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[Awes9]

Truth be told everything involving Sasuke is disgusting imo. The worst for me is Itachi and Sasuke by far, followed by SS and SK and NaruSasu the most tolerable out of them all, but in the end I see it as choosing between kitten and vomit not really much of a choice, they all share the same negative traits. I just don't find anything endearing in any of these relationships no matter how much Kishi tries to shove it down my throat with petty posters and destiny or other crap.

The thing is if we're strictly talking about canon SasuKarin has a greater chance than SS but I would rather take NaruHina than SK to be honest.

[luffyq1]

Truth be told everything involving Sasuke is disgusting imo. The worst for me is Itachi and Sasuke by far, followed by SS and SK and NaruSasu the most tolerable out of them all, but in the end I see it as choosing between kitten and vomit not really much of a choice, they all share the same negative traits. I just don't find anything endearing in any of these relationships no matter how much Kishi tries to shove it down my throat with petty posters and destiny or other crap.

The thing is if we're strictly talking about canon SasuKarin has a greater chance than SS but I would rather take NaruHina than SK to be honest.

I'd rather take NaruRamen over NH, SS & SK. They're just so terribly written that it's a joke.

Edited by luffyq1, 27 January 2014 - 02:53 AM.

[Awes9]

I'd rather take NaruRamen over NH, SS & SK. They're just so terribly written that it's a joke.

Can't disagree there, NarutoXrandom girl or SasukeXrandom girl makes more sense than any of the above, still I would take NH over the other (NaruSasu included)  because it can't compare to the negativity the others carry, they are abusive relationship no matter how much Kishi tries to sugarcoat it.

[咲耶姫]

 I don't know about that.

 

 

You can say that for SS fans too, eh.

 

 

If we're going by context, I actually find the murder attempt on Karin much more worse. She was literally his teammate and was there to support him unlike Sakura who was trying to KILL him, but Sasuke doesn't think twice about killing her, and he ACTUALLY managed to get a hit on her unlike on Sakura, then he just left her to die on the ground.

 

Yeah sure, Sasuke thought twice before trying to kill Sakura. Just to say, if Kakashi and Naruto hadn’t come, Sakura would be dead right now. And by Sasuke’s hand.

 

Don’t even try to make SS better than SK because if you want to play with the murder attempt, let me tell you this : Sasuke tried to kill Sakura 3 times, and one of them was before he was insane, he was completely normal when he tried to kill her at Orochimaru’s repair, that was their first meeting in Part 2. And the 2 others were just after he stabbed Karin, the first time, she would be dead without Kakashi and the second, she would be dead without Naruto. He never hesitated, if you think so it’s only your imagination, nothing proves that in the manga.

 

And about Karin, if you had read this passage properly, you would have noticed just by looking at his face close-up, that he was really insane, he wasn’t himself anymore, and that’s what Kishi was trying to portray in my opinion by doing a close-up on Sasuke’s insane face while killing his teammate. 

[Inferno180]

Well there is one thing I want to say.

Anyone here remember how I used to say sakura cannot just fall in love with naruto, it would take some event to push her towards those feelings?

Well I commonly said it would take 3 or 4 events,

1. The shifter, some event that brings that gradual shift, I thought 635 would do this but it's only a hint of sasukes other motives many called on.

2. The after war reception, basically like the pain scene what happens here is the big victory after the final battle of the war, this should come due to the many other events that need addressing such as what will the villages do with Sasuke considering his past actions and then actions to help regardless of narutos input?

3. Before the final battle, how would sakura react to naruto and Sasuke before the final fight?

4. After the final fight, after naruto and Sasuke had their final battle, this is the scene I said most likely puts ns canon. Although it could still go canon in 3, both concern before the final fight and reception after the final fight will occur.

Well after many months, I think we may be finally entering this sequence. Sakura concerned about naruto, about to cry for him so close to death. This could be a very powerful ns moment coming up, sakura fearing naruto possibly dying, something to make her cry more than what Chiyo told them, seeing the 4 tails, and what sai revealed to her. Though the focus is mainly naruto making a comeback, on Sakura's part it can be a big one for her, it's not granted to happen but if a small section of next chapter focuses on sakura having thoughts racing in this event leaving gaaras instructions for the following chapter, it's possible we could see something about sakura regarding naruto we haven't before.

