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#13581 HauntedCake

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 26 2013, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I know that volume 64 is the worst of all volumes. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

However it was highly predictable. The good thing that it was been the last thing about hyuugas development.

PS: It's funny how Nejii, who has died in this chapter, is put on the babkcground and has drawn little kruemelmonsteryn0.gif All glory to NH and their ridicolous shake hands in order to delivery chakra.


Yeah Neji's death is just completely ignored because of NH hand holding scene. It's quite insulting to Neji. Just proves they are NH fanboys. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

REALLY??? they've asked how many children they will have??? muhahahah how retarded.....

They are jumping the gun so early and before the Team 7 final arc. It's just gonna backfire and sting them more when NS is canon. Oh look shes pep talked him held his hand and slapped him CANNONNNNNNNNN

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Mar 25 2013, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know people are speculating some temporary death for sakura, but all I'm saying is, just no, I mean we don't need it. There would be no point in killing sakura, I mean narutos role is to succeed, yeah it would be kinda cliche for naruto to always save sakura but still sakura saving naruto income way without dying could be her big moment to do something for him. Also I don't think we need another mass death like pain, we already got it with madras metor and the ten tails wood attack. Sakura will be alive in the end, I just think that for obitos rinse tensei the way it's used will result in the future battle, I mean a fight till the near losing point would be more epic, I think naruto and sasuke fighting a rebirthed Madara before he can gain perfect control over the ten tails would be epic.

Plus naruto turning obito to use his rinse tensi would kinda underplay stuff, I mean Nagato had reason to turn, i don't think we need another "it's not too late to turn back to good moment" and yeah it really would be sudden, we have that with Sasuke and itachi. Obito would be turning for the sole purpose of parallels to his old team which would kinda underplay things in my opinion, I mean part of Kakashi facing obito is him having to face a similar situation to naruto, only thing Kakashi can do is tell obito why he killed rin and it better nit be simply because if a misunderstanding, or "this is not what rin would want" and Kakashi could tell obito what rin thought of him after his sacrifice, yet this would be an asspull I sadly feel.

I'm just saying, for narusaku to happen, it can happen without overdone dramatic effects of her sacrificing herself for naruto and then being revived later, plus I think it's better if Kishi avoids this route because sakura would be temporarily or near death, I just think its best to avoid this because 1. Naruhina and anti sakura fans would be annoying more than usual, 2. When sakura revives yeah it will be funny to them, but they would complain "why not on neji, you revived the useless one?" And 3. It would make Kishi look weak, seriously we don't need extra drama in this end of the world point, I'd rather sakura survive, beaten up but survive. One thing is, sakura is ordinary, best example of a normal person who does better than most for being normal with no grand powers. Just cause she is ordinary she does not need to die.

Kishi is fond of sakura so this can grant her safety but kinda like how others close to other characters died like neji to hinata or shikamaru and inos fathers, this more or less served as shields for them to live. For sakura to live, tusnade can serve as this shield, plus ip she may die in the near future.

But beyond that, sakuras death or temporary death would not really be worth it, killing her for good ruins the story and underplays narutos character, his role is to succeed, this includes saving and getting with sakura, yes sakura can die for a short while and come back from the rinse tensi but this would also underplay Nagato, I'd rather obito die and revive Madara for an ultimate showdown. It's just I'd rather save so much grief, overdrama, and annoyance/ disappointment, I mean the majority if the fan base is too stupid to understand future speculation, they just assume things word for word.


There's no point in sakura dying, even for it to make narusaku canon for her to revive, it would be that moment for sakura to realize naruto managed to turn back death itself to revive and save her but it would come at a cost for obitos character.

Yeah obito will use the rinse tensi but then we miss out on a fully powered up madara fight, and it's an action serious drama second but still action first, I would not mind sakura fighting for a while but then she can be injured and leave stuff to naruto.

In short keep sakura alive, keeps things consistent and on track, we already have enough diversions in the manga right now due to the flashback, no idea what will happen, but enough trolling on kishis part, just keep sakura alive, it does ruin the story for her to permanently die and harms narutos character, if she gets revived, does ensure narusaku but pisses many off and I'd rather save that from both the annoyance of whe sakura dies and complaining when she revives, if naruto convinces obito, it does bring his character down, part of narutos obstacle as a character is dealing with those he cannot use talk no Justu on, seriously I'd rather him bear obito by force then obito pulls a revive on Madara. Talk no jutsu can only keep you interested for so long.

