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#1341 No WhereMan

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 04:42 PM

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Deus Ex: Human Revolution E3 Trailer!

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Out of all of the games I saw from the videos I checked out from my E3 coverage from my PSN (regular), this was probably the only one that peaked my interest the most.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 05:53 PM

To clarify the free games thing, it'll only be select PSN games & PS1 classics. The inFAMOUS Full game trial allows you to play the retail version of the game for one hour, you can even get trophies during the trial. However, once the trial is over, you'll have to buy the game to continue on.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 09:52 PM

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To clarify the free games thing, it'll only be select PSN games & PS1 classics. The inFAMOUS Full game trial allows you to play the retail version of the game for one hour, you can even get trophies during the trial. However, once the trial is over, you'll have to buy the game to continue on.

Okay, you see now *that* makes sense. Thanks for clarifying things happy.gif

So then PSN+ is really not much different from XBox Live.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 10:39 AM

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Okay, you see now *that* makes sense. Thanks for clarifying things happy.gif

So then PSN+ is really not much different from XBox Live.


It's still better because your getting DLC's and ported games for free. Where Xbox Live charges for almost virtually everything.

New 360 vs. Old comparison


Edit: It's now the "red eye of death" dry.gif


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Posted 21 June 2010 - 08:33 PM

Ouch.... Looks like "Your Xbox 360's dead, Dave...."

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 10:54 PM

The big dilemma: Wii or Xbox 360?? Advice plz~

 

 


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 02:25 AM

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The big dilemma: Wii or Xbox 360?? Advice plz~


Well it depends starting off, if you are a hardcore gamer (PS3, 360, and PC) or casual gamer (Wii). I like them both but Nintendo relies heavy on their first party core games: Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong, Metroid, and etc. Which i only still like from Nintendo that don't come out often. If you like Nintendo's third party games also then i guess you might enjoy playing the Wii more often.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:11 AM

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Nintendo's third party games


You mean Nintendo's shovelware? Honestly, most of that stuff doesn't even get quality control.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 10:06 AM

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Well it depends starting off, if you are a hardcore gamer (PS3, 360, and PC) or casual gamer (Wii).


Ugh. That "hardcore and casual" meme not only deserves a painful death but it never was true in first place, and people uses it for insulting and scorning each other.

Moreover, there are a ton of "hardcore" games in Wii nowadays.

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The big dilemma: Wii or Xbox 360?? Advice plz~


Sakura_1_, it depends on what kind of games you like:

If you like arcade-like, colourful games with cheerful atmospheres, they are more abundant on Wii (but there also are darker and bloodier games: Resident Evil IV, Manhunt, Madworld, No More Heroes...). If you like dark, "edgy", bloodier games with more emphasys on story than gameplay, they are more abundant in Xbox (but there also are colorful games: Viva Pinata, Mirror's Edge...).

If you like platforms, choose Wii. If you preffer FPS, sandbox and racing games,choose Xbox.

There are good RPG in both consoles, but right now there are more RPGs on Xbox: Wii has Super Paper Mario, several Tales of games, Final Fantasy Chronicles, Xenoblade, The Last Story... and Xbox has Bioshock, Fable 3, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy XIII, The Last Remnant...

If I remember correctly, the main (or flat-out good) Wii games are:

