted but we also want to see just how much this impacts sakura, I mean it's not going to be outright love as some ns fans hope, this is just another step to ns if it goes as many see and it's not in anyway an anti moment as some say like how she is only concerned as a general friend or comerade (otherwise wouldn't she have cried several times over for the people who died by the tree? She was shocked and disappointed but all those she couldn't heal that katsuyu told her about, those were general comrades, naruto isn't just a comrade, he is one if the most important people to her). Basically I'm thinking like at best. The best case scenario for us to expect is some combination if flashbacks like Chiyos words of a jinchurki extraction, the stuff from yamatos in the bridge, 457, basically the heavy hitter moments at best repeated. Worst case scenario, no event happens despite sakura being there, Kishi instead chooses to focus on naruto and Sasuke. Otherwise it would be strange to have no reaction beyond just tears from sakura about to come out seeing naruto in this condition. Most likely scenario, sakura explains how naruto is important and how much everyone needs him, she tells him about hokage, Sasuke, all his goals, how his father, jiraya, tsunade, etc all believe in him. Basically some combined aspect of that.

- finally another big one, wherever gaara takes naruto, sakura follows, she will witness whatever happens in the events of the recovery and save for naruto, her role in this beyond the medical stuff is yes, her reaction and development in this coming moment, wherever gaara goes, sakura goes too, if they go to minato then this means more sakura minato interaction. Sakura's role in this is really bigger than people think for just having her tag along giving her a heroine role or as some fans put it, messing with the pairings, sakura wouldn't be chosen to go by Kishi just to stir the fandoms and make hinata trip to give nh some pain, no like sakura, hinata has some role, but for all accounts, it's just not as big as what sakura may have coming, otherwise as said before, just having sakura go along as life support to try and address an issue she couldn't by default even if she had more chakra remaining or even if tsunade went along, it wouldn't make a difference by then, really in logical terms, gaaras destination is far away, he needed a medical ninja to slow narutos rate of death lets say, sakura was chosen for the ride because one part, it makes sense easily like the team 7 and Chiyo jinchurki speech stuff, another,tsunade has been through a lot more recently I mean using all her power against Madara, getting cut in half, needing to heal all the other kage and summon katsuyu, healing more of the allaince with sakura summoning 1/10th of katsuyu a entire being, this all occurred in only a few hours, I think tsunade has had quite a day if you ask me, really she needed to sit this one out, sakura likewise has better chakra control, so by all accounts all these reasons are perfectly acceptable for why sakura is there riding shotgun and hinata and tsunade are not.

Sakura role in this beyond a situation she couldn't address even at her best power, just saying it's reduced to that makes it really go by, well why bother with her in the first place? If there wasn't anything else beyond that then why stick them to nothing more than just life support? If sakura really just rides along with no real speech or reaction to this then you would have been able to have tsunade or even shizune ride along with gaara with no real difference. Sakura was chosen for a reason and it's beyond just healing naruto, it's how she reacts or handles the situation on the way there, at the destination, and when naruto recovers and believe me, all I want to see is a moment that makes me cry, I want to cry again like 457 made me years ago, I want to see sakura in tears over naruto next or 2 or so chapters later. I want her to react to this serious state and ultimately I want to see her reaction when naruto is going to make it, I want to see how she reacts to naruto being returned to stable conditions. Hell when naruto recovers, it would be a perfect moment if he sees sakura crying in happiness and this time, it's the full deal unlike the bridge event, yes this is a lot to write on just the potential if a moment but be honest, that's how big things may be now. High potential equals high chance for something big, I hope it comes.

Edited by Inferno180, 31 January 2014 - 04:25 PM.

[TacticalFox88]

If Naruto does die, I want him to meet Jiraiya for one last time just to show how far he's come. 

[KnS]

If Naruto does die, I want him to meet Jiraiya for one last time just to show how far he's come. 

 

Yep, I agree.  That was my semi-predictive answer back on the #660 thread, when Tauriel asked about a Harry Potter-style King's Cross and/or Flaw in the Plan scenario.

 

It does seem a little fishy that Jiraiya has been left out of all the resurrection action, so it would be appropriate if he were to be returned for a final scene with Naruto.

 

Like I said before, Jiraiya is the last source of love and mentoring who has not been able to say his final words to Naruto, and he more than any other character has special insight on how one should not to leave the world until you've saved your friend and won the girl.  

