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[AnaHatakechan]

I don't think I want to get my hopes up again. I'm gonna read the next chapter, and the ones following, like I'm sure NH is canon. From what I've seen there is no way around NH right now that won't make Naruto and Kishi look like asses. They already do to the NS fans. Call me negative but that's the only way I'm gonna reduce the hurt. Anyway, I like how everyone just ignored the negatives of the recent chapter because of the NH implications. If that had been Sakura I wonder how many people would have dropped the manga then and there, and pointing out that the bad things that were written in.

I've started to care less and less about pairings, I just don't want Naruina to be canon. It may seem like it now but it isn't canon. Not yet anyway. No pairing is canon except for 3
1. Minato and Kushina
2. Asuma and Kurenai
3. Tsunade and Dan
Like someone has already stated we need to link this chapter with chapter 573 to what Hinata promised to Naruto (When all the rookies were promising to support Naruto in everyway they can) Hinata said she'd stop chasing after Naruto after the war and she'd hold his hand and walk along side him. Which happened in this chapter. She's held his hand and she's ran next to him (Which is similar to walking with him just faster xD) So this might mean that all she needs to do now is to stop chasing after him whether she ends up with him or not.

NaruHina isn't canon. It won't be canon unless Naruto reveals he has feelings for Hinata, or Sakura heck even Sasuke.
I found that this chapter lacked a romantic atmosphere and the whole speech Hinata gave to Naruto wasn't talking about her feelings for him. This chapter gave not only NaruHina development but Hinata as a character too even if it was out of character.

NaruHina can easily be shattered by NaruSaku, but right now NaruHina does have the upper hand but it still isn't canon. Despite what everyone is saying. But NaruSaku still has a chance due to their development over the years. In this chapter we are given a panel of Sakura's reaction which could suggest something. Is it shock? Is it jealousy? Does it mean anything? We don't know yet, we'll just have to wait and see. The manga isn't over yet anything can happen.

Edited by AnaHatakechan, 30 December 2012 - 11:25 AM.

[MoonStar]

I doubt it.
Man, seriously the ammount of complaints in this chapter is high, if he made NH canon with this chapter he kills off the series.
I thought that NS was against everything but now the way i look, NH is against even the manga "logic".
Only the NH fans liked it, i dont see anyone in my friendship circle who didnt had dropped Naruto, i'm the only one is following the series.
I'm not going to get my hopes up but the next chapters will be determinant you're just qqing because the manga ended in a cliffhanger.

But seriously we knew that it would happen but the way hinata said was a bout a man and a girl walking together in the village romantically but it wasnt the way it happened, her character comes in a full circle.
Neji's death being the trigger for Hinata's development, and Naruto suddenly become an idiot is what triggered the complaints, it was OOC for Hinata to do that.

My reaction to that chapte was "Wtf did i just read?", everyone felt that way.

There's even a SS fans that was lurking in this forum yesterday, and he proved with his arguments that NS was the best pairing.

That's the thing. The fandom is made up if 70 - 75% of NH fans. Atleast from what I've seen. So if they like it, the general consensus will be that it was a good chapter. Even if we know it wasn't.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's the thing. The fandom is made up if 70 - 75% of NH fans. Atleast from what I've seen. So if they like it, the general consensus will be that it was a good chapter. Even if we know it wasn't.

Which world you live?
NH is inst even popular on Japan, which is the place where have most Naruto fanbase.

Russians like more NS, Just because US have more NH fans does not mean they are 70-75% ridiculous.
There was an unnoficial character popularity on (america and europe)
Hinata wasnt even on top 10.

On FFshrine Hyuuga Neji was on 7.

And you made a generalization like all the Naruto fans are shippers, i know a lot of them that is not.

Not just on a single place but even on Japan, Russian, Brazil, US and etc...
Just for a matter of comparison.
The biggest western NS fanbase is on Brazil, with a Heaven on Earth community with +30.000 members.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 December 2012 - 11:19 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I can't believe how many problems this chapter has caused. Not just on a pairing scale, but even the fan reactions to the chapter itself. I have been seeing a few arguments over this chapter and I feel like I am in a twilight zone where the NH fans especially are going back on their previous assessments and arguments an now using the same arguments NS used to provide proof that NH is canon.