Plus sakura is a main character with too much development she cannot just die so Kishi can just let it go or fulfill her development, she needs to be present along with naruto when it comes to sakura, I believe sakura will live there's just no point in her dying for good or being revived.

We need it because Obito's redemption would be just a mere asspull.
With Pain Naruto lose a lot of people to understand his hatred, he lose Jiraiya, Kakashi and the village was destroyed.
With Obito just Neji's death is enough?
Does Neji was so close to Naruto as Rin was to Obito?
I'm saying is that if Sakura died and Naruto chose another route he would understand how Obito felt and Obito would see that he was wrong, Obito is entitled to his own opinion and does not even hear what Naruto has to say.
But i doubt it happen.
He's going for the asspull route.

Second does not use "cliche" as an excuse for something to not happen, Naruto is full of cliches and things copied from other shounens it's not an original work.

Third disagree, what would ruin the story is one of Naruto's friend dies and gets compared to a death of a love insterest and most treasured one, Obito loved Rin, he vowed to protect her, and also she was at his side supporting him, the same thing that Sakura did to Naruto, if she dies Naruto's beliefs would be placed on a dangerous situation just like Obito, Rin's death made him give up on his beliefs, the fact is what would happen if it happened with Naruto would he take the same route or choose a different path?
I dont see this as ruining the story, Naruto always went thought the pain of his opponents and redeemed them.

Looks way more a fanboysm text than a text full of arguments your text can simply be resumed with "I dont want Sakura to die even if it's temporary because i like her character too much" you said that her character would be ruined but presented 0 arguments why it would ruin the story, said that Naruto's character would be underplayed but doesnt tell why.
Now if Kishimoto wanted to make Obito's redemption with quality he should have to kill Sakura or at least make her heavily injured, this is enough, all the other villain Naruto knew their pain, Gaara, even Sasuke he complained that he didnt understand how Sasuke felt, Nagato.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:08 AM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 26 2013, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No it's just viz are known to be NH super bias. This was to be expected and TBH it shouldn't really bother us other then viz being bias as always. Has there been a pro NS front cover from them?? i don't think so.. dry.gif

I thinks Kishi had to put this kind of cover / add Ninata panels in the manga because probably pro-NH fanbase starting giving up on reading/buying manga. Plus it's the logical end to her character development.

I reckon that if Kishi will draw Naru & pregnant Sakura, NH and SS fans will say that she's become fat, lol. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:10 AM

QUOTE (Forlan @ Mar 26 2013, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thinks Kishi had to put this kind of cover / add Ninata panels in the manga because probably pro-NH fanbase starting giving up on reading/buying manga. Plus it's the logical end to her character development.


Kishi doesn't do the viz front covers???? doesn't viz do that??

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 26 2013, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi doesn't do the viz front covers???? doesn't viz do that??


what? you're a bit confused... It was Kishimoto who has drawn the volumes covers... That's the volume 64 japanese.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 26 2013, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what? you're a bit confused... It was Kishimoto who has drawn the volumes covers... That's the volume 64 japanese.


Oh.... Kishi is trolling us sad.gif sad.gif

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:22 AM

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:24 AM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 26 2013, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh.... Kishi is trolling us sad.gif sad.gif

Yep, he loves that. But cheer up, that doesn't mean anything. He's just feeding NH fans in order to sell manga / satisfy his publisher? wink.gif

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:26 AM

Always had a thought that Kashi will try to upset the least amout of fans, by making NH/SS canon. Thus only hurting NS fans. dry.gif

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:27 AM

This part was the climax of the volume, i dont know why this much of freaking out because of the cover there's no big deal on the handholding that kishimot drawn.
Showing the handholding with no romantic undetones from both of them and also on the background everyone with powerup was the climax of the volume there's nothing wrong with the cover.

What matters is the 616 where they got trolled hard and that colour page showing that Hinata hasnt became the heroine.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:28 AM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 26 2013, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Always had a thought that Kashi will try to upset the least amout of fans, by making NH/SS canon. Thus only hurting NS fans. dry.gif

And kitten up all the NS development?? I don't think so...
Most western fans support NH/SS but I heard that NS is much more popular in Japan.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:57 AM

lol it's funny see how NH fans are screaming..... Nothing new

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

QUOTE (Forlan @ Mar 26 2013, 08:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And kitten up all the NS development?? I don't think so...
Most western fans support NH/SS but I heard that NS is much more popular in Japan.

