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[Insurrection]

Palin has just dug herself deeper into the controversial hole she had already begun digging with an 8-minute video:

http://news.yahoo.co..._politico/47477

This woman is not understanding her circumstances. BLOOD LIBEL. You accuse your opponents of blood libel, I know it's not connected to the shooting but the fact that Giffords is Jewish and the tone of needing to tone it down, your defense is "I'm being Blood Libel!?!"!?! I know you were trying to say the media shouldn't accuse you of something that isn't your fault, I can get that. But don't use terms that can be picked up with a sharp edge especially when it's an anti-semetic slur. You're just giving more fodder.

And that's all the attention I'm going to give Palin.

Edited by Insurrection, 12 January 2011 - 07:02 PM.

[Sakura Blossoms]

This woman is not understanding her circumstances. BLOOD LIBEL. You accuse your opponents of blood libel, I know it's not connected to the shooting but the fact that Giffords is Jewish and the tone of needing to tone it down, your defense is "I'm being Blood Libel!?!"!?! I know you were trying to say the media shouldn't accuse you of something that isn't your fault, I can get that. But don't use terms that can be picked up with a sharp edge. You're just giving more fodder.

And that's all the attention I'm going to give Palin.

Honestly when I read the article and saw the words 'blood libel', the very first thing I thought was why would she even choose to use words like these. Words that the average American would probably not even know the meaning of, and not just use plain easy-to-understand words and meanings. Especially if you are trying to reach out to the public trying to make sense of these senseless shootings.

[Nate River]

This woman is not understanding her circumstances. BLOOD LIBEL. You accuse your opponents of blood libel, I know it's not connected to the shooting but the fact that Giffords is Jewish and the tone of needing to tone it down, your defense is "I'm being Blood Libel!?!"!?! I know you were trying to say the media shouldn't accuse you of something that isn't your fault, I can get that. But don't use terms that can be picked up with a sharp edge. You're just giving more fodder.

And that's all the attention I'm going to give Palin.

Not something I would have said and your right about it giving more fodder, but I'm less outragaed than you considering they tried to make her directly culpabale for one attempted murder and five other murders within a hour of the shooting when no evidence was available; then tried to blame it on the climate of hate they claim she created when the emerging evidence was refuted the initial narrative, and when that wasn't panning out tried to morph it into the hate may effect the mentally unstable.

Jim Geraphty over a National Review (a conserative source, btw) of quotations from all over the political spectrum of people using the phrase. It doesn't seem to be all that uncommon. If you think it shouldn't be used at all that's fair. But to flog her specifically over the use of phrase that has been used with some regulatrity on both sides really isn't.

http://www.nationalr...you-might-think

[Sakura Blossoms]

Lol, all I can say is poor Palin. It's like remove foot, insert the other. She basically can't win at this point. And I'm not talking about the upcoming elections. She generally just can't win with the politicians and public at large. Basically nothing she says or does nowadays is ever good news or good press for her. She's probably tugging on her hair in utter frustration at it all.

[catsi563]

Dont retreat Sarah, Reload!

and with republicans in congress allowing the Assualt weapons ban to expire, you caneven use extended 30+ round magazines to do it too.

lets not forget those second ammendmant remedies either Sarah, Rep bachman says you should be armed and dangerous, remember Bullets if ballots dont work. And always remember Glenn beck the world is coming to an end soon and we all need to be prepared ((brought to you by Goldline))

[Nate River]

You also forgot to mention Timothy McVeigh, Joe Stack, the guy who shot up the Church in Tennesse, Fox News most famous pundits as well as those of many talk radio...I could make at orchestra about it. I'll just say this: Never underestimate the power of words, especially when the tone is hysterical and divisive. And when anyone commits a heinous act, especially against a group of people, the idea to do so usually wasn't there to begin with.

Yeah they do. However, so long as the call for civility and an end to divisive rhetoric is one-directional and disingenoues, I'll decline to take it seriously, especially when the argument that people do so is supported by a rational that suggests that the terms of politcal debate should be defined by the mentally ill and the most extreme of cranks.