[Akashi]

Yep, I agree.  That was my semi-predictive answer back on the #660 thread, when Tauriel asked about a Harry Potter-style King's Cross and/or Flaw in the Plan scenario.

 

It does seem a little fishy that Jiraiya has been left out of all the resurrection action, so it would be appropriate if he were to be returned for a final scene with Naruto.

 

Like I said before, Jiraiya is the last source of love and mentoring who has not been able to say his final words to Naruto, and he more than any other character has special insight on how one should not to leave the world until you've saved your friend and won the girl.  

Some people assume that since Hinata asked her nii-san to watch over/help Naruto, we might get a Neji-Naruto interaction.. I really hope that's not the case. And yes, I agree that Jiraya is the one Naruto should meet if he temporarily dies.

Edited by Tauriel, 31 January 2014 - 07:16 PM.

[sushi.]

Some people assume that since Hinata asked her nii-san to watch over/help Naruto, we might get a Neji-Naruto interaction.. I really hope that's not the case. And yes, I agree that Jiraya is the one Naruto should meet if he temporarily dies.

I disagree. Neji has very little signifigance, especially compared to Jiraiya. Neji has nothing left to say to Naruto(unlike Jiraiya), as he said everything he wanted in his goodbye speech. I doubt it'll happen, and I'm sure Neji can guard over Naruto without saying hi.

 

Would you ever worry about it if you'd never heard of this prediction?

Edited by sushi., 31 January 2014 - 07:32 PM.

[Akashi]

I disagree. Neji has very little signifigance, especially compared to Jiraiya. Neji has nothing left to say to Naruto(unlike Jiraiya), as he said everything he wanted in his goodbye speech. I doubt it'll happen, and I'm sure Neji can guard over Naruto without saying hi.

 

Would you ever worry about it if you'd never heard of this prediction?

There's still a possibility... Hinata's "prayer" to Neji could be a foreshadowing of Naruto's death. I guess we could all agree that this temporary death will actually take place. I still don't know why Kishi wasted few good pages on Hinata, but he certainly did it for a reason. And since Neji was mentioned, I guess there's a chance we might see him (at least to tell Naruto not to blame himself for his death). But yeah, I don't think it's that necessary.

Edited by Tauriel, 31 January 2014 - 07:46 PM.

[KnS]

There's still a possibility... Hinata's "prayer" to Neji could be a foreshadowing of Naruto's death. I guess we could all agree that this temporary death will actually take place. I still don't know why Kishi wasted few good pages on Hinata, but he certainly did it for a reason. And since Neji was mentioned, I guess there's a chance we might see him (at least to tell Naruto not to blame himself for his death). But yeah, I don't think it's that necessary.

 

Or maybe it was simply to show that, once again, Hinata is a fatalist with no real faith in Naruto or in the power that those who believe in him have to fight on his behalf.  The scene showed that, as usual, she gave up.  

 

It proves more than anything that she is not Naruto's equal or capable of being at his side in any way.  Just as it was in the fight against Pain, she assumed the situation is hopeless and that Naruto is going to die.

 

Despite everything that's happened, and all the pep talks she has received, and opportunities she's been given to grow up, get stronger, and change, in the end she's the same weak, "glass half-empty" girl who wibbles, stutters, and cries in the face of adversity.

 

Sakura, on the other hand, will go down swinging.  Like the one who loves her, she will not give up even when it seems impossible. 

Edited by KnS, 31 January 2014 - 08:07 PM.

[Akashi]

Or maybe it was simply to show that, once again, Hinata is a fatalist with no real faith in Naruto or in the power that those who believe in him have to fight on his behalf.  The scene showed that as usual she gave up.  

 

It proves more than anything that she is not Naruto's equal or capable of being at his side in any way.  Just as it was in the fight against Pain, she assumed the situation was hopeless and that Naruto is going to die.

 

Despite everything that's happened, and all the pep talks she has received and opportunities she's been given to grow up, get stronger, and change, in the end she's the same weak, "glass half-empty girl who wibbles, stutters, and cries in the face of adversity.

 

Sakura, on the other hand, will go down swinging.  Like the one who loves her, she will not give up even when it seems impossible. 

Yeah, I got the impression that 662 was Kishi's way of slapping NH (especially that panel where she falls)..

[sushi.]

