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[redragon88]

Guys kishi only said one, dont get greedy. We all know its NS :)

 

[Dalton.T.R]

So what will happen is Sakura actually does manage to heal Naruto completely? Will they have some one-on-one time?

[T XD]

So what will happen is Sakura actually does manage to heal Naruto completely? Will they have some one-on-one time?

If she does, then that a good feat for her. Naruto will be happy for sure with a possible NS moment.

 

As for having a one-on-one time, possibly after the war.

Edited by T XD, 27 January 2014 - 08:20 PM.

[Inferno180]

All I know is there may be another 631 incident coming, rather it may become the new meltdown because its not likely but if sakura reveals something beyond just her concern in the coming chapters over naruto, if she reveals or says more of her own feelings about him since he is in this condition well, some people may react highly negative, I mean it wont nessessarily erase SS, but if sakura shows new feelings for Naruto, then SS and NH will not be happy, when this week break passes, well somethings when they come back may not be the most positive in reception despite the dramatic moments.

[KnS]

SK, anti-SK, SK, anti-SK.  *sigh*  As Grand Moff Tarkin said, "This bickering is pointless."  

 

Personally, I couldn't care less about Sasuke's relationship prospects.  If it weren't for Naruto's dedication to Sasuke's redemption and how it is tied into Naruto's success as a hero, I would be okay with Sasuke's death or really any event that permanently removed him from the story.  For me, Sasuke doesn't add anything positive or interesting anymore.  Maybe that will change.  I can hope.

 

Nevertheless, I don't think it's fair to accuse all SK shippers of hypocrisy.  Some who ship it might do so just to ensure SS can't happen, but certainly not all.  And I believe there are legitimate reasons to support Sasuke/Karin from both a character and plot standpoint.

 

Whether Kishimoto intends to do anything with SK remains to be seen.  The final panel of #662 suggests the possibility, but Karin has yet to show any intention of saving Sasuke.  So far she's just sitting on her butt, crying.  It seems that if Sasuke is going to get any help it will be from Orochimaru.

 

In terms of #662, Hinata seems finished to me -- although I admit I've said that before only to have Kishimoto contrive her relevance and put her in the middle of the action again.  But if the point was to show that Hinata is not the one to be at Naruto's side, which I believe was the message, maybe Kishimoto was doing the same with the final panel.

 

Meaning, by implying SK as well as NS, Kishimoto was simply hinting that Sakura would not be the one at Sasuke's side.  It doesn't mean Karin will be there, either.  It may have been more of an anti-SS hint than of a pro-SK hint.

 

Let's face it.  It looks as if Orochimaru is going to be the one who mobilizes the effort to save Sasuke's life, but the final panel of #662 would have looked pretty funny with Orochimaru in the top panel in place of Karin, yes?  

[Awes9]

 

Your reply says the same thing over and over again, so I'm just going to repeat what I said before as well. If I have no right to impose that SK sucks then you have no right to impose that SK doesn't suck and that I should shut up about it. This is the NaruSaku forum. SK doesn't and shouldn't have immunity here.

As a final observation: just because I think SK is scum and that anything is better than it, it doesn't mean I ship SS.
 

SS is the worst out of them all, on top of physical abuse (3 murder attempts one of them when Sasuke was still decent, Sasuke throwing Sakura's apples for no other reason than his own frustation which she had nothing to do at all) there is emotional abuse (Sasuke insulting Sakura, Sasuke ignoring Sakura and Sasuke degrading Sakura). SK is in no way shape or form worse than this thing called SS which is 99% negative. At least Sasuke apologized to  Karin that's nothing noteworthy but that's already much more than anything SS can ever hope to get that's how bad SS is. And let's be real If you remove the murder attempts SS would still be as terrible and still be an abusive relationship, while SK would simply be one sided love without all the emotional abuse SS have, SK doesn't even have half the negativity SS carries, the dynamic shares some similiraties but one is worse than the other.

SS has all the negative traits of all the other pairings put together without any of its redeeming traits, it's the lowest of the lowest.

