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#13821 PhenixElite

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 12:57 PM

Kishimoto wrote this movie and said it himself that is it is part of the mangaverse. Does it matter if it's not written in ink in paper?

Yeah it doese! You dont write a story, tell people facts and show development to just forget it in the end and you have to make a movie to show its otherwise.
This the same like a story with a boy lovin a girl and they have development. In the end they just dont end up toghether. Then a movie comes out where he suddenly is together with a girl that didnt even appear in the normal story. Something like that cant be considered canon.


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 12:59 PM

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:03 PM

@phenix elite
Kishi seem more interest in movie work rather than manga work.

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:08 PM

I'm not surprised at all. This not the first time that Kishi contradicts himself... In the FG, Naruto was the loser who must work hard in order to achieve his dreams. He said that he will change his destiny. Well in the NG, we discovered that he's the child of prophecy and that he's the reincarnation of Ashura... So after all, Neji was right, the ones who become Hokage are already decided before their birth...


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:09 PM

I'm not surprised at all. This not the first time that Kishi contradicts himself... In the FG, Naruto was the loser who must work hard in order to achieve his dreams. He said that he will change his destiny. Well in the NG, we discovered that he's the child of prophecy and that he's the reincarnation of Ashura... So after all, Neji was right, the ones who become Hokage are already decided before their birth...

But didn't Ashura ended up killing his brother? And Naruto did his best by himself to achive anything.



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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:12 PM

Yeah it doese! You dont write a story, tell people facts and show development to just forget it in the end and you have to make a movie to show its otherwise.
This the same like a story with a boy lovin a girl and they have development. In the end they just dont end up toghether. Then a movie comes out where he suddenly is together with a girl that didnt even appear in the normal story. Something like that cant be considered canon.


I agree it is odd to have the main story take place in the manga/ anime and then conclude it in a movie (although the first FMA anime did the same thing). I read you comment wrong (where are the commas dammit!) and I thought you meant the movie isn't related to the manga.
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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:14 PM

In the end, Naruto's like for Sakura wasn't real love since the very beginning. He just wanted to win over Sasuke. Moreover it's not Sasuk's turn (meaning he doesn't appear that much). That's roughly all the preview was. Naruhina's wedding ceremony was touching (I didn't leave) and after that the last thing seemed to be a kiss between Naruto and Hinata. 

Some small part of me wishes that I could rip my eyes out, pickle them, then throw them in a Martini and drink excessively after having read this.  :zaru: 

 


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:16 PM

I KNEW IT! I knew it would end up like this! I even went kitten crazy in another thread (or maybe it was this one?) days and days ago, because I bloody knew it!!! Kishimoto can shove the 'faint love' up his arse!!!!

Typical....Good God Kishi, he can't even make Naruto fall out of love in a sensate way, he had to retcon practically the entirety of his manga.....PTF.....such a pitiful man. To hell with him and all he has written!

 

 

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:18 PM

I KNEW IT! I knew it would end up like this! I even went batsh*t crazy in another thread (or maybe it was this one?) days and days ago, because I bloody knew it!!! Kishimoto can shove the 'faint love' up his arse!!!!

Typical....Good God Kishi, he can't even make Naruto fall out of love in a sensate way, he had to retcon practically the entirety of his manga.....PTF.....such a pitiful man. To hell with him and all he has written!

 

 

But let's stay in this forum....Let's talk of other things, but let's stay, don't give in to the haters and to this despicable man, let's create a wonderful community that can speak of many other topics and that can make its own users a family, even without Naruto.

Yup, let's sing some kumbaya and move on from this sh*tty movie


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:24 PM

Part of me wanted to see some anime romance even  it is not from NS, but I cannot  how can I? they re not even going to put a proper resolution between Sakura and Naruto.


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#13831 Lady Lys

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:24 PM

Yup, let's sing some kumbaya and move on from this sh*tty movie

Hell to the YEAH! 

On with the Kumbaya! All together!!  :grouphug:

 

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#13832 六道仙人

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:26 PM

calm down... have faith in kishimoto's writing.


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:27 PM

calm down... have faith in kishimoto's writing.

 

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:29 PM

In the end, Naruto's like for Sakura wasn't real love since the very beginning. He just wanted to win over Sasuke. Moreover it's not Sasuk's turn (meaning he doesn't appear that much). That's roughly all the preview was. Naruhina's wedding ceremony was touching (I didn't leave) and after that the last thing seemed to be a kiss between Naruto and Hinata.


This. I need to puke. Does this mean that Naruto declaring the he "loves" Sakura was because of rivalry? Naruto never actually meant it? But rather sees Sakura as a prize to be competed against Sasuke. This getting worse than I thought.

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:29 PM

LOL 六道仙人 ... sarcasm Level over 9000 ....


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:30 PM

calm down... have faith in kishimoto's writing.

I'm sad. I repeated this phrase quite a bit between 690 and 700.


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:32 PM

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LOL it's even worse than a crush. 

Three things:

 

More convinced than before that he doesn't read his own writing. It outright contradicts what is shown in the story. It's also incredibly cowardly. If he's going to pull horsehit, at least confront it head on. I'd rather have Sakura openly reject him in favor of Sasuke because then at least it's confronting the issue and not sidstepping a six-year love with terrible excuse making. Of course, they only have 110 ten minutes to do what they should have been doing since Pain if this was the intended path. 

 

Shouldn't be surprised I suppose, this kind of weak sidestepping has been his MO for years. 

 

Stuff like this is why I have no qualms with Death of the Author. 

 

It's truly earning it's name: Retcon: The Movie. Like Team Not Seven, I will never call it's by it's name. It's real name does not do it justice. Retcon: The Movie, however, describes what it is.

 

Third, isn't this line all but an open admission that the manga doesn't do a thing to demonstrate that (a) Naruto ever loved anyone else during the manga (2) that Kishimoto ever portrayed him loving Hinata in the manga. What an awful way to resolve this. Who is at the helm of this ship? Captain Edward Smith? Can they not see that iceberg ahead?



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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:34 PM

The manga doesn't exist anymore.
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#13839 Lady Lys

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:34 PM

calm down... have faith in kishimoto's writing.

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Edited by Lady Lys, 24 November 2014 - 01:39 PM.

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#13840 Rina SakuraBlossomable

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:36 PM

Is this really happening? Naruhina wedding? I just read from tumblr that a girl lives in japan that the owner of the manga store showed a surprise beautiful poster of naruto and sakura to her that is set to release on the stores exactly at 6th December. I don't know what to believe now. All I know narusaku is already dead. Reading spoilers about naruhina is like killing me softly..




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