- NS fans would point out parallels and the NH fans would say that parallels mean nothing. Now all of a sudden they mean everything if it is parallel from NaruHina to something else.

- NS fans claim that the hug scene was romantic while the NH fans say it was platonic. Now "holding hands" is something more romantic than a hug and use the same argument. "Well, in Japan, physical contact means a close emotional bond." (And are denying that Naruto is only holding her hand because he wants to. Nothing about holding her hand because of a transfer of power...which he did with Kakashi. The guy even argued with me in Slextrem's video that because it was Kurama in Naruto's body holding Kakashi hand "It doesn't count.") What if this was platonic? "Hand-holding is purely romantic."

- NH fans argued that the cheek caress was romantic. Didn't Sakura caress Naruto's cheek too to snap him out of it as well? Even though Hinata's wasn't really a caress so much as it was a slap as said by the word bubble.

- Bringing up Sakura's confession again....oiy.

Here is a new one

-A while ago NS fans argued that Naruto had plenty of chances to ask Hinata about the confession and didn't. NH fans argued that they were in the middle of the war and that's why they didn't have time. (Even though Naruto had a chance right after he came back from fighting Pein which was before the war and before he went to that island.) Now all of a sudden I get arguments "Oh they have plenty of time to have romance in the middle of the war."

Did I miss something? Since when did the NH fans all of a sudden reverse their entire logic?

Not just on a single place but even on Japan, Russian, Brazil, US and etc...
Just for a matter of comparison.
The biggest western NS fanbase is on Brazil, with a Heaven on Earth community with +30.000 members.

Am I reading this right? Thirty-thousand members? That's like an army.

I agree though, I highly doubt NH fans are 70-75% of the entire fanbase.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 30 December 2012 - 11:46 AM.

[六道仙人]

Those who are comparing NH to Minato/Kushina and especially Hashirama/Mito are just.... creepy.

Apart the comparison with MK (just Forced), the comparison with Hashirama/Mito is totally wrong simply because Mito has never been involved in the battle against Madara. She never helped his husband during that battle. This's pretty clear if you read original version.

And moreover, in chapter 568, we had kurama's flasback and that involved a few of Hashirama too where He, completely injured so it's was after the great battle with Madara with no doubts, said to Kyuubi that he can't let him stand around free anymore since his power is too great. And for this reason he will seal it into his wife.

In conclusion, Mito never helped Hashirama during that battle, she helped him after that. It's clear as the Sun here.

[4000TMNT]

Which world you live?
NH is inst even popular on Japan, which is the place where have most Naruto fanbase.

Russians like more NS, Just because US have more NH fans does not mean they are 70-75% ridiculous.
There was an unnoficial character popularity on (america and europe)
Hinata wasnt even on top 10.

On FFshrine Hyuuga Neji was on 7.

And you made a generalization like all the Naruto fans are shippers, i know a lot of them that is not.

Not just on a single place but even on Japan, Russian, Brazil, US and etc...
Just for a matter of comparison.
The biggest western NS fanbase is on Brazil, with a Heaven on Earth community with +30.000 members.

Not trying to saying your lying but where did you get this info from.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Not trying to saying your lying but where did you get this info from.

I'm not lying.
http://www.orkut.com...ity?cmm=4118275
http://www.facebook....1429242?fref=ts

NaruSaku has a large fanbase we are not a rare minority.
As a matter of detail Japaneses does not uses facebook too often they have their own Social Network which i dont remember of.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 December 2012 - 12:08 PM.

[potat0es]

Hey everyone, I'm new to the forums (as a registered member, at least), nice to meet everybody. This chapter was pretty crushing to me, so I kinda just wanted to get this out.

why oh why did I choose to get emotionally invested in Naruto's love life?

I wholeheartedly agree, reading Naruto would have been a lot less painful sometimes considering Kishimoto's constant misdirections every which way.