-Zelda Twilight Princess (adventure),
-Wii Sports (sports),
-Resident Evil 4 and several spin-offs (zombies),
-Super Mario Galaxy (platforms),
-Metroid Prime/Trilogy (first-person adventure),
-Super Paper Mario (RPG),
- Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (strategy/RPG),
- Batallion Wars (strategy),
- Zack and Wiki (puzzles/adventure),
- No More Heroes (adventure),
- Mario Kart Wii (arcade racing),
- Disaster: Day of Crisis (adventure),
- Tenchu IV (adventure/infiltration),
- Tatsunoko vs Capcom (fighting),
- Super Smash Bros Brawl (fighting),
- Fatal Frame IV (unfortunately, this game stayed in Japan),
- Wario Land Shake it! (platforms),
- Trauma Center (graphic adventure),
- Another Code (graphic adventure. IIRC, did you like the first game?),
- Madworld (beat'em up),
- Deadly Creatures (adventure. It is a tad weird, but it is original),
- Several Tales of games (RPG, obviously),
- Final Fantasy Christal Cronicles (RPG),
- Silent Hill: Origins (on-rails shooter),
- The Conduit (FPS),
- Dead Space Extraction (albeit there is an arguably better version in PS3, I think),
- Sin & Punishment 2 (shooter),
- Overlord (RPG),
- Monster Hunter Tri (adventure),
- New Super Mario Bros Wii,
- No More Heroes 2,
- The Last Story (RPG),
- Xenoblade (RPG),
- several Call of Duty games (FPS, obviously),
- Super Mario Galaxy 2,
- Red Steel 2 (FPS. It is way better than the first one),
- Zangeki no Reginleiv (adventure/fighting/RPG),
- Donkey Kong Country Returns (platforms),
- Kirby Epic Yarn (platforms),
- Epic Mickey (platforming,
- Zelda Skyward Sword (action RPG)...

Those are only the games I remember right now. I am going for my meory only, so maybe I have mispelt some names. Keep in mind some of them haven't yet been published or haven't left Japan.

As far as I know, the main, good Xbox360 games are:

- Halo 3 (FPS),
- GTA IV (sandbox),
- Bioshock 1 (RPG/FPS),
- Bioshock 2,
- Mass Effect 1 (RPG),
- Mass Effect 2,
- Gears of War 1 (FPS),
- Gears of War 2,
- Mirror's Edge (platforming),
- Fable 3 (RPG),
- Dead Red Redemption (sandbox),
- The Last Remnant (RPG),
- Street Fighter IV (fighting),
- Ninja Gaiden (beate'em up),
- Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (FPS)...

Those are the most representative I can think of right now. I know, I know, I have listed more Wii games than Xbox 360 games. That is because I know the Wii library better than the Xbox360's. Besides, I am pretty fed up with the "Wii has no good games/has only casual games" fallacy, so I tried recalling all good/great games I was able (and still I could have listed more games. And more Microsoft games, of course!).

Regardless, the final decision is yours and only yours. There are pleny good and even great in both consoles. Learn about each console's library and chooses the one fits better with your tastes. IMO, if you liked DS and Gameboy Advance, you will like Wii. But maybe you preffer Xbox360. What I know...

I hope I have helped you. Usually I stay out of online console wars because I find the fights and arguments infantile, but you asked advice.

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I like them both but Nintendo relies heavy on their first party core games:


That is because third parties have been mostly shunning its non-handheld consoles since the fifth generation of consoles (Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn and Playstation 1). They have no other choice.

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Nintendo's third party games


You mean Nintendo's shovelware? Honestly, most of that stuff doesn't even get quality control.


No, no. He meant Nintendo's third party games. Nintendo doesn't make shovelware.

Whatever you opine about Wii Sports, Wii Play, WiiFit... They ARE good games and they get properly tested and go through quality control. I don't own them because I am not interested in them, but they are quality-tested. Denying it would be extremely fanboyish.I don't like GTA, but I would never would tell it doesn't get quality control because it would be scurrilous and fanboyish.

You realize Carnival Games and the like are NOT Nintendo games but they are third part games, right?

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:00 PM

Thank you so very much! Your advice was really helpful! I will get Nintendo Wii. It suits me better than Xbox

 

 


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:59 PM

You are welcome. I hope you like (if you don't like I'll feel responsible sad.gif ).

By the way, another good Wii game is Oboro Muramasa (a 2-D platformer/beat'em up). And a friend of mine who is also a Wii owner and a Naruto fan has recommended to me Naruto Shippuden: Clash of Ninja Revolution III (action/fighting).

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE (Jenskott @ Jun 22 2010, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ugh. That "hardcore and casual" meme not only deserves a painful death but it never was true in first place, and people uses it for insulting and scorning each other.

Moreover, there are a ton of "hardcore" games in Wii nowadays.



