Let's hope you're right on this matter but I think you're wrong and SK has a real shot, either way I despise SK so I would be more than happy if it doesn't happen but that's not the point of the discussion you said SK was worse and that's the point I disagree with whether one or the other happens it would be just as bad.
If I'm wrong, I am but I doubt it. Oh you despise SK. *hi5*
But SK really is worse. It has worse construction, it has worse depth. It's really just the story of a girl who doesn't mind being used as a tool as long as there's the diminute chance of licking a boy's balls.
He didn't treat Sakura that well, please remind me of Sasuke's kindness and I will show you all the time he was spiteful towards which are : I can remember the compliment about the genjutsu and the forrest hug that's all, most of the time he eithert insulted or ignored her.
Sasuke had his well and not so well days. He waited for her to wake up in the bell test, complimented her genjutsu prowess, he broke another guy's arms for her sake, he was prepared to die for her sake as well, he thanked her for everything she did for him.
[And his treatment of Karin is way worse. His face at her physical closeness says it all, then there's that time where he asks about the jins and she begins to explain, but Sasuke cuts her off and asks Obito to explain, there's that time at the summit where she gives him some plan and he tells her to STFU, or when she gives him advice when he's fighting danzo and he either ignores her or cuts her off again... called her a burden too.
There's no proof that he knew that she was trying to kill him the first time and even if that's the case he could easily stop her without killing her but since he couldn't care less he simply went for the kill. That's what you call better than SK.
He tried to kill Karin because she was on his way to Danzo and after that because she had intel about him. You're trying to paint one as better as the other when it's not.
Kakashi told Sakura 'you were trying to kill Sasuke' and he's not surprised. He knew, Sakura doesn't have the best poker face at all. Even if Sasuke could care less for Sakura, it's better than ignoring Karin's request for help (because she did ask him for help) when she was caught by Danzo, then laughed while he stabbed her and topped it all by calling her a burden.
That is no excuse. Sasuke fought Kakashi after that. Kishimoto did it to establish Karin was as disposable as Suigetsu and Jugo at the summit. She even asks herself if all she was to him was a tool and he answers that out loud (more like Kishi) with a confirmation when he says she's of no use to him if she can be caught.
Kishi also said her feelings were selfish and whether you agree with it Karin's feelings for him are sincere.
Yeah but her feelings being selfish doesn't mean they are insincere. I don't see how that somehow invalidates what i said. While Karin is sincere in wanting to lick him all over, what is this supposed to make me say about her feelings? They're not meaningful.
Yes he did. When he called her out as you say he didn't do it to teach her a lesson he did because she was really annoying the hell out of him and because he had little to no respect to her. He could have said it more nicely, I don't know like Naruto told to Sakura to not meddle into their business.
It's exaggeration in my opinion. Also, when I said that Sasuke called her out I didn't mean he was investing on her future, I just said he called her out on it rightfully because she was being a brat. About saying it more nicely and just to put things into perspective, Sasuke has called Naruto a moron, an idiot, a retard, a loser, and yes all of these have been done not in a playful manner.
Not ling Naruto telling Sakura not to meddle into their business eh... I'm personally on the fence.
Wooaa Sasuke part 1 accepted as an individual, what a great achievement
It's better than Karin ever got, and let's not forget this is my point here.
but we are in part 2 and he doesn't consider her anything since the end of part 1, even if he considers Karin a tool that's already more than what he considers Sakura at this point which says a lot about how much better SS is than SK.
That's unfair. Sasuke thought of Sakura a few times and he hasn't once thought of Karin without someone reminding him of her.
I even doubt that Sasuke considers Karin that much. It was Orochimaru who convinced her to go with them, Sasuke apologised but he didn't give a kitten whether she went or not.
How could she fawn over him when she has not seen him or interacted with him and the few times she did he tried to kill her ? She still defended him against Sai when he told her he was a criminal after the dude tried to kill her best friend and went to Oro the man who killed the third hokage. Only after the Kage summit arc did she start really questionning him ?
Sakura's feelings may be sincere but they are just as pathetic as Karin's feelings (and I would add Naruto into the mix), the few moments when he was decent doesn't justify such devotion it's completely stupid and unrealistic.