I honestly don't want to give in. I don't want to believe it. I'm choosing to stick with NS til the end not because I want to be right or anything, but I just don't want to believe that Naruto is that fickle of a guy. So much about Naruto not going back on his words and such, and so I really want to have faith that Naruto wouldn't just change his target now just because Hinata has "been there". Although I do have to give Hinata a bit of credit, she has raised my respect for her (by a lot) as both a character and a possible canon pairing. I can finally consider her as a rival to Sakura in that respect. And I do see the reason for everyone's panic to throw in the towel, but as an ardent NS fan, I'm going down with this ship if I have to. It still simply makes more sense to me. So just like Hinata said, the only real way of letting everyone down is if Naruto didn't stick true to his guns.

However, I am brutally honest with myself and so I know I may just be in denial and that I truly just don't want to believe or accept that NH may possibly be true, since this chapter was seriously heartcrushing with every action they had together. There's things I couldn't help but notice like the fact that it's her by his side at this crucial moment, waking him up from his stupor, and motivating him (and holding hands T-T and that he had grabbed her hand back) and not Sakura, and yet it induced reluctant respect and happiness for Hinata's character development. It was a good, but crippling chapter.

And by GOD I really hope there will at least be some Sakura development, she is like one of the only characters in the main crew that never got expanded on...and she's on Team 7 for crying out loud.

And everyone that is greatly disheartened by this chapter has reason to, I honestly feel you guys, so I am in no way badmouthing those that gave up, in fact, I understand, because in doing so, it kinda helps soften the blow for when the true verdict comes down, whichever way it may go. However, nothing has been truly set in stone since this chapter may be in the power-transfer-platonic sense for all we know. So keep your heads up high comrades!

Children, gather round! No retreat, no surrender; that is NS law. And by NS law we will stand and fight... and die. A new age has begun. An age of freedom, and all will know, that thousands of NS fans gave their last breath to defend it!

Well said. NS fan til the day I die. I really hope this site doesn't get too disheartened and die out, because I've been a long-time fan and lurker of this site, and it is always great and comforting to see everyone's passionate comments and thoughts in the discussions when I am trying to process controversial chapters.

With that said, good luck everyone. May logic be with Kishimoto.

[mone_]

@potat0es Welcome! It's great to see yet another optimistic NS fan! )) great post

[Don-kun]

So, the most recent comment on my 615 video made me laugh. I wanted to share it.

"ns fans fell for a plothole throwoff its used to distract viewers from the ultimate outcone but smarter ppl been saw past this..its simple common sense a girl u end up wit in reality wont b the 1st girl or boy u loved OBVIOUSLY most of the time.naruto confirms his feelings tht hibata was right by his side so his life was never just his but hinatas as well..theese two are lovers and they will face the juubi on the. frontlines Naruhina vs the juubii! i dnt blame u tho slex ur another of very few ppl who in super denial over analyzing wont help.. just like obito bn tobi it was a plot throwoff. naruhina is canon no way around naruto said HIMSELF that his and hinatas life are connected...hence the name of chapter "connected" u shuld b a nh fan slex i dont respect ANY ns fan cuz of they ignorence n stupidity but i respect u ur smart i cant c how u felll for tht fake ns stuff...honestly lml ..."

Apparently, I should be a NaruHina fan just because this guy doesn't respect NaruSaku shippers.

Then users ask why I said what I said about how mature some fandom behave compered to other fandom, plus when I called many of the NH fans a rude group they said that I was wrong, every fandom have their fantards but the comparison come when you see witch side will go to the other side to offend his users.

People mostly dislike Hinata because of the way its fandom behave by glorifying everything she does and insulting every other character and their fans.

Edited by Don-kun, 30 December 2012 - 01:06 PM.

[MoonStar]

Which world you live?
NH is inst even popular on Japan, which is the place where have most Naruto fanbase.

Russians like more NS, Just because US have more NH fans does not mean they are 70-75% ridiculous.
There was an unnoficial character popularity on (america and europe)
Hinata wasnt even on top 10.

On FFshrine Hyuuga Neji was on 7.

And you made a generalization like all the Naruto fans are shippers, i know a lot of them that is not.

Not just on a single place but even on Japan, Russian, Brazil, US and etc...
Just for a matter of comparison.
The biggest western NS fanbase is on Brazil, with a Heaven on Earth community with +30.000 members.