No there's not, Nintendo has always supported the casual community the most, and will always do so. Majority of the hardcore games are on 360, PS3, and PC.

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Sakura_1_, it depends on what kind of games you like:

If you like arcade-like, colourful games with cheerful atmospheres, they are more abundant on Wii (but there also are darker and bloodier games: Resident Evil IV, Manhunt, Madworld, No More Heroes...). If you like dark, "edgy", bloodier games with more emphasys on story than gameplay, they are more abundant in Xbox (but there also are colorful games: Viva Pinata, Mirror's Edge...).

If you like platforms, choose Wii. If you prefer FPS, sandbox and racing games,choose Xbox.


Yeah Nintendo is still waiting on RE5 to get ported to it (oops I don't think it can handle the graphics), all consoles have platforms btw.

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-Zelda Twilight Princess (adventure),
-Wii Sports (sports),
-Resident Evil 4 and several spin-offs (zombies),
-Super Mario Galaxy (platforms),
-Metroid Prime/Trilogy (first-person adventure),
-Super Paper Mario (RPG),
- Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (strategy/RPG),
- Batallion Wars (strategy),
- Zack and Wiki (puzzles/adventure),
- No More Heroes (adventure),
- Mario Kart Wii (arcade racing),
- Disaster: Day of Crisis (adventure),
- Tenchu IV (adventure/infiltration),
- Tatsunoko vs Capcom (fighting),
- Super Smash Bros Brawl (fighting),
- Fatal Frame IV (unfortunately, this game stayed in Japan),
- Wario Land Shake it! (platforms),
- Trauma Center (graphic adventure),
- Another Code (graphic adventure. IIRC, did you like the first game?),
- Madworld (beat'em up),
- Deadly Creatures (adventure. It is a tad weird, but it is original),
- Several Tales of games (RPG, obviously),
- Final Fantasy Christal Cronicles (RPG),
- Silent Hill: Origins (on-rails shooter),
- The Conduit (FPS),
- Dead Space Extraction (albeit there is an arguably better version in PS3, I think),
- Sin & Punishment 2 (shooter),
- Overlord (RPG),
- Monster Hunter Tri (adventure),
- New Super Mario Bros Wii,
- No More Heroes 2,
- The Last Story (RPG),
- Xenoblade (RPG),
- several Call of Duty games (FPS, obviously),
- Super Mario Galaxy 2,
- Red Steel 2 (FPS. It is way better than the first one),
- Zangeki no Reginleiv (adventure/fighting/RPG),
- Donkey Kong Country Returns (platforms), (not out yet)
- Kirby Epic Yarn (platforms),
- Epic Mickey (platforming, (not out yet)
- Zelda Skyward Sword (action RPG)...(not out yet)




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Those are the most representative I can think of right now. I know, I know, I have listed more Wii games than Xbox 360 games. That is because I know the Wii library better than the Xbox360's. Besides, I am pretty fed up with the "Wii has no good games/has only casual games" fallacy, so I tried recalling all good/great games I was able (and still I could have listed more games. And more Microsoft games, of course!).


Again, it's not a fallacy when you looks at the majority of the hardcore games are on 360, PS3, and PC. I didn't deny Nintendo didn't have some hardcore games, I was going by majority.

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No, no. He meant Nintendo's third party games. Nintendo doesn't make shovelware.

Whatever you opine about Wii Sports, Wii Play, WiiFit... They ARE good games and they get properly tested and go through quality control. I don't own them because I am not interested in them, but they are quality-tested. Denying it would be extremely fanboyish.I don't like GTA, but I would never would tell it doesn't get quality control because it would be scurrilous and fanboyish.


No, you don't know Cloud like I do, he's being sarcastic about Nintendo period.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 22 June 2010 - 01:55 PM.


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 03:30 PM

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No there's not, Nintendo has always supported the casual community the most, and will always do so. Majority of the hardcore games are on 360, PS3, and PC.


No, Nintendo hasn't done such thing because there is no casual community.

