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[RyrineaHaruno]

okay here's my assessment it isn't like a hint thing but more of a logic thing which could easily mess with the NaruHina's arguments if they stumble with it
Naruto DOESN'T feel all that close to Hinata but does to Sakura reason being why i figure that not only with their friendship, but Naruto told Sakura that he was the Jinchuriki without being forced to or anything, he did it on his own free will. This shows on an obvious psychological standpoint that he feels close enough to her to tell her such a HUGE secret and trusts her with it and trust and feeling close to another is the basic building block to caring for someone deeply, even though because he didn't tell hinata doesn't mean that he doesn't care for her, it just shows he doesn't care for her on a much deeper level. i mean hell he told Temari! and at the beginning of Shippuden, he didn't know who she was! well maybe he told her cuz he knew about Gaara being one too but anyway that's beside the point. he didn't tell Hinata to my knowledge. i may not be all that caught up on EVERY manga chapter, but i'm pretty sure i would have heard about him telling Hinata.

Okay i may be wrong he mightn't told her, but to the best of my knowledge the only people HE told are Sakura and Temari.

Yeah Kuboutmaru told Hinata and team 8, and yes Sakura and Temari were the only ones he was not forced to tell. He felt close to Temari because of Gaara.

[Kori]

Yeah Kuboutmaru told Hinata and team 8, and yes Sakura and Temari were the only ones he was not forced to tell. He felt close to Temari because of Gaara.

thats what i thought the point was that HE didn't tell Hinata and never attempted to either

[RyrineaHaruno]

thats what i thought the point was that HE didn't tell Hinata and never attempted to either

Yeap that is true that she never learned it from him the in it on right proves that he doesn't even know her that well.

[Kori]

Yeap that is true that she never learned it from him the in it on right proves that he doesn't even know her that well.

he doesn't even know Temari well either, but he trusts her.

[RyrineaHaruno]

he doesn't even know Temari well either, but he trusts her.

Yes he trust Temari because she is Garra sister and noes about the pain about having a Jinchuriki for a bother so in away he does now her and respects her and Gaara. Sorry if this is confusing lol.

[Kori]

Yes he trust Temari because she is Garra sister and noes about the pain about having a Jinchuriki for a bother so in away he does now her and respects her and Gaara. Sorry if this is confusing lol.

lol no i know what your saying lol

[catsi563]

Actually honestly I think Temari simply learned it by default because she was there at the moment he told Sakura.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Actually honestly I think Temari simply learned it by default because she was there at the moment he told Sakura.

Yeah I think your right to Catsi but I also think he trusted her as well although I might just been reading in to it to far lol.

[Nate River]

I think i just thought of something we can use for our debating!!! ok this a counter arguement to the Naruto caring deeply for Hinata

okay here's my assessment it isn't like a hint thing but more of a logic thing which could easily mess with the NaruHina's arguements if they stumble with it
Naruto DOESN'T feel all that close to Hinata but does to Sakura reason being why i figure that not only with their friendship, but Naruto told Sakura that he was the Jinchuriki without being forced to or anything, he did it on his own free will. This shows on an obvious psychological standpoint that he feels close enough to her to tell her such a HUGE secret and trusts her with it and trust and feeling close to another is the basic building block to caring for someone deeply, even though because he didn't tell hinata doesn't mean that he doens't care for her, it just shows he doesn't care for her on a much deeper level. i mean hell he told Temari! and at the beginning of Shippuden, he didn't know who she was! well maybe he told her cuz he knew about Gaara being one too but anyway that's beside the point. he didn't tell Hinata to my knowledge. i may not be all that caught up on EVERY manga chapter, but i'm pretty sure i would have heard about him telling Hinata. Okay i may be wrong he might've told her, but to the best of my knowledge the only people HE told are Sakura and Temari.

If anyone already thought up this arguement i'm sorry for accidently claiming the original BUT i hope you don't say "oh! i thought of this earlier" when you read mine and just want to be better liked jeez i hate people like that!!!

anyway i hope this is a good point i thought up so maybe we can use it and it'll bring us a step closer to making the NaruHina's more logically thinking!!!
Peace ^/ \^

P.S. i just thought of this out of nowhere (like most great ideas) so it's still a bit contradictory to itself, I'm sure that with some time we can edit the arguement a bit to make it not contradict itself and make it more logical. (i didn't have time to plan it out i just wanted to get the main idea out to you guys first ) so we can work with this together, patch it up and then who know? maybe it'll be one of the more important arguments we use. we can actually press something on them instead of countering theirs!!! we can go on the offensive!!

