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[TouKen4Life3g]

... I can't believe that dude twisted his own daughter's arm! Why isn't he in prison yet for physically hurting his 6 year child?! That's logic for you I guess when it comes to mangas.
Anyways, with each chapter passing, I just feel more and more bad for Erina. She suffered so much.
What I am hoping for this arc is that Soma is not the one who will rescue her, but more so "aid" her in finally defying her father. Cause what's the use if she's just a mere damsel in distress and needs to be rescued by Soma? She needs to learn to overcome that psychological hurdle herself. Soma can't shield her from her father's terrorizing influence. 
 
Moreso, I hope that Erina learns to open up more and rely on her friends/make new friends. I'd love to see Erina and Megumi getting along cause I'm a sucker for relationships b/w elite and plebeian characters, lol.

What I see is first come saving, then come overcoming. I do expect him to save her, but I do hope not to be solved completely without having her overcoming it as to say, "Hey, don't worry anymore. He's gone for good. If he shows up, you may be frozen again but I'll be back." That shouldn't be the way. In fact, a lot of series does that and honestly, it does make me care for a possible pairing. So far, it worked well and if not, it worked stronger. So in this case, if done right, it will make me care even more.

It's nothing wrong saving the person, so long that person learn something. In fact, you may notice that a lot of love interest, whether they become an item or not in the end, always get the saving part from the protagonist, and whatever they need to learn, that's on their own. As of now, she does need saving because last chapter pretty much gave you idea that her soul is out of that body. Save first, then overcome it.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 24 September 2015 - 05:21 PM.

[FireFox]

I thought it was sealed by chapter 4. I even wrote that sarcasm of who is the woman for him back in my impression. I'll search for it.

Edit: Here you go:

http://sparda3g.tumb...okugeki-no-soma

Spot on  its a Perfect post/summary . 

... I can't believe that dude twisted his own daughter's arm! Why isn't he in prison yet for physically hurting his 6 year child?! That's logic for you I guess when it comes to mangas.

Anyways, with each chapter passing, I just feel more and more bad for Erina. She suffered so much.

What I am hoping for this arc is that Soma is not the one who will rescue her, but more so "aid" her in finally defying her father. Cause what's the use if she's just a mere damsel in distress and needs to be rescued by Soma? She needs to learn to overcome that psychological hurdle herself. Soma can't shield her from her father's terrorizing influence. 

 

Moreso, I hope that Erina learns to open up more and rely on her friends/make new friends. I'd love to see Erina and Megumi getting along cause I'm a sucker for relationships b/w elite and plebeian characters, lol.

Yeah that part doesn't make much sense  .

 

As for the rest what 4life said , and there's a reason for why Senzaemon is telling this to Soma about how she used to be an smile all the time basically being a normal happy kid . So how will she overcome this nightmare , I think it will be simple in a shounen way . First Soma of course (maybe with friends) will somehow reach out to her  with his cooking (bc that's how it works here) it will help her bring her smile , find herself and get back to normal and then (I hope) she'll break out of her chains that binds her and stand up for herself to Azami  thus marking her development . Otherwise  worst case scenario just like you said .

 

Well she's kind of open but only with Hisako , to open up more and be a bit more friendly sure but I'm not so sure about relaying to much on others at least about her cooking .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 24 September 2015 - 05:55 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Spot on  its a Perfect post/summary . 
Yeah that part doesn't make sense much .
 
As for the rest what 4life said , and there's a reason for why Senzaemon is tell this to Soma about how she used to be an smile all the time basically being a normal happy kid . So how will she overcome this nightmare , I think it will be simple in a shounen way . First Soma of course (maybe with friends) will somehow reach out to her  with his cooking (bc that's how it works here) it will help her find herself and get back to normal and then (I hope) she'll break out of her chains that binds her and stand up for herself to Azami  thus marking her development . Otherwise  worst case scenario just like you said .
 
Well she's kind of open but only with Hisako , to open up more and be a bit more friendly sure but I'm not so sure about relaying to much on others at least about her cooking .

Thank you.

As for how he got away, well, just remember, we don't have camera everywhere in the world, so he might got caught much later on. In fact, a lot of media always have them caught much later after the domestic violence. That said I don't really find it fault. More like the way media works, or hell, as much as I hate to say it, how life works.