Nintendo's strategy has been looking for new customers with new and different games (Nintendogs, Brain Training, Wii Sports, Wii Fit), then using bridge games (Mario Kart, Profesor Layton) to introduce them to more complex games (Zelda, Xenoblade). THAT is its strategy. They have been explaining it since 2004.

You can dislike it, but THAT is their strategy. Your "they have always supported the casual community and will always do so" is untrue and makes no sense. That isn't what they have been doing.

I'm sick and fed up with that "hardcore/casual" crap. Back in the last generation it hadn't been spawned yet: there were seasoned gamers and average gamers. Then some seasoned gamers (many of them weren't seasoned at all, but I digress) started calling themselves "hardcore" and calling average gamers "casual", using that word like a synonim with "stupid and/or ignorant". And then they started labeling games, consoles and even stores like "hardcore/casual". It is an elitist, dumb and downright arrogant behavior.

There no such a thing like hardcore games. That is an artificial definition, made up by elitist snobs, and it is always changing because the so-called hardcore uses is always twisting it around to include whatever games he/she likes.

Therefore, it is very easy for you claiming the majority of hardcore games are on those three platforms. You will change the definition in order to fit whatever games you want in it.

But let's tell there are hardcore games and the majority of them are in 360, Xbox and PC. So what? I don't give a damn about hardcore or casual games. I play games I like without putting labels on them. And the majority of games I like are on Nintendo platforms.

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Yeah Nintendo is still waiting on RE5 to get ported to it (oops I don't think it can handle the graphics), all consoles have platforms btw.


I don't know if I am explaining myself wrong or you aren't understanding me.

When I said "platforms are more abundant on Wii", I was talking about platforming games. You know, games such like Super Mario Bros, Sonic the Hedgehog, Bonk's Adventure, Castlevania... I am not sure what it is called properly in English. Platforming games is the right name?

And I didn't say there weren't platforming games in other consoles. I meant they are more abundant on Wii, so if she preffers that kind of games, she could preffer Wii. I guess I should have been more specific.

And what Resident Evil 5 has to do with this (I'll ignore your cheap and inmature shot)? It isn't a platforming game, as far as I know. It is a zombie game. Regardless, I am not a Resident Evil fan, so don't think I am waiting for it being ported (which Capcom could make if they feel inclined. They are porting Super Street Fight IV to 3DS and they claim the can't port RE% to Wii? Please). I don't give a damn about it.

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- Donkey Kong Country Returns (platforms), (not out yet)
- Kirby Epic Yarn (platforms),
- Epic Mickey (platforming, (not out yet)
- Zelda Skyward Sword (action RPG)...(not out yet)


I know that. I warned Sakura_1_ several of those games weren't out yet.

But they are coming out soon, and I thought she could be interested on them, so I included them on the list. What is the trouble?

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Again, it's not a fallacy when you looks at the majority of the hardcore games are on 360, PS3, and PC. I didn't deny Nintendo didn't have some hardcore games, I was going by majority.


It is a fallacy, not matter how much you move the goalposts.

I didn't specifically say you have claimed that in your former post. I said there're people says: "there is no good games on Wii". It is a fact several people says that. It is also a fact there are good games on Wii. Therefore, the sentence "There are no good games on Wii" is a fallacy.

And I have already replied that "the majority of hardcore games" crap.

Again, that statement wasn't led to you, specifically. I wasn't singling out or quoting you when I wrote that sentence. I was talking to Sakura _1_. I don't know why you think I did.

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No, you don't know Cloud like I do, he's being sarcastic about Nintendo period.


Sarcastic and completely wrong.

Now, maybe you don't realize, but this argument is pointless and stupid. It is pointless because Sakura_1_ made a question, it was answered, and she made her choice (if it was right or wrong, it is up to her). It is absurd keeping arguing about it. And it is stupid because console wars are stupid. I am sure you and I have better ways to spend our precious time than engaging on "I have Console A. You have console B. Whose bigger?" contests.

