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#13781 Codus N

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 27 2013, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't understand my own NaruSaku fanbase sometimes. Many of us seem so self-assured that NaruSaku will be the canon end pairing, myself included. And then I see some so-called "confident" NS fans jump ship or freak out over the slightest things of NH. Like this cover for instance. I thought most of us were past that. mellow.gif I understand it a little, seeing it in a cover would sting a bit. But seriously? It's nothing new to us. So Naruto and Hinata are holding hands? We dealt with it and then we saw the aftermath in 616. The troll most of us laughed out, remember? It's hard to stay level-headed sometimes with her shipping bias. Positvely or negative, it often causes us to overreact. I'm no exception to this, I've over-reacted a lot.


And then 617 came around....

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 27 2013, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And then 617 came around....

Thats showed 1 panel of hinatas hand pushing in narutos shoulder. OMG CANON laugh.gif

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:47 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 27 2013, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About naruto or another story?


maybe he want to make romantic comedy genre tongue.gif

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:59 PM

something crossed up my mind lately.
Doesnt hinata speech similar to the one Sakura give to Sasuke about caling him a coward on part 1?
And i never see Sakura giving a speech to Naruto.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:09 PM

I just give up on some people. As soon as you discuss any other point of view or express any disappointment whatsoever in some aspects of the manga, some people begin to generalize everyone that has a problem as a 'ship jumper' or act like they're screaming 'canon' of another ship. Since some discussion isn't welcome, I just think I'll start lurking and posting in chapter threads. This place is not fun for debating anything since everyone will just assume you're doubting yourself.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 27 2013, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats showed 1 panel of hinatas hand pushing in narutos shoulder. OMG CANON laugh.gif


And... whaddya know?? turns out that chapter got #1 in the weekly rankings this week.

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 27 2013, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just give up on some people. As soon as you discuss any other point of view or express any disappointment whatsoever in some aspects of the manga, some people begin to generalize everyone that has a problem as a 'ship jumper' or act like they're screaming 'canon' of another ship. Since some discussion isn't welcome, I just think I'll start lurking and posting in chapter threads. This place is not fun for debating anything since everyone will just assume you're doubting yourself.


It's a sad day when you realize the forum has been conquered by a bunch of immature brats....

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 27 2013, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
something crossed up my mind lately.
Doesnt hinata speech similar to the one Sakura give to Sasuke about caling him a coward on part 1?
And i never see Sakura giving a speech to Naruto.


i think that's a shout? hmm maybe it more similiar with sakura hug sasuke when he goes berserk.

sakura giving encouragement to naruto.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 27 2013, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And... whaddya know?? turns out that chapter got #1 in the weekly rankings this week.



It's a sad day when you realize the forum has been conquered by a bunch of immature brats....

Because the chapter was awesome. You think its placed on #1 because of a panel of hinatas hand?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (rocci @ Mar 27 2013, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think that's a shout? hmm maybe it more similiar with sakura hug sasuke when he goes berserk.

sakura giving encouragement to naruto.


No doubt she might try hugging sasuke again dry.gif

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 27 2013, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because the chapter was awesome. You think its placed on #1 because of a panel of hinatas hand?


Maybe, maybe not. But it is something to take note of.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 27 2013, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No doubt she might try hugging sasuke again dry.gif


for me sasuke never meant to become romantic person just like madara(did he even married?) so the kakashi reject rin scenario that will happen (at least in my theory)

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:32 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 27 2013, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe, maybe not. But it is something to take note of.

615 had a bad ranking so i dont think that it was something to take note of.

QUOTE (rocci @ Mar 27 2013, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
for me sasuke never meant to become romantic person just like madara(did he even married?) so the kakashi reject rin scenario that will happen (at least in my theory)

Again?
He chose revenge than her.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:33 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 27 2013, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe, maybe not. But it is something to take note of.

Guess not. 615 got very bad placement and had much more of hinata focus.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 27 2013, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe, maybe not. But it is something to take note of.


And Chapters 613-614-615 went out of top3... But chapter 617 is also a good chapter because to Lee, to the fact that Obito and Madara are delinked from the Juubi, the fact about Neji bird symbolism and, most of all, Sasuke returns in the last page... Did you forgotten that Sasuke is pretty popular in Japan? You can be sure if this chapter got the first place isn't due to that move from Hinata first of all...