 

Saying it's hypocrite to ship SK while not shipping SS is like saying it's hypocrite to ship SN and not SS, it makes no sense because the dynamics between the characters are different, and in that aspect SS is the worst.

 

I still think that anything involving Sasuke whether it is platonic or romantic is terrible but I am still not ready to put them on the same level.

[shisui]

Here you are saying that people who are anti-SS+pro-SK bothers you. It doesn't matter if you say 'ship what you like' when it is followed by but(as if you're going to say something contradicting that). And you did. "Ship what you like, but don't think SK is any better. Ship what you like, but don't expect me to be OK with it. As if that wasn't enough, you end it by giving people two choices - both or none. That is not for you to judge.

No, I really mean it. Ship what you want. Or are you going to the NH / SS fandom demanding them to drop it because you won't agree with them? I know I don't. People may like SK better for the most shallowest of reasons and nobody should care. It is that person's choice to do whatever they may please with their life.

However, if that person brings it to discussion publically, they cannot be upset when others don't agree with them. I agree that here, in the NaruSaku forum, people are entitled to be upset if people speak badly of NaruSaku. However, SasuKarin is not NaruSaku.
 

There is one more thing you said, which was that it's okay to say "SK sucks" if it's okay to say it doesn't. Don't you see that one of them is bashing and the other is not?

You care when people bash NH / SS? No, you only care because it's SK this time. However, SK should not have a better standing here than NH / SS. This is the NaruSaku forum.
 

psst: What you were saying about SK's immunity here is also wrong. You should read the rules. We've discussed this in the past, only then it was about NH/SS. It was decided that all pairings are welcome here, and SK is not an exception.

You discussed in this thread, but nobody ius required to know everything that was spoken about in the 700 pages of this thread. There is no such rule in the OP. If anything, there's the 'no bashing' rule, without specificating pairings but since we're all taking potshots at NH / SS, I don't see the reason why SK shouldn't be included. It's not better than them.
 

 x 1000

x 1001 then.

So you're always right then? You're not perfect. I'm not perfect. Others are not perfect. In other words, no one is perfect and that's trufax. If you deny, then I'm asking you why.

I don't see where I said I was perfect. What I said is that your spiteful post isn't going to accomplish anything.
 

You're the first one who brought up this mess so please go and talk about this to somewhere else. You're just making your other fellow NS fans feel offended with disrespectfulness of yours.

My first post here in this thread was expressing my relief at other people not standing SK as much as I did. I'm sorry, but I'm not the one who started anything. I don't recall quoting you either, I quoted someone else. You're the one picking up fights.
 

Of course this isn't NS-SK forum. It's NS alone, however, some of us here ships/supports SK, KH, SH, NH, SS, etc. and would like to bring up these in a discussion that others disagree.

Yes, you like SK and I don't like SK. We have both the right to say what we think about it, even if you got something positive to say and I've got something negative to say. This is the NaruSaku forum.
 

To solve this problem, I've suggested the mods to create a subforum for other Naruto pairings, except antis. They even approved.
 
Look here.

That's cool, but this isn't that that subforum, and it wasn't me who brought the conversation to SK in this thread in the first place.
 

Saying it's hypocrite to ship SK while not shipping SS is like saying it's hypocrite to ship SN and not SS, it makes no sense because the dynamics between the characters are different, and in that aspect SS is the worst.

I don't really care about your arguments for why SS sucks. I could counter every and each one of them and say SS > SK, but that's really isn't my point here so I'm just going to ignore it unless this is important for your something. This is after all, the NaruSaku debate thread. However, I have no issues whatsoever tearing SasuSakin apart, if that's what you prefer.

I'm not saying it's an hypocrisy to ship one and not ship the other. I'm saying it's an hypocrisy to wave off the murder attempts for SN and then use the murder attempts to bash SS. If people are so ready on forgiving Sasuke for what he did to Naruto, then they have no reason whatsoever to deny forgiving Sasuke for what he did to Sakura. Same for SK for that matter, even if I loath it way even more. Someone can't hold the murder attempts against SK if they don't for SN or SS.