You preffer what consoles you own and their games. That is great. I preffer what consoles I own and my games. That is also great. Arguing about it or dissing other systems and their games (something I never did, unlike you. Stating "I don't like RE" and stating "You haven't RE5 and it won't come out for your console, bwahahahah!") is infantile. So let's stop this nosense because there is no reason to arguing.

Please.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 01:09 AM

I'm having trouble going to online in Red Dead Redemption, always has this huge loading time that stretches to infinity, anyone else has this problem?

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 01:19 AM

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]No, Nintendo hasn't done such thing because there is no casual community.

Nintendo's strategy has been looking for new customers with new and different games (Nintendogs, Brain Training, Wii Sports, Wii Fit), then using bridge games (Mario Kart, Profesor Layton) to introduce them to more complex games (Zelda, Xenoblade). THAT is its strategy. They have been explaining it since 2004.

You can dislike it, but THAT is their strategy. Your "they have always supported the casual community and will always do so" is untrue and makes no sense. That isn't what they have been doing.


It's okay though if that's what you believe and think Nintendo strategy is but I always see it as a mainly casual gaming market.

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I'm sick and fed up with that "hardcore/casual" crap. Back in the last generation it hadn't been spawned yet: there were seasoned gamers and average gamers. Then some seasoned gamers (many of them weren't seasoned at all, but I digress) started calling themselves "hardcore" and calling average gamers "casual", using that word like a synonym with "stupid and/or ignorant". And then they started labeling games, consoles and even stores like "hardcore/casual". It is an elitist, dumb and downright arrogant behavior.

There no such a thing like hardcore games. That is an artificial definition, made up by elitist snobs, and it is always changing because the so-called hardcore uses is always twisting it around to include whatever games he/she likes.

Therefore, it is very easy for you claiming the majority of hardcore games are on those three platforms. You will change the definition in order to fit whatever games you want in it.

But let's tell there are hardcore games and the majority of them are in 360, Xbox and PC. So what? I don't give a damn about hardcore or casual games. I play games I like without putting labels on them. And the majority of games I like are on Nintendo platforms.


But I can see the difference in hardcore games from PS3/360 to Wii. Trust me I remember complaining about it until Resident Evil franchise came along and others followed pursuit. Lol, so I guess I'm dumb and stupid then, I have a right to choose and classify games as I please and I'm not alone either. That's fine though if you don't care about the labeling of games and you shouldn't care if they are as well, at the end of the day you and me both are gonna see and play games as we like. XD



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I don't know if I am explaining myself wrong or you aren't understanding me.

When I said "platforms are more abundant on Wii", I was talking about platforming games. You know, games such like Super Mario Bros, Sonic the Hedgehog, Bonk's Adventure, Castlevania... I am not sure what it is called properly in English. Platforming games is the right name?

And I didn't say there weren't platforming games in other consoles. I meant they are more abundant on Wii, so if she prefers that kind of games, she could prefer Wii. I guess I should have been more specific.


So we both have our own opinions we were explaining to her except you were calling my judgment based on a meme.

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And what Resident Evil 5 has to do with this (I'll ignore your cheap and inmature shot)? It isn't a platforming game, as far as I know. It is a zombie game. Regardless, I am not a Resident Evil fan, so don't think I am waiting for it being ported (which Capcom could make if they feel inclined. They are porting Super Street Fight IV to 3DS and they claim the can't port RE5 to Wii? Please). I don't give a damn about it.


Most of RE4 for the Wii was ported from Gamecube with added features and a sexy Ada campaign.


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I know that. I warned Sakura_1_ several of those games weren't out yet.

But they are coming out soon, and I thought she could be interested on them, so I included them on the list. What is the trouble?


Lol, nothing at all.

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It is a fallacy, not matter how much you move the goalposts.

I didn't specifically say you have claimed that in your former post. I said there're people says: "there is no good games on Wii". It is a fact several people says that. It is also a fact there are good games on Wii. Therefore, the sentence "There are no good games on Wii" is a fallacy.

And I have already replied that "the majority of hardcore games" crap.

Again, that statement wasn't led to you, specifically. I wasn't singling out or quoting you when I wrote that sentence. I was talking to Sakura _1_. I don't know why you think I did.