Now back to the prediction. In a lot of stories, the saving part has the hero with his comrades/friends, but the hero is the one doing the love/cool pose, which leaves a much stronger impression. So that's what I'm expecting. After dozens of series I read/watch, I expect no different. Unless Megumi got #1 in next popularity poll without doing anything, only to believe USA hijacked it, which leaves the writer to change of plan and save for a OVA special for real ending.

But that's just me.

[FireFox]

Thank you.

As for how he got away, well, just remember, we don't have camera everywhere in the world, so he might got caught much later on. In fact, a lot of media always have them caught much later after the domestic violence. That said I don't really find it fault. More like the way media works, or hell, as much as I hate to say it, how life works.

Now back to the prediction. In a lot of stories, the saving part has the hero with his comrades/friends, but the hero is the one doing the love/cool pose, which leaves a much stronger impression. So that's what I'm expecting. After dozens of series I read/watch, I expect no different. Unless Megumi got #1 in next popularity poll without doing anything, only to believe USA hijacked it, which leaves the writer to change of plan and save for a OVA special for real ending.

But that's just me.

You're welcome .

 

Well that's true and they were always alone in an isolated  dark room so that also might explain it , but then how does Senzaemon knows !? He must have caught Azami in the act or something , and since he took custody of Erina then that also means that he must have reported the crime not to mention being banished , so some thing don't quite add up    (it really baffles me how some say that twisting her arm like that wasn't abusive but "normal parenting" ) .

 

LOL Yeah that's pretty much how its is . Of course its the hero who'll bring the queen's smile back to her at the end , I can already see the set up  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 24 September 2015 - 06:18 PM.

[RyohkiFan]

https://mangahelpers...er-Thread/page5

Chapter spoiler is out!!

[FireFox]

https://mangahelpers...er-Thread/page5

Chapter spoiler is out!!

http://i.4cdn.org/a/1443114592977.jpg

 

Panels 11 till 14 JFC !!! . Is that the damage I see on her arm from twisting it !? . And those evil psychotic grins he makes while at it , the guy is a total psychotic nuttjob .

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, not going to look anymore. The chapter deserved my patience.

[FireFox]

Yeah, not going to look anymore. The chapter deserved my patience.

Patience !? . Sorry I don't know what that word means .

[harry4e]

spoiler

 

On the scan above the text above Azami it says The number 3 seat is Nakamura  1st Gin and 2nd Joi . What reason would he have at that time to use that as an alias !? It makes no sense considering the raw also says he's in his 1st year and entered the Elite 10 .

 

Yeah on that I agree Azami was banished after the events with Erina . What you say about Joi is also very much possible so we have to wait a bit for the answer .

 

 

Yes more or less it gave the vibe . Yeah I guess but like you said I'm fine either way for me it was obvious with that foreshadowing at the beginning ( Ch 3 I think the talk on the cell between Joi and Soma ) .

Ehhhhh am I !!? .  I can't see it in a different context its like 4life said  even if its not " that straightforward " .  I think its pretty much self explanatory with what we have even more so now with where this development/plot is going .

 

Well at that time he was still Nakamura and until graduation , he probably got married after that and took the Nakiri famous/respectable name . That would explain he's still in the school register and not as an Nakiri .  

 

 

 

Yeah but what if the records were changed to give him a different name to remove him from the family's history? If he was married into the family, his name could be invoked from the family registry by the head of the family, but he still keeps the name, Plus he said he had the bloodline...suggesting he was born with Nakira bloodin him. Who knows the gradfather could be really strict at the time and want to ensure his sons did not take advantage of their family name and earned their status without the aid of the family name. He could be a child born out of wedlock, and kept his mother name. Thing is we don't know, and i'm not going to dismiss either possability, until it is confirmed one way or another.

 

 

Just because the pairing seems like the most likely course, it doesn't mean it is going to end up as the actual end pair, the thing is you said the mankgaka confirmed the ending was SxE which he has not done, which is where my issue is. Yeah I agree the SxE route seems obvious, and the one largely hinted at but it's not been confirmed as the end...if it was the manga would lose some of it's appeal.