There is a difference between shipping preference and judging them under a fair light. I hope you understand what I'm saying here.
 

I still think that anything involving Sasuke whether it is platonic or romantic is terrible but I am still not ready to put them on the same level.

Oh, I am. People cut Sasuke way to much slack, for all the wrong reasons. He tried to murder Naruto for power while laughing in his face. I don't forget that.

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 27 January 2014 - 09:25 PM.

[luffyq1]

All I know is there may be another 631 incident coming, rather it may become the new meltdown because its not likely but if sakura reveals something beyond just her concern in the coming chapters over naruto, if she reveals or says more of her own feelings about him since he is in this condition well, some people may react highly negative, I mean it wont nessessarily erase SS, but if sakura shows new feelings for Naruto, then SS and NH will not be happy, when this week break passes, well somethings when they come back may not be the most positive in reception despite the dramatic moments.

Would you consider this being new feelings if she said something along the lines of "I can't lose you, Naruto"?

[Awes9]

I don't really care about your arguments for why SS sucks. I could counter every and each one of them and say SS > SK, but that's really isn't my point here so I'm just going to ignore it unless this is important for your something. This is after all, the NaruSaku debate thread. However, I have no issues whatsoever tearing SasuSakin apart, if that's what you prefer.

I'm not saying it's an hypocrisy to ship one and not ship the other. I'm saying it's an hypocrisy to wave off the murder attempts for SN and then use the murder attempts to bash SS. If people are so ready on forgiving Sasuke for what he did to Naruto, then they have no reason whatsoever to deny forgiving Sasuke for what he did to Sakura. Same for SK for that matter, even if I loath it way even more. Someone can't hold the murder attempts against SK if they don't for SN or SS.

There is a difference between shipping preference and judging them under a fair light. I hope you understand what I'm saying here.

Oh please be my guest explain to me how SS is better than SK.

 

SS doesn't need the murder attempts to be bashed it was already emotionally abusive even before the murder attempts, the murder attempts are just the cherry on the cake.

 

"There is a difference between shipping preference and judging them under a fair light. I hope you understand what I'm saying here."

 

Exactly and under a fair light SS is the worst out of them all and it's exactly why Kishi keeps on showing it under a negative light, can't say the same for the other 2. Let's be clear they are all bad but authorial intent seem to make it clear one is worse than the other.

Edited by Awes9, 27 January 2014 - 09:35 PM.

[shisui]

Oh please be my guest explain to me how SS is better than SK.

This is the NaruSaku debate thread. However, I'll give you one reason, not going into it too much. SK is consistently a joke while SS has always been part of the main romantic triangle. I also gave more down this post.
 

SS doesn't need the murder attempts to be bashed it was already emotionally abusive even before the murder attempts, the murder attempts are just the cherry on the cake.

I don't see how SK is any better, when it has gems such as "Karin, you're useless to me if you can get caught." and "Sakura, you'll make a perfect replacement for Karin." I don't even know why people give a kitten about the apples plate thing, when he attempted to murder Naruto in two chapters over, and everyone conveniently forgets that.
 

Exactly and under a fair light SS is the worst out of them all and it's exactly why Kishi keeps on showing it under a negative light, can't say the same for the other 2. Let's be clear they are all bad but authorial intent seem to make it clear one is worse than the other.

SasuKarin has been shown under a much worse light.

On one hand, Karin's affections for Sasuke are always either disturbing (even if played for laughs) or rejected while Sakura's affections for Sasuke have been shown as sincere and he was thankful for them.

On the other hand, Sasuke admitted Sakura was one of his precious people once while Sasuke admitted Karin was a precious tool at the very most (and he retracted this statement out loud just as he stabbed her and laughed in her face). He saw Sakura as an individual once while he only saw Karin as a means to an end.

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 27 January 2014 - 10:02 PM.

[Dalton.T.R]

Just a comment that has nothing to do with anything passing along...

[luffyq1]

Just a comment that has nothing to do with anything passing along...

You truckers are all the same, just passing by.