Yeah, I got the impression that 662 was Kishi's way of slapping NH (especially that panel where she falls)..

To me it was especially the panel she left Naruto's safety to Neji and closed her eyes. The black panel could indicate this, but it's just my speculation. She could've also looked up in the sky, but there were no stars or clouds.

 

Point is that everyone falls once in a while, but she didn't get up and the prayer confirmed that she won't either. I just can't interpret it in any other way than "Nii-san, I can't protect Naruto this time, you have to instead". What else could it mean?

Edited by sushi., 31 January 2014 - 08:23 PM.

[Akashi]

To me it was especially the panel she left Naruto's safety to Neji and closed her eyes. The black panel could indicate this, but it's just my speculation. She could've also looked up in the sky, but there were no stars or clouds.

 

Point is that everyone falls once in a while, but she didn't get up and the prayer confirmed that she won't either. I just can't interpret it in any other way than "Nii-san, I can't protect Naruto this time, you have to instead". What else could it mean?

I feel sorry for her at some point. Kishi could've made her a great female character, but she's been just reduced to pairing fodder. I'd say that Naruto's her greatest weakness.. it's like the world is spinning around him. You know, it reminds me of an unhealthy obsession with a pop idol or something.. you do everything to be like them (for instance, when she stole his nindo), stalk them, keep hoping to be by their side even though it's almost impossible, etc... I can't wait when she will finally let go..

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I feel sorry for her at some point. Kishi could've made her a great female character, but she's been just reduced to pairing fodder. I'd say that Naruto's her greatest weakness.. it's like the world is spinning around him. You know, it reminds me of an unhealthy obsession with a pop idol or something.. you do everything to be like them (for instance, when she stole his nindo), stalk them, keep hoping to be by their side even though it's almost impossible, etc... I can't wait when she will finally let go..

 

I pretty much agree. I think Hinata really had a lot of potential in part one, and she could have been something so much better than she is. She gets these 'moments' of screen time where you'd think she's finally making a change in herself for the better, like 615, only for it to seemingly go nowhere, Hinata just hasn't changed or evolved as a character, certainly not like Sakura has. At some point I start to wonder, what's the point at all of these panels Kishi keeps giving her if they continuously don't appear to lead anywhere? Is it just fan service? I'm just not always sure what to think of Kishimoto's handling of Hinata, or what he plans to do with her, if anything at all. I really hope she doesn't keep pining after Naruto until the very end.

[rocci]

well, hinata will love naruto unless kishi decide to change it.

for me, hinata is a secondary character who love the main character but her love always one side.

she is like shinobu(love hina), tomoe(shaman king) or the loli witch and her aparantice from berserk.

and I can see that she love naruto until the end and personally, i don't have any problem with it.

Edited by rocci, 31 January 2014 - 09:45 PM.

[Inferno180]

This is what I've said many times before, back in 2002 or so when the series was in the Chunin exams phase, when the Hugya story was introduced it could have gone forward but it didn't. Many nh fans may have taken the naruto will change the Hugya clan as a primary basis for nh but naruto sort of already did that by way of changing neji, I mean he was chosen to lead in the war. The whole Hugya storyline had a lot of potential, even making a relation between the uchiha and Hugya if Kishi wanted too. But the Hugya just were not important in the long run, I mean they are never mentioned for an important role in all of part 2, they are not included in the whole sage, ten tails, senju, uzumaki, uchiha story. Some fans thought eventually a byakugan was needed for the eye of the moon plan, right now Madara has it all and not one hygua was ever needed. Even then neji gave more representation for the clan in the series overall. He had more importance than hinata but he died.

Really i would not have minded if hinata was expanded on more but the situation ahead just doesn't suit hinata, thers not much she can do or much importance for her time over what sakura is there for. Neji may appear in a way with naruto going into limbo if it's possible but other than that her role may not hold much in this, I get the feeling if naruto goes into limbo and sees jiraya, neji, maybe even Kushina, it would be something about how everyone is watching him. For Neji's part, I would expect him to say thanks to naruto for letting him realize he can live and die as he freely chose to sacrifice himself. I could also see him giving thanks for saving hinata and etc but nothing to just insert nh love. Really if neji showed up just to say hinata loves you, that would be completely out of place in the current situation, ya forget all the drama just tell him about hinata and not his efforts with everyone in the series.