 

The father is one nasty piece of turd, to twist your own child like that, having her lose her innocence at such a young age because of his torture. There seems to be some posts on MH blaming the grandfather for not stepping in now and stopping Azami from taking control of Erina's life again, they seem to have forgotten, he did everything in his power to stop him, but he's taken control of the school and is using the powers he inherited as the director to take control, if Erinas grandfather wanted snach his granddaugter out of the situation she is in right now, so he's doing the only thinghe thinks he can do right now, bowing his head to the one person who he feels can save Erina from herself. Which I hope is the route the manga takes, not of Souma defeating Azami himself but of him giving Erina the strength to overcome her father and help her to have him removed.

 

There seems to be some argument about Erina's grandfather and how he is being critisized for not stopping

[FireFox]

 

Yeah but what if the records were changed to give him a different name to remove him from the family's history? If he was married into the family, his name could be invoked from the family registry by the head of the family, but he still keeps the name, Plus he said he had the bloodline...suggesting he was born with Nakira bloodin him. Who knows the gradfather could be really strict at the time and want to ensure his sons did not take advantage of their family name and earned their status without the aid of the family name. He could be a child born out of wedlock, and kept his mother name. Thing is we don't know, and i'm not going to dismiss either possability, until it is confirmed one way or another.

 

 

Just because the pairing seems like the most likely course, it doesn't mean it is going to end up as the actual end pair, the thing is you said the mankgaka confirmed the ending was SxE which he has not done, which is where my issue is. Yeah I agree the SxE route seems obvious, and the one largely hinted at but it's not been confirmed as the end...if it was the manga would lose some of it's appeal.

 

The father is one nasty piece of turd, to twist your own child like that, having her lose her innocence at such a young age because of his torture. There seems to be some posts on MH blaming the grandfather for not stepping in now and stopping Azami from taking control of Erina's life again, they seem to have forgotten, he did everything in his power to stop him, but he's taken control of the school and is using the powers he inherited as the director to take control, if Erinas grandfather wanted snach his granddaugter out of the situation she is in right now, so he's doing the only thinghe thinks he can do right now, bowing his head to the one person who he feels can save Erina from herself. Which I hope is the route the manga takes, not of Souma defeating Azami himself but of him giving Erina the strength to overcome her father and help her to have him removed.

 

There seems to be some argument about Erina's grandfather and how he is being critisized for not stopping

That could also work but only from the pov if Senzaemon did it to protect the Nakiri's good name and hide this incident from everyone in order to prevent that bc that would pretty much ruin their reputation . As for him invoking his name from the family's register , well he didn't do anything bad at that point as far as we know , there was no reason for it until the incident with Erina . But if Senzaemon wanted the members of his family to not take advantage of its name then the others like Alice , her father and Erina should had the same treatment but that's not the case . . But yeah I agree on the last point its to complicated  and we have so little info about them and the events .

 

Ok fair enough , perhaps I should have said the author gave a slight hint/tease !? .

 

Yeah exactly I mean there's not much he can do at this point he did what he could even came with the security to throw him out but the Psycho already took control over the Tootsuki , so i really don't understand some of the complaints . I think going to Soma and asking to save Erina by " bringing her smile back " was very noble of him . But Azami really should have been put in prison , unless he was and got out but we'll have to wait and see what was he really doing while he was gone . 

 

I find it repulsing by how they defend Azami and actions over Erina with that arm twist , basing it on some ridiculous nonsensical culture thing when this is the literal proof of child abuse even by the context of the manga , they seem to think that brainwashing is not a form of an abuse like there's only one form of abuse "physical" ugh !!! . They seem to not understand that Erina's psychological problem mental abuse is the result of his physical abuse first and foremost  by installing fear into her , that's how he made her into a puppet and brainwashed her , its like when you're torturing someone over and over again until they forget everything and accept  their tormentor's  "reality/ideals" and who knows how much time Azami did spend on doing that to Erina we've only seen brief summary of it  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 25 September 2015 - 12:16 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If you ask me, I would wait for more info, rather than assume everything is discarded or whatever. We only got the main point but not how and what went down. So you got to be patience on things like that.

[FireFox]

If you ask me, I would wait for more info, rather than assume everything is discarded or whatever. We only got the main point but not how and what went down. So you got to be patience on things like that.

Hehehe right XD . The only problem is that I'm to hyperactive and impatient so I like making all sorts of theories that would at least makes some sense with the info we have of all the events  its fun for me , and I think it would keep this place moving and give us some topics to discus making it more interesting  . 