[Dalton.T.R]

You truckers are all the same, just passing by.

lol

 

EDIT: Okay, quick and honest question here. What do some of you guys expect Sakura to do once she hears about Sasuke? If she hears about it while she's looking after Naruto, I personally don't think she'll think most of it. But what about other wise? Would she go looking for him? I'd like to think she wouldn't, but this is Kishi's writing after all...

Edited by Dalton (I stink at names), 27 January 2014 - 10:48 PM.

[Awes9]

This is the NaruSaku debate thread. However, I'll give you one reason, not going into it too much. SK is consistently a joke while SS has always been part of the main romantic triangle. I also gave more down this post.
 

I don't see how SK is any better, when it has gems such as "Karin, you're useless to me if you can get caught." and "Sakura, you'll make a perfect replacement for Karin." I don't even know why people give a kitten about the apples plate thing, when he attempted to murder Naruto in two chapters over, and everyone conveniently forgets that.
 

SasuKarin has been shown under a much worse light.

On one hand, Karin's affections for Sasuke are always either disturbing (even if played for laughs) or rejected while Sakura's affections for Sasuke have been shown as sincere and he was thankful for them.

On the other hand, Sasuke admitted Sakura was one of his precious people once while Sasuke admitted Karin was a precious tool at the very most (and he retracted this statement out loud just as he stabbed her and laughed in her face). He saw Sakura as an individual once while he only saw Karin as a means to an end.

How does that it make better ? it makes no sense, a pairing is judged on its interactions not on what role it plays in the romantic subplot.

 

With Karin it only happened one time all the other times he was decent with her while with Sakura he constantly treated her like crap, and it all happened at the same time (the murder attempts plus the insults), with SS the murder attempts and the emotional abuse can be separated. ( look below for few examples).

He had a reason to try to kill Naruto to gain the MS, he had no reason to treat Sakura like that and even then how can one thing excuse the other ? It doesn't make any sense so just because he tried to kill Naruto it's ok for him to treat Sakura like dirt. And please stop generalizing it makes you look like you have no arguments I already make my point clear about NaruSasu on this forum many times about how creepy stupid and forced it is, I didn 't "conveniently" forget about that that's just not the matter.

 

Sakura's affections has been shown as sincere ? most of part 1 was her fangirling about him and the only times it was serious was when she was crying or depressed about him because he either insulted or degraded her, here are some gems : "you're annoying" (can't count the number of times he told her that), "you're worse than Naruto", "mind your own business" (when all she wanted was to help him) and these are just from the top of my head. Even the author said that her feelings for him were selfish.

Can't disagree about the Karin part, her feelings for him are disturbing but that doesn't make Sakura's feelings anymore logical or any less disturbing especially when Sasuke has tried to kill her multiple times and told her that he would destroy and kill everything she wants to protect and holds dear, she still couldn't kill him even after he told her all of that because of TRUE LUB. Let's be serious.

 

One moment of decency will erase all the rest, and why do you ignore the fact that Sasuke tried to save Karin and it reminded him of team 7 ? he developped a bond with team Taka but again he was ready to throw away this bond for his revenge like he did in part 1. He saw Sakura as a precious person in team 7, his toughts about her are never about her alone it's always in team 7 context and what good will it do if he saw her at one point as one of his precious people since it's quite clear he could care less right now ? First thing he did when he saw after 3 years is try to kill her (Yamato's words  not mine) and he wasn't even at his lowest point. And more recently when he was ready to evacuate the battlefield with only Juugo and Naruto and let Sakura burn. Sakura in team 7 was his weakest bond, and if you replaced Sakura with fangirl 14689 in the team it would be the same, it's only his bond with Naruto that was unique to him. There's nothing special about Sasuke's feelings for Sakura and she was the easiest person to leave behind that's why today he has no remorse and is totally indifferent to her while he always reacts to Naruto.

 

All I see is double standards and selective reading.