It's not a fallacy, it's people's personal perspective.



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Sarcastic and completely wrong.

Now, maybe you don't realize, but this argument is pointless and stupid. It is pointless because Sakura_1_ made a question, it was answered, and she made her choice (if it was right or wrong, it is up to her). It is absurd keeping arguing about it. And it is stupid because console wars are stupid. I am sure you and I have better ways to spend our precious time than engaging on "I have Console A. You have console B. Whose bigger?" contests.

You prefer what consoles you own and their games. That is great. I prefer what consoles I own and my games. That is also great. Arguing about it or dissing other systems and their games (something I never did, unlike you. Stating "I don't like RE" and stating "You haven't RE5 and it won't come out for your console, bwahahahah!") is infantile. So let's stop this nosense because there is no reason to arguing.

Please.


Yes it is pointless but I acted when you quoted me again about my judgment based on a meme. Thanks for the jab. On a side note I do own the big three's consoles and I just love the Wii mainly for sequels/spin-offs of: Mario, Zelda, RE4, Donkey Kong, and upcoming GoldenEye remake that I enjoy playing.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 03:29 PM

Hey guys please stop arguing! My question was answered and there is no reason why you should fight about game consoles! Just calm down. Each one of the consoles has it advantages and drawbacks but this is not something we should argue about.

 

 


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It's okay though if that's what you believe and think Nintendo strategy is but I always see it as a mainly casual gaming market.


Uzumakikage, that isn't what I believe or I think. That is what Nintendo itself has said in numerous official statements.

I recommend you reading this article: Birdmen and the Casual Fallacy. It explains what the Nintendo's strategy is with quotes, analisys and facts.

Mind you, I don't agree with all what the guy says, and he tends to ranting in his blog posts, but his articles are well-thought and they show resources and investigation.

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But I can see the difference in hardcore games from PS3/360 to Wii.


Which difference? Nicer graphics? That is what makes a game hardcore? Then I guess NES, Genesis, PSX and PS2 had no hardcore games.

Bigger difficulty? There are several games on Wii harder than several games on Xbox360 or PS3, and there are several games on PS3/360 harder than several games on Wii. There isn't a definite pattern. By the way, a friend of mine found Golden Sun harder than Final Fantasy X (and he loves his PSX and PS2 and he has bought a Xbox360, so he isn't a rookie gamer). So you see, it would be a very subjective label.

More violence and sexual themes? Is that what makes a hardcore game? There are many Wii games with overabundance of blood and erotic moments. I tend to find that kind of games inmature (I still remember that Wii game where one girl slew zombies wearing nothing but underwear. Please).

A darker, more mature story? There are plenty Wii games with "darker" stories. And IMO, video games usually have no a good plot, but that isn't the issue here.

The kind of people plays them and how often they play and how much games they own? Back in the eghties, NES games were bought and played by kids, and they could only afford two or three games every year. Then I guess NES games aren't hardcore. I also know people who still plays Wii Sports every so often and Xbox360 owners who have barely played once the games they own. Like RE5 or MGS4. I guess RE5 or MGS4 isn't hardcore, then.

Then WHAT is the difference? What those games are Wii games?

Not matter how you see it, There isn't a specific, set-in-stone definition for "hardcore game". That is because it is a made-up term, and every person changes it in order to fit what he/she wants. Hence, it is a meaningless label and I don't give it credit whatsoever.

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Trust me I remember complaining about it until Resident Evil franchise came along and others followed pursuit. Lol, so I guess I'm dumb and stupid then,


Not one time I called you dumb and stupid. Not one single time.

I said that BEHAVIOUR is dumb and stupid. There is one difference.

I said that classification is used by elitist snobs in order to insult other people. I didn't say you were one of them or you used that classification with that purpose.

If I perceive something is wrong, I will point it out. It doesn't mean I am insulting someone else.

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I have a right to choose and classify games as I please and I'm not alone either.


I didn't say you had no right to choose to classify something. I said that "hardcore/casual game" classification is absurd.