[Insurrection]

Not something I would have said and your right about it giving more fodder, but I'm less outragaed than you considering they tried to make her directly culpabale for one attempted murder and five other murders within a hour of the shooting when no evidence was available; then tried to blame it on the climate of hate they claim she created when the emerging evidence was refuted the initial narrative, and when that wasn't panning out tried to morph it into the hate may effect the mentally unstable.

Jim Geraphty over a National Review (a conserative source, btw) of quotations from all over the political spectrum of people using the phrase. It doesn't seem to be all that uncommon. If you think it shouldn't be used at all that's fair. But to flog her specifically over the use of phrase that has been used with some regulatrity on both sides really isn't.

http://www.nationalr...you-might-think

I wasn't trying to come off as blaming if that was my tone I was just saying from my personal view it's a poor choice of words. I know that they were tying her to the shooting but in the case that mattered it wasn't overt. They just noticed the webviews it was getting and tried to fact check and wound up gaining traction. Kind of like a bad political add that they never air for being too offensive but the media airs it because it was contreversial for free press.

I don't blame Palin for the shooting but she handled it the really wrong way because she deverted the attention back to herself instead of not trying to draw controversy. And yes the side you disagree with has said some nasty stuff, BUT they don't have the clout Palin has. If she never drew the attention that she did to herself in the manner that she did then we wouldn't have this issue.

AND DAMNIT YOU GOT ME!!! I said that was all I was going to say and now you have me esplainin' myself. You win this round sir.

But I leave a counter point with your arguement.

If there is no evidence to suggest such a link then why would those who say they are being blamed mount such a bombastic defense in response instead of being rational. Because clearly Loughner was neither Red or Blue. A anti-government right wing extremist or Left-wing pothead, he was just purely insane. So why amp up the fight if there is no fight to be had? (I just think they're to used to going higher into idiocy on both sides.)

Edited by Insurrection, 13 January 2011 - 12:59 AM.

[Sakura Blossoms]

One down:

Keith Olbermann resignes/fired

Now just need to get rid of Rachel Maddow, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, and the whole lot of them.

[Strangelove]

One down:

Keith Olbermann resignes/fired

Now just need to get rid of Rachel Maddow, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, and the whole lot of them.

Comedians will be out of the job. Well...two of them.

The reality is, FOX has no sense of integrity so they will keep Beck and Reilly.

Edited by Strangelove, 22 January 2011 - 05:36 PM.

[Nate River]

Comedians will be out of the job. Well...two of them.

The reality is, FOX has no sense of integrity so they will keep Beck and Reilly.

The reality also is that Beck, O'Reilly, Maddow, Matthews, Ed Shultz, etc. are paid to provide their opinion not straight news.

The broader question (if you think they should all be canned like Sakura suggested) is whether MSNBC and FOX or any other news organization should be giving air time to opinion commentators at all. Unless you think so, I'm not sure that integrity would require them to can everyone.

I doubt replacing Olberman with another opinion commentators would produce a result significantly different result.

[catsi563]

at least Keith opinionated as he was always backed up his opinion with well researched and vetted facts not sheer hyperbole and out right bullcrap.

I personally will miss Keith who unabashed liberal as he could be, knew where the line was drawn and rarely stepped over it. Rachel maddow follows in his footsteps as another solid journalist who may have strong held opinions but doesnt smear those opininions under a pile of crap. She does her research and vetts her facts.

Beck, Limbaugh, and ole Softball Sean hannity wouldnt know facts if you hit them in the head with them. Theyve proven it time and again. Limbaugh is a half step left of being an outright racist, Beck has utterly and completely flipped out hes gone so far off the right wing that hes not even on the same plane as the rest of us anymore. And Hannity sold out his journalistic integrity when Bush came into power. I watched that travesty of an interview he did with Sarah Palin, and I dont know why they even bothered having him there. She could have done the same with a teleprompter and FOX would have saved the money it paid Hannity to do the interview.

FOX has repeatedly paid money to rightwing candidates, openly stated its support for such candidates, and has had internal emails and memos released ordering its news casters to slant the news and facts and use key buzzwords to insure its opinons are biased.

So Im gonna miss Keith. A lone voice of sanity in this increasingly insane world.

[Strangelove]

at least Keith opinionated as he was always backed up his opinion with well researched and vetted facts not sheer hyperbole and out right bullcrap.