I know in Japan the most popular is apparently SS but Hinata has risen in popularity these past few years and I think it's safe to assume NH did also. And I don't know when this popularity poll took place because I guarantee if it were to take place this year Hinata would definitely be on the top 10 list. Also, regardless of being shippers or not, my observation has been that even non-shippers tend to side more with NH as Sakura is often the more disliked between the two females. Brazil might have a big NS fanbase but America is a huge NH fanbase. NH is bigger than NS outside of Japan. That's something I know for a fact.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I know in Japan the most popular is apparently SS but Hinata has risen in popularity these past few years and I think it's safe to assume NH did also. And I don't know when this popularity poll took place because I guarantee if it were to take place this year Hinata would definitely be on the top 10 list. Also, regardless of being shippers or not, my observation has been that even non-shippers tend to side more with NH as Sakura is often the more disliked between the two females. Brazil might have a big NS fanbase but America is a huge NH fanbase. NH is bigger than NS outside of Japan. That's something I know for a fact.

NS was the second, the pairing that most grow in the few years was NS which neither you or i can prove that.
Ns is big in Japan, but like i said NH is big on American on western countries but NS is not small compared to it, it has a large fanbase.

You're just making assumptions.

Pairing is not something that should be taken seriously.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 December 2012 - 01:43 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So, the most recent comment on my 615 video made me laugh. I wanted to share it.

"ns fans fell for a plothole throwoff its used to distract viewers from the ultimate outcone but smarter ppl been saw past this..its simple common sense a girl u end up wit in reality wont b the 1st girl or boy u loved OBVIOUSLY most of the time.naruto confirms his feelings tht hibata was right by his side so his life was never just his but hinatas as well..theese two are lovers and they will face the juubi on the. frontlines Naruhina vs the juubii! i dnt blame u tho slex ur another of very few ppl who in super denial over analyzing wont help.. just like obito bn tobi it was a plot throwoff. naruhina is canon no way around naruto said HIMSELF that his and hinatas life are connected...hence the name of chapter "connected" u shuld b a nh fan slex i dont respect ANY ns fan cuz of they ignorence n stupidity but i respect u ur smart i cant c how u felll for tht fake ns stuff...honestly lml ...[/b]"

Apparently, I should be a NaruHina fan just because this guy doesn't respect NaruSaku shippers.

Stopped reading there, if he was smart would leave us alone instead of ranting on NS pages and etc.

This three week of break is killing me off.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 December 2012 - 01:56 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

Stopped reading there, if he was smart would leave us alone instead of ranting on NS pages and etc.

This three week of break is killing me off.

Look on the bright side. If they are wrong then the payback will be freaking fantastic.

And if we're wrong then we just point out how their pairing was horribly rushed and forced. c: Though I doubt they will care. xD

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 30 December 2012 - 02:13 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Look on the bright side. If they are wrong then the payback will be freaking fantastic.

And if we're wrong then we just point out how their pairing was horribly rushed and forced. c: Though I doubt they will care. xD

Freaking fantastic, it will completely destroy NH just when they are screaming canon.

[Don-kun]

I don't think I want to get my hopes up again. I'm gonna read the next chapter, and the ones following, like I'm sure NH is canon. From what I've seen there is no way around NH right now that won't make Naruto and Kishi look like asses. They already do to the NS fans. Call me negative but that's the only way I'm gonna reduce the hurt. Anyway, I like how everyone just ignored the negatives of the recent chapter because of the NH implications. If that had been Sakura I wonder how many people would have dropped the manga then and there, and pointing out that the bad things that were written in.

Trust me after chapter 540 I would not be calling them canon unless Sakura did thought about her relationship with Sasuke and Naruto on panel.

450 was a big NS moment then we have Naruto stating that he will not make a move until the Sasuke problem is out of the way, but then Sakura cried for all the suffering she add to Naruto and vow she will never make another mistake, went up to him and told him that she loves him, at that moment I remember Sai's and Yamatos word so I thought the pairing drama will end but look on what happen later.

Moon after this development NH have a big chance, but keep in mind NS also did and Kishi proved to us that he will not resolve any one of the character feelings off panel.