Personally, I think it's actually its kind of a weak argument.

There are at least two major weaknesses with it.

The first is opportunity. It's not as if Naruto just came up to Sakura and said, "Hey, I have Kyuubi." It was brought up in the context of rescuing Gaara. The same is true with Hinata. It's not as if he's just going to turn to her start talking about Kyuubi. In other words, I don't think you can take the fact that he has not talked about it to her as evidence that he would not talk to her. The only possible time it would have come up before now is when Kakashi said something and it wasn't the same kind of context.

Second, and more importantly, Kishimoto has given us nothing about how many people know, how they found out, or what there reaction was when they found out. When knew Sakura found out because of how she reacted when he said it and we knew Team 8 (and most likely all the rookies) knew because Kakashi mentioned it without an "Oh crap" moment. It's actually incredibly disappointing that Kishi did this. I was really hoping to see people found out and see what they said and did, but he virtually ignored it.

In other words, its impossible to know how either of them found out, but given the timing we find out they know, I'm doubting they initially found out from Naruto.

Finally, that Kishimoto ignored the issue almost entirely says to me he didn't feel it was terribly important, so I think any implications that it may have probably aren't important themselves.

[Jenskott]

I don't agree.

Regardless the context, Kishimoto intentionedly wrote one scene where Naruto told Sakura his biggest secrest, and he showed Sakura's reaction (and her reaction used more panels than Temari's reaction). Even if Naruto surmised she already knew, and she didn't seem real shocked, he wrote that scene. And Kishimoto wrote one scene where Sasuke found out about Naruto's secret, and he showed his reaction.

He didn't wrote one similar scene with Hinata. It tells me he thought showing Sakura and Sasuke's reactions was important, but showing the reactions of the other kids wasn't (and Temari's reaction counted for all). Therefore, it places Hinata in the level of importance, Naruto-wise, where Shino or Neji are.

This fact proves -not that it needed being proved!- that Sakura and Sasuke are more important to Naruto than Hinata. Showing their reactions and feelings was necessary plotwise. Hinata's reaction and feelings... not so much.

Anyway I don't remember that we have seen one scene prior the current arc explicitely says Team Gai and Team Asuma know. We simply assumed they knew or somewhow they found out. And personally I think Team Eight were debriefed about Naruto's secret during their meeting in the Hokage's office, right before leaving Konoha.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Regardless the context, Kishimoto intentionality wrote one scene where Naruto told Sakura his biggest serest, and he showed Sakura's reaction (and her reaction used more panels than Temari's reaction). Even if Naruto surmised she already knew, and she didn't seem real shocked, he wrote that scene. And Kishimoto wrote one scene where Sasuke found out about Naruto's secret, and he showed his reaction.

I do agree with this why would he write this scene if it was unnecessary lol.

He didn't wrote one similar scene with Hinata. It tells me he thought showing Sakura and Sasuke's reactions was important, but showing the reactions of the other kids wasn't (and Temari's reaction counted for all). Therefore, it places Hinata in the level of importance, Naruto-wise, where Shino or Neji are.

Yeah I agree with you there too it hard to say really thought.

This fact proves -not that it needed being proved!- that Sakura and Sasuke are more important to Naruto than Hinata. Showing their reactions and feelings was necessary plotwise. Hinata's reaction and feelings... not so much.

I aggree with you their

Anyway I don't remember that we have seen one scene prior the current arc explicitly says Team Gai and Team Asuma know. We simply assumed they knew or somehow they found out. And personally I think Team Eight were debriefed about Naruto's secret during their meeting in the Hokage's office, right before leaving Konoha.

I believe that Shikamaru might have figured it out , seeing how he a genius( ) but didn't care that Naruto was a container. He was the first of his friends to be his friend just because.

[Jenskott]

I do agree with this why would he write this scene if it was unnecessary lol.

Precisely. And I don't see how the context diminish the revelation. Yes, they were going to rescue Gaara. But Team Gai also collaborated in that arc, and Naruto didn't reveal anything to them. Or we didn't see one scene where he did. And Team Eight were going to help to hunt one Akatsuki, yet we didn't see the scene where Naruto or someone else explained to them who were the Akatsuki and why they were chasing Naruto.