I personally will miss Keith who unabashed liberal as he could be, knew where the line was drawn and rarely stepped over it. Rachel maddow follows in his footsteps as another solid journalist who may have strong held opinions but doesnt smear those opininions under a pile of crap. She does her research and vetts her facts.

Beck, Limbaugh, and ole Softball Sean hannity wouldnt know facts if you hit them in the head with them. Theyve proven it time and again. Limbaugh is a half step left of being an outright racist, Beck has utterly and completely flipped out hes gone so far off the right wing that hes not even on the same plane as the rest of us anymore. And Hannity sold out his journalistic integrity when Bush came into power. I watched that travesty of an interview he did with Sarah Palin, and I dont know why they even bothered having him there. She could have done the same with a teleprompter and FOX would have saved the money it paid Hannity to do the interview.

FOX has repeatedly paid money to rightwing candidates, openly stated its support for such candidates, and has had internal emails and memos released ordering its news casters to slant the news and facts and use key buzzwords to insure its opinons are biased.

So Im gonna miss Keith. A lone voice of sanity in this increasingly insane world.

I agree, Beck uses puppets for his research, as well as his boards of bogus research. Yet i disagree with you on Keith about knowing when to draw the line. It earned him a whooping from Stewart because he stepped over the line, in the Massachusetts senate election to replace Ted Kennedy's seat. He uses bogus research to prove his bogus point. So i will not miss him, he makes millions of dollars, he couldn't care less about his following.

Edited by Strangelove, 22 January 2011 - 08:00 PM.

[catsi563]

Ill grant you that one. But he did at least humble himself to apologize when wrong. I have yet to hear Beck or Limbaugh apologize for anything. As I said he rarely stepped over it.

But Id disagree he doesnt care. he was visibly affected by the out pouring of support for him when he was suspended, and for the support people showed for the free clinics and the transplant patients.

[Strangelove]

Just recently Cheney came out saying he will need a new heart transplant...

I thought you needed a heart in the first place...

http://voices.washin...-i-may-nee.html

[catsi563]

Just recently Cheney came out saying he will need a new heart transplant...

I thought you needed a heart in the first place...

http://voices.washin...-i-may-nee.html

/applaud /agreed

[Sakura Blossoms]

Colour-coded threat alert system finally going away:

http://cosmos.bcst.y...up/?cl=23977170

This was honestly one of the stupidest things Bush and his croni...advisers ever came up with...one of many.

And, drama in Egypt:

http://news.yahoo.co...-whats-going-on

And seriously this racist needs to step down from his 'job', like Olbermann did:

http://news.yahoo.co...asian_americans

[catsi563]

Except Keith was never a racist, and unlike Rush; Keith actually had pertinent news to impart not blatant gibberish.

But yeah Rush needs to be put out to pasture his acts wearing thin. Glenn Beck needs to be put in a lunatic asylum to get some serious help. the man has gne so far off the right wing hes not even on the same plane as the rest of us any more. Sean hannity just plain needs to quit, his handholding of people like Palin is beyond pathetic.

Egypt doesnt surprise me at all. Its bascially a preiew of whats going to happen here if things dont change. When you have only a rich class, and a poor class eventually as Marx himself said this type of revolution is inevitable.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Except Keith was never a racist, and unlike Rush; Keith actually had pertinent news to impart not blatant gibberish.

You misread my post. I never said that Olbermann was racist. I meant that Limbaugh should step down like Keith Olbermann stepped down. That is all.


Edit -

It's Sarah Palin-itis all over again:

Michele Bachmann

[Strangelove]

Mhmm...I have seen a lot of Americans saying ching chong cha when they are imitating Chinese language. I find it ridiculous, but not to the point of demanding an apology...

Only one thing to say...Liberals


For taking a silly joke from a fat dude in a radio station and turning it into a fight. Instead of discussing what China has to do to get the trillions of dollars America owns it.


Making fun of a country leader is what Americans are all about.

We make fun of our own country leaders, we make fun of the Iranian president, do i hear someone saying it was disrespectful? We make fun of the leader in North Korea...i don't hear Korean Americans saying it was disrespect. Heck we even make fun of leaders we like.

Edited by Strangelove, 29 January 2011 - 01:24 AM.