[Inferno180]

I don't understand why people here couldn't just respect each other's opinions, ns, sk, nh, SS, even gai x raikage as scary as that would be, I just cannot believe an entire portion of these pages was made of a debate over views in sk to seemingly fighting, as I said, I'm neutral to sk, I don't mind it or what it does it just I see what I missed and this happens, well guess an anxious wait for the next chapter is going to cause something to focus on, otherwise guys just respect what others ship, I mean karin isn't my favorite either but she has moments of funny and moments of great drama but I don't dislike her she has her good points.

[Kster95]

I don't understand why people here couldn't just respect each other's opinions, ns, sk, nh, SS, even gai x raikage as scary as that would be, I just cannot believe an entire portion of these pages was made of a debate over views in sk to seemingly fighting, as I said, I'm neutral to sk, I don't mind it or what it does it just I see what I missed and this happens, well guess an anxious wait for the next chapter is going to cause something to focus on, otherwise guys just respect what others ship, I mean karin isn't my favorite either but she has moments of funny and moments of great drama but I don't dislike her she has her good points.

 

Hm, this is the internet nothing is respected ;) 

[KnS]

I don't understand why people here couldn't just respect each other's opinions

 

Agreed.  Things are going pretty well for NS, and yet there still has to be some kind of petty argument.  Why do snipers always have to show up to spoil the picnic?

 

As I've said, it's difficult enough for me to comprehend anyone caring about Sasuke at all, much less who may or may not be paired with him.

 

Oh well.  I hope the mods are taking their vitamins.      As we move through the last of this story, things may get very rocky. 

[Inferno180]

I'm not concerned for ns, rather I'm concerned with narutos comeback I mean Sasuke can be revived if quick enough as he has suffered a physical wound but it's still in the realm of addressable by medical ninjutsu, if anything sasukes case of being stabbed in the heart isn't as bad as narutos losing kurama, Sasuke at least has Karin (who is at max chakra and capable of using her healing by bite to use some if that big uzumaki life force) Sasuke also has orochimaru to help as well.

Naruto though, with kurama removed and sakura running low, this is the big thing I'm wondering about, I mean for each prediction I read, while they are viable there is just something that already exists. Naruto gets dark kurama wouldn't Madara just do the same thing again? Naruto gets the fruit, wouldn't this create an imbalance in the final fight between him and Sasuke even if Sasuke got the rinnegan? Maybe the fruit can be split between them? Naruto and Sasuke fade to the in between death and life zone and meet those who died like jiraya and itachi and the sage but what will exactly revive them? They just cannot sponaneously get better from some power lingering in the afterlife.

Really this is what i am wondering right now.

[Derock]

 

Oh well.  I hope the mods are taking their vitamins.      As we move through the last of this story, things may get very rocky. 

 

Oh, don't worry. We have the pitch forks and mod hammers ready for any upcoming craziness.

[shisui]

Is me posting anti SK allowed or not, mod? Nobody with authority has told me to stop.
 

How does that it make better ? it makes no sense, a pairing is judged on its interactions not on what role it plays in the romantic subplot.

I was speaking from a storywise standpoint, clearly. If we're speaking of interactions then SK has no chance, because last time Sasuke interacted with Karin, he was clearly freaked out by her romantic advances.
 

With Karin it only happened one time all the other times he was decent with her while with Sakura he constantly treated her like crap, and it all happened at the same time (the murder attempts plus the insults), with SS the murder attempts and the emotional abuse can be separated. ( look below for few examples).

Sasuke is not the a**hole you portray him to be. Of course he treated Karin well as he has treated Sakura well in part 1, as he has treated Kakashi or Naruto or Suigetsu or Jugo. You make him sound like a fiend, but he was once an okay kid.
 

He had a reason to try to kill Naruto to gain the MS, he had no reason to treat Sakura like that and even then how can one thing excuse the other ?

Sasuke's excuse to kill Naruto is to use him as a means to an end. Sasuke's excuse to kill Sakura is because she was there to kill him as well. Sasuke's excuse to kill Karin is... oh, an unnecessary cheapshot.
 

I already make my point clear about NaruSasu on this forum many times about how creepy stupid and forced it is.

We agree on something then.
 

Sakura's affections has been shown as sincere ?