RTN proves the contrary and the fact that NS is more popular in Japan.

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 26 2013, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol it's funny see how NH fans are screaming..... Nothing new

And it's funny how this fandom cares at a point of giving ammunition for them to continue.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 26 2013, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
RTN proves the contrary and the fact that NS is more popular in Japan.


And it's funny how this fandom cares at a point of giving ammunition for them to continue.

Agree and next volume will have naruto sasuke and dead hokage.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:09 PM

yeah but just seeing like "It's over, NaruSaku is dead. No other pairing has had a cover like this." made my day...

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

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I feel bad for all of the NaruSaku fans over at Viz... they're getting hammered..... And most of the NH logic that they have to deal with is complete BS.

Funny how NH fans have already started trying to draw parralells from RTN even though they claim its NS fanservice. Here's and example:

"RtN is still pretty NH.
That Hinata is even more NH than ours - cause she enforces it herself.
It's just that her "Naruto" is a jerk (and ours was an idiot), not that she doesn't love him.
And since RtN is mostly a "mirror world", to have BOTH Hinatas love him, is kinda BIG.
Anyways, TOMORROW we all are gonna see SOMETHING (hopefully).
And I kinda "doubt" it will include Sakura doing something flashy OR kissing Naruto." (Koshej)

Seems very hypocritical if you ask me. dry.gif But i guess it only helps NS logic in the end.

Man..this is just...I cant....wot.gif too...much..hypocrisy.....

Whoa I cant believe people are in their 40's here *taps on wood* biggrin.gif well its good to hear that we have mature people here, but age doesn't really matter biggrin.gif in some cases that is....

@NS4life3g whoa your love story is awsome!!

I still didn't find true love...but that day'll come...after all we're still young!

So guys! I have a question for you guys:

When and IF naruto and sakura kiss, would you like it to be a forehead kiss, or an actual kiss? Me honestly, I'd prefer both, the forehead kiss I expect should be visible, but the actual kiss, I expect it to be covered up, like you know the usual kisses in shounen.And what made me winder if naruto and sakura'll kiss is cuz naruto felt sorry for the three tails for not kissing a girl and dying at a young age, which caused the guy to get mad and what-not, then kurama told naruto tjat he still didn't kiss a girl, So im seeing a kiss in thr near future biggrin.gif

What do you guys think of the matter?

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:20 PM

Seriously how many children will Naruto and Hinata have? wot.gif are they trolling or are they're been serious? Once again they're disregarding all the NS development done throughout the entire manga and just focusing on one chapter. If one panel of hand holding makes a pairing a canon then it's the worse way for making an official pairing. So forget all the development between Naruto and Sakura, all the interaction, all the parallels that are supporting said pairing, the movie written and directed by Kishimoto that supports the pairings bond nope. To make a pairing canon you take two characters that haven't seen each other in over 200 chapters and rarely say a word to each other and make them hold hands at the cost of sacrificing a good character. facepalm.png
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:27 PM

That "how many children will have Naruto and Hinata" was a joke of mine... But I wouldn't be surprised if they will do it really LOL

But they did ask really "If Naruto and Hianta will marry, how much powerful will their childrens?!" Just.... :/

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:29 PM

Now I gotta ask this question... then what was the kittenin' point of 616's CP??

See?? this is why I told you guys to not use 616's CP as "proof" in validating Sakura's existence in the story, just like how this Vol. cover can be used to "validate NH/Hinata as heroine". If we try to use 616's CP to validate Sakura's role as a heroine, then we come off as conflicting and hypocritical because if we want to use that as "proof", then we have to consider this vol. cover as considerable evidence as well for Hinata.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 26 2013, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I gotta ask this question... then what was the kittenin' point of 616's CP??

See?? this is why I told you guys to not use 616's CP as "proof" in validating Sakura's existence in the story, just like how this Vol. cover can be used to "validate NH/Hinata as heroine". If we try to use 616's CP to validate Sakura's role as a heroine, then we come off as conflicting and hypocritical because if we want to use that as "proof", then we have to consider this vol. cover as considerable evidence as well for Hinata.


yup you are right.

that's why i will wait for who will become rin of naruto, if it is hinata than i am done with this manga.

because we all know that obito will get talk no jutsu and the key or similiarity with naruto is romantic love with medic nin girl who at the same time love your rival/best friend.






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