[FireFox]

spoiler

 

 

 Bottom page is the line from Senzaemon."新戸緋沙子を含む・・・多くの者の存在がそれを助けてくれた。しかし薊は知っている。えりなの心がまだ鳥籠の中に在ることを"

(He says many people, including Hisako, have assisted/helped her [overcome the ordeal], but Azami knows Erina's heart is still inside the "birdcage")

 

Someone in MH made a good point about this .

 

So going by this from everyone who has tried to help her so far no one really succeeded  to free her fully from her "bird cage" not even Joichiro . No wonder Senzaemon has observed carefully their interaction and smirking happily  , he probably thinks that Soma is the only one who can achieve saving Erina from her "bird cage" that her father put her in bc Soma awakens that different (funny/fun) side from her with his personality and strips her from her high pedestal 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 25 September 2015 - 12:30 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

spoiler

 

 
 Bottom page is the line from Senzaemon."新戸緋沙子を含む・・・多くの者の存在がそれを助けてくれた。しかし薊は知っている。えりなの心がまだ鳥籠の中に在ることを"

(He says many people, including Hisako, have assisted/helped her [overcome the ordeal], but Azami knows Erina's heart is still inside the "birdcage")
 
Someone in MH made a good point about this .
 
So going by this from everyone who has tried to help her so far no one really succeeded  to free her fully from her "bird cage" not even Joichiro . No wonder Senzaemon has observed carefully their interaction and smirking happily  , he probably thinks that Soma is the only one who can achieve saving Erina from her "bird cage" that her father put her in bc Soma awakens that different (funny/fun) side from her with his personality and strips her from her high pedestal 

Yeah...They're going to be canon...

[FireFox]

 

 

Yup !!! .

[trang95]

What I see is first come saving, then come overcoming. I do expect him to save her, but I do hope not to be solved completely without having her overcoming it as to say, "Hey, don't worry anymore. He's gone for good. If he shows up, you may be frozen again but I'll be back." That shouldn't be the way. In fact, a lot of series does that and honestly, it does make me care for a possible pairing. So far, it worked well and if not, it worked stronger. So in this case, if done right, it will make me care even more.

It's nothing wrong saving the person, so long that person learn something. In fact, you may notice that a lot of love interest, whether they become an item or not in the end, always get the saving part from the protagonist, and whatever they need to learn, that's on their own. As of now, she does need saving because last chapter pretty much gave you idea that her soul is out of that body. Save first, then overcome it.

Tbh, I guess I don't want the saving the damsel in distress in this particular manga. I don't hate that trope and sometimes I think it's really heartwarming, lol, but I personally don't want it to be seen in here. This is the first time Erina will receive some crucial development, and I don't want it to go down the cliche route. I wouldn't care that much with how Erina gets changed if it weren't for a) me caring so much about her, and b) the stupid/hateful comments I've read that are borderline obnoxious.

But I admit what you say makes sense in here, too, and it most likely will go down that route. My expectations simply skip that saving the damsel in distress step, that's all XD

Do I have trust in the authors to carry this out in a way that will change the Erina hater's view on her convincingly?: I do.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Tbh, I guess I don't want the saving the damsel in distress in this particular manga. I don't hate that trope and sometimes I think it's really heartwarming, lol, but I personally don't want it to be seen in here. This is the first time Erina will receive some crucial development, and I don't want it to go down the cliche route. I wouldn't care that much with how Erina gets changed if it weren't for a) me caring so much about her, and b) the stupid/hateful comments I've read that are borderline obnoxious.
But I admit what you say makes sense in here, too, and it most likely will go down that route. My expectations simply skip that saving the damsel in distress step, that's all XD
Do I have trust in the authors to carry this out in a way that will change the Erina hater's view on her convincingly?: I do.

Yeah, I understand. But Shounen plus romance or maybe just a very popular trope like tsundere, it's just the way it is.

[nikki1314]

For A second there i thought azami has the rinnengan XD

[FireFox]

Meh !!! MH has always been like that , 99% of the members in there do nothing but complaining for various reasons   . Don't know what's the general opinion on the other sites/forums about this plot events .

[TouKen4Life3g]

Meh !!! MH has always been like that , 99% of the members in there do nothing but complaining for various reasons   . Don't know what's the general opinion on the other sites/forums about this plot events .

MAL seems to be accepting on the whole romance endgame as well as direction. There is a thread on cousins talk but many voted no on them being one. I guess you can say the least damage control community so far.