I know nh and SS fans will try to downplay the scenes of the current chapter and deny the possibilities that sakura could have a big moment next chapter. Ns won't be canon next chapter, that's a given, it's still got a few other things to tackle but this can be the start of the final phase needed for it to go canon. This coming moment can essentially be stronger than the 4 tails aftermath chapter, 450, 457, 630, and 631 (mainly for the foreshadowing element but still small development. Mainly 450 is still the big ns scene in terms of mutuality while 457 and the 4 tails aftermath are the most dramatic, 457 by far, but now 663 or later could be the most dramatic considering the situation.

It's just in scenes of near death, it's common many worry about what happened to the hero. It's nothing new.

All I'm saying for nh and SS fans is that they should just be prepared for a dramatic sakura moment towards naruto despite liking, tolerating, or outright hating her. This could just be another moment in sequence. It's just more development and if it's more ns, well it's just kishis choice or plan. I mean if anything is bad from what i have heard, some say despite this, nh will still happen and sakura will brush off her concern and still run back to sasuke.

[rocci]

I wouldn't agree on my behalf but I know what you mean. In fact, have it done differently like a usual Shounen, I wouldn't support NS today.

You mean the two girl one boy love triangle with the girls love the boy while the boy clueless about love.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You mean the two girl one boy love triangle with the girls love the boy while the boy clueless about love.

More than that but that's part of it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sheesh, I missed all this? I guess it's anti-anyone who isn't Daniel Bryan and anti-SK day. Hm...

[Chatte]

Sheesh, I missed all this? I guess it's anti-anyone who isn't Daniel Bryan and anti-SK day. Hm...

I guess it's hate SK day fiesta or dunno.

Anyway, I guess to each their own. Meh...

[sushi.]

Inferno, I don't think something needs to push Sakura's feelings, I just believe something will trigger the realization. And she doesn't necessarily need it, but it will speed up the process. I think there's a difference between that, ehe.

 

I also agree that a NS moment soon is to be expected, and it will complete many foreshadowings. If NS happens, it means we were right all along, I mean we've been saying this for years. Not that she "suddenly" switched from Sasuke to Naruto.  

 

咲耶姫: Not to mention, Sasuke tried to kill Sakura three times and didn't even blink, he tried to kill Karin once and gave an apology which was proven to be sincere.

[FireFox]

I guess it's hate SK day fiesta or dunno.

Anyway, I guess to each their own. Meh...

The thing is that people think that SK is exactly like SS except their is nothing that connects them but the murder attempts , their dynamics as couple and as individuals is totally different , people often forgets the context and circumstances of that scene. I may not like it or support a dark couple like SK but they are there and present in this manga and should be acknowledged as such whether somebody likes it or not ,  also with SS is totally different case they don't have even half of the things that SK has that would make them to be considered as couple in the manga , and except for the killing attempt their is nothing negative in the SK relationship  but it is what it is.     

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 January 2014 - 12:35 PM.

[T XD]

My thoughts on SK is that it's not a pairing that doesn't have a chance. It's a pairing that has the both chance of happening and not happening.

 

First, there's the thing that Sasuke doesn't have to be paired, and the clan can never anymore exist. Simple as that. Sasuke's kind of main character, the cool/ mysterious/ calm second main male character, doesn't need to be paired. It's only a matter of option from the author, and if he does get paired, it will be with a side character... There's no second main female character to include it. Of course, what I'm claiming doesn't come from my own liking of thought. There are a lot of other manga who have this for the likes of Sasuke's kind of character.

 

It's not real life scenarios.The murder attempt by Sasuke to Karin isn't good, but that doesn't stop SK from happening. It's not the same as SS cause there's the fact that there are development, moments, facts of NS from the beginning. There's the fact that it's obvious from the manga that Sasuke wouldn't be viewing Sakura more than a teammate or a friend at max. In the manga, SK > SS.