Yoai/Yuri parings I just hate to see my best friend Sexual orientation being used like that for girls/boys sexual fantasy.

I don't mind if they are gay thought I just don't like straight people turning other straights turned gay for their fantasy paring and believe that it will happen in the Manga that is not Yoai . I hate how they do that really. It funny that the Yoai fandom thinks that really no Shouen Manga has ever had a boy x boy paring never. I have been reading shouen since the early 90's without know it was Anime lol. My cousin got me in to it so yeah.

I don't mind that you like it thought.

Don't worry. I agree with your statement. It's very tiresome constantly seeing someone else's creations being perverted to suit the sexual fantasies of fanboys/fangirls.

It's also very irritating how crazy fans turn ALL relationships in a lovefest. There're many different kinds of relationships (friendship, comradeship, rivalry, brother/sisterhood, father/child, mentor/disciple, lord/vassal...) and many kinds of love. Usually, mangas explore those different, rich relationships and it's very interesting seeing the nuances of each one of them. But romance-obsessed fanboys/girls ALWAYS have to turn them into romantic love (and often it's because they find the characters totally hot and want seeing them making out). It gets annoyingly tiresome and boring.

Of course not all yaoi/yuri fans are like that. But many of them are like that.

And no, I'm not telling what other fans can or can not like, or yaoi/yuri is wrong, or shipping crack pairings is wrong. And it'd be just so damned annoying if they turned homosexual characters into heterosexual ones, but I haven't seen that kind of switch yet. It's because that I'm only refering to yaoi/yuri shippers taking over non-yaoi/yuri series and their fandoms.

And it's way more annoying when not only they switch the characters' sexual prefferences but also they claim it's canon. NO, it's NOT.

And yes, I know I've said I ship SakuIno, but I don't actively search fanfiction featuring them like a pairing, neither I'd never claim they are one in the canon source. I'm more interested in reading about their friendship/rivalry in the manga and in fanfiction that in reading smut for satiating my depraved tendences.

By the way, a lot of NaruSasu fans claim Kishimoto has said in an interview he ships NaruSasu, Naruto and Sasuke will end up together at the end, and maybe he'll write one doujinshi featuring the "couple".

Of course, they never tell when or where that interview happened, and they never offer a link to that supposed interview. Of course, it's preposterous thnking Kishimoto will give away the end so randomly. And the claim of the creator and owner of the characters says he'll write one doujin (instead of an official story) makes the tale unlikelier (and utterly unbelievable and dumb). Hence, given the lack of solid -or any- proof or evidence, I reckon that's an internet myth.

Nevertheless, I've found many NaruSasu shippers downright convinced of the truth of it. They NEVER question the story or ask a link to a credible, legitimate source.

The amusing part is NaruHina fans also tell Kishimoto has confirmed their ship's canonicity in an interview.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Don't worry. I agree with your statement. It's very tiresome constantly seeing someone else's creations being perverted to suit the sexual fantasies of fanboys/fangirls.

It's also very irritating how crazy fans turn ALL relationships in a lovefest. There're many different kinds of relationships (friendship, comradeship, rivalry, brother/sisterhood, father/child, mentor/disciple, lord/vassal...) and many kinds of love. Usually, mangas explore those different, rich relationships and it's very interesting seeing the nuances of each one of them. But romance-obsessed fanboys/girls ALWAYS have to turn them into romantic love (and often it's because they find the characters totally hot and want seeing them making out). It gets annoyingly tiresome and boring.

Yeah I tottaly agree with you here.

Of course not all yaoi/yuri fans are like that. But many of them are like that.

And no, I'm not telling what other fans can or can not like, or yaoi/yuri is wrong, or shipping crack pairings is wrong. And it'd be just so damned annoying if they turned homosexual characters into heterosexual ones, but I haven't seen that kind of switch yet. It's because that I'm only referring to yaoi/yuri shippers taking over non-yaoi/yuri series and their fandoms.

And it's way more annoying when not only they switch the characters' sexual preferences but also they claim it's canon. NO, it's NOT.

I know I hate that Yoai/Yuri parings are taking over my Shouen Manga. I know I hate that they claim it Canon but it not canon in a Shouen Manga.