I don't know, maybe because this someone wants to destroy your village kill your family and all your friends.
I understand your frustration over this, but let's not go there. Kishimoto thinks Sakura and Naruto's wish to save Sasuke is heroic. He made Naruto, the hero, get beaten up for his sake even after he attempted to murder him. While I agree with you that it's unrealistic, I can't say Sakura or Naruto is pathetic. By the story's standards, this is the heroic behaviour.
Sakura thought Sasuke was bad before Kage Summit, that's why she went there in the first place, to kill him so he wouldn't sink further. I don't get why you think she only thought of this later?
Either you didn't understand what I said or I didn't make myself clear : how can an act of decency erases all Sasuke's wrongdoings towards her.
Ah, that I agree! However, here we go again, what he did to Karin was way worse and just an apology played for laughs won't do either.
And he was ready to save Karin even tough he could have left her there, he also saved her during the forrest of death. And still using part 1 as your reference, when the little things Sasuke has done for Karin in part 2 is much more than what he did for Sakura in part 2, again it just shows how SS is pathetic.
What? Sasuke has saved Sakura in 632 and that is part 2.
Well like his bond with team 7, the only exception being Naruto.
I really don't care about Team 7 as long as we agree that SasuKarin is just that bad. I'd prefer if we agreed that it was even worse.
The only reason he wants to kill Naruto is because he's the only one he couldn't cut his bond with. He tought about Naruto after getting Itachi's eyes and fighting the zetsus. Naruto is a visual medium and it has been clearly shown many times the only one who can get an emotional response from Sasuke is Naruto, for Sakura it's total indifference and apathy, I don't remember the Kakashi part care to remind me. Show me just one panel where Sasuke's feelings with Sakura is highlighted in part 2, just one. Part 1 is over and done and things have changed in case you missed it.
Actually, Sasuke only gave a kitten about Naruto because he kept throwing himself on his way and made outrageous claims about being his friend.
Yes, the Zetsu fight flashback, but eventually there's the whole team 7 there and Sasuke thinking of purifying the uchiha means cutting the bond with you (as in the three of them).
http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/574/14There is no excuse that this is just a recycled panel, because this was redrawn. I remember having this conversation with a sasnar fan, she was very salty about it. I wonder what she's feeling right now... probably opened her own salt refinery and making a huge profit out of it.
Can we please drop the snippy? I don't think you'll like if I start doing the same.
What does it change ? didn't I make myself clear that I despise SK.
My point is that SK is worse than SS. You can despise two things but despise one more. That is my case with SK.
I would say they are equal, he doesn't care about either Sakura or Karin or are you going to talk to me about part 1.
What I said was in response to what you said. I'll remind you, you said Sasuke has never thought of Sakura and that's not true. However, Sasuke has never thought of Karin at all besides when Kabuto reminded and that doesn't coutn.
Might be possible, I have the french translated version and it says "kill" so I would need a confirmation on that, but he still could stop her without harming her but he didn't because he doesn't care about her.
Is that so, that's sad. I have the english version, it says no such thing. You can check on mangahelpers (I just did), every single one of them says 'dangerous' (though there's one which says serious).
That SS is in no way shape or form better than SK.
I disagree his bond with Sakura is the worst.
I stand by what I said I don't how SS can be deemed better than SK.
Neither is SK in any way shape or form better than SS.
Well I disagree, his bond with Team not 7 is the wort!
And I stand by mine. :)
Yes this pettiness is neccesary because you can't say SS is better as a matter of facts when it's nothing more than personal preferences, if you think SS is better fair enough but if you think it's a fact that's where you and I disagree.
Be rude if you like then.
It was still a terrible bond and nothing that great I think we can agree on that. Most of the time he was apathetic to her.
I never said it was a great bond! All I've ever said was that SK was worse than SS!
Whether It's sincere or not it's completely stupid and forced I don't see what explains Sakura's feelings for Sasuke at this point and the ONLY reason we have been given is because he was cool and hot. Her feelings for him and her bond with him are terrible writing and they aren't better than Karin's feelings for Sasuke that's the only I'm arguing against.
So are Naruto's and even worse, Karin's.
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