Whether your opinion on the matter, Sakura's feelings being sincere was what Kishimoto said in his interviews.
 

most of part 1 was her fangirling about him and the only times it was serious was when she was crying or depressed about him because he either insulted or degraded her, here are some gems : "you're annoying" (can't count the number of times he told her that), "you're worse than Naruto", "mind your own business" (when all she wanted was to help him) and these are just from the top of my head. Even the author said that her feelings for him were selfish.

Insulting and degrading is taking it too far. Sasuke has never done either of those things.

Sasuke calling Sakura annoying or saying she's weaker than Naruto is the truth. She was a spoiled brat who need to step it up, which is the whole point of her character development. Good for him to call her out and to have a hand on it. How is this bad when it helped her improve?

Sasuke told her to not meddle into his business? What is the problem? Do you think Naruto was wrong to tell Sakura not to meddle into the rivalry between Sasuke and him after the Hospital scuffle?
 

Can't disagree about the Karin part, her feelings for him are disturbing but that doesn't make Sakura's feelings anymore logical or any less disturbing especially when Sasuke has tried to kill her multiple times and told her that he would destroy and kill everything she wants to protect and holds dear, she still couldn't kill him even after he told her all of that because of TRUE LUB. Let's be serious.

I don't see any difference between Sakura and Karin on this matter. I give the edge to SS because Sasuke came to accept Sakura as an individual while Sasuke has only regarded Karin as a tool, plus Sakura's feelings were sincere and she hasn't fawned over him since part 2 began while Karin is doing it even after he tried to murder her.

Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke because of TRUE LUB, but so what of it? How is not being able to kill someone evil any worse than wanting to lick someone evil all over?
 

One moment of decency will erase all the rest

If that's the case, then Sasuke helping Sakura in chapter 632 erases all his wrong doings. Oh.
 

why do you ignore the fact that Sasuke tried to save Karin and it reminded him of team 7 ?

I don't ignore it. However, I remember Sasuke was ready to sacrifice his life for Sakura once because she was important to him, while he saved Karin once while never stating his reasons why (not even to himself). Like I said, canon admitted Sakura was important to Sasuke once, it has not admitted Karin was important to Sasuke besides being an aid for revenge.
 

he developped a bond with team Taka

The bond Sasuke has with Taka is / was very flimsy.
 

He saw Sakura as a precious person in team 7, his toughts about her are never about her alone it's always in team 7 context and what good will it do if he saw her at one point as one of his precious people since it's quite clear he could care less right now ?

Sasuke thinking of Sakura with team 7, so what of it? He hasn't thought of Naruto alone either and he thought of Kakashi when he was doing his CS jutsu. How is this relevant to gauge his bond with them?

By the way, because I can and this is what I really want to bring home: Sasuke has never thought of Karin alone either. He only thought of her once because Kabuto mentioned her and he remembered the rest of Team Taka too!

If this is a case of thinking of people at all, then Karin loses by default aaha.
 

First thing he did when he saw after 3 years is try to kill her (Yamato's words  not mine) and he wasn't even at his lowest point.

Yamato's words are that Sasuke is dangerous, not that he's going to kill her. In fact, Sasuke's move is one to disable (and contrarily to what you said, what I said are Yamato's words).
http://www.mangapand...hapter-308.html
http://www.mangapand...hapter-308.html
 

And more recently when he was ready to evacuate the battlefield with only Juugo and Naruto and let Sakura burn.

Sasuke was going to leave Karin to roast as well. What is your point.
 

Sakura in team 7 was his weakest bond, and if you replaced Sakura with fangirl 14689 in the team it would be the same, it's only his bond with Naruto that was unique to him. There's nothing special about Sasuke's feelings for Sakura and she was the easiest person to leave behind that's why today he has no remorse and is totally indifferent to her while he always reacts to Naruto.

It's really irrelevant if Sasuke's bond with Sakura is the weakest or the strongest. My point is that the bond Sasuke has with Karin is way worse.
 

All I see is double standards and selective reading.

Oh, you re-read your post then? Srly, is this pettiness necessary?

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 28 January 2014 - 12:49 AM.