I don't blame you for feeling the way you do, I feel that same way too, but the knowledge I have with this story and the past experience I went trough tells me that:

1- Is too early to make a pairing canon before resolving the other parties.
2- Kishi has done this to us in the past, plus he add a Sakura panel for the readers to remember that she is there and her feeling for the blond has been questioned by others. In other words Kishi could be telling the readers, what will Sakura do about this new revelation.

I could be wrong, but I need to be proven wrong mostly because Kishi is avoiding Naruto and Sakura from having a direct confrontation.
Now if Kishi really hates Sakura, it's 100% sure that the Manga will stay this way, but him haven her key chain while working tells us something else.

One more thing moon, if popularity did matter then this Manga would end for sure SasuNaru in a very disguised way, like Naruto and Sasuke looking on the sunset at the side of a river while smiling to each other with no romantic implication but no other character around or even have them sharing the same space with Sakura and Kakashi being happy that they could finally accept each other and that make them happy.

So no Popularity doesn't matter otherwise many story would end the way the majority of the fans wanted big examples: HP and twilight.

Edited by Don-kun, 30 December 2012 - 02:31 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Trust me after chapter 540 I would not be calling them canon unless Sakura did thought about her relationship with Sasuke and Naruto on panel.

450 was a big NS moment then we have Naruto stating that he will not make a move until the Sasuke problem is out of the way, but then Sakura cried for all the suffering she add to Naruto and vow she will never make another mistake, went up to him and told him that she loves him, at that moment I remember Sai's and Yamatos word so I thought the pairing drama will end but look on what happen later.

Moon after this development NH have a big chance, but keep in mind NS also did and Kishi proved to us that he will not resolve any one of the character feelings off panel.

I don't blame you for feeling the way you do, I feel that same way too, but the knowledge I have with this story and the past experience I went trough tells me that:

1- Is too early to make a pairing canon before resolving the other parting.
2- Kishi has done this to us in the past, plus he add a Sakura panel for the readers to remember that she is there and her feeling for the blond has been questioned by others. In other words Kishi could be telling the readers, what will Sakura do about this new revelation.

I could be wrong, but I need to be proven wrong mostly because Kishi is avoiding Naruto and Sakura from having a direct confrontation.
Now if Kishi really hates Sakura, it's 100% sure that the Manga will stay this way, but him haven her key chain while working tells us something else.

You're right there, he's doing on purpose for something, kagebushin clones, and that arrival.
There were only confrontations about Sakura to Sasuke and Hinata to Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I find it funny how in NF FC has gaining more new NS members. I am seriously shocked to see this update. The timing is not really the best yet this so-called defeat didn't stop people joining the FC. We are still gaining new members. I don't even know why, but not complaining, just happy.

Since we are waiting, anyone finds it interesting that Naruto separated friends and bonds he cherished? Like one meant Hinata and others, and the other means Sakura, rest of Team 7 and Iruka. I don't know if I'm looking too deep in this one, but hey, we got a long time before coming conclusion.

[HalfStarStudios]

Freaking fantastic, it will completely destroy NH just when they are screaming canon.

It will be amazing!!



Funny how when I first saw this chapter I gave up on NS becoming canon and threw in the towel. Now it's completely different. xD

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 30 December 2012 - 02:22 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

Anyways this is why I have a little hope.

This isn't the first time we've felt like this, has it? Remember Hinata's confession? Where everyone was saying that Naruto will be with Hinata since she confessed and risked her life for him when no one else did? Remember what happened next? Sakura hugged Naruto. Then came Road To Ninja where Kishi made it look like it was a major NaruHina and SasuSaku movie with advertising it as such. Remember how we all felt betrayed on thought that Kishi really supported NaruHina and SasuSaku? Remember what happened next? Movie came out and it was a NaruSaku movie.

Kishi has a habit of trolling us and the NH/SS fans. He gets our hopes down and gives NH/SS fans hope then BAM! NaruSaku goodness. I cannot tell the future but with this chapter, the same thing can happen. We get our hopes down and NH/SS fans celebrate and then BAM! we get NaruSaku. Only time will tell.

Or I could be wrong and we're all screwed. xD