And yes, I know I've said I ship SakuIno, but I don't actively search fanfiction featuring them like a pairing, neither I'd never claim they are one in the canon source. I'm more interested in reading about their friendship/rivalry in the manga and in fanfiction that in reading smut for satiating my depraved tendences.

By the way, a lot of NaruSasu fans claim Kishimoto has said in an interview he ships NaruSasu, Naruto and Sasuke will end up together at the end, and maybe he'll write one doujinshi featuring the "couple".

That's just as stupid as the Naruto x Hinata interview just because he said I hope that she get her chance doen't mean they will end up together. Yeah I heard that argument as well I find that Highly unlikely.

Of course, they never tell when or where that interview happened, and they never offer a link to that supposed interview. Of course, it's preposterous thinking Kishimoto will give away the end so randomly. And the claim of the creator and owner of the characters says he'll write one doujin (instead of an official story) makes the tale unlikelier (and utterly unbelievable and dumb). Hence, given the lack of solid -or any- proof or evidence, I reckon that's an internet myth.

Nevertheless, I've found many NaruSasu shippers downright convinced of the truth of it. They NEVER question the story or ask a link to a credible, legitimate source.

The amusing part is NaruHina fans also tell Kishimoto has confirmed their ship's canonical in an interview.

Yes I hate that too they never give a link to the source or to the interview . I find it highly unlikely that he even like his character being paired up randomly lol. I know i would hate it but what can you do really.
The fandom really irritating me sometimes but at least I try to stay in the right mind of the writer or Mangaka artist and story teller. I don't clam my ship is canon until it is deiced by the storyteller or Mangaka artist lol.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 18 April 2009 - 07:34 PM.

[Verilance]

About Hinata having her chance am I the only one to see that her chance has come just a few chapters ago and now it is time to get back to the reality of who Naruto really likes.

[RyrineaHaruno]

About Hinata having her chance am I the only one to see that her chance has come just a few chapters ago and now it is time to get back to the reality of who Naruto really likes.

coughSakuracough

[Kori]

Personally, I think it's actually its kind of a weak argument.

There are at least two major weaknesses with it.

The first is opportunity. It's not as if Naruto just came up to Sakura and said, "Hey, I have Kyuubi." It was brought up in the context of rescuing Gaara. The same is true with Hinata. It's not as if he's just going to turn to her start talking about Kyuubi. In other words, I don't think you can take the fact that he has not talked about it to her as evidence that he would not talk to her. The only possible time it would have come up before now is when Kakashi said something and it wasn't the same kind of context.

Second, and more importantly, Kishimoto has given us nothing about how many people know, how they found out, or what there reaction was when they found out. When knew Sakura found out because of how she reacted when he said it and we knew Team 8 (and most likely all the rookies) knew because Kakashi mentioned it without an "Oh crap" moment. It's actually incredibly disappointing that Kishi did this. I was really hoping to see people found out and see what they said and did, but he virtually ignored it.

In other words, its impossible to know how either of them found out, but given the timing we find out they know, I'm doubting they initially found out from Naruto.

Finally, that Kishimoto ignored the issue almost entirely says to me he didn't feel it was terribly important, so I think any implications that it may have probably aren't important themselves.

yeah i understand what your saying, i don't remember if i said it in there, but i read the chapter i only heard what happened and not the way it lead up to it and i know i said this part (not trying to sound mean) that i just thought of it out of nowhere and admittedly after a couple days i started to have my doubts whether it would be a good arguement or not i never really thought it through, but i wanted to see whether my random idea was worth mentioning, guess not

[Hysteria]

http://forums.naruto...ad.php?t=496942

Just plain unbelievable...

Naruto : But you know what ? I just love people like you.

Hinata : .....

Talk about pathetic desperation.

Edited by Derock, 27 April 2009 - 05:24 PM.

[Jenskott]

If that's the kind of statements/lies are spread in forums and message boards, I'm beginning to understand plenty things about this fandom, and why NaruHina fans think like they do.

[Hysteria]

If that's the kind of statements/lies are spread in forums and message boards, I'm beginning to understand plenty things about this fandom, and why NaruHina fans think like they do.

Are you kidding me?

Almost every post of theirs pisses me off, but I digress...


That's Narutofan fer yah!

[RyrineaHaruno]

Are you kidding me?

Almost every post of theirs pisses me off, but I digress...


That's Narutofan fer yah!

Naruto x Hinata fans are in denial really they just they can't understand that their paring has no development what so ever.