 

Second, SK isn't like SS. Kishi made Sakura being down almost whenever she interacts with Sasuke, and having negative outcomes coming from them cause we all know why.

Karin had the same interaction with Sasuke, but the result wasn't the same except for one murdering attempt. She doesn't take crap from Sasuke, Sasuke unlocking a new level to his eyes when they were fighting Bee for Karin, Sasuke giving a sincere kind of apology which is a big feat from Sasuke and, now, what 662 showed us. This never happened with Sakura, at least an apology which maybe could be at the end.

 

At the same time, there are the downward parts of SK that needs to be fixed if it will happen:

 

1- Sasuke has to, at least once, show an important positive emotion or a feeling or something that make us say " They very well can be " towards Karin. The positive outcomes of before aren't enough from what I think.

 

2- The murder attempt is something that can easily play for SK not happening. That's the big dilemma. But, again, Kishi can either cover it or just let it be if he does want SK.

 

3- Karin needs to stop her fangirl part of character. The more she fangirl, the more SK is in a negative light.

 

4- 662 good side for SK is the last page. Kishi making the last page fully that way isn't for any reason. It's a push for SK. But, he didn't elaborate more in 662 other than that.

 

SK can happen or not happen. If Kishi does elaborate more on them at some point with some of the negative sides of the pairing being covered, then I would think that SK's chance of happening increased more.

Edited by T XD, 27 January 2014 - 01:06 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

3- Karin needs to stop her fangirl part of character. The more she fangirl, the more SK is in a negative light.

 

She hasn't really fangirled it's more of her dere dere side of her tsundere character.

[T XD]

 

She hasn't really fangirled it's more of her dere dere side of her tsundere character.

Tsunderes don't fangirl. It's not a trait in them. It's the author choosing to fangirl over the one she likes at first, and they usually are like Sasuke's character.

Edited by T XD, 27 January 2014 - 01:54 PM.

[sushi.]

Tsunderes don't fangirl. It's not a trait in them. It's the author choosing to fangirl over the one she likes at first, and they usually are like Sasuke's character.

The anime made her a fangirl. Some translations made her a fangirl. But I do not read canon! Karin as one. Can you give me some..examples? Many of them are misunderstandings, like fillers and mistranslations. :/

 

Fangirl in this case is someone who is overly attached to a boy, and lets her passion dominate her true judgement of him.

[T XD]

The anime made her a fangirl. Some translations made her a fangirl. But I do not read canon! Karin as one. Can you give me some..examples? Many of them are misunderstandings, like fillers and mistranslations. :/

 

Fangirl in this case is someone who is overly attached to a boy, and lets her passion dominate her true judgement of him.

You mean give you examples of Tsundere characters who didn't fangirl, right ?

 

The ones that are on the top of my mind right now:

 

- Shana from Shakugan no Shana.

 

- Louise from The Familiar of Zero.

 

- Rukia from Bleach.

 

- Kirihime from Dogs & Scissors.

[sushi.]

You mean give you examples of Tsundere characters who didn't fangirl, right ?

 

The ones that are on the top of my mind right now:

 

- Shana from Shakugan no Shana.

 

- Louise from The Familiar of Zero.

 

- Rukia from Bleach.

 

- Kirihime from Dogs & Scissors.

No, I meant examples of what makes Karin a fangirl.

[Inferno180]

Well the manga and anime differences with characters can be good and bad at times, I mean good examples are when they generally bring a bit more to practically any uncommonly used characters like Shino, TenTen, Hinata, etc. I mean it gives the anime team the freedom to flesh them out a bit more, but its bad when they seemingly need to dumb naruto down for comedy and combine Sakuras reoccuring hit him for something stupid act and the worst case, yes what they did with Hinata in shippuden ep 166, you spend so much high quality animation, put in some big music, and a lot of focus into it, yet its non-canon and doesnt even matter in the end and the worst case was we got a generic tom and jerry fight between 6 tailed naruto and pain. This was the worst case I mean seriously this was the kind of stuff you see in other series when a character is going out with a bang type situation, like those situaitons where one character had their own issues but goes down with effort either taking down as much as they can or leaving their mark on the villian. Not in this situation though, they made the whole episode seem more as if it would have been appropriate to kill off hinata, really the manga made it simple and she wasn't killed off but they didnt put a huge emphasis on it, now with this episode, it did and sadly well this is where we get such a huge divide, there are people who precieve Hinata "deserives naruto" because of this action.