615 is out of top3 and rather the chapter 617 is first because Hinata healed his shoulder? No way huh.gif

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 27 2013, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And Chapters 613-614-615 went out of top3... But chapter 617 is also a good chapter because to Lee, to the fact that Obito and Madara are delinked from the Juubi, the fact about Neji bird symbolism and, most of all, Sasuke returns in the last page... Did you forgotten that Sasuke is pretty popular in Japan? You can be sure if this chapter got the first place isn't due to that move from Hinata first of all...

615 is out of top3 and rather the chapter 617 is first because Hinata healed his shoulder? No way huh.gif


I'm simply tossing out possibilities here, folks...

But if this is true, then why the hell did he write 615 like that?? there were other ways to get Hinata what she wanted. If Kishi would've known NH is not that popular, then why crank out the fanservice for them?? there's no good in it for Kishi. If he simply wanted Hinata to have a shining moment, then there could've been other ways to do so.

So it's either Kishi wants to make NH canon for unknown reasons, by developing them from now on, or there's some other reason for it. Honestly, whatever excuse he has up his ass I'm not gonna buy it considering he ruined the overall consistency of his characters.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:21 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 27 2013, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm simply tossing out possibilities here, folks...

But if this is true, then why the hell did he write 615 like that?? there were other ways to get Hinata what she wanted. If Kishi would've known NH is not that popular, then why crank out the fanservice for them?? there's no good in it for Kishi. If he simply wanted Hinata to have a shining moment, then there could've been other ways to do so.

So it's either Kishi wants to make NH canon for unknown reasons, by developing them from now on, or there's some other reason for it. Honestly, whatever excuse he has up his ass I'm not gonna buy it considering he ruined the overall consistency of his characters.

Dont you feel that the chapter come right when Sjalpha US going to be released simultneous.
I got this feelings strange that we got a chapter like 615 right when SJalpha on a campaign for subscriptions.
if he wanted to develop NH first he would make us have doubts about Naruto's feelings, the way he did with Sakura, Hinata is not an obstacle for NS and he could do it with Neji's death but he didnt.

*Neji dies*
"Naruto take care of Hinata".
"Naruto promise me you will protect Hinata-sama".
That would be an huge bump for NH.

QUOTE (rocci @ Mar 27 2013, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think that's a shout? hmm maybe it more similiar with sakura hug sasuke when he goes berserk.

sakura giving encouragement to naruto.

Where?
I think i forgot some panels but can you plese show me an scenario where Naruto struggled about his doubts and she encouraged him.
I dont remember the panels i think i forgot.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 27 2013, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dont you feel that the chapter come right when Sjalpha US going to be released simultneous.
I got this feelings strange that we got a chapter like 615 right when SJalpha on a campaign for subscriptions.
if he wanted to develop NH first he would make us have doubts about Naruto's feelings, the way he did with Sakura, Hinata is not an obstacle for NS and he could do it with Neji's death but he didnt.

*Neji dies*
"Naruto take care of Hinata".
"Naruto promise me you will protect Hinata-sama".
That would be an huge bump for NH.

I agree. It could have been much worse for NS than it really was. What Neji/Hinata said really wasn't romantic, and I think Kurama's interruption proves that. If it was meant to be some NH canon material, Kishi probably wouldn't have written Kurama randomly yelling during the middle of the speech. happy.gif

And you're right about the fact that we haven't been given any evidence that Naruto doubts his feelings, or that he is ashamed of them (like Sakura). That would have been TERRIBLE for us, but at the moment all we know is that Naruto loves Sakura, Sakura loves Sasuke, and Hinata loves Naruto. Go a bit deeper and you can say that Sakura dislikes her feelings for Sasuke and may have feelings for Naruto. We've still been given nothing stating that Naruto sees Hinata more than a friend.

I'm just hoping that all the lack of Sakura means she will get a big moment, or even play a part in the final battle like in RTN. I mean, Kishi didn't even show her ONCE during the distribution of Kurama's chakra, and I'm pretty sure she wasn't in that big Alliance group shot eight before they cut to Sasuke.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 27 2013, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm simply tossing out possibilities here, folks...

But if this is true, then why the hell did he write 615 like that?? there were other ways to get Hinata what she wanted. If Kishi would've known NH is not that popular, then why crank out the fanservice for them?? there's no good in it for Kishi. If he simply wanted Hinata to have a shining moment, then there could've been other ways to do so.

So it's either Kishi wants to make NH canon for unknown reasons, by developing them from now on, or there's some other reason for it. Honestly, whatever excuse he has up his ass I'm not gonna buy it considering he ruined the overall consistency of his characters.