And I am not alone with that opinion, either. Sharing the same opinion with a bunch of or the majority of people doesn't mean someone is right.

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That's fine though if you don't care about the labeling of games and you shouldn't care if they are as well, at the end of the day you and me both are gonna see and play games as we like. XD


You are right I shouldn't care about someone else's opinions. But I am tired and annoyed of finding that attitude everywhere, so I guess I am a bit touchy.

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So we both have our own opinions we were explaining to her except you were calling my judgment based on a meme.


Er... no. I said I hated that meme and I explained why. I didn't call your judgement out.

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Most of RE4 for the Wii was ported from Gamecube with added features and a sexy Ada campaign.


Perphas I am being dumb and obtuse, but I am afraid I don't follow. What has that to do with anything?

I stated if you liked platforming games, you could preffer Wii because there are more platforming games on Wii than on 360 (alright, those weren't my exact words, and maybe my inability for expressing myself correctly has created a misunderstanding, but that is what I meant). Then you stated: "Yes, Nintendo is still waiting for that RE5 port". I asked what RE5 had to do with platforming games. Then you stated RE4 was ported for Wii.

What RE5 not being a Wii game or RE4 being ported to Wii has to do with the number of platforming games on Wii or on other consoles?

Personally I don't care much for RE games. I purchased that RE1 port for my DS but I have barely touched it. I don't think I buy the newest 3DS remake, not matter how great its graphics seem being. I can't bring myself to feel thrilled by it. Maybe it is I don't like the genre. I don't know.

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Lol, nothing at all.


Then why did you say that?

Did you think I was trying artificially enlarging that list? That wasn't what I was trying doing.

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It's not a fallacy, it's people's personal perspective.


No, it isn't a matter of personal perspective. If you say 2+2=5 and I say you are wrong, it isn't a matter of personal perspective.

We have the next clause: "Wii has no good games".

Fact: Wii has good games.

If Wii has at least one good game, then the "Wii has no good games" clause is false. Therefore, it is a logical fallacy.

And it is a fanboyism-driven fallacy. Imagine you listen to someone telling: "PS3/Xbox360/PC has no good games". Would you think that sentence is right under that person's personal perspective or he/she is being a fanboy?

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Yes it is pointless but I acted when you quoted me again about my judgment based on a meme.


Again, that isn't what I did.

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Thanks for the jab.


Do you mean YOUR jab? Because I was pointing out you uttered one ("Yeah Nintendo is still waiting on RE5 to get ported to it (oops I don't think it can handle the graphics), all consoles have platforms btw"). You believed I was dissing out other consoles so you dissed out Wii.

Maybe it is my fault for not explaining myself wrong, but it didn't mean you needed being rude or uttering a comment you know was inmature.

Hmm... thinking about it, maybe I also am being rude. My apologies.

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On a side note I do own the big three's consoles and I just love the Wii mainly for sequels/spin-offs of: Mario, Zelda, RE4, Donkey Kong, and upcoming GoldenEye remake that I enjoy playing.


I am glad for you, and I hope you have much fun with the three consoles.

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Hey guys please stop arguing! My question was answered and there is no reason why you should fight about game consoles! Just calm down. Each one of the consoles has it advantages and drawbacks but this is not something we should argue about.


Thank you, Sakura. And you are right on all accounts. I knew I shouldn't have gone on the argument. That is because I don't use to peruse video games threads: I hate arguments, and unwillingly you always get dragged in them brefore you realize it, and then you don't know how stopping.

Uzumakikage, if you want keeping arguing, it is better you send me a PM. Truthfully I can't guarantee I will reply because I am tired of it, but so we will stop hijacking the thread.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 11:05 PM

You are welcome and I am happy that you are gonna stop the argument! biggrin.gif Thank you very much ^^ happy.gif

 

 


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Posted 24 June 2010 - 06:33 PM

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 06:38 PM

Whoa. New playstation? It seems to be awesome! With all those new consoles and platforms coming out I wish I had money to buy them ALL! SERIOUSLY, this new playstation must be really good

 

 





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