Really hinata was just left behind in terms if development and literally this time. I'm not going to make an issue over hinatas recent action but it's not ideal for nh to be isolated right now.

[Dalton.T.R]

 

I pretty much agree. I think Hinata really had a lot of potential in part one, and she could have been something so much better than she is. She gets these 'moments' of screen time where you'd think she's finally making a change in herself for the better, like 615, only for it to seemingly go nowhere, Hinata just hasn't changed or evolved as a character, certainly not like Sakura has. At some point I start to wonder, what's the point at all of these panels Kishi keeps giving her if they continuously don't appear to lead anywhere? Is it just fan service? I'm just not always sure what to think of Kishimoto's handling of Hinata, or what he plans to do with her, if anything at all. I really hope she doesn't keep pining after Naruto until the very end.

I can just picture Hinata and her squad in a battle.

 

Kiba- Hinata! I need you to flank them from the left.

 

Hinata- I hope Naruto-kin is okay.

 

Kiba-   WILL YOU STOP WORRYING ABOUT THE GUY THAT'S HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD AND CONCENTRATE  ON THE SITUATION FOR ONCE?!

 

Hinata: Narutp-kun would never yell at me like that.

 

Kiba- ...   

Edited by Dalton (I stink at names), 01 February 2014 - 12:02 AM.

[Hiraishin]

 

I pretty much agree. I think Hinata really had a lot of potential in part one, and she could have been something so much better than she is. She gets these 'moments' of screen time where you'd think she's finally making a change in herself for the better, like 615, only for it to seemingly go nowhere, Hinata just hasn't changed or evolved as a character, certainly not like Sakura has. At some point I start to wonder, what's the point at all of these panels Kishi keeps giving her if they continuously don't appear to lead anywhere? Is it just fan service? I'm just not always sure what to think of Kishimoto's handling of Hinata, or what he plans to do with her, if anything at all. I really hope she doesn't keep pining after Naruto until the very end.

Yeah, she definitely had potential in part one but wow, she didn't live up to that at all. I agree, I don't see the point in the screentime Kishi gives her. Even when it seems she's changed for the better, we see that she really hasn't. So I can't help but think it is fanservice, and/or possibly putting her in as a foil to Sakura... Or maybe Kishi is going to make her have an epiphany at the end and then she'll truly change, but at this point, if Hinata decides to stop pining after Naruto, it would just feel out of character to me tbh.

[Superman333]

Who knows Hinata and Naruto might end up having that sibling like relationship with Naruto like a bigger brother .

[Dalton.T.R]

Who knows Hinata and Naruto might end up having that sibling like relationship with Naruto like a bigger brother .

I would die of laughter if that actually happened lol. Excuse me, NaruHina fans, you said something about Naruto and Sakura having a sibling relationship? 

[KnS]

About Hinata not living up to her potential....

 

The thing is, Hinata has lived up to the exact amount of potential Kishimoto has wanted to write for her.  If he had meant for her to transform into a smart, strong, fearless, badass ninja with a view of the world around her that amounts to more than one boy, then she would have become one. But that's not who she is, and it appears that isn't going to change.

 

The fact that Hinata's potential has been limited is no different in concept than the limitations placed on other characters.  For instance, Sasuke could have been a really warm and friendly guy if Kishimoto hadn't limited him to being a self-centered jackass.  Shino could have been a real womanizer if only he didn't have bugs under his skin and wasn't quiet.  Sakura and Naruto would have got together ages ago if only Kishimoto hadn't saddled her with emotional confusion.

 

Just as it is in real life, not everyone changes for the better or achieves everything they might be capable of achieving.  Kishimoto has populated his world with a variety of characterizations, and they can't all be awe-inspiring.

 

Hinata is, in a way, a mirror opposite of Sakura.  Where Sakura speaks her mind, is insanely strong, and confident, Hinata is quiet, weak, and insecure.  Where Sakura believes in Naruto's abilities and trusts him 100%, Hinata's doubts and fears extend to Naruto's abilities as well.  Where Sakura knows and understands Naruto, Hinata doesn't know or understand anything about him.  Where Sakura is confused and unsure if she loves Naruto, Hinata easily confesses her love for him and thinks of nothing else.

 

It makes me wonder if... when Sakura realizes her love for Naruto and moves toward him, Hinata might realize her life is about something more and she will then back away from Naruto.

Edited by KnS, 01 February 2014 - 04:10 AM.