You do realize Sakura will be present with Naruto when it comes to Sasuke right? Who do you think she will honestly talk too before the fight? The guy she knows can make everything right, or the one who tried to kill her twice and is unsure about his own reason for living?

Insane people think it will go like this: "Hey Sasuke, I know you are about to fight Naruto but I still believe you can turn back from simple words and not fighting naruto, oh dont worry about trying to kill me twice, I still forgive you, thats how love is."

What will honestly happen: Sakura will talk to Naruto, they have some drama because this is the biggest fight in Naruto's life, only he can bring Sasuke back, etc. Plus they still think at this point Sasuke is a revenge driven psycho even though he mellowed out after Itachi told him to live his own life.

Do you honestly think one chapter ruined consistency? Hinata is still microscopic compared to Sakura, why such a high pedestal? Overall it is development Hinata needed, but it was also Neji finishing up, if NaruHina continued from this, then Kishi would have honestly taken out a good character like Neji, but as it is right now, he can make the final development Hinata needs in being able to get over Naruto and find her own way, she needs this just as much as Sakura needs to get over Sasuke. Hinata shouldn't be a copy of naruto with him in the end, thats basically what NaruHina could come too. Even then, why this moment and not Sakura? In writing, minor characters always get their final development before or after the climax when the main cast gets their high point and resolution, Hinata got hers now, we saw Shikamaru and Ino get the same thing in 616, and that was much better for a ton of reasons Plus the way the fight is arranged right now, just think, as much as I like Sakura, her super punching would be an unnecessary risk against the ten tails, she should stick to the medical stuff at this point in the fight until we see where she actually is. Sakura is in store, ready to come forward, its like the apocalypse on this site sometimes.

Honestly when people complain about no Sakura this or that, its just as bad as jumping to conclusions like the NH crowd going "Canon OMG OMG WE WIN, Holding hands, OMG SHE FIXED NARUTOS SHOULDER!" NaruSaku people giving up or losing hope because of the lack of interaction is the same as admitting 'OMG we lose! No talking yet during these events!

Just let me say this, what would happen in a war? You stop for a friendly chat in the middle of a battlefield and keep the dialogue going for 20 more chapters, or do you keep fighting? The 4th war arc focused on so many people, part of it was because Kishi put in so many new characters from the 5 kage summit, this had to extend it, pt focus on many of them, and keep jumping back and forth. Keep in mind, Naruto and Sakura met up twice in the war, when he saved her from the zetsu and at the ten tails, but they are in the middle of combat, no time to talk about feelings, Naruto had a job, find the white zetsu with his clones, obviously now is not the time in the middle of a battle.

You ask why the fighting stopped with Obito and Hinata both giving speeches? Its a damn manga, all types of japanese mangas and animes do this exact same thing, pause the battle, have so exchange of ideals and blabber about hope being worthless, others saying its not worthless, this exact thing with Hinata was seen in other animes before, I've even seen it in a few video games, that's just how much this trope is used, a big pause for a dramatic speech, then they get back into the action to see who's ideal will prevail. This same thing happened in Bleach back when Aizen was taken down, he kept giving his I'm so mighty and awesome speech, subject to my trolling powers which goes against logic, yet people just kept hacking away at him till Kieskae was able to get an open shot and seal that dam orb in him nullifying his powers.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:24 PM

I've had a thought about 615. Obito was watching when Hinata was giving her speech and we had a panel of Obito looking over to her. Maybe Obito has made mental note about Hinata thinking he can share his pain of looking rin by killing Hinata?


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:24 PM

I know it's not really on topic and it's most likely already been mentioned, but I thought I'd share anyways. happy.gif

I really think SasuSaku is actually one of the biggest "allies" of NaruSaku. There may be a fair amount of assuming in this post, but whatever. Sakura is the heroine and is probably one of the biggest romance characters in the manga. A lot of her actions are driven from her intense feelings. So given this, I'm fairly certain she will be paired with someone in the end. The only logical choices would be Sasuke and Naruto. And given the current standing with Sasuke, with him really only loving his clan, and Sakura feeling ashamed over her feelings, I believe SS is about done for. Just one final confrontation and it can all be over.

Why is this important? Well NH and SS are almost always paired up. With good reason too. But if SS is pretty much dead, then that really brings down NH, right? For SasuSaku to happen, Sasuke has to get redeemed and suddenly have romantic feelings for Sakura, the person he tried to kill like 3 times. dry.gif Just doesn't seem like it will happen. And isn't Sakura a favorite of Kishi or something? So I'm guessing he would want the best for her, and at would be Naruto. smile.gif

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