 

Really it could be one part kishis fault for not using hinata as much but another its perriots fault for taking 2 traits from naruto and sakura and reducing them to comedic purposes while favoring Hinata too much in their animation. Sadly we know the impact this has had on the fans, even to the point in the current events in the manga with Sakura about to cry over Naruto, they still just follow the anime saying she is just an uncaring girl who hits him. The worst thing of all, why did these fans make or continue to make such a big deal with just Sakura? I don't see the flak on Ino's side for being similar early on with team 10, I don't see anyone doing this to tsunade who whacked naruto hard a few times, I know karin has gotten some flak over sasuke, but she hits sugetsu for comedic reasons. Seriously its even worse when adding ot the fact, this happens in many other animes, hell I remember how Misty always whacked Brock in Pokemon for flirting with girls or somehow got a giant hammer at times, I remember how Rukia pummeled Ichigo a few times. What about Nami in One Piece, she has a huge range of people she has pummeled, she has clobbered Luffy, Zoro(uncommonly), Ussop, Sanji, Brook, andI'm not sure if she ever nailed frankie but seriously, Nami has 5 guys to pummel, the only one she never hit was chopper cause well chopper behaives himself but I guess this should mean NamiXChopper should happen right? Cause she never hits him. Or maybe it should lead to NamiXRobin because she never qurrels with Robin even though Robin too has nailed a few members. Seriously Nami has hit more of her main crew than Sakura ever did in the manga and animes of both these series combined and no one gives a s*** about this stuff? Yeah its alright in series like Bleach, One Peace, Dragonball Z (worst case when NH fans try using this as justification for NH to happen with Goku and ChiChi despite what ChiChi herself did to goku), Love Hina, etc. No apparently Naruto is a special case where the fan approved laws of girls whacking guys doesnt apply to simply comedy, instead in the naruto universe this law is reversed and instead of comedy its abuse, apparently they treat the idea of sakura whacking naruto isnt comedy, its abuse that she should be punished and pay for, she apparently needs to learn a lesson for hiting naruto who apparently belongs to Hinata.

 

Really if these arguements are still going around, I'm at a loss for words, people still saying Sakura cares nothing for Naruto despite the current situation? Unreal. Part of me wants to say, this is a joke, it seriously has to be a joke, but I am shocked people still think this way.

[T XD]

No, I meant examples of what makes Karin a fangirl.

Oh, sorry XD

 

When she gets all peppy and glues to him like after he apologized to her, and when she gets all excited to have him all by herself or something like that, from the way she acts, like after a bit when Taka arrived to the battlefield. Forgot what chapter.

 

It's not her words. It's the behavior. Though, I don't mind that. Fangirling from her for comic relief.

Edited by T XD, 27 January 2014 - 01:45 PM.

[shisui]

Yeah sure, Sasuke thought twice before trying to kill Sakura. Just to say, if Kakashi and Naruto hadnt come, Sakura would be dead right now. And by Sasukes hand.

If it wasn't for Sakura, Karin would be dead by Sasuke's hand as well. This happened twice by the way. You have no moral ground to stand on.
 

Dont even try to make SS better than SK

He doesn't need to try. SS > SK, point blank. Sasuke tried to kill Sakura because she was trying to kill him. Sasuke tried to kill Karin when she was his ally. SK is everything that SS is or would like to be, but even worse if that's possible.

Ship what you like, but preferences aren't an excuse to say which one is "better". It rustles my jimmies that people so against SS can tolerate SK. Either the both of them or none.

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 27 January 2